Re: [Fsf-friends] [fsug-tvm] Re: CPI(M) manifesto calls for promotion of Free and Open Source Software (FOSS)
2009/3/19 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS everlovingyouth@gmail.com:
"the Congress is left as the only major national party which is yet to formally take a position on FOSS." This is the reason for the doubt as the election here is between congress and CPM Clear that it is political. Otherwise which is the proof that congress is not using it any where?
I posted a Modified Version of Vinay's Mail.
We expect Congress will also Support Free Software and Open Standards and all parties will reach at a common position on supporting Free Software
A lot of positive steps are happened during UPA regime
1. Knowledge Commission report endorsing Free Software ( Now they have to take t to Policy) 2. 11th 5 year plan says FOSS is the only way to move forward to increase Computer penetration in india from 1% of population to 5 % percent 3. National Draft Policy on Open standards ( They have to Mandate it now)
Negative : Draft Patent manual that tried to introduce software patents that will have a serious negative impact on small and medium software enterprenures in the country
So it is the time for them to decide on taking credits of these positive moves happened on UPA regime by including the followups on their Manifesto.
A short Note(personal) on CPIM & BJPs Policies (lets talk negatives) we can congress also in this list after their manifesto
BJP's IT Vision Document seems to be from a techno-nationalist perspective. It envision citizen as a member of network society ( obliviously they will miss a lot of citizens who does not have the access ) which is under state surveillance. Access Question is not properly pointed in BJP's policy. it is more about access quality & infrastructure (ie middle class and upper class )
Also it omits Important issues of Privacy of citizen in digital spaces. It is talks about National ID cards (Biomentric? ) Cyber Warfare etc. It Also keeps silence about important issues like patents. But their adoption is very positive . It opens a dialogue space with BJP on Free Software Values. Now they seems to be only concerned about Digital security of the state & not about the citizen . Also there are critiques about practicality of the policy based on cost estimates
CPIM's manifesto is little more progressive for me compared to BJPs IT vision. It focuses extending the idea of Free software to other sectors like agriculture & Drug Discovery. But is silent about Open standards. The strong point against new Public Funded R & D Bill (which allows state patenting of Public Funded Research ) and against US & EU influences in Indian patent Office i also good.
So let hope All Political parties will have a healthy competition on Supporting Free Software. we can reach at a conclusion based on all Manifestos
Anivar
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Anivar Aravind anivar@movingrepublic.org wrote:
We expect Congress will also Support Free Software and Open Standards and all parties will reach at a common position on supporting Free Software
A lot of positive steps are happened during UPA regime
- Knowledge Commission report endorsing Free Software ( Now they have
to take t to Policy) 2. 11th 5 year plan says FOSS is the only way to move forward to increase Computer penetration in india from 1% of population to 5 % percent 3. National Draft Policy on Open standards ( They have to Mandate it now)
Negative : Draft Patent manual that tried to introduce software patents that will have a serious negative impact on small and medium software enterprenures in the country
See http://www.countercurrents.org/karun020109.htm The Information Technology (Amendment) Bill, 2006 passed by the Indian Parliament is a very negative thing.
“The Protection and Utilisation of Publicly Funded Intellectual Property Bill, 2008”.- the implications are far more serious ...esp for Research and Development in all sectors. See http://pd.cpim.org/2009/0222_pd/02222009_10.htm
Best
A. Mani
Just Noticed a bug in CPIM Manifesto
Following are some of the highlights of the policy -
- Promoting Free Software and other such new technologies, which are free from
monopoly ownership through copyrights or patents;
The problem on above statement is Free Software is based on Copyright.
Anivar
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Anivar Aravind anivar@movingrepublic.org wrote:
2009/3/19 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS everlovingyouth@gmail.com:
"the Congress is left as the only major national party which is yet to formally take a position on FOSS." This is the reason for the doubt as the election here is between congress and CPM Clear that it is political. Otherwise which is the proof that congress is not using it any where?
I posted a Modified Version of Vinay's Mail.
We expect Congress will also Support Free Software and Open Standards and all parties will reach at a common position on supporting Free Software
A lot of positive steps are happened during UPA regime
- Knowledge Commission report endorsing Free Software ( Now they have
to take t to Policy) 2. 11th 5 year plan says FOSS is the only way to move forward to increase Computer penetration in india from 1% of population to 5 % percent 3. National Draft Policy on Open standards ( They have to Mandate it now)
Negative : Draft Patent manual that tried to introduce software patents that will have a serious negative impact on small and medium software enterprenures in the country
So it is the time for them to decide on taking credits of these positive moves happened on UPA regime by including the followups on their Manifesto.
A short Note(personal) on CPIM & BJPs Policies (lets talk negatives) we can congress also in this list after their manifesto
BJP's IT Vision Document seems to be from a techno-nationalist perspective. It envision citizen as a member of network society ( obliviously they will miss a lot of citizens who does not have the access ) which is under state surveillance. Access Question is not properly pointed in BJP's policy. it is more about access quality & infrastructure (ie middle class and upper class )
Also it omits Important issues of Privacy of citizen in digital spaces. It is talks about National ID cards (Biomentric? ) Cyber Warfare etc. It Also keeps silence about important issues like patents. But their adoption is very positive . It opens a dialogue space with BJP on Free Software Values. Now they seems to be only concerned about Digital security of the state & not about the citizen . Also there are critiques about practicality of the policy based on cost estimates
CPIM's manifesto is little more progressive for me compared to BJPs IT vision. It focuses extending the idea of Free software to other sectors like agriculture & Drug Discovery. But is silent about Open standards. The strong point against new Public Funded R & D Bill (which allows state patenting of Public Funded Research ) and against US & EU influences in Indian patent Office i also good.
So let hope All Political parties will have a healthy competition on Supporting Free Software. we can reach at a conclusion based on all Manifestos
Anivar
Just Noticed a bug in CPIM Manifesto
Following are some of the highlights of the policy -
- Promoting Free Software and other such new technologies, which are free from
monopoly ownership through copyrights or patents;
The problem on above statement is Free Software is based on Copyright.
Copyright can be used for monopolistic purposes. The FS version of Copyright is Copyleft but anyway...
'Restrictive licenses and patents' is the apt term to carry the spirit of the clause. It is just a wish list bug :-).
With apologies for top posting
Anivar
On 3/20/09, Vikram Vincent vincentvikram@gmail.com wrote:
Just Noticed a bug in CPIM Manifesto
Following are some of the highlights of the policy -
- Promoting Free Software and other such new technologies, which are free
from monopoly ownership through copyrights or patents;
The problem on above statement is Free Software is based on Copyright.
Copyright can be used for monopolistic purposes. The FS version of Copyright is Copyleft but anyway... _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends@mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Anivar Aravind anivar@movingrepublic.org wrote:
Just Noticed a bug in CPIM Manifesto
Following are some of the highlights of the policy -
- Promoting Free Software and other such new technologies, which are free from
monopoly ownership through copyrights or patents;
The problem on above statement is Free Software is based on Copyright.
But there is no "monopoly ownership" through copyright or patents in case of Free Software. And how is "Monopoly ownership" of software gained, it is also through copyrights plus patents.
Bug description invalid, marking as invalid :-)
Anivar
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Anivar Aravind anivar@movingrepublic.org wrote:
2009/3/19 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS everlovingyouth@gmail.com:
"the Congress is left as the only major national party which is yet to formally take a position on FOSS." This is the reason for the doubt as the election here is between congress and CPM Clear that it is political. Otherwise which is the proof that congress is not using it any where?
I posted a Modified Version of Vinay's Mail.
We expect Congress will also Support Free Software and Open Standards and all parties will reach at a common position on supporting Free Software
A lot of positive steps are happened during UPA regime
- Knowledge Commission report endorsing Free Software ( Now they have
to take t to Policy) 2. 11th 5 year plan says FOSS is the only way to move forward to increase Computer penetration in india from 1% of population to 5 % percent 3. National Draft Policy on Open standards ( They have to Mandate it now)
Negative : Draft Patent manual that tried to introduce software patents that will have a serious negative impact on small and medium software enterprenures in the country
So it is the time for them to decide on taking credits of these positive moves happened on UPA regime by including the followups on their Manifesto.
A short Note(personal) on CPIM & BJPs Policies (lets talk negatives) we can congress also in this list after their manifesto
BJP's IT Vision Document seems to be from a techno-nationalist perspective. It envision citizen as a member of network society ( obliviously they will miss a lot of citizens who does not have the access ) which is under state surveillance. Access Question is not properly pointed in BJP's policy. it is more about access quality & infrastructure (ie middle class and upper class )
Also it omits Important issues of Privacy of citizen in digital spaces. It is talks about National ID cards (Biomentric? ) Cyber Warfare etc. It Also keeps silence about important issues like patents. But their adoption is very positive . It opens a dialogue space with BJP on Free Software Values. Now they seems to be only concerned about Digital security of the state & not about the citizen . Also there are critiques about practicality of the policy based on cost estimates
CPIM's manifesto is little more progressive for me compared to BJPs IT vision. It focuses extending the idea of Free software to other sectors like agriculture & Drug Discovery. But is silent about Open standards. The strong point against new Public Funded R & D Bill (which allows state patenting of Public Funded Research ) and against US & EU influences in Indian patent Office i also good.
So let hope All Political parties will have a healthy competition on Supporting Free Software. we can reach at a conclusion based on all Manifestos
Anivar
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