Linuxers January 2003

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Re: Re: Happy New 2003.....plan for this year
by Gurpreet Singh 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 Trevor Warren wrote : > >Hello luggers, > good-morning. > > Greetings of the season and wishes of a prosperous new year >ahead to >all of you. > > I write this mail so as to invite suggestions on the events >for the >coming year....We ended last year with a bang and drowned in >the >gnu-linux waters at a linu lunacy trip. But this year we need to >have a >concrete plan on the following..... > >--> Workshops CS deptt at RIT has planned to arrange very specific talks this yr which will take up important topics one at a time. topics like networking, security, LAMP etc etc etc. we can have one expert come down and hold an intensive workshop instead of having too much in one go. >--> Gnu-Linux lunacy trips ahh i loved the first one and would be happier to see more participation in the next one... >--> Conferences >--> Competitions >--> National Level Paper Presentations >--> App Development Contests >--> FSF/OS Business plan Contests for all of the above, there is one perfect platform according to me. Linux Bombay 2003 as we had discussed extensively some time back! Very good thinking trevor! it was gr8 idea to be listing what we can actually do in this new year. regards Gurpreet >--> Corporate workshops > > These are some very ambitious ideas i have in mind. I would >like to use >this podium as an idea to proliferate them into your minds. > > Pls think about the same. We should move from being just >passive >members of this laid back society and make sure that a minimum >contribution from our end goes to the FSF/OS movement towards >furthering >its cause in our own spheres. > > Awaiting input from you on the same. > >Bye for now and have a great day. > >Trevor > > > > >On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 12:45, sachin rase wrote: > > May This year brings joy to everybody > > including bill and his stupXd will > > as i have got power of "ps" & "kill" > > the gnu takes us to new hill this is my will > > > > -- > > :) > > > > ===== > > +----------------------------+ > > |Touch the limits with Linux | > > +----------------------------+ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Linux India Initiative
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

On Saturday 04 January 2003 22:55, vinayak_hegde(a)softhome.net wrote: > **************************************** > * LUG meet on 12 Jan. 2003 @ VJTI > **************************************** > > > All American companies do "offshore developement" in > India. We build the software, they sell it, they make > the money. Why not get paid for own work? They make millions > and pass on measly thousands to us. All Those who say > they employ us are wrong. We can sustain ourselves, though > this approach is slightly unrealistic in today,s global > economy. Our domestic potential is HUGE. They depend on us, > not us on them to a very great extent. However we tend to > overlook this "obvious" fact. Could'nt agree more. And pray why is this unrealistic. We are less economically developed because of stupid government policies and monopolies. This has resulted in more than 70% of our tax revenues being frittered away in salaries and sops to sections with political clout. Further the issues of IPR and copyrights are cleverly used by developed countries to keep products out and immigration and labour laws to keep people out. Farm products are kept out in the name of environmental protection (while merrily dumping nuclear waste in africa). In plain words developed countries are more protected than the "protected" un developed countries. So the government must level the playing field by specifying Swantatra software in all government procurement. And we can start by refusing to use closed software (even Indian made). Using imported Swatantra software would not be a problem as it would benefit all those who care to study the source. > > "Swatantra" software will break these shackles by making > computers and software accessible to the common man on > the street. However I may hastily add this is just one of > the factors under consideration. Forward to the Brave new GNU world :-). jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux India Initiative
by jtdsouza＠softhome.net 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

On Friday 03 January 2003 21:34, Nikhil Karkera wrote: > **************************************** > * LUG meet on 12 Jan. 2003 @ VJTI > **************************************** > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 Nikhil Joshi wrote : > >Come on who are we kidding? > >Do these ppl really care (and why should they?) if theres Linux > >or GNU/Linux or whatever and what is the right (read purists) way > >of The shopowners and home users already use free (read pirated) > >software. While the step is very welcome it would be really good >> to see the lowest denominator using Linux apart from scientists,sarkari babus,geeks Wrong presumption that initial capital costs is the only cost. As usage increases, the costs for maintainence and security of data exceeds the initial capital cost by orders of magnitude (now u know why M$ is trying to change it's bussiness model). This is true for any user. The hassle of keeping out worms and preventing random crashes is what will turn the shop owner and home user to GNU/Linux. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] 'rm' command
by Amish Mehta 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Get into habit of using, rm -- * to be safe. -- indicated end of command line parameters. Amish. benos(a)hotpop.com wrote: >[edp@edp0 test]$ rm * >removing `bios.txt' >removing all entries of directory `test' >removing the directory itself: `test' >[edp@edp0 test]$ > >its removed the directory itself by taking the option '-rvf'. >except file '-rvf'.

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Re: who are we kidding - GNU/Linux replacing Windows
by linuxers＠nasirshaikh.mailshell.com 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

> > From: jtdsouza(a)softhome.net To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: > Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux India Initiative Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 22:54:26 > -0700 Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > On Friday 03 January 2003 21:34, Nikhil Karkera wrote: > >> **************************************** * LUG meet on 12 Jan. 2003 >> @ VJTI **************************************** >> >> On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 Nikhil Joshi wrote : >> >>> Come on who are we kidding? Do these ppl really care (and why >>> should they?) if theres Linux or GNU/Linux or whatever and what >>> is the right (read purists) way of The shopowners and home users >>> already use free (read pirated) software. While the step is very >>> welcome it would be really good >> to see the lowest denominator >>> using Linux apart from scientists,sarkari babus,geeks > > > Wrong presumption that initial capital costs is the only cost. As > usage increases, the costs for maintainence and security of data > exceeds the initial capital cost by orders of magnitude (now u know > why M$ is trying to change it's bussiness model). This is true for > any user. The hassle of keeping out worms and preventing random > crashes is what will turn the shop owner and home user to GNU/Linux. > > > rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net While encouraging home users to switch to Linux we have to also remember that they may be owning non-compatible hardware like winmodems, printers, scanners, digital cameras and the like which will make things extremely difficult for them to agree to replace a working system for another which results in more expense. Almost all Linux distros out-of-the-box would not work for many and they would not have the skills / patience to learn manual configuring etc to make most of these hardwares work in Linux. Of course we also know that most home users are using pirated softwares which did not cost anything and the only cost incurred by them is for the hardware. So would they throw away their old hardware which is still good enough to work for another 5-10 years. I believe that home users have no other costs except the initial hardware cost and it is not sounding convicing enough that their operating costs or TCO would make enough difference to switch an OS. Floppies / CDs are sufficient to back up all the important data for home users and most would not understand what the fuss is all about even if they are habituated to rebooting their systems 3 times in a day. Keep in mind that most such home users do not keep their systems on for any longer than they actually use it. So uptime and stability remain just irrelevant words. Worms , viruses, firewalls, antivirus software, reboot, BSOD etc are perfectly normal words in home users lexicons but Apt-get, root, privileges, sources, /dev/hda, mount etc are not. So even though we are looking at a superior OS and other applications, it still needs a little more finishing touches to get the whole package ready for everyone's use. Let's help by evangelizing a little more and get atleast one acquaintance interested enough to switch to a dual boot first (hardware permitting). A little emphasis on taking the high moral ground and refusing to use pirated softwares when legal alternatives exist, would be a nice approach with someone who has a sense of wrong and right. Even a switch to OSS alternatives on Windows (OpenOffice.org and Mozilla) as a first step would be a nice way to show off the capabilities of the alternative system. Nasir

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Linux Hard Disk Duplication
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Hi Is there any way to duplicate a Linux OS with file systems to another hard disk? I mean Norton Ghost type utility is needed to transfer 17 GB SCSI hard disk image to 32 GB SCSI hard disk in order to come out disk space problem and old disk replacement.

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[OT]-PHP Freelance Developer wanted - urgent
by Kapil Karekar 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Hi Luggers !! Happy new year to you all :-)) I need a good PHP developer who will work on a freelance basis. This is a very urgent requirement. The pay will be good :-) The programmer should have experience working on e-commerce projects. He should know how to use html templates(PHPLib) and payment systems like payflow, authorize.net,etc. Interested guys send me your details viz. projects worked on, skill sets, contact details. This is urgent !! I am looking for long-term relationship. Cheers Kapil Karekar Libre Technologies kapil(a)libretech.com kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net 091-022-28677305 ---------------------------------------- Let us build a Free Software Economy ----------------------------------------

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starting X probs in debian
by Gurpreet Singh 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

hi friends i recenlty installed debian woody 3.0 but the X wotn start the error i get is "no screens found" or something like that. plz help debianers. i used xf86config program to edit the configuration file. regards Gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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[OT] PHP Freelance Developers - Urgent.
by Kapil Karekar 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Hello Luggers !! I need freelance PHP developers to work with me on a project-to-project basis. The pay will be good :-) The programmer should have some experience on building database driven e-commerce sites using PHP/MySQL/PostgreSQL. The programmer should have good knowledge of using libraries like PHPLib, GD library, etc. Please respond with your proper skillsets, contact information and the list of projects that you have done. I will also compile the information sent by all of you and put it on the LUG site so that it can be accessed by anyone who needs freelance PHP programmers. This is urgent. Have a good new year, Kapil Karekar Libre Technologies ---------------------------------------- Let us build a Free Software Economy ----------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sendmail problem
by Amish Mehta 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

You can use user relay(LUSER_RELAY) feature of sendmail. See sendmail documentation. You might have to recreate cf file. Amish. Bilal Ahmed Mazhar wrote: > I want a message to any user not exists in /etc/passwd should be > considered external message and to be sent to goldenswan.com mail > server. Help me to solve this problem.

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Linuxers January 2003