On 14-May-2017 12:51, "J T Dsouza" jtd1959@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Raghavendra Kamath < raghavendr.raghu@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everybody,

Now that we are having the meetings on every second Saturday. I think we should have a central place to post updates, announcements pictures recorded sessions etc for archiving purpose and also for convenience of others in the group.

Creating a site is welcome. Maintaining it is a pain. Nonetheless go ahead.

Hey guys,

Hope you all had a great meeting, and that you remembered to take video s of the talks even.

Regarding the website, I guess I can volunteer to host and manage the site for now. We could keep it simple and make it a normal static site, but since I can only spare a couple of hours a week to update it, it'll be better if it's on a CMS so others can share in the workload.

What say you all to either a normal or drupal based site? Can have a skeleton site put together tonight and see how it goes...

Regards Rajeev

Do we have a website? I searched but I couldn't find it. I think we have the domain http://ilug-bom.org.in/ which has a note pointing to the mailing list.

What do you guys think about creating a website? It can be static, generated via Jekyll or pelican.

Rushabh had an idea of hosting from GitHub pages, I think it is good idea if hosting space is a problem.

In my opinion having a website will surely help newcomers, to know what kind activities happen in the group, before they subscribe to the mailing list. I also noticed that there is a twitter handle - @ilugbom, although it seems dormant now. Do we know who has the access to this account? It will be nice if we can tweet the recent happenings in the group such as the PIL by Mr. Milind

What do you guys think?

-- Raghavendra Kamath Illustrator raghukamath.com -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

-- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

I think static website on GitHub with a pelican (or any other static site generator) would be better.

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 4:50 PM, beta tester khanolkardilip@gmail.com wrote:

A normal website would be much better.

Regards, Dilip Khanolkar +919833018122

On 14-May-2017 4:00 PM, "Rajeev R. K." rajeevrk@gmail.com wrote:

On 14-May-2017 12:51, "J T Dsouza" jtd1959@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Raghavendra Kamath < raghavendr.raghu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi everybody,

Now that we are having the meetings on every second Saturday. I think we should have a central place to post updates, announcements pictures recorded sessions etc for archiving purpose and also for convenience of others in the group.

Creating a site is welcome. Maintaining it is a pain. Nonetheless go ahead.

Hey guys,

Hope you all had a great meeting, and that you remembered to take video s of the talks even.

Regarding the website, I guess I can volunteer to host and manage the site for now. We could keep it simple and make it a normal static site, but since I can only spare a couple of hours a week to update it, it'll be better if it's on a CMS so others can share in the workload.

What say you all to either a normal or drupal based site? Can have a skeleton site put together tonight and see how it goes...

Regards Rajeev

...

Do we have a website? I searched but I couldn't find it. I think we have the domain http://ilug-bom.org.in/ which has a note pointing to the mailing list.

What do you guys think about creating a website? It can be static, generated via Jekyll or pelican.

Rushabh had an idea of hosting from GitHub pages, I think it is good idea if hosting space is a problem.

In my opinion having a website will surely help newcomers, to know what kind activities happen in the group, before they subscribe to the mailing list. I also noticed that there is a twitter handle - @ilugbom, although it seems dormant now. Do we know who has the access to this account? It will be nice if we can tweet the recent happenings in the group such as the PIL by Mr. Milind

What do you guys think?

-- Raghavendra Kamath Illustrator raghukamath.com -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

-- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

Hi

On 2017 May 15 12:33:59, Rahul Upakare wrote:

How about installing a wiki software? It allows anyone to contribute/maintain the content and encourages the philosophy we all care about.

While it is true that wiki software (media wiki etc) allows anyone with account to edit the pages, in my opinion, it will be a bit overkill just for posting updates. And also wiki will be missfit for the job, aesthetically and may not be that user friendly.

Meanwhile anyone with a github account can contribute to the website if we are going in github route. also having statically generated website means portability of the content, you just have to copy static html files when moving servers, It just needs a server with apache or nginx, no need of php, mysql etc. while mediawiki and other cms need additional packages and database management and maintenance is something that I think we are avoiding.

Another plus point with statically generated website on github (or any other repository, gitlab too has pages support) is that if the volunteer maintaining the website somehow is not available or gets busy with life, someone else can fork it and continue to maintain it easily.

Hi all, I like the GitHub approach too. I have a question. Does this approach preclude use of front-end frameworks in the website?

Thanks, Mohan S Nayaka

On 04-Jun-2017 11:05 AM, "Raghavendra Kamath" raghavendr.raghu@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Everyone,

On 2017 May 15 12:57:18, Raghavendra Kamath wrote:

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Hi

On 2017 May 15 12:33:59, Rahul Upakare wrote:

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How about installing a wiki software? It allows anyone to contribute/maintain the content and encourages the philosophy we all

care

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about.

While it is true that wiki software (media wiki etc) allows anyone with

account to edit the pages,

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in my opinion, it will be a bit overkill just for posting updates. And also wiki will be missfit for the job, aesthetically and may not be

that user friendly.

...

Meanwhile anyone with a github account can contribute to the website if

we are going in github route.

...

also having statically generated website means portability of the

content, you just have to copy static html files when moving servers, It just needs a server with apache or nginx, no need of php, mysql etc.

...

while mediawiki and other cms need additional packages and database

management and maintenance is something that I think we are avoiding.

...

Another plus point with statically generated website on github (or any

other repository, gitlab too has pages support) is that if the volunteer maintaining the website somehow is not available or gets busy with life,

...

someone else can fork it and continue to maintain it easily.

Is there any consensus within the group regarding this matter? Anyone has any suggestion on this?

While looking at the discussion and suggestions made until now. Static website with GitHub or gitlab pages has more support.

Anyone has access to the domain "www.ilug-bom.org.in", Can we link it to the new website when me make it?

Thank you

-- Raghavendra Kamath Illustrator raghukamath.com -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

Hi Praveen

On 2017 Jun 04 18:28:17, Pirate Praveen wrote:

I recommend gitlab pages to github pages as the latter relies on a proprietary service and single company. In case of gitlab, we can have our own gitlab instances like git.fosscommunty.in (it runs on an older version of gitlab so it does not support pages at the moment, but when we update it to a newer version we can have it there as well).

Yes gitlab would be more apt. I concur.

If this domain is not available, you can use bom.ilug.org.in as well.

Who owns this one? How can we get access to this? I see that it shows gitlab's 404 page.

There is already alpy.ilug.org.in (maintaining multiple domains also became painful so now we use sub domains). See fsug.in for a lits of user groups in India.

One a sidenote, it is nice to see that the about section in alpy.ilu.org.in uses one of my illustrations of gnu :D.

You can get my other wallpapers in this repo -> https://gitlab.com/raghukamath/wallpaper-for-linux Not a lot of content yet but I plan to add more in future.

Thanks

On 06/05/2017 10:35 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote:

On 2017, ജൂൺ 4 6:49:23 PM IST, Raghavendra Kamath raghavendr.raghu@gmail.com wrote:

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Who owns this one? How can we get access to this? I see that it shows gitlab's 404 page.

That's because there is no such sub domain right now and ilug.org.in is pointing to gitlab pages.

It is managed by community (fosscommunity.in, https://matrix.to/#/#fsci:matrix.org), I have access (others too).

That gives me an idea to create a matrix room for ilug-bom as well.

https://matrix.to/#/#ilug-bom:matrix.org

You can install riot app from riot.im. diasp.in accounts work as matrix accounts too. disroot.org also offers matrix accounts.

You can think of it as IRC with a built-in bouncer. It has bridges to irc, slack and telegram.

It uses same protocol as Signal for end to end encryption (including groups). Has voice and video too.

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One a sidenote, it is nice to see that the about section in alpy.ilu.org.in uses one of my illustrations of gnu :D.

You can get my other wallpapers in this repo -> https://gitlab.com/raghukamath/wallpaper-for-linux Not a lot of content yet but I plan to add more in future.

Thanks

Its indeed a small world :D

I would also suggest gitlab over github.

On 2017 Jun 05 15:42:48, Joe Steeve wrote:

IMO, a static website, generated using pelican or similar is the way to go.

Yes pelican can be used to generate static website and gitlab pages can be used to host it.

In terms of contents on the website I think they can fall under these categories:

* Home: Shows latest news & activities related to the group e.g. the recent install fest in St. Mary's * Mailing list: A brief information about the mailing list and instructions to help newcomers to join the list. * About: A brief introduction about the group, may be history or past activities (Need help on this). * Schedule: A schedule of forthcoming meet or event (hackathon, install fests), may be name and description the event for example name of speakers and brief introduction about the talk.

In my opinion we can also have a contact email, and have a message saying something like "Want us to help you in switching your school's software to libre software, drop us a line" (I am not a copywriter, so anyone more knowledgeable can frame the call to action here)

What do you guys think of this? Do we need more sections. Am I missing something?

If anybody is interested in creating the copy or any other content , or even help with designing, then they are most welcome. I will try to find some time and try to come up with a simple design.

thank you

First cut - http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/

Its based on Jekyll and not hosted on GitLab pages yet. Pagination on /events is broken. Will fix that and push to GitLab, so that real events may be added by the communuty.

Anurag

Hello Raghavendra,

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Raghavendra Kamath < raghavendr.raghu@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Anurag,

On 2017 Jun 06 03:00:20, Anurag wrote:

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First cut - http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/

Its based on Jekyll and not hosted on GitLab pages yet. Pagination on /events is broken. Will fix that and push to GitLab, so that real events may be added by the communuty.

Wow, Thanks for the initiative.

May I ask the link for the repo.

Repo: https://gitlab.com/ilug-bom/www.ilug-bom.org.in

Also about the structure I had some inputs, I'll repeat my earlier mail here, Let me know what do you think.

Thanks, I tried to follow those ideas whereever I could and made sense to me. But, this is the jekyll skeleton I had in mind.

If anyone is interested in maintaining the static website further, please create a gitlab account and send a request to join this group --> https://gitlab.com/ilug-bom . The site is still running off a vm, and I'd go ahead with tweaking the DNS to redirect to GitLab pages next.

Anurag

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Rahul Upakare rahulu@gmail.com wrote:

I think it is a control vs. simplicity paradox. If we want a user interface which anybody knows how to use, it has to be simple like wiki. Anyone can contribute/update/edit/produce/maintain the content. There is no need for a separate maintainer for content.

On the other hand, the github pages approach is not for everyone. It may be simple for sophisticated/power users, but definitely not straight forward for everyone. IMHO, sending, approving, and merging PR requests is to much to ask for if change is very small (like, sentence/spelling correction or small additions).

In short, if priority is to have few people control/approve the website content, then github pages is no doubt a good option, but if we want everyone/anyone to contribute, would suggest to go for some simpler options.

That was not my intention. Sorry if it came across as that.

What I was alluding to was that maintaining a dynamic site is time-consuming. In case of a wiki, applying security updates and moderating the wiki for spam is a time sink. I say this because we did have a MediaWiki install at one point, with a steady inflow of spam.

OTOH, maintaining a static website via GitHub is much easier than what you suggest. For a project member, it takes just 2 clicks to edit a file and commit, right from the browser, without leaving github.com.

Anurag