Hi,
CDAC Mumbai wants to get some of its staff members to get trained in Linux kernel internals and programming. Any pointers to good institutions/individuals who provide such training?
Thanks and regards,
- Joju
On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 14:25 +0530, Jojumon Kavalan wrote:
Hi,
CDAC Mumbai wants to get some of its staff members to get trained in Linux kernel internals and programming. Any pointers to good institutions/individuals who provide such training?
It's a sad day when this institution looks outside its walls for training.
-gabin
On 19-Oct-06, at 3:06 PM, Gabin Kattukaran wrote:
It's a sad day when this institution looks outside its walls for training.
they could try CDAC pune or even CDAC chennai
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 03:45:47PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 19-Oct-06, at 3:06 PM, Gabin Kattukaran wrote:
It's a sad day when this institution looks outside its walls for training.
they could try CDAC pune or even CDAC chennai
Yes, that is also being explored, apart from internal resources. But want to see if there is a better deal from outside :)
Regards,
- Joju
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Dear Gabin,
On 10/19/06, Gabin Kattukaran boon@vsnl.com wrote:
It's a sad day when this institution looks outside its walls for training.
Why do you think the teachers don't need training? Why do you think that CDAC will always have omniscient teachers? :-)
I would say this is great sign that CDAC understands that without proper training the teaching staff will become obsolete. :-)
-gabin
With regards,
Sometime on Oct 19, Dinesh Shah assembled some asciibets to say:
Why do you think the teachers don't need training? Why do you think that CDAC will always have omniscient teachers? :-)
Once upon a time, staff at NCST were pioneers in the linux kernel field. Then Gabin quit.
(this is now OT)
Dinesh Shah wrote:
Why do you think the teachers don't need training? Why do you think that CDAC will always have omniscient teachers? :-)
Thanks for all the responses, though few were a bit senseless!
About using guidance, different people follow different approaches towards learning. A piece of documentation, a book, an individual, an institution - any of these could be a guide. Depending on availability, affordability, and effectiveness, people decide which one to use. Not that one can learn only with guidance, but that is a well accepted, effective way. Personally I feel it is senseless if somebody say "NCST staff members should go through Linux kernel code to understand the kernel internals, looking for any guidance means research is dead!".
Unavailability of experts in one or the other area is a problem being faced by many organisations like NCST. And that is inevitable when the experts leave the organisation for more lucrative jobs! :)
Thanks and regards,
- Joju
Hi,
My thoughts below:
--- Jojumon Kavalan joju@cdacmumbai.in wrote:
members should go through Linux kernel code to understand the kernel internals,
This is what you will be doing most of the time when doing device driver/kernel development in the Free/Libre/Open Source community.
If you have to be current in what is happening, you will have to interact with developers in the mailing lists and on IRC - not in classrooms.
Developers are from different parts of the world, so these are the most important means of communication/learning.
Nobody is going to teach you about recent patches updated to the kernel source tree. It is up to you to use the source and learn. Yes, it is challenging and not everybody's bread.
There is also documentation in the Linux kernel sources, Documentation/ directory.
And that is inevitable when the experts leave the organisation for more lucrative jobs! :)
You are still in a cathedral organizational work environment. You need to come out of that.
You can still contact developers for help/guidance on IRC and mailing lists. That is why I emphasize that you must first participate in the community, get to know how they work and learn.
Regards,
SK
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On Monday 23 October 2006 12:01, Jojumon Kavalan wrote:
say "NCST staff members should go through Linux kernel code to understand the kernel internals, looking for any guidance means research is dead!".
Self learning is the best way to learn. Gives more thorough knowledge than anybody else :P
Unavailability of experts in one or the other area is a problem being faced by many organisations like NCST. And that is inevitable when the experts leave the organisation for more lucrative jobs! :)
That is why organizations like NCST and CDAC must try and _create_ more experts :)
On 23-Oct-06, at 11:59 PM, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
That is why organizations like NCST and CDAC must try and _create_ more experts :)
given the salary constrainsts do you seriously expect this to happen? A Phd would get around 20K. A fresher in private sector would get more
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 00:18, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
given the salary constrainsts do you seriously expect this to happen? A Phd would get around 20K. A fresher in private sector would get more
But the government funding for such institutions is massive, isn't it?
On 24-Oct-06, at 4:24 PM, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
But the government funding for such institutions is massive, isn't it?
yes - but it doesnt go to the employees
On 10/23/06, Jojumon Kavalan joju@cdacmumbai.in wrote:
Personally I feel it is senseless if somebody say "NCST staff members should go through Linux kernel code to understand the kernel internals,
With 1) ``Linux Kernel Development'' - Robert Love 2) ``Understanding the Linux Kernel'' - Bovet/Cesati 3) http://lxr.linux.no/source/ reading the code is more manageable
looking for any guidance means research is dead!".
Unavailability of experts in one or the other area is a problem being faced by many organisations like NCST. And that is inevitable when the experts leave the organisation for more lucrative jobs! :)
Thanks and regards,
- Joju
-- Everything should be made as simple as possible. But no simpler. - Albert Einstein
Regards, Mohan S N --
--- Mohan Nayaka mohansn@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/23/06, Jojumon Kavalan joju@cdacmumbai.in wrote:
Personally I feel it is senseless if somebody say "NCST staff members should go through Linux kernel code to
understand
the kernel internals,
With
- ``Linux Kernel Development'' - Robert Love
- ``Understanding the Linux Kernel'' - Bovet/Cesati
- http://lxr.linux.no/source/
reading the code is more manageable
looking for any guidance means research is dead!".
Barring a few posts the whole thread about how NCST should train their people and the merits and demerits of guided learning is probably the most senseless, timepass thing i have seen on the LUG yet.
I bet amartya sen must be referring to the lug when he came out with his last.
-abhishek
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Hi,
--- Jojumon Kavalan joju@cdacmumbai.in wrote:
to get trained in Linux kernel internals and programming. Any pointers to good institutions/
The Internet and the Free/Libre/Open Source Community?
There is plenty of good documentation available online. Use any search engine for specific topic(s) of interest.
You can also join kernelnewbies and kerneljanitors for projects and help.
#kernelnewbies and ##kernel on irc.freenode.net is also useful.
Regards,
SK
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Sometime on Oct 19, Jojumon Kavalan assembled some asciibets to say:
CDAC Mumbai wants to get some of its staff members to get trained in Linux kernel internals and programming. Any pointers to good institutions/individuals who provide such training?
Whatever happened to learning through reading and experimentation?
On 10/19/06, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday 19 October 2006 18:44, Philip Tellis wrote:
Whatever happened to learning through reading and experimentation?
Research is dead in this country :(
is there a condolence meeting sometime ?
yawn !
On Friday 20 October 2006 01:07, Harsh Busa wrote:
yawn !
Yeah, this list is no fun without the flames :P
On 20-Oct-06, at 12:14 AM, Philip Tellis wrote:
CDAC Mumbai wants to get some of its staff members to get trained in Linux kernel internals and programming. Any pointers to good institutions/individuals who provide such training?
Whatever happened to learning through reading and experimentation?
thats not how government works. The biggest sin in government is not spending funds allocated. If funds are allocated for training - they *must* be spent before march 31st.
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