20 Oct
2008
20 Oct
'08
9:34 a.m.
Existence of financial black-hole now confirmed, the discipline that
preached greed is now bent upon tasting the blood of its disciples -
practising the philosophy itself.
Most of those who invested in SEZs , particularly the IT/ITES ones are
well-poised to lose their deposits - not to mention about the plight
of those who took bigger risks off the Stock Markets. The giant
Titanic is sinking ... Economic theories are now failing the
discipline ... what a way to go !!
Smart City would be smarter for the ones who preferred to be out of
it. All other who burnt their fingers, can at least take solace that
through their sacrifice, they were able to prevent others.
My worry is this should be an occasion for the left parties to rejoice
on the streets - no one's to be seen; where are they ... Were they
capitalists wearing lamb's garbs ...
Free Software communities will continue to focus on people, overriding
corporates - why do we need them, when we can deliver it ourselves ...
Cheers, lets continue the celebrations .... with more freedom walks,
freedom races, freedom parties ....
CK Raju
20 Oct
20 Oct
9:46 a.m.
On Monday 20 Oct 2008, CK Raju wrote:
Existence of financial black-hole now confirmed, the
discipline that
preached greed is now bent upon tasting the blood of its disciples -
practising the philosophy itself.
[snip]
My worry is this should be an occasion for the left parties to
rejoice on the streets - no one's to be seen; where are they ... Were
they capitalists wearing lamb's garbs ...
Free Software communities will continue to focus on people,
overriding corporates - why do we need them, when we can deliver it
ourselves ...
Cheers, lets continue the celebrations .... with more freedom walks,
freedom races, freedom parties ....
Are you saying that free software is in some way associated with
communism, or anti-capitalist? If so, you are completely wrong IMNSHO.
And what are we celebrating anyway? People losing jobs and killing
themselves, children rendered homeless and hungry, economies
collapsing? Only a seriously twisted mind could be rejoicing cutting
off his nose to spite his own face.
Regards,
-- Raju
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9:57 a.m.
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Raj Mathur <raju(a)linux-delhi.org> wrote:
collapsing? Only a seriously twisted mind could be
rejoicing cutting
off his nose to spite his own face.
I knew you would be drawn in, Raju. Was re-expecting the "..hungry
stomach story of dog.." here !!
I am too busy, celebrating ....
Cheers,
CK Raju
10:01 a.m.
Raj Mathur <raju(a)linux-delhi.org> wrote:
Are you saying that free software is in some way
associated with
communism, or anti-capitalist? If so, you are completely wrong IMNSHO.
And what are we celebrating anyway? People losing jobs and killing
themselves, children rendered homeless and hungry, economies
collapsing? Only a seriously twisted mind could be rejoicing cutting
off his nose to spite his own face.
How do you pronouce schadenfreude? That seems to have become an
immensely useful word these days. ;-)
--
"the lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne."
-- Chaucer.
10:12 a.m.
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Sajith T S <sajith(a)gmail.com> wrote:
How do you pronouce schadenfreude? That seems to have
become an
immensely useful word these days. ;-)
Perhaps it should have been the usual practice with a minority group
earlier. Not anymore.
If confirmed, a major bloodshed that was in store is now avoided ...
I can't but rejoice...
CK Raju
10:23 a.m.
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Raj Mathur <raju(a)linux-delhi.org> wrote:
And what are we celebrating anyway? People losing...
Celebrating the way equality has been set in by the [stock] markets,
making rich people at par with the existing poor ones. Even Gods and
Governments failed to recognise such a possibility. Markets, to an
atheist like me, now appears as God.
BTW India is a socialist republic ... draw your own conclusions ...
I'm just drawing mine...
CK Raju
11:24 a.m.
On Monday 20 Oct 2008, CK Raju wrote:
This is a list for discussion of Free Software, not a vehicle for
promoting your communist, marxist, capitalist or socialist ideas.
Trying to associate free software with any of these ideologies is
completely incorrect IMO.
And if your post isn't trying to relate the role of ideology FOO in the
current economic situation with free software, may I suggest that you
take it to some other purely political mailing list?
I'd rather not have communist-indoctrined ideology spouted on this list.
I'd rather not have capitalist-centric intolerant ideology spouted
either. Let's talk about Free Software, or not at all.
Regards,
-- Raju
--
Raj Mathur raju(a)kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Raj Mathur
<raju(a)linux-delhi.org>
wrote:
And what are
we celebrating anyway? People losing...
Celebrating the way equality has been set in by the [stock] markets,
making rich people at par with the existing poor ones. Even Gods and
Governments failed to recognise such a possibility. Markets, to an
atheist like me, now appears as God.
BTW India is a socialist republic ... draw your own conclusions ...
I'm just drawing mine...
11:33 a.m.
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Raj Mathur <raju(a)linux-delhi.org> wrote:
I'd rather not have communist-indoctrined ideology
spouted on this list.
I'd rather not have capitalist-centric intolerant ideology spouted
either. Let's talk about Free Software, or not at all.
Free Software has no existence of its own - its not an autonomous
discipline - its principles are intricably linked to principles of
many other disciplines and philosophies. For someone to move with
least errors, there has to be a fair amount of exposure of some of the
basic principles of other disciplines.
I guess, for people who do want to discuss or listen, they still
retain their freedom to do so !! There's absolutely no compulsion to
respond. There's still a "/dev/null", to quote your old words ....
CK Raju
11:48 a.m.
On Monday 20 Oct 2008, CK Raju wrote:
What are ``least errors''? Who defines ``fair amount of exposure''?
What other ``disciplines'' must we familiarise ourselves with? Am I
not a good member of the Free Software community just because I don't
have a ``fair amount of exposure'' to these disciplines? Is there a
political test that people have to give before they start promoting,
using or developing free software? What is Linus' political ideology?
What is RMS' political ideology? What is the official stance of the
FSF on capitalism vs communism? Do they even HAVE an official stance?
Do they advise all comers to their web sites to read Das Kapital (or
alternatively, Wealth of Nations) before they (the users) understand
what Free Software is all about and start using it?
If you believe that Free Software is purely a communist (or capitalist)
ideology, please state so clearly so we can discuss that (that IS
related to free software, so I don't have compunctions about discussing
it here). Playing with words and vague generalities, on the other
hand, is meaningless just makes one appear pompous and ill-equipped to
carry on a debate.
Regards,
-- Raju
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Raj Mathur
<raju(a)linux-delhi.org>
wrote:
I'd rather
not have communist-indoctrined ideology spouted on this
list. I'd rather not have capitalist-centric intolerant ideology
spouted either. Let's talk about Free Software, or not at all.
Free Software has no existence of its own - its not an autonomous
discipline - its principles are intricably linked to principles of
many other disciplines and philosophies. For someone to move with
least errors, there has to be a fair amount of exposure of some of
the basic principles of other disciplines. 
12:18 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Raj Mathur <raju(a)linux-delhi.org> wrote:
What is RMS' political ideology? What is the
official stance of the
FSF on capitalism vs communism? Do they even HAVE an official stance?
"Why Don't You Move to Russia?"
In the United States, any advocate of other than the most extreme form of
laissez-faire selfishness has often heard this accusation. For example, it
is leveled against the supporters of a national health care system, such as
is found in all the other industrialized nations of the free world. It is
leveled against the advocates of public support for the arts, also universal
in advanced nations. The idea that citizens have any obligation to the
public good is identified in America with Communism. But how similar are
these ideas?
Communism as was practiced in the Soviet Union was a system of central
control where all activity was regimented, supposedly for the common good,
but actually for the sake of the members of the Communist party. And where
copying equipment was closely guarded to prevent illegal copying.
The American system of software copyright exercises central control over
distribution of a program, and guards copying equipment with automatic
copying-protection schemes to prevent illegal copying.
By contrast, I am working to build a system where people are free to decide
their own actions; in particular, free to help their neighbors, and free to
alter and improve the tools which they use in their daily lives. A system
based on voluntary cooperation and on decentralization.
Thus, if we are to judge views by their resemblance to Russian Communism, it
is the software owners who are the Communists.
From: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html
It also has a Tamil Translation:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.ta.html
:-)
--
Regards,
Sri Ramadoss M
10:38 a.m.
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Raj Mathur <raju(a)linux-delhi.org> wrote:
People losing jobs and killing themselves, children
rendered homeless
Where was such a concern earlier, Raj ? It was India Shining all the way ...
Trade and industries ministers were creating more and more
opportunities for violence in future ... they still keep doing it ...
whether they be from right wing or left wing ...
The current turmoil is certainly not the first set of such violent
stories. Ministers had to be forced to come out and help. Now, they
are doing it even without any one calling for help... as if
governments are for the market, of the market and by the market.
CK Raju
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