I think this is an important thing that we have to take up. Can we send letters from FSUGs? I will also arrange to send a letter from FSF India. Let us take this up seriously. We need to suggest alternatives too. I understand that they teach Tally for Commerce students. We may not have a Free substitute for it. So, perhaps, we can suggest alternatives. Maybe we can suggest that things like video and sound editing be taught to students of humanities. Please come up with suggestions.
Best Sasi
2009/2/10 Renni P Mathunny rennipm@gmail.com:
Hello everyone,
I hope most of you are aware about the use of proprietary software in higher secondary classes following Kerala Government syllabus. (CBSE is no exception, they also suggest using proprietary software.)
It is very sad that the students, who have learned free software in high school classes are forced to learn/use proprietary software in higher secondary.
Can we begin a campaign for revising the Computer Science and Computer Application Syllabus of Higher Secondary classes – atleast to replace the proprietary softwares with equivalent Free Software tools? There is no doubt that the whole syllabus is to be revised. Outdated/obsolete tools/languages like Visual Basic 6.0 and ASP are still taught in Higher Secondary.
The software/tools to be learned by students in higher secondary courses, are listed below. There are three different streams in Computer/IT -- Computer Science for Science stream, Computer Applications for Commerce stream and Computer Application for Humanities stream. All of them are included in the following list.
- C++ (Turbo C++ is usually used as the IDE)
- SQL (MS-Access / Oracle / MS-SQL Server)
- Visual Basic (Visual Basic 6.0)
- HTML / DHTML / Scripting Languages (VBScript / JavaScript / Perl / CGI /
ASP / JSP) 5. MS-Office 6. DTP (Adobe Page Maker) 7. Text Editors
The syllabus did not mention anything about using Free software. But it suggests the different proprietary softwares that can be used.
Regards, Renni
Fsf-kerala mailing list Fsf-kerala@mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsf-kerala
On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Sasi Kumar wrote:
I think this is an important thing that we have to take up. Can we send letters from FSUGs? I will also arrange to send a letter from FSF India. Let us take this up seriously. We need to suggest alternatives too. I understand that they teach Tally for Commerce students. We may not have a Free substitute for it. So, perhaps, we can suggest alternatives. Maybe we can suggest that things like video and sound editing be taught to students of humanities. Please come up with suggestions.
Dear Sasi (Nardamuni) , it is very nice to have subscribed to a list where you are. I subscribed to this list to understand how Free Software - Free Knowledge is going on in India (since I'm from South-America and from Italy). (And specially Kerala since is apparently there where things are doing better). I want also to understand more the role of FSF-India in this topics. In South-America and in Europe we don't have good experiences with "our" FSFs, (considering we have them... :)
A suggestion: Will be interesting to have part of the FSF-India web-site dedicated to education deeply, with wiki and also a very extensive list of softwares for education. There are lots.
warm regards juan
Best Sasi
2009/2/10 Renni P Mathunny rennipm@gmail.com:
Hello everyone,
I hope most of you are aware about the use of proprietary software in higher secondary classes following Kerala Government syllabus. (CBSE is no exception, they also suggest using proprietary software.)
It is very sad that the students, who have learned free software in high school classes are forced to learn/use proprietary software in higher secondary.
Can we begin a campaign for revising the Computer Science and Computer Application Syllabus of Higher Secondary classes – atleast to replace the proprietary softwares with equivalent Free Software tools? There is no doubt that the whole syllabus is to be revised. Outdated/obsolete tools/languages like Visual Basic 6.0 and ASP are still taught in Higher Secondary.
The software/tools to be learned by students in higher secondary courses, are listed below. There are three different streams in Computer/IT -- Computer Science for Science stream, Computer Applications for Commerce stream and Computer Application for Humanities stream. All of them are included in the following list.
- C++ (Turbo C++ is usually used as the IDE)
- SQL (MS-Access / Oracle / MS-SQL Server)
- Visual Basic (Visual Basic 6.0)
- HTML / DHTML / Scripting Languages (VBScript / JavaScript / Perl / CGI
/ ASP / JSP) 5. MS-Office 6. DTP (Adobe Page Maker) 7. Text Editors
The syllabus did not mention anything about using Free software. But it suggests the different proprietary softwares that can be used.
Regards, Renni
Fsf-kerala mailing list Fsf-kerala@mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsf-kerala
hello all, look at http://gnukhata.gnulinux.in. GNUKhata is an under development free accounting software which is soon to be in its early beta.
While we are still fixing some things, interested people can checkout from http://gnukhata.gnulinux.in/subversion/gnukhata1 Generally speaking, the accounting modules will be pritty much stable by 22Nd. march and we can use this in march.
Right now inventory works pritty well and we are implementing a few important things like taxation which is missing.
happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 10:54 +0100, Juan Carlos Gentile Fagundez wrote:
On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Sasi Kumar wrote:
I think this is an important thing that we have to take up. Can we send letters from FSUGs? I will also arrange to send a letter from FSF India. Let us take this up seriously. We need to suggest alternatives too. I understand that they teach Tally for Commerce students. We may not have a Free substitute for it. So, perhaps, we can suggest alternatives. Maybe we can suggest that things like video and sound editing be taught to students of humanities. Please come up with suggestions.
Dear Sasi (Nardamuni) , it is very nice to have subscribed to a list where you are. I subscribed to this list to understand how Free Software - Free Knowledge is going on in India (since I'm from South-America and from Italy). (And specially Kerala since is apparently there where things are doing better). I want also to understand more the role of FSF-India in this topics. In South-America and in Europe we don't have good experiences with "our" FSFs, (considering we have them... :)
A suggestion: Will be interesting to have part of the FSF-India web-site dedicated to education deeply, with wiki and also a very extensive list of softwares for education. There are lots.
warm regards juan
Best Sasi
2009/2/10 Renni P Mathunny rennipm@gmail.com:
Hello everyone,
I hope most of you are aware about the use of proprietary software in higher secondary classes following Kerala Government syllabus. (CBSE is no exception, they also suggest using proprietary software.)
It is very sad that the students, who have learned free software in high school classes are forced to learn/use proprietary software in higher secondary.
Can we begin a campaign for revising the Computer Science and Computer Application Syllabus of Higher Secondary classes – atleast to replace the proprietary softwares with equivalent Free Software tools? There is no doubt that the whole syllabus is to be revised. Outdated/obsolete tools/languages like Visual Basic 6.0 and ASP are still taught in Higher Secondary.
The software/tools to be learned by students in higher secondary courses, are listed below. There are three different streams in Computer/IT -- Computer Science for Science stream, Computer Applications for Commerce stream and Computer Application for Humanities stream. All of them are included in the following list.
- C++ (Turbo C++ is usually used as the IDE)
- SQL (MS-Access / Oracle / MS-SQL Server)
- Visual Basic (Visual Basic 6.0)
- HTML / DHTML / Scripting Languages (VBScript / JavaScript / Perl / CGI
/ ASP / JSP) 5. MS-Office 6. DTP (Adobe Page Maker) 7. Text Editors
The syllabus did not mention anything about using Free software. But it suggests the different proprietary softwares that can be used.
Regards, Renni
Fsf-kerala mailing list Fsf-kerala@mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsf-kerala
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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 22:37, Krishnakant krmane@gmail.com wrote:
hello all, look at http://gnukhata.gnulinux.in. GNUKhata is an under development free accounting software which is soon to be in its early beta.
While we are still fixing some things, interested people can checkout from http://gnukhata.gnulinux.in/subversion/gnukhata1 Generally speaking, the accounting modules will be pritty much stable by 22Nd. march and we can use this in march.
Hi all, KK dunno if its possible or not if you can use trac or some UI like sourceforge, savannah or other code hosting repositories provide. It would just make things easier to know . Perhaps even a sort of vision document could be had on the same.
Right now inventory works pritty well and we are implementing a few important things like taxation which is missing.
this would be interesting to see/know.
Also stuff like what dependencies are needed and all. I'm sure there is a README somewhere which tells what stuff is needed to compile it and make it run but unable to see it a glance on http://gnukhata.gnulinux.in/svn/trunk/gnukhata/
happy hacking. Krishnakant.
Looking forward to know more.
On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 10:54 +0100, Juan Carlos Gentile Fagundez wrote:
I subscribed to this list to understand how Free Software - Free Knowledge is going on in India (since I'm from South-America and from Italy). (And specially Kerala since is apparently there where things are doing better).
Thank you, Juan, for joining the list. I am sure you will have some suggestions for popularising Free Software in this country. Free Software is not doing all that great in India, though there is some progress in parts of the country, and Kerala is one of them. But still there is much to be done. As you must have seen from the discussion here recently, we are trying to see how the Higher Secondary (classes 11 and 12) syllabus can be rid of proprietary software. And then we need to push Free Software into engineering and other courses.
I want also to understand more the role of FSF-India in this topics. In South-America and in Europe we don't have good experiences with "our" FSFs, (considering we have them... :)
Being a part of FSF India, I wouldn't attempt to judge our activities. But I will just mention two important areas where our efforts have succeeded, of course with help from many others. These are 1) preventing the introduction of software patents and 2) getting India to vote against Microsoft's attempt to get its OOXML format accepted as an ISO standard. I am sure that you will soon learn more from the discussions here.
A suggestion: Will be interesting to have part of the FSF-India web-site dedicated to education deeply, with wiki and also a very extensive list of softwares for education. There are lots.
I think this would be a good idea. Let me see what the other members of the Board say.
Regards
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Juan Carlos Gentile Fagundez -
Krishnakant -
Sasi Kumar -
shirish -
V. Sasi Kumar