The mail archive for fsf-friends has partial text missing for my mail.
Refer the link below(the original mail is forwarded with this mail): http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2009-January/006182.html
The reply to which can be seen here: http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2009-January/006185.html
The reply-to-reply can be seen here: http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2009-January/006187.html
The mail in the _FIRST_ archive link has all text missing. This is also evident by comparing the three archive links.
I compose in plain text. List admins, why has this happened?
-justin
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: justin joseph justinjoseph007@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Comrades' new-found love with IT To: Anivar Aravind anivar.aravind@gmail.com Cc: haynes davis haynesdavis@gmail.com, fsf-friends fsf-friends@mm.gnu.org.in
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Anivar Aravind anivar.aravind@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:21 PM, haynes davis haynesdavis@gmail.com wrote:
right now non-cpim is a big vacuum regarding free software as far as political and government support is considered. Why our struggle does not seem to be productive in the other states and the central government?
And Left's adoption of Free Software Policy in Kerala is also a logical follow up of various actions & discussions initiated by Free Software Activists. Even the decision to adopt Free Software in IT@School was decided in an SCERT meeting (with the support of 85% of teachers) much before 2006 elections. But the govt came after election got the political advantage of this decision. and we are very happy about that because they are also helping FS movement by adopting new policies .
From http://blue-gnu.biz/content/fsf_india_039_s_impact_far_reaching
Answering to question "Can you tell me some of the key events that have brought FSF India to the present?"
Sasi Kumar _also_ said:
"This was supported by other organisations also, especially the Kerala School Teachers' Association and the then Opposition Leader (current Chief Minister) Mr. V.S. Achuthanandan. As a consequence of these pressures, the textbook was changed in the second year to include Free Software also. Eventually, the government decided to use exclusively Free Software in schools. Thus Kerala became the first state in the country (and possibly in the world) to use exclusively Free Software in schools."
Anivar, you are also talking binary. "Left" on one side and "Free Software activists" on other side. Are you saying that the _Kerala School Teachers Association_ (your (teachers)are entirely composed of free software activists and that V.S Achuthanandan was also a "free software activist"
Out of the four gains that Sasi kumar has mentioned in his answer, he gives credit to left parties directly in two.
The other being:
"The left parties, which are partners in the present coalition government, were sympatheric to our cause and expressed their views to the Minister. Eventually, the government decided to drop the provisions that were most harmful."
Sympathies of the left parties does not come out of charity or emotion. It comes out of ideological positions and understandings. If there is no understanding of these then at least do not try and play a disruptive force in the left - free software alliance by suggesting that left and free software activism of kerala are _totally_ mutually exclusive and that the only interconnection between them is through "follow up", "political advantage", "help" etc..
But when people are pushing Bush's binary logic of "Either you are with us or You are against us" (only-cpim positions and branding everything else as Anti-CPIM) we have to remind history.
It is better for the free software ecosystems that you stop playing its official historian. Report is a different thing and _history_ is a totally different thing.
http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2008-November/005850.html
Anyone can be with the left and still be a free software activist and their contribution and the contributions of their likes, you have no right to appropriate as you wish and write histories as you wish.
Anivar
Haynes.
-- Any responsible politician should be encouraging a home grown Free Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs. Learning Windows is like learning to eat every meal at McDonalds. _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends@mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:00 PM, justin joseph justinjoseph007@gmail.com wrote:
The mail archive for fsf-friends has partial text missing for my mail.
Refer the link below(the original mail is forwarded with this mail):
I can see that the forwarded mail too got truncated in archive :-(
http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2009-January/006182.html
The reply to which can be seen here: http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2009-January/006185.html
The reply-to-reply can be seen here: http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2009-January/006187.html
The mail in the _FIRST_ archive link has all text missing. This is also evident by comparing the three archive links.
I compose in plain text. List admins, why has this happened?
-justin
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: justin joseph justinjoseph007@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Comrades' new-found love with IT To: Anivar Aravind anivar.aravind@gmail.com Cc: haynes davis haynesdavis@gmail.com, fsf-friends fsf-friends@mm.gnu.org.in
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Anivar Aravind anivar.aravind@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:21 PM, haynes davis haynesdavis@gmail.com wrote:
right now non-cpim is a big vacuum regarding free software as far as political and government support is considered. Why our struggle does not seem to be productive in the other states and the central government?
And Left's adoption of Free Software Policy in Kerala is also a logical follow up of various actions & discussions initiated by Free Software Activists. Even the decision to adopt Free Software in IT@School was decided in an SCERT meeting (with the support of 85% of teachers) much before 2006 elections. But the govt came after election got the political advantage of this decision. and we are very happy about that because they are also helping FS movement by adopting new policies .
From http://blue-gnu.biz/content/fsf_india_039_s_impact_far_reaching
Answering to question "Can you tell me some of the key events that have brought FSF India to the present?"
Sasi Kumar _also_ said:
"This was supported by other organisations also, especially the Kerala School Teachers' Association and the then Opposition Leader (current Chief Minister) Mr. V.S. Achuthanandan. As a consequence of these pressures, the textbook was changed in the second year to include Free Software also. Eventually, the government decided to use exclusively Free Software in schools. Thus Kerala became the first state in the country (and possibly in the world) to use exclusively Free Software in schools."
Anivar, you are also talking binary. "Left" on one side and "Free Software activists" on other side. Are you saying that the _Kerala School Teachers Association_ (your (teachers)are entirely composed of free software activists and that V.S Achuthanandan was also a "free software activist"
Out of the four gains that Sasi kumar has mentioned in his answer, he gives credit to left parties directly in two.
The other being:
"The left parties, which are partners in the present coalition government, were sympatheric to our cause and expressed their views to the Minister. Eventually, the government decided to drop the provisions that were most harmful."
Sympathies of the left parties does not come out of charity or emotion. It comes out of ideological positions and understandings. If there is no understanding of these then at least do not try and play a disruptive force in the left - free software alliance by suggesting that left and free software activism of kerala are _totally_ mutually exclusive and that the only interconnection between them is through "follow up", "political advantage", "help" etc..
But when people are pushing Bush's binary logic of "Either you are with us or You are against us" (only-cpim positions and branding everything else as Anti-CPIM) we have to remind history.
It is better for the free software ecosystems that you stop playing its official historian. Report is a different thing and _history_ is a totally different thing.
http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2008-November/005850.html
Anyone can be with the left and still be a free software activist and their contribution and the contributions of their likes, you have no right to appropriate as you wish and write histories as you wish.
Anivar
Haynes.
-- Any responsible politician should be encouraging a home grown Free Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs. Learning Windows is like learning to eat every meal at McDonalds. _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends@mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends
Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends@mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends
Why are we still on mailman version 2.1.9
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:04 PM, justin joseph justinjoseph007@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:00 PM, justin joseph justinjoseph007@gmail.com wrote:
The mail archive for fsf-friends has partial text missing for my mail.
Refer the link below(the original mail is forwarded with this mail):
I can see that the forwarded mail too got truncated in archive :-(
http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2009-January/006182.html
The reply to which can be seen here: http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2009-January/006185.html
The reply-to-reply can be seen here: http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2009-January/006187.html
The mail in the _FIRST_ archive link has all text missing. This is also evident by comparing the three archive links.
I compose in plain text. List admins, why has this happened?
-justin
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: justin joseph justinjoseph007@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Comrades' new-found love with IT To: Anivar Aravind anivar.aravind@gmail.com Cc: haynes davis haynesdavis@gmail.com, fsf-friends fsf-friends@mm.gnu.org.in
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Anivar Aravind anivar.aravind@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:21 PM, haynes davis haynesdavis@gmail.com wrote:
right now non-cpim is a big vacuum regarding free software as far as political and government support is considered. Why our struggle does not seem to be productive in the other states and the central government?
And Left's adoption of Free Software Policy in Kerala is also a logical follow up of various actions & discussions initiated by Free Software Activists. Even the decision to adopt Free Software in IT@School was decided in an SCERT meeting (with the support of 85% of teachers) much before 2006 elections. But the govt came after election got the political advantage of this decision. and we are very happy about that because they are also helping FS movement by adopting new policies .
From http://blue-gnu.biz/content/fsf_india_039_s_impact_far_reaching
Answering to question "Can you tell me some of the key events that have brought FSF India to the present?"
Sasi Kumar _also_ said:
"This was supported by other organisations also, especially the Kerala School Teachers' Association and the then Opposition Leader (current Chief Minister) Mr. V.S. Achuthanandan. As a consequence of these pressures, the textbook was changed in the second year to include Free Software also. Eventually, the government decided to use exclusively Free Software in schools. Thus Kerala became the first state in the country (and possibly in the world) to use exclusively Free Software in schools."
Anivar, you are also talking binary. "Left" on one side and "Free Software activists" on other side. Are you saying that the _Kerala School Teachers Association_ (your (teachers)are entirely composed of free software activists and that V.S Achuthanandan was also a "free software activist"
Out of the four gains that Sasi kumar has mentioned in his answer, he gives credit to left parties directly in two.
The other being:
"The left parties, which are partners in the present coalition government, were sympatheric to our cause and expressed their views to the Minister. Eventually, the government decided to drop the provisions that were most harmful."
Sympathies of the left parties does not come out of charity or emotion. It comes out of ideological positions and understandings. If there is no understanding of these then at least do not try and play a disruptive force in the left - free software alliance by suggesting that left and free software activism of kerala are _totally_ mutually exclusive and that the only interconnection between them is through "follow up", "political advantage", "help" etc..
But when people are pushing Bush's binary logic of "Either you are with us or You are against us" (only-cpim positions and branding everything else as Anti-CPIM) we have to remind history.
It is better for the free software ecosystems that you stop playing its official historian. Report is a different thing and _history_ is a totally different thing.
http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2008-November/005850.html
Anyone can be with the left and still be a free software activist and their contribution and the contributions of their likes, you have no right to appropriate as you wish and write histories as you wish.
Anivar
Haynes.
-- Any responsible politician should be encouraging a home grown Free Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs. Learning Windows is like learning to eat every meal at McDonalds. _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends@mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends
Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends@mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends
2009/1/10 justin joseph justinjoseph007@gmail.com:
Why are we still on mailman version 2.1.9
So many complaints about archive. I think we should upgrade. Archives are a very important part of a mailing list.
-Praveen
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