I don't think any wire can help me.. + if I tamper with the wires, that will be the next reason/excuse for MTNL for the problem.
Getting a new wire will not do any harm. About MTNL's objection, well
I clocked 225 kbps today. The trouble seems to be parallel connections in my house. What I do is remove all the phones from the connection points and put one into the splitter, >>> ~256 kbps
I tried putting one instrument into a parallel conn, switch on the router and again back to 128kbps
So case closed. I've buried the hatchet with MTNL, of course no one on their side got off their butts or figured this out.
Gishu
Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote:
So case closed. I've buried the hatchet with MTNL, of course no one on their side got off their butts or figured this out.
First, happy speeding. :) Then, never give any opportunity to the mtnl guys to get off their butts to figure out any problem in your premises. Just think of a bull in a China shop. Your painstakingly created wiring will be ripped apart just to locate your problem. Do it yourself and simply give them a report.
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Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote:
So case closed. I've buried the hatchet with MTNL, of course no one on their side got off their butts or figured this out.
First, happy speeding. :) Then, never give any opportunity to the mtnl guys to get off their butts to figure out any problem in your premises. Just think of a bull in a China shop. Your painstakingly created wiring will be ripped apart just to locate your problem. Do it yourself and simply give them a report.
Regards,
Rony.
In defence of the MTNL guys, I think they have been so awesome that I am beginning to regard all Jadhavs/Yadavs are "sexy uber dudes". In contrast, those slick talkers at Tata Indicom have been totally hopeless to the point that despite the Ritas and Anjalis and Judes and Ankurs always regreting the inconvenience caused to me and forwarding my complaint "personally" to the concerned dept, I have been forced to cancel the account with them. Talking about Tata Indicom woes may not be appropriate for this forum but rest assured, our MTNL bhaiyas as well as their boss came out total tops in service.
About the Wiring and the splitter: It is the first thing of DSL to provide you splitters for every parallel you have. In all likelihood, your Triband line was put in by a 3rd party service personnel who may not know enough yet.
And for those with EPABXs this is how the connection should be. Keep in mind, 3rd party installers will tell you to manage the internal wiring on your own as they are only paid by mtnl for providing straighforward service.
You will need 2 sockets near the modem with internal wiring done. Remove L1 (line with DSL) from Epabx and connect directly to the extension E1 near which you want to put the modem. Splitter has 3 sockets named (Line, Modem, Extension?) This will go into the splitter. Splitter has 3 sockets. Line, DSL, Phone.
Direct Line L1 goes into Line. DSL goes into DSL modem. Line from Phone goes into the Socket that is then connected to EPABX incoming.
This is ofcourse only 1 way. you could keep the dsl modem near the epabx but it would be a pain to monitor it then.
hope this helps
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In contrast, those slick talkers at Tata Indicom have been totally hopeless to the point that despite the Ritas and Anjalis and Judes and Ankurs always regreting the inconvenience caused to me and forwarding my complaint "personally" to the concerned dept, I have been forced to cancel the account with them. Talking about Tata Indicom woes may not be appropriate for this forum but rest assured, our MTNL bhaiyas as well as their boss came out total tops in service.
A client of mine had a very bad experience too with the tata indicom call center guys assuring every time that the request (for account renewal) will be forwarded to the concerned dept. I had dialed on his behalf once as he is a senior citizen and got the same reply. Finally after some days of no resopnse, I advised the customer to dump vsnl and go for triband. He is yet to decide.
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On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 20:05 +0530, Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote:
I clocked 225 kbps today. The trouble seems to be parallel connections in my house. What I do is remove all the phones from the connection points and put one into the splitter, >>> ~256 kbps
I tried putting one instrument into a parallel conn, switch on the router and again back to 128kbps
Where have you installed the DSL/Tel splitter? Install the DSL/Tel. splitter right where the MTNL line comes into your house and pull your || tel. connections from the splitter.
I have two phones in parallel "after" the splitter and get about 230 Kbps.
On Friday 25 November 2005 21:05, Arun K. Khan wrote:
|| tel. connections from the splitter.
I have two phones in parallel "after" the splitter and get about 230 Kbps.
Most of the time it is RFI that screws the speed. The sources include TVs, calculators, feature phones particularly cordless, ups, phone and electrical cables running together. But the biggest problem is TVs and feature phones. However I think that parallel lines before the splitter will be the most common problem in the near future. I have been getting 560~590 MB for the past week on night downloads
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In defence of the MTNL guys, I think they have been so awesome that I am beginning to regard all Jadhavs/Yadavs are "sexy uber dudes". In contrast, those slick talkers at Tata Indicom have been totally hopeless to the point that despite the Ritas and Anjalis and Judes and Ankurs always regreting the inconvenience caused to me and forwarding my complaint "personally" to the concerned dept, I have been forced to cancel the account with them. Talking about Tata Indicom woes may not be appropriate for this forum but rest assured, our MTNL bhaiyas as well as their boss came out total tops in service.
MTNL to my utter suprise is leagues ahead of the private ISPs, both in terms of service and network performance (all fingers tightly crossed and a fervent prayer). Tata Indicom is the worst. Well Satyam is in a photo finish. A weeks downtime is fairly common with these jokers. With TI 128kbps ppoe there are several outages daily. Preventing unlimited usage full year prepaid customers from logging in was the rage last month at TI.
rgds jtd
On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 09:36 +0530, JTD wrote:
On Friday 25 November 2005 21:05, Arun K. Khan wrote:
|| tel. connections from the splitter.
I have two phones in parallel "after" the splitter and get about 230 Kbps.
Most of the time it is RFI that screws the speed. The sources include TVs, calculators, feature phones particularly cordless, ups, phone and electrical cables running together. But the biggest problem is TVs and feature phones.
I have all of the above but do get decent data rate. In fact, the DSL line is running about 4' above a microwave in the kitchen. IMO this is less of an issue @ 256 Kbps, for higher data rates I agree.
However I think that parallel lines before the splitter will be the most common problem in the near future.
Absolutely, and without any reason. IMO MTNL has done a real poor job - in *not* training their personnel to instruct subscribers where to put the splitter. The guy who services my area told that it did not matter where I put the splitter! Ironically, the correct config is documented on their web site http://mumbai.mtnl.net.in/internetservices/adsl/newuserguide.pdf
I was responding to the OP who mentioned that his data rate fell as soon as he hooked up a 2nd phone in parallel. I suspect his splitter is not at the right place.
MTNL to my utter suprise is leagues ahead of the private ISPs, both in terms of service and network performance (all fingers tightly crossed and a fervent prayer).
Yes, in terms of network performance - the TELCO requirement of high uptime is built into the infrastructure. In terms of service, I have not experienced it. After having met their top brass w.r.t my billing issue I am not surprised at the lack of service.
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JTD wrote:
Most of the time it is RFI that screws the speed. The sources include TVs, calculators, feature phones particularly cordless, ups, phone and electrical cables running together. But the biggest problem is TVs and feature phones. However I think that parallel lines before the splitter will be the most common problem in the near future. I have been getting 560~590 MB for the past week on night downloads
Telephones kept on-hook have only the ringer circuit connected across the tel line. Phone ringers are designed for a very low frequency use whereas the adsl line carries a high frequency signal. This adsl signal gets absorbed by the phone ringers and even when on-hook, will attenuate this signal. Thats why Gishu got low speeds on his line. Once the phones are connected after the splitter, they will stop interfering as that section is designed to carry that load. I have a fax machine with a fax guard ( drawing 1.5 ma) , my computer's modem and a parallel phone in the fax machine connected after the splitter. During installation, the adsl guy told me not to have any phones across the adsl line.
Regards,
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On Saturday 26 November 2005 04:06, JTD wrote:
Most of the time it is RFI that screws the speed. The sources include TVs, calculators, feature phones particularly cordless, ups, phone and electrical cables running together. But the biggest problem is TVs and feature phones. However I think that parallel lines before the splitter will be the most common problem in the near future. I have been getting 560~590 MB for the past week on night downloads
You just destroyed all my hopes of getting a DSL connection! I have all of those things you mentioned - ups, cordless phone, a lot of electric cables bunched together including 5-6 cat5e cables. A switch (no not the electric one! A network switch), my ol' pentium 1, my tv, my philips stereo system, two heavy duty speakers.... :|
On Saturday 26 November 2005 23:49, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Saturday 26 November 2005 04:06, JTD wrote:
Most of the time it is RFI that screws the speed. The sources include TVs, calculators, feature phones particularly cordless, ups, phone and electrical cables running together. But the biggest problem is TVs and feature phones. However I think that parallel lines before the splitter will be the most common problem in the near future. I have been getting 560~590 MB for the past week on night downloads
You just destroyed all my hopes of getting a DSL connection! I have all of those things you mentioned - ups, cordless phone, a lot of electric cables bunched together including 5-6 cat5e cables. A switch (no not the electric one! A network switch), my ol' pentium 1, my tv, my philips stereo system, two heavy duty speakers.... :|
Not to worry donate them to some nice guy (I promise to be nice) or just keep them away from the incoming phone line.
rgds jtd
On Saturday 26 November 2005 14:07, JTD wrote:
Not to worry donate them to some nice guy (I promise to be nice) or just keep them away from the incoming phone line.
You are asking for a donation from a poor, broke college student?! :| Jokes apart, keeping these things away from the incoming phone line is going to be very difficult. My house isn't particularly big. More over its congested with electronic devices, all with high EM emissions! :(
Jokes apart, keeping these things away from the incoming phone line is going to be very difficult. My house isn't particularly big. More over its congested with electronic devices, all with high EM emissions! :(
I think MTNL state quite plainly that they do not guarantee the download speed - but this is somewhat a consequence of loading ADSL as an after-thought over a telephone network designed for voice.
Unfortunately there is absolutely no way of figuring out how much b/w u will get until you try it with your own setup (I have so much static noise in my phone-line as is - I am pretty sure my triband connection would suck!) Although they do have this 15-day trial thing were you can pay 800-odd bucks (+ 5K refundable deposit) to try it out before you make the actual investment. Best of Luck...
- farazs
On Saturday 26 November 2005 21:57, Faraz Shahbazker wrote:
Jokes apart, keeping these things away from the incoming phone line is going to be very difficult.
10 ~ 20 cm apart is good enough for most cases.
I think MTNL state quite plainly that they do not guarantee the download speed - but this is somewhat a consequence of loading ADSL as an after-thought over a telephone network designed for voice.
Unfortunately there is absolutely no way of figuring out how much b/w u will get until you try it with your own setup (I have so much static noise in my phone-line as is - I am pretty sure my triband connection would suck!) Although they do have this 15-day trial thing were you can pay 800-odd bucks (+ 5K refundable deposit) to try it out before you make the actual investment. Best of Luck...
So far about 25 connections (across Mumbai) all average 225+ kbps. So MTNL's last mile copper is very good. Any one tried 512kbps?
rgds jtd
Faraz Shahbazker wrote:
Unfortunately there is absolutely no way of figuring out how much b/w u will get until you try it with your own setup (I have so much static noise in my phone-line as is - I am pretty sure my triband connection would suck!)
This goes for any telephone line equipment. If you got more than one tel line, select the one that has given you best results or least problems over a period of one or two years. With triband, there is no worry of getting a line engaged while surfing. :)
Regards,
Rony.
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