On Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 06:14:21PM +0530, Suhit Kelkar wrote:
Hi, about the meeting: HBCSE isn't ok?
Will the trains on the harbour line be running at around 2 p.m.?
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Mehul Ved mehul.n.ved@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 06:14:21PM +0530, Suhit Kelkar wrote:
Hi, about the meeting: HBCSE isn't ok?
Will the trains on the harbour line be running at around 2 p.m.?
Assuming HBCSE is not available to us,what are other possible venues.Also,wherever it is,we need to get the MuktTracks to be brought there to be distributed among attendees.
On Tue, June 17, 2008 1:17 pm, Mehul Ved wrote:
On Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 06:14:21PM +0530, Suhit Kelkar wrote:
Hi, about the meeting: HBCSE isn't ok?
Are we still looking for a space for the meet? Am happy to offer our space in Bandra where we run CAMP (http://camputer.org) - is just off linking road in bandra fairly close to Bandra and Khar rly. stations. Has wireless, power, etc. and could host 10-15 people comfortably - but upto 25 should be okay.
This thread is a bit confusing and wasn't sure if the space has been figured or not. Let me know if we're still looking, and I can post detailed address, directions and a nicer welcome : P.
All the best to all, Sanjay B
Will the trains on the harbour line be running at around 2 p.m.?
-- If you care, you just get disappointed all the time. If you don't care nothing matters so you are never upset. -- Calvin -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Sanjay B b@pad.ma wrote:
On Tue, June 17, 2008 1:17 pm, Mehul Ved wrote:
On Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 06:14:21PM +0530, Suhit Kelkar wrote:
Hi, about the meeting: HBCSE isn't ok?
Are we still looking for a space for the meet? Am happy to offer our space in Bandra where we run CAMP (http://camputer.org) - is just off linking road in bandra fairly close to Bandra and Khar rly. stations. Has wireless, power, etc. and could host 10-15 people comfortably - but upto 25 should be okay.
This thread is a bit confusing and wasn't sure if the space has been figured or not.
It has not been figured out yet.Candidates eliminated were HBCSE,FossLab and the CCD in Bandra.Can IIT be a possible venue?
Let me know if we're still looking, and I can post detailed address, directions and a nicer welcome : P.
On Wed, June 18, 2008 2:36 pm, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Sanjay B b@pad.ma wrote:
On Tue, June 17, 2008 1:17 pm, Mehul Ved wrote:
On Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 06:14:21PM +0530, Suhit Kelkar wrote:
Hi, about the meeting: HBCSE isn't ok?
Are we still looking for a space for the meet? Am happy to offer our space in Bandra where we run CAMP (http://camputer.org) - is just off linking road in bandra fairly close to Bandra and Khar rly. stations. Has wireless, power, etc. and could host 10-15 people comfortably - but upto 25 should be okay.
This thread is a bit confusing and wasn't sure if the space has been figured or not.
It has not been figured out yet.Candidates eliminated were HBCSE,FossLab and the CCD in Bandra.Can IIT be a possible venue?
If IIT works out, that's awesome - always look forward to days out near the lake :-) - let me know if it doesn't - my offer of our space is open.
-Sanjay
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Sanjay B b@pad.ma wrote:
On Tue, June 17, 2008 1:17 pm, Mehul Ved wrote:
On Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 06:14:21PM +0530, Suhit Kelkar wrote:
Hi, about the meeting: HBCSE isn't ok?
Are we still looking for a space for the meet? Am happy to offer our space in Bandra where we run CAMP (http://camputer.org) - is just off linking road in bandra fairly close to Bandra and Khar rly. stations. Has wireless, power, etc. and could host 10-15 people comfortably - but upto 25 should be okay.
not bad i'm ready ...If other people are also in a same tune :)
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Sanjay B b@pad.ma wrote:
the CCD in Bandra.Can IIT be a possible venue?
If IIT works out, that's awesome - always look forward to days out near the lake :-) - let me know if it doesn't - my offer of our space is open.
I will check. Please go ahead with other plans if I don't mail before 6pm on Jun19.
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Vipul Mathur vipul@linux-delhi.org wrote:
Can IIT be a possible venue?
I will check. Please go ahead with other plans if I don't mail before 6pm on Jun19.
I have given a request to the office here for booking a meeting space (in the familiar KReSIT, IITB venue). Will update here with approval status of the request soon.
Regards,
~ViM
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Vipul Mathur vipul@linux-delhi.org wrote:
Can IIT be a possible venue?
I will check. Please go ahead with other plans if I don't mail before 6pm on Jun19.
I have given a request to the office here for booking a meeting space (in the familiar KReSIT, IITB venue). Will update here with approval status of the request soon.
Looks like I will get a confirmation only by 2pm tomorrow. Timing 2pm to 5pm sounds ok for the meeting right? How many people are we expecting?
-- Vipul Mathur vipul [at] linux-delhi.org
On Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:08:08PM +0530, Vipul Mathur wrote:
Looks like I will get a confirmation only by 2pm tomorrow. Timing 2pm to 5pm sounds ok for the meeting right?
Yeah that's the timing that was decided earlier too.
How many people are we expecting?
Going by the responses received and attendance in the last few meets, 15 would be the maximum.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Vipul Mathur vipul@linux-delhi.org wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Vipul Mathur vipul@linux-delhi.org wrote:
Can IIT be a possible venue?
I will check. Please go ahead with other plans if I don't mail before 6pm on Jun19.
I have given a request to the office here for booking a meeting space (in the familiar KReSIT, IITB venue). Will update here with approval status of the request soon.
Looks like I will get a confirmation only by 2pm tomorrow. Timing 2pm to 5pm sounds ok for the meeting right? How many people are we expecting?
Well,if we get a NO at 2pm,do we agree to congregate at camputers?Just trying to cover all the possibilities.
H!
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Easwar Hariharan <> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Vipul Mathur <> wrote:
Well,if we get a NO at 2pm,do we agree to congregate at camputers?Just trying to cover all the possibilities.
How about freezing on Bandra? We already have an offer for hosting.
Also, Ms. Chhandita Mukherjee from Comet Media NGO would like to speak about the end-user experience and challenges faced by the GNU/Linux users/adopters.
Rony, how about you putting forward your experience as GNU/Linux Service/Support Provider?
So the agenda looks like this -
1. Status of Open/Free MAP in Mumbai/IIndia and road ahead? By --> ??? 2. End user experience of FOSS user and challenges - By Chhandita Mukherjee 3. Supporting FOSS end users - opportunities and challenges? By Rony?
How is the above agenda?
Regards, Easwar
With regards,
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Dinesh Shah dineshah@gmail.com wrote:
H!
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Easwar Hariharan <> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Vipul Mathur <> wrote:
Well,if we get a NO at 2pm,do we agree to congregate at camputers?Just trying to cover all the possibilities.
How about freezing on Bandra? We already have an offer for hosting.
True,but how many people are coming and where do they live?Better to choose a venue which is easily reachable by majority considering megablocks and all.
Also, Ms. Chhandita Mukherjee from Comet Media NGO would like to speak about the end-user experience and challenges faced by the GNU/Linux users/adopters.
Rony, how about you putting forward your experience as GNU/Linux Service/Support Provider?
So the agenda looks like this -
- Status of Open/Free MAP in Mumbai/IIndia and road ahead? By --> ???
- End user experience of FOSS user and challenges - By Chhandita Mukherjee
- Supporting FOSS end users - opportunities and challenges? By Rony?
How is the above agenda?
Agenda is good.I can contribute my draft presentations in the session by Ms. Chhandita.
Easwar,
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Easwar Hariharan <> wrote:
How about freezing on Bandra? We already have an offer for hosting.
True,but how many people are coming and where do they live?Better to choose a venue which is easily reachable by majority considering megablocks and all.
Branda is not very difficult to get to from any part of the Mumbai.
Also, Ms. Chhandita Mukherjee from Comet Media NGO would like to speak about the end-user experience and challenges faced by the GNU/Linux users/adopters.
Rony, how about you putting forward your experience as GNU/Linux Service/Support Provider?
So the agenda looks like this -
- Status of Open/Free MAP in Mumbai/IIndia and road ahead? By --> ???
- End user experience of FOSS user and challenges - By Chhandita Mukherjee
- Supporting FOSS end users - opportunities and challenges? By Rony?
How is the above agenda?
Agenda is good.I can contribute my draft presentations in the session by Ms. Chhandita.
????
-- Regards, Easwar
With regards,
????
Hmm,I'm planning to deliver two seminars on Linux at my college,so I'm preparing two presentations for that purpose.So I will bring them in for opinions,suggestions and constructive criticism. Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Easwar Hariharan <> wrote:
Hmm,I'm planning to deliver two seminars on Linux at my college,so I'm preparing two presentations for that purpose.So I will bring them in for opinions,suggestions and constructive criticism.
Great! This is 4th item in agenda!
Rony, need your confirmation. :-)
Sanjay, Can you please post the details of the venue offered by you with confirmation?
TIA With regards,
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Dinesh Shah dineshah@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Easwar Hariharan <> wrote:
Hmm,I'm planning to deliver two seminars on Linux at my college,so I'm preparing two presentations for that purpose.So I will bring them in for opinions,suggestions and constructive criticism.
Great! This is 4th item in agenda!
This was already in the agenda,only it was drowned out with only occasional reminders by myself.Actually,it was a byproduct of Nagarjuna Sir's thoughts at the last meet that,since the problems being solved by the GLUG on the list are no longer of the form like "Sound is not working","X won't accept max refresh rate",etc ,it shows that GNU/Linux is mature enough to be go out of the hobbyist domain.It already has,for that matter.
Whatever,the main issue is that Sir was saying that the GLUG should now be more involved in spreading the philosophy and culture of GNU/Linux.
Sanjay, Can you please post the details of the venue offered by you with confirmation?
So,I believe Bandra has been finalised.Whoever plans to attend,please post your names to the RSVP.
On Fri, June 20, 2008 3:16 pm, Dinesh Shah wrote:
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Easwar Hariharan <> wrote:
Hmm,I'm planning to deliver two seminars on Linux at my college,so I'm preparing two presentations for that purpose.So I will bring them in for opinions,suggestions and constructive criticism.
Great! This is 4th item in agenda!
Great! I shall keep our projector setup and handy for presentations if anyone needs.
Rony, need your confirmation. :-)
Sanjay, Can you please post the details of the venue offered by you with confirmation?
So the place is fairly easy to find. If coming from Bandra station - get onto Linking Road - take the left at KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken, is opposite the McDonalds), come down the road until you see Bombay Blue Restaurant, take a right (onto 14th road) and stop. The building is just opposite Bombay Blue - called Surya Kiran, and we are on the second floor, no. 23 (you will see some anti-copyright stickers on the door ;) ) My phone no. is 9322250246 . The postal address: 23, Surya Kiran, Opp. Bombay Blue Restaurant, 14th Road, Bandra (W).
I'll also create a page with google maps directions by tonight - if someone can collate the agenda as well, might be nice to send a proper invite to the list for people who might be a bit confused with the length of this thread / subject line.. ? :-)
Feel free to contact me off-list / on phone if anyone needs clarifications..
Looking forward to seeing everyone :)
-Sanjay B
TIA With regards, --
--Dinesh Shah :-)
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- Status of Open/Free MAP in Mumbai/IIndia and road ahead? By --> ???
I know Shekhar Krishnan and Schuyler Erle are coming back to Bombay over the next couple of months to do some more work on the Freemap / OSM project. I can email Shekhar and ask him to summarize what work they are planning to do, and perhaps what kind of contributions they are looking for / what is the kind of work people can do. If I hear back from him, I'm happy to do the presentation sort of as proxy, alongwith someone who attended the last workshop .. ?
-Sanjay B
onto Linking Road - take the left at KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken, is opposite the McDonalds), come down the road until you see Bombay Blue Restaurant, take a right (onto 14th road) and stop. The building is just opposite Bombay Blue - called Surya Kiran, and we are on the second floor, no. 23 (you will see some anti-copyright stickers on the door ;) ) My phone no. is 9322250246 . The postal address: 23, Surya Kiran, Opp. Bombay Blue Restaurant, 14th Road, Bandra (W).
Is there a nearby major BEST stop/depot?
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On Fri, June 20, 2008 3:37 pm, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
onto Linking Road - take the left at KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken, is opposite the McDonalds), come down the road until you see Bombay Blue Restaurant, take a right (onto 14th road) and stop. The building is just opposite Bombay Blue - called Surya Kiran, and we are on the second floor, no. 23 (you will see some anti-copyright stickers on the door ;) ) My phone no. is 9322250246 . The postal address: 23, Surya Kiran, Opp. Bombay Blue Restaurant, 14th Road, Bandra (W).
Is there a nearby major BEST stop/depot?
So if you're taking a bus, the closest stop would be National College on Linking Road - sorry I can't dig up the exact nos. right now . You can also take buses to either S.V. Road Bandra, Bandra Station or Bandra Talao and walk a bit / take a rickshaw from there. The landmark you're looking for is probably National College, everyone should know it - the KFC is just down the road from there, and then directions as above. I'll try and post a list of bus nos. that come to the area .. the mumbai navigator site seems to be down right now : (. Where are you coming from .. ?
-Sanjay B
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065 -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Sanjay B b@pad.ma wrote:
On Fri, June 20, 2008 3:37 pm, Easwar Hariharan wrote:
onto Linking Road - take the left at KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken, is opposite the McDonalds), come down the road until you see Bombay Blue Restaurant, take a right (onto 14th road) and stop. The building is just opposite Bombay Blue - called Surya Kiran, and we are on the second floor, no. 23 (you will see some anti-copyright stickers on the door ;) ) My phone no. is 9322250246 . The postal address: 23, Surya Kiran, Opp. Bombay Blue Restaurant, 14th Road, Bandra (W).
Is there a nearby major BEST stop/depot?
So if you're taking a bus, the closest stop would be National College on Linking Road - sorry I can't dig up the exact nos. right now . You can also take buses to either S.V. Road Bandra, Bandra Station or Bandra Talao and walk a bit / take a rickshaw from there. The landmark you're looking for is probably National College, everyone should know it - the KFC is just down the road from there, and then directions as above. I'll try and post a list of bus nos. that come to the area .. the mumbai navigator site seems to be down right now : (. Where are you coming from .. ?
Don't worry,I'm using BEST's own site for the bus numbers.I'm coming from Mulund.It seems a 496 Ltd with a changeover at Bhandup Station to 422 will do the job to get to National College.
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
Oh... looks like all my room booking and running around and taking permissions went in vain?
Are people fixed on Bandra now? Is the IITB venue still required or should I cancel the request?
One request: Please freeze the venue well in advance. (Who is the "official meeting announcer" these days?)
I guess this didn't happen for some reasons this time around. I remember past meetings of this and other LUGs where people reached two different venues, resulting in a lot of confusion.
As for the KReSIT, IITB venue, it turns out that one requires "official" approval these days from the powers-that-be in the CSE department. So things take a bit longer than they used-to earlier. Hence last-minute arrangements may not be possible.
~Vipul
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Vipul Mathur vipul@linux-delhi.org wrote:
Oh... looks like all my room booking and running around and taking permissions went in vain?
Are people fixed on Bandra now? Is the IITB venue still required or should I cancel the request?
One request: Please freeze the venue well in advance. (Who is the "official meeting announcer" these days?)
I guess this didn't happen for some reasons this time around. I remember past meetings of this and other LUGs where people reached two different venues, resulting in a lot of confusion.
As for the KReSIT, IITB venue, it turns out that one requires "official" approval these days from the powers-that-be in the CSE department. So things take a bit longer than they used-to earlier. Hence last-minute arrangements may not be possible.
I guess apologies are in order.There was no mail forthcoming at 2pm about a Yes/No,so we decided on Bandra.Apologies again.
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Easwar Hariharan meindian523@gmail.com wrote:
I guess apologies are in order.There was no mail forthcoming at 2pm about a Yes/No,so we decided on Bandra.Apologies again.
Hey I wasn't looking for any apologies, sorry if my mail sounded like that. :-)
As I said, the bookings here took longer than I anticipated (and far longer than necessary). So it was good that we all decided quickly on an alternate venue.
Just a request, please make a clear announcement now in a fresh thread so that the actual venue is not buried deep in this thread :-)
I'll try my best to make it to Bandra, if weather permits.
Regards
~Vipul
H! Vipul,
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Vipul Mathur <> wrote:
Oh... looks like all my room booking and running around and taking permissions went in vain?
Thanks for all the trouble you have taken and sorry we can not use IITB this time.
How about you moving your booking to 20th July? So we can announce the July meet well in advance with confirmed venue? :-)
Are people fixed on Bandra now? Is the IITB venue still required or should I cancel the request?
As I suggest, please move the date to 20th July. :-)
One request: Please freeze the venue well in advance. (Who is the "official meeting announcer" these days?)
See above! And there is no "official meeting announcer" here. :-8 When someone sees the need for meeting s/he takes the initiative as I did this time. :-)
I guess this didn't happen for some reasons this time around. I remember past meetings of this and other LUGs where people reached two different venues, resulting in a lot of confusion.
I think we have sufficiecient advance notice about meeting venue to remove any confusion this time.
As for the KReSIT, IITB venue, it turns out that one requires "official" approval these days from the powers-that-be in the CSE department. So things take a bit longer than they used-to earlier. Hence last-minute arrangements may not be possible.
No problem!
Vipul Mathur vipul [at] linux-delhi.org
Thanks once again. With regards,
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Vipul Mathur vipul@linux-delhi.org wrote:
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Easwar Hariharan meindian523@gmail.com wrote:
I guess apologies are in order.There was no mail forthcoming at 2pm about
a
Yes/No,so we decided on Bandra.Apologies again.
Hey I wasn't looking for any apologies, sorry if my mail sounded like that. :-)
As I said, the bookings here took longer than I anticipated (and far longer than necessary). So it was good that we all decided quickly on an alternate venue.
Just a request, please make a clear announcement now in a fresh thread so that the actual venue is not buried deep in this thread :-)
Actually,the meet has been put up on the main page of the website,just announced by Anurag.So,no need for a new thread.But we might need to add the directions to either the website/just wait for Sanjay to put up his GoogleMaps.
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On 20-Jun-08, at 3:26 PM, Sanjay B wrote:
I'll also create a page with google maps directions by tonight
use osm - google maps is not free
On 20-Jun-08, at 3:31 PM, Sanjay B wrote:
- Status of Open/Free MAP in Mumbai/IIndia and road ahead? By --
???
I know Shekhar Krishnan and Schuyler Erle are coming back to Bombay over the next couple of months to do some more work on the Freemap / OSM project. I can email Shekhar and ask him to summarize what work they are planning to do, and perhaps what kind of contributions they are looking for / what is the kind of work people can do. If I hear back from him, I'm happy to do the presentation sort of as proxy, alongwith someone who attended the last workshop .. ?
instead of waiting for those guys, why dont you guys do some mapping? The Mumbai scene is pathetic.
On Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 02:25:29PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
So the agenda looks like this -
- Status of Open/Free MAP in Mumbai/IIndia and road ahead? By --> ???
- End user experience of FOSS user and challenges - By Chhandita Mukherjee
- Supporting FOSS end users - opportunities and challenges? By Rony?
How is the above agenda?
I can get the ogg theora file of Big Buck Bunny, if people are interested. I may just be able to finish the DVD download too. It is 7.7GB, so if people are interested I can get it along.
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Mehul Ved mehul.n.ved@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 02:25:29PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
So the agenda looks like this -
- Status of Open/Free MAP in Mumbai/IIndia and road ahead? By --> ???
- End user experience of FOSS user and challenges - By Chhandita
Mukherjee
- Supporting FOSS end users - opportunities and challenges? By Rony?
How is the above agenda?
I can get the ogg theora file of Big Buck Bunny, if people are interested. I may just be able to finish the DVD download too. It is 7.7GB, so if people are interested I can get it along.
Sure,why not.We do have a projector available.
And hopefully,MuktTracks are going to be distributed at the meet?
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
Actually,the meet has been put up on the main page of the website,just announced by Anurag.So,no need for a new thread.But we might need to add the directions to either the website/just wait for Sanjay to put up his GoogleMaps.
http://camputer.org/directions.html - took Kenneth's advice and didn't use Google:P. the page is a bit silly, will improve it when i get some time, but think it works. I would also suggest someone send a mail with a fresh subject out with the final details / agenda of the meet (or, just point people to the ilug-bom website, which looks really nice, btw. - neat job, folks)...
-Sanjay B
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065 -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Dinesh Shah wrote:
H!
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Easwar Hariharan <> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Vipul Mathur <> wrote:
Well,if we get a NO at 2pm,do we agree to congregate at camputers?Just trying to cover all the possibilities.
How about freezing on Bandra? We already have an offer for hosting.
Also, Ms. Chhandita Mukherjee from Comet Media NGO would like to speak about the end-user experience and challenges faced by the GNU/Linux users/adopters.
Rony, how about you putting forward your experience as GNU/Linux Service/Support Provider?
So the agenda looks like this -
- Status of Open/Free MAP in Mumbai/IIndia and road ahead? By --> ???
- End user experience of FOSS user and challenges - By Chhandita Mukherjee
- Supporting FOSS end users - opportunities and challenges? By Rony?
My experience with promoting FOSS has not been very positive. Nothing to talk about.
Easwar Hariharan wrote:
????
Hmm,I'm planning to deliver two seminars on Linux at my college,so I'm preparing two presentations for that purpose.So I will bring them in for opinions,suggestions and constructive criticism. Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
Easwar can do the third part of the agenda.
Easwar Hariharan wrote:
onto Linking Road - take the left at KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken, is opposite the McDonalds), come down the road until you see Bombay Blue Restaurant, take a right (onto 14th road) and stop. The building is just opposite Bombay Blue - called Surya Kiran, and we are on the second floor, no. 23 (you will see some anti-copyright stickers on the door ;) ) My phone no. is 9322250246 . The postal address: 23, Surya Kiran, Opp. Bombay Blue Restaurant, 14th Road, Bandra (W).
Is there a nearby major BEST stop/depot?
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
KFC is a little further from National College. May be a stop or two ahead.
Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Sanjay B b@pad.ma wrote:
So if you're taking a bus, the closest stop would be National College on Linking Road - sorry I can't dig up the exact nos. right now . You can also take buses to either S.V. Road Bandra, Bandra Station or Bandra Talao and walk a bit / take a rickshaw from there. The landmark you're looking for is probably National College, everyone should know it - the KFC is just down the road from there, and then directions as above. I'll try and post a list of bus nos. that come to the area .. the mumbai navigator site seems to be down right now : (. Where are you coming from .. ?
Don't worry,I'm using BEST's own site for the bus numbers.I'm coming from Mulund.It seems a 496 Ltd with a changeover at Bhandup Station to 422 will do the job to get to National College.
Look for buses from Kurla Stn. That will leave you fresh for the meet.
Don't worry,I'm using BEST's own site for the bus numbers.I'm coming from Mulund.It seems a 496 Ltd with a changeover at Bhandup Station to 422 will do the job to get to National College.
Look for buses from Kurla Stn. That will leave you fresh for the meet.
I also found that 422 goes direct to Bandra from Mulund.Can't be fresher than that.:)
Don't worry,I'm using BEST's own site for the bus numbers.I'm coming from Mulund.It seems a 496 Ltd with a changeover at Bhandup Station to 422 will do the job to get to National College.
Look for buses from Kurla Stn. That will leave you fresh for the meet.
I also found that 422 goes direct to Bandra from Mulund.Can't be fresher than that.:)
Easwar can do the third part of the agenda.
I don't have ANY experience,let alone positive.So,I got nothing to talk about,either,atleast nothing on Supporting end-users.
On Friday 20 Jun 2008, Rony wrote:
Dinesh Shah wrote:
H!
Rony, how about you putting forward your experience as GNU/Linux Service/Support Provider?
My experience with promoting FOSS has not been very positive. Nothing to talk about.
Nonetheless, it would be worthwhile to hear your experience. There is something to learn from every experience. :) Please reconsider.
On Fri, June 20, 2008 5:07 pm, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 20-Jun-08, at 3:31 PM, Sanjay B wrote:
- Status of Open/Free MAP in Mumbai/IIndia and road ahead? By --
???
I know Shekhar Krishnan and Schuyler Erle are coming back to Bombay over the next couple of months to do some more work on the Freemap / OSM project. I can email Shekhar and ask him to summarize what work they are planning to do, and perhaps what kind of contributions they are looking for / what is the kind of work people can do. If I hear back from him, I'm happy to do the presentation sort of as proxy, alongwith someone who attended the last workshop .. ?
instead of waiting for those guys, why dont you guys do some mapping? The Mumbai scene is pathetic.
Err.. really sorry if I missed something since I couldn't make it for the last OSM workshop in Bombay - but as I gathered, shekhar and schuyler were doing some work on it and since they're going to be down, i thought it might be useful to get their inputs on what their plans were, vis a vis not just mapping, but software development, etc. as well, especially as no one had come forth to do the presentation yet. With regards to "why dont you guys do some mapping?" - i think the point is also to address the tools, etc. with which we can do that mapping and see what holes are there to be filled, what tools can normal people use?, apart from just taking out gps devices and uploading tracks .. Just doing the directions to CAMP page today, I had to resort to using an iframe because I couldn't figure out the OSM / OpenLayers Javascript API and the different projections it seemed to use in the limited time I had to put the page up.. w/ regards to the mumbai scene - : P - only time will tell, no?
Err.. anyways - apologies for speaking up there - I honestly have been quite clueless about the OSM/Freemap project for the past year or so - really hope someone can give a good update on it at the meet tho .. would love to be able to / know how to "go do some mapping" ...
take care, Sanjay B
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Arun Khan wrote:
On Friday 20 Jun 2008, Rony wrote:
Dinesh Shah wrote:
H!
Rony, how about you putting forward your experience as GNU/Linux Service/Support Provider?
My experience with promoting FOSS has not been very positive. Nothing to talk about.
Nonetheless, it would be worthwhile to hear your experience. There is something to learn from every experience. :) Please reconsider.
FOSS is a different game altogether. In Windows you can simply be a service provider and the client is supposed to know how the software works on his own and he takes the initiative to do so. In FOSS, simply providing the software is not enough. The client expects training or will go back to Windows. I don't have the time to train people. For most people, FOSS will work more as a solution/package to a specific requirement rather than just a software for daily use, unless the user is self motivated. Plus many of my clients use web based services that run only in Windows, like share trading softwares. The package makers do not support GNU/Linux. Many have problems with OO not functioning the same way as M$ Office. Ultimately I have stopped bothering about making GNU/Linux work for them and I have stopped complaining too.
On 21-Jun-08, at 2:23 AM, Sanjay B wrote:
doing some work on it and since they're going to be down, i thought it might be useful to get their inputs on what their plans were, vis a vis not just mapping, but software development, etc. as well, especially as no one had come forth to do the presentation yet. With regards to "why dont you guys do some mapping?" - i think the point is also to address the tools, etc. with which we can do that mapping and see what holes are there to be filled, what tools can normal people use?, apart from just taking out gps devices and uploading tracks .. Just doing the directions to CAMP page today, I had to resort to using an iframe because I couldn't figure out the OSM / OpenLayers Javascript API and the different projections it seemed to use in the limited time I had to put the page up.. w/ regards to the mumbai scene - : P - only time will tell, no?
to put it very briefly, the outline for India as well as most towns, some rivers and major roads have been imported from AND database (a database built by the american CIA). This varies in detail, depending on the CIA's priorities. Our job is to correct the mistakes and fill in the blanks. For this we have several tools:
1. The online editor Potlatch. This can be used in two ways. One - if you have a gps device, you can use Potlatch to trace out the details from your tracks. If you do not have a device, you can use Yahoo satellite imagery to trace features. OSM has permission to use Yahoo imagery and the use is with no strings tied, so the data created is free. The problem of course is how good the images are for your area. For Ooty, the resolution is so poor that even the town cannot be seen. This is true for the whole of Tamilnadu except for Chennai. If you look at chennai you will find excellent detail, most of it done from yahoo imagery with some use of gps tracks for fine tuning. Mysre, Bangalore, a lot of Karnataka, Delhi and Mumbai have very good imagery. So for the older parts of these places, a hell of a lot of work can be done without a gps device. If this work is done, it helps those with devices to concentrate on newer features like recently built flyovers etc. The other day, I was stuck in a meeting and was able to trace the Yamuna river from Delhi upto allahabad and the ganga from there to somewhere in Bihar. I was also able to do most of the Kabini and the Kaveri in the south.
2. JOSM is a java editor for creating and editing maps. It can be used to create maps from gps tracks. It can also be used along with Yahoo imagery for tracing maps as described above.
What needs to be done in Mumbai is to fill in the blanks. And then coordinate those guys with gps instruments to do the fine tuning and the new features.
Err.. anyways - apologies for speaking up there - I honestly have been quite clueless about the OSM/Freemap project for the past year or so - really hope someone can give a good update on it at the meet tho .. would love to be able to / know how to "go do some mapping" ...
http://openstreetmap.org <-------- wiki has details on how to use potlatch and josm. If you need any help just mail the list, I will help you out. Remember the old proverb - 'A road a day keeps the big G away'
On 21-Jun-08, at 11:23 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
http://openstreetmap.org <-------- wiki has details on how to use potlatch and josm. If you need any help just mail the list, I will help you out. Remember the old proverb - 'A road a day keeps the big G away'
further to my previous mail, I was looking at your area in the potlatch editor. All the data is AND data and not very accurate compared to the yahoo satellite imagery in the back ground. The roads all go through buildings, but it is fairly easy to realign these. Also I see a stadium on the east, very easy to mark that too. All you need to do is register and login
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=19.06334&lon=72.83185&zoom=16
I just adjusted 14th and 15th road a bit. I notice that on the map Vitalbhai Patel road is shown to the west of the stadium whereas the satellite map shows the same road to the east of the stadium. I am sure you would be able to locate the KFC on the map and mark it. It is slow tedious work, but well worth the effort
On Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 10:55:29AM +0530, Rony wrote:
FOSS is a different game altogether. In Windows you can simply be a service provider and the client is supposed to know how the software works on his own and he takes the initiative to do so.
Not to question you or something but I didn't get this one, if you're just providing the product and finishing out there, how are you the service provider?
On Saturday 21 Jun 2008 13:47, Mehul Ved wrote:
On Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 10:55:29AM +0530, Rony wrote:
FOSS is a different game altogether. In Windows you can simply be a service provider and the client is supposed to know how the software works on his own and he takes the initiative to do so.
Not to question you or something but I didn't get this one, if you're just providing the product and finishing out there, how are you the service provider?
Rony means a reseller and mantainence service provider. If you are a linux service provider, you would also have to provide training as one of the services. The vast majority of users are clueless even on a doze box, but do not know that. If they have a problem they can phone another clueless friend who will lead them to the final solution (reinstall). However If you are correctly accounting for the costs, you will realise the massive inefficiency with doze and hence would be willing to incur the pain of retraining. With small businesses and individuals, this costing is never easy if at all attempted.
Recent story: A friend of our business associate has about 20 pcs and his hardware provider who also doubles up as the software expert spends several hrs almost daily sorting problems. Since the business is used to the "free" service from the hardware guy, who recommends better hardware every few months and has to run ever faster to keep things falling apart, nothing will change. The friend was surprised to know from our associate that we never need an AV or reinstall.
As far as the incompatibilities go, try complaining to M$, who by the way are busy changing the specs disclosed earlier as part of a DOJ ordered solution to the cases against market restricting tactics practised by them, WITHOUT informing the court.
In short Rony's solution of forgetting about users not pissed off with doze is the simple workable option.
Mehul Ved wrote:
On Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 10:55:29AM +0530, Rony wrote:
FOSS is a different game altogether. In Windows you can simply be a service provider and the client is supposed to know how the software works on his own and he takes the initiative to do so.
Not to question you or something but I didn't get this one, if you're just providing the product and finishing out there, how are you the service provider?
Everything is a service.
jtd wrote:
In short Rony's solution of forgetting about users not pissed off with doze is the simple workable option.
Many a times it is the users who piss me off and I feel they really don't deserve FOSS. Youngsters seem to be more receptive to new ideologies than the older ones. However *all* my customers know about the concept of freedom, privacy of data and why FOSS is slim, trim and virus free. Ever since I came to know how POSIX is a necessary standard, they are given a briefing on that too. Finally they have to decide their path. Every time there is a problem in doze, I keep reminding them that this would not have happened if they used FOSS.
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
jtd wrote:
In short Rony's solution of forgetting about users not pissed off with doze is the simple workable option.
Many a times it is the users who piss me off and I feel they really don't deserve FOSS. Youngsters seem to be more receptive to new ideologies than the older ones. However *all* my customers know about the concept of freedom, privacy of data and why FOSS is slim, trim and virus free. Ever since I came to know how POSIX is a necessary standard, they are given a briefing on that too. Finally they have to decide their path. Every time there is a problem in doze, I keep reminding them that this would not have happened if they used FOSS.
Prolly,if they see you around regularly,they might remember to ask you about "that FOSS thing you keep talking about" :)This is just a random thought,because I honestly don't know how frequently your users see/meet you.
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
jtd wrote:
In short Rony's solution of forgetting about users not pissed off with doze is the simple workable option.
Many a times it is the users who piss me off and I feel they really don't deserve FOSS. Youngsters seem to be more receptive to new ideologies than the older ones. However *all* my customers know about the concept of freedom, privacy of data and why FOSS is slim, trim and virus free. Ever since I came to know how POSIX is a necessary standard, they are given a briefing on that too. Finally they have to decide their path. Every time there is a problem in doze, I keep reminding them that this would not have happened if they used FOSS.
Prolly,if they see you around regularly,they might remember to ask you about "that FOSS thing you keep talking about" :)This is just a random thought,because I honestly don't know how frequently your users see/meet you.
They hardly see me because as a service provider, it is my responsibility to keep their systems up and running with minimum breakdowns. I cannot be in many places at the same time so their systems have to be running smoothly.
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Easwar Hariharan wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
jtd wrote:
In short Rony's solution of forgetting about users not pissed off with doze is the simple workable option.
Many a times it is the users who piss me off and I feel they really don't deserve FOSS. Youngsters seem to be more receptive to new ideologies than the older ones. However *all* my customers know about the concept of freedom, privacy of data and why FOSS is slim, trim and virus free. Ever since I came to know how POSIX is a necessary standard, they are given a briefing on that too. Finally they have to decide their path. Every time there is a problem in doze, I keep reminding them that this would not have happened if they used FOSS.
Prolly,if they see you around regularly,they might remember to ask you
about
"that FOSS thing you keep talking about" :)This is just a random thought,because I honestly don't know how frequently your users see/meet you.
They hardly see me because as a service provider, it is my responsibility to keep their systems up and running with minimum breakdowns. I cannot be in many places at the same time so their systems have to be running smoothly.
Most of them are enterprise people?
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
don't deserve FOSS. Youngsters seem to be more receptive to new ideologies than the older ones. However *all* my customers know about
True, if you compare with the older bunch, there's obviously more youngsters willing to accept new technologies. But as a contra view, I've met so many youngsters (engineers, might I add) who are the first to dismiss Linux as 'not user friendly' just because they were forced to use it for some project and it didn't quite behave like windows. Even telling them that my sister has figured out how to do everything on Mandriva on her laptop (she's a psychologist, not even close to being a techie) wouldn't convince them -- they'd say that I'm fibbing and hold on to their very dear impression they had made (or heard about -- shocker isn't it?) years ago.
But at the same time, people at work were surprised last year when I made some art for our UI using some hippy software called GIMP -- they thought Photoshop was the only thing that could do such beautiful things. People had started to adopt it since it's also apparently a bit easier to use compared to Photoshop until our client decided to not authorize its use for reasons best known to them. Our Analysts find OOo Draw very useful to draw charts and design specs, but nobody wants to use Writer or Calc since they'll have to give up the comfort zone of Word and Excel.
The only libre software that seems to have truly global acceptance is Mozilla Firefox. I guess marketing matters more than anything else.
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
They hardly see me because as a service provider, it is my responsibility to keep their systems up and running with minimum breakdowns. I cannot be in many places at the same time so their systems have to be running smoothly.
Get more people in team. Or clone yourself.
Hi Sanjay,
I plan on attending todays meeting. I tried to add my name to the wiki but editing the page was blocked.
Rgds, Arun Khan
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote: to dismiss Linux as 'not user friendly' just because they were forced to use it for some project and it didn't quite behave like windows.
or may be because they dont get to play half-life , CS and all on GNU/Linux!
being a techie) wouldn't convince them -- they'd say that I'm fibbing and hold on to their very dear impression they had made (or heard about -- shocker isn't it?) years ago.
But at the same time, people at work were surprised last year when I made some art for our UI using some hippy software called GIMP -- they thought Photoshop was the only thing that could do such beautiful things. People had started to adopt it since it's also apparently a bit easier to use compared to Photoshop until our client decided to not authorize its use for reasons best known to them. Our Analysts find OOo Draw very useful to draw charts and design specs, but nobody wants to use Writer or Calc since they'll have to give up the comfort zone of Word and Excel.
The only libre software that seems to have truly global acceptance is Mozilla Firefox. I guess marketing matters more than anything else.
*It sure does, always.*
On Saturday 21 Jun 2008 22:54, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
The only libre software that seems to have truly global acceptance is Mozilla Firefox. I guess marketing matters more than anything else.
Maybe it's cause the web is still more or less standards compliant for the parts that most users use.
Also I have found that quoting just abv a closed solution, then allowing the customer to bargain just below works best. Phukat gets you a derisive "another free simcardwalla" look. So dont even offer a cd for free. People only value things when they pay an arm and leg.
jtd wrote:
On Saturday 21 Jun 2008 22:54, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
The only libre software that seems to have truly global acceptance is Mozilla Firefox. I guess marketing matters more than anything else.
Maybe it's cause the web is still more or less standards compliant for the parts that most users use.
Also I have found that quoting just abv a closed solution, then allowing the customer to bargain just below works best. Phukat gets you a derisive "another free simcardwalla" look. So dont even offer a cd for free. People only value things when they pay an arm and leg.
Very true! I have installed GNU/Linux on customers' machines for free, just for promotion and they don't have any value for it. They treat it as a demo and go back to doze as soon as they find it a different environment. They don't even bother to make an effort to understand it. Now I only give live demos and provide live CDs just to let them get the hang of it and that too, only to those who show a little interest.
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:16 AM, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote: to dismiss Linux as 'not user friendly' just because they were forced to use it for some project and it didn't quite behave like windows.
or may be because they dont get to play half-life , CS and all on GNU/Linux!
Quite opposite actually,CSS and Hald-Life,WoW play with better frame rates in GNU/Linux than Doze. Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Easwar Hariharan meindian523@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:16 AM, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote: to dismiss Linux as 'not user friendly' just because they were forced to use it for some project and it didn't quite behave like windows.
or may be because they dont get to play half-life , CS and all on GNU/Linux!
Quite opposite actually,CSS and Hald-Life,WoW play with better frame rates in GNU/Linux than Doze.
err.. CS! aah! i am not aware if that can be done.. i am sure at least half of the gaming population in my area would shift over to GNU/Linux if that can be done! :)
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:37 PM, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Easwar Hariharan meindian523@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:16 AM, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote: to dismiss Linux as 'not user friendly' just because they were forced to use it for some project and it didn't quite behave like windows.
or may be because they dont get to play half-life , CS and all on GNU/Linux!
Quite opposite actually,CSS and Hald-Life,WoW play with better frame
rates
in GNU/Linux than Doze.
err.. CS! aah! i am not aware if that can be done.. i am sure at least half of the gaming population in my area would shift over to GNU/Linux if that can be done! :)
Through wine of course.
http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Steam&b...
I think this one is basically a mirror: http://blog.linuxoss.com/2007/02/07/wine-gaming-steam-half-life-half-life-2-...
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
hello all. there are a few points on which I would surely like to comment. firstly I *TOTALLY AGREE* with JTD that nothing should be given for free. I and Nagarjun did experience this last year in an exhibition in SIES college where we created a set of one ubuntu cd and 2 apt-on cds (3 cd set ) in all and packed it nicely in a cardboard box with an installation and basic migration/ manual. we sold it for Rs. 75 and only those who were convinced and interested purchased the cd. not only that, they did write back to me on email and even contacted me for solutions on problems they faced. They are now complete ubuntu users and the number is 45 users in all. I have ever since tried this experiment in 3 more places including Bal vividha done by comet media foundation and a couple of other exhibitions in nagpur and nasik. all gave me similar results. secondly, if my customers don't realise the power (forget freedom and idealogy for a while), then it is nither the mistake of free software and its supreme quality nor the customer. it is the vehicle that is at falt and I am not ashamed to admit that I have done this mistake a couple of years back when trying to promote free software in a big company. but last year I tried in that same paper mil in rahuri and the people who were actually fighting tooth and nail for keeping free software away, eventually became biggest supporters of the same. and now I know arun khan on this list also had a similar experience. I believe having good knowledge and communicating the right tips and tricks at the right moment during a demo is the key. talk the "aam aadmi ki bhasha " and let people into a smooth migration which includes having good knowledge of document transfer and things like formula etc in a spread sheet. make people realise how bad their own experiences have been, this needs to take a bit of insight of what problems they must have so far faced. Eventually there is one point where the freedom aspect actually meats the practicalness. it is our job then to find this meeting point and properly emphasise on that point and let the client understand things which they just can't do in windows for example. and most of you would agree that for most tasks today windows is an absolutely rubbish option. For example the links list and headings list option in mozilla firefox, which I demonstrated in the last lug is just a dream for ie users. people can be told that this is just one extention which gives such a rich web experience. there are so many extentions and they keep on growing just because u as a customer has a "say " in the free software world. Then there is the common question of "how easy it is?" my question is "how easy can we make it for our customer"? again the key is communication and how smoothly we can bring the customer to shed his mentel blockage that "afterall microsoft is microsoft. it has not become popular just like that?". so these are a few things which can help future service providers. I don't want to flame roni or any one else. but again it will be our approach which makes customer go this way or that way. give me a new customer who knows nothing about computers, I promis I will make him feel a fool using windows. it is the matter of how we present things. happy hacking. Krishnakant.
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:49 PM, krishnakant Mane researchbase@gmail.com wrote:
hello all. there are a few points on which I would surely like to comment. firstly I *TOTALLY AGREE* with JTD that nothing should be given for free. I and Nagarjun did experience this last year in an exhibition in SIES college where we created a set of one ubuntu cd and 2 apt-on cds (3 cd set ) in all and packed it nicely in a cardboard box with an installation and basic migration/ manual.
I lost you right about here. Try to keep the reply short. It serves everybody's purpose.
krishnakant Mane wrote:
Then there is the common question of "how easy it is?" my question is "how easy can we make it for our customer"? again the key is communication and how smoothly we can bring the customer to shed his mentel blockage that "afterall microsoft is microsoft. it has not become popular just like that?". so these are a few things which can help future service providers. I don't want to flame roni or any one else. but again it will be our approach which makes customer go this way or that way. give me a new customer who knows nothing about computers, I promis I will make him feel a fool using windows. it is the matter of how we present things. happy hacking.
Could you provide a documentation on the different types of migration that you have carried out. Something like a how-to. I need inputs on how people moved from commercial industry packages in the following below. How do they deal and interact with their suppliers and customers with the new data formats.
1) graphics and 3D 2) audio video editing 3) drafting 4) Tally 5) Custom made inventory-invoicing packages (for windows) 6) share market trading software.
vividha done by comet media foundation and a couple of other exhibitions in nagpur and nasik. all gave me similar results.
When did you come to Nagpur? Next time give me a ring on 9763711361, I would love to meet you.
Sorry for 'off topic'
Warm Regards,
Mukund Deshmukh, Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd. 10/1 IT Park, Parsodi, Nagpur -440022 India. Web site - http://betacomp.com
Meet us at Booth I102, Taipei PLAS 2008, Sept 18-22 , Taiwan.
On Tuesday 24 Jun 2008 23:49, krishnakant Mane wrote:
secondly, if my customers don't realise the power (forget freedom and idealogy for a while),
Freedom equates to no vendor lock-in. If you are speaking to managment types, talk of the downside of vendor lockin. If you are speaking to IT boneheads talk of availability of source code and customization. The actual user does not care about anything other than leaving office at 6 p.m. and playing mp3s and chatting in between.
Since every commercial enterprise is in an exploitation rat race, restrictions from exploitation are seen as poison pills and the exact opposite of the entrepreneur spirit. However showing em how to unravel their own vulnerability to exploitation is all very well.
And ofcourse the ultimate bottomline No Money no Honey.
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