On Friday 01 August 2003 15:31, ramesh thatha wrote: Xwindows is gross overkill for such projects. Microwindows being developed for handheld and such others may be better. http://microwindows.censoft.com/ However one should have a very clear definition of the project goal else it will swiftly deteriorate into one more unusable tech toy. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

On Saturday 02 August 2003 23:12, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote: plain-vanilla goal above. a them A general purpose client ends up as a bad compromise between portability, usability, power consumption and costs. A case in point is the simputer. At a retail price of Rs. 15K it is most certainly too much for too little. Devices for field personnel end up with data entry problems. Try using a PDA - with its nano sized, pico illuminated, virtually vanishing keyboard - in a crowded kalbadevi wholesale shop. Voice input devices require too much processing power. A digital voice recorder which can download the stored .ogg file into a backend server for voice recognition and processing is a far cheaper and better alternative. Infact u already have them - cellphones. Designing a general purpose reconfigurable cell phone may be a much better idea. It will have a huge market and be commercially viable. Most of them have some avtar of arm processor, about 2MB of flash and 2MB of ram. And do nothing (apart from draining the battery) when you are not yakking. Java phones hitting the market are such devices. Only problem is that they run some jerks version of os and software, and requires third rate SDKs to reinvent perfectly usable existing applications. A linux cellphone will put real people in command. rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net

i think we don't need any special tools to have our own embedded linux... I did from scratch... without xwindows (microwindows)..... i am able made it in 4.5 MB, this size is because i used glibc ..... if u use uclibc you can reduce size to 1 MB or even less... in my system http server, telnet server are there... there is no hard disk in my system, i had only flash disk.... this embedded linux i designed for my project... i think it is not a difficult task to include microwindows in that type system.... why i am stressing to come scratch is we will total control on the system (i.e we know everything about our system) and one more thing to sameer.... when u r shifting from hard disk to flash disk.... you need to consider few things like..... flash disk has limited number of write cycles... , but some daemons in linux box will continuously creates log files ... you cannot store those log files in flash disk... you have to redirect them to somewhere.... --- "J. T. D'souza" <jtdsouza(a)SoftHome.net> wrote: __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

D'souza, thanks for your reply........and also special thanks to ur language.....But I had one fundamental doubt regarding last point..... applications has life cycle more than 2 years... I am not designing toys.... so u r saying that ...... life cycle is only 2 years... two years what ever you r saying is very less.... suppose if am using flash disk in my industrial control system... I need to change it every two years... Because of your design (according to u it is good ),,, suppose I am using around 50 industrial controllers at my work place..... I need to replace 50 flash disk every 2 years...... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com