Dear Nagarjuna,
I sent both links to PJ of groklaw. Some Interesting Observations of Rob on the MS Response is online now http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20070709231317298&title=Newspick+OOXML+India%3A+Two+points&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=593316#c593367
Minutes of Meeting held on May 07, 2007, with comments http://www.odfalliance.in/files/2007-07-05%20Minutes%20with%20comments%20by%20Microsoft.pdf
Two beautiful points in MS response:
* OOXML does not have a large number of features but is "feature rich". "The statement was not that the size is due to the large number of features but “feature rich”. The size of the document is also due to the fact that it is a fully defined specification." (note, OOXML is incomplete, inconsistent, and lacks semantic, ie, it is a street directory without a map)
* 6000+4000 pages of OOXML specifications are needed because MS couldn't be bothered to ask Oasis to define spreadsheet formula's "As an example, which was cited in the meeting but has not been captured in the minutes, is the specification for implementing formulas in Spreadsheets which is not present in ODF. In this case what would spreadsheet formula specifications be considered as if not a point of standardization."
* In the Response to the Question by Dr. Nagarjuna, MS throws in another "Covenant not to sue", now with regard to the old binary office formats. Instead of giving a clear license to use the specifications, you are now still not allowed to use them. However, MS now promises not to sue you under some conditions, or maybe they will sue you under some other conditions. Just like OOXML. "It is to be noted that Microsoft has made the .doc, .xls, and .ppt binary file format specifications available under a royalty-free covenant not to sue to anyone who wishes to implement all or part of these specifications in their products."
~ Regards Anivar
On Wednesday 11 July 2007 09:20, Anivar Aravind wrote:
Dear Nagarjuna,
I sent both links to PJ of groklaw. Some Interesting Observations of Rob on the MS Response is online now http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=2007070923131729 8&title=Newspick+OOXML+India%3A+Two+points&type=article&order=&hideano nymous=0&pid=593316#c593367
Minutes of Meeting held on May 07, 2007, with comments http://www.odfalliance.in/files/2007-07-05%20Minutes%20with%20commen ts%20by%20Microsoft.pdf
These are quite old. There were a number of follow-up points discussed in the meeting, do we have data on which were actually followed up on and what the results were? Have any meetings (apart from the MS/BIS joint workshop) taken place?
Regards,
-- Raju
Raj Mathur wrote:
These are quite old. There were a number of follow-up points discussed in the meeting, do we have data on which were actually followed up on and what the results were? Have any meetings (apart from the MS/BIS joint workshop) taken place?
BIS formed a wordprocessing ML committee The documents so far is available at
See http://www.odfalliance.in/OOXML.html
I hope we can Raise the points listed at http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections
Anivar
Microsoft Office Open XML (MSOOXML) Formula definitions are maybe wrong. This essay debunk the myth that MSOOXML is superior to the Open Document Format (ODF) because it include a 324 page "Formula Definition".
http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/07/formula-for-failure.html
Some of those errors are quite stupid other are probably less of a problem, following is a demonstration on one function (ceiling)
http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2007/07/mathematically-.html
Rob says: here [1] MS repeats again the same affirmation: "Ecma 376 contains full documentation for spreadsheet formulas"
Yes, i know: Full documentation for Microsoft and ECMA = copy and paste of Excel formula Online Help
[1] http://www.odfalliance.in/files/Comments%20on%20Additional%20Points%20receiv... Page 4, item 9b)
retrieved from http://www.odfalliance.in/OOXML.html