29 Dec
2006
29 Dec
'06
3:25 p.m.
Hello All,
I am planning to start the DTP process after some days so please provide
your inputs by the next 7 days. Please do check out the last paragraph
on why linux is not popular and check if anything invites trouble from
manufacturers or if anything extra needs to be added. The first
paragraph about contributions and licences appears to be balanced so no
further editing may be required. I am actually going to distribute these
brochures so please help in getting the page contents finalised within a
week. Another important thing is.......what about mentioning this list
in the brochure and do we have any logos to go with it. I want to show
it as a LUG-BOM effort.
http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Brochure_Quick_Guide
Regards,
Rony.
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30 Dec
30 Dec
1:39 a.m.
On 29-Dec-06, at 8:55 PM, Rony wrote:
I am planning to start the DTP process after some days
so please
provide your inputs by the next 7 days.
brochure as such is now more or less ready. Now we need to jazz it up
for marketing. I think rony said A4 with two folds. Which gives front
cover, back cover, and 4 pages for matter. Front cover needs to have
minimal matter with some slogans - things like, No-Virus, No Upgrade
Charges -Stable - 40,000 software packages. The back cover needs
resources like where to get CDs, some hardware specs - maybe a small
box for 'Linux Friendly Hardware Vendor' where vendors can put their
address stamp.
As for DTP part, the simplest way is to start scribus and choose one
of the two brochure templates and modify it. Since we have two draft
brochures, we can work on both at the same time. Once the two are
finalised we can do the translations - i can guarantee tamil, and I
suppose Marathi and Gujarathi will follow automatically. Is hindi
needed? I would suggest that the local language translations follow
what is done in the local language translations of popular domestic
appliance manuals - less of classic language and more of english
terms mixed in - as parthan said - like how people talk.
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
lawgon(a)au-kbc.org
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
3:43 p.m.
Sometime Today, Kenneth Gonsalves assembled some asciibets to say:
brochure as such is now more or less ready. Now we
need to jazz it up for
marketing. I think rony said A4 with two folds. Which gives front cover, back
cover, and 4 pages for matter. Front cover needs to have minimal matter with
some slogans - things like, No-Virus, No Upgrade Charges -Stable - 40,000
software packages. The back cover needs resources like where to get CDs, some
I'd suggest looking at the firefox posters/publicity pages, and the
happybrowse website for inspiration.
6:52 p.m.
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
As for DTP part, the simplest way is to start scribus and choose one of
the two brochure templates and modify it.
Scribus is very nice. Is there any public place where I can upload the 2
page files for others to have a look? One problem is that the text is
too lengthy to fit into 6 columns of text on both sides of an A4 size
landscape paper with a 1 cm border around them (2 cm between the
columns). And I have not even included the cover and back page. So what
other paper size would suffice and with what column space?
Regards,
Rony.
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10:26 p.m.
Sometime on Sunday 31 December 2006 00:22, Rony said:
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
email the tar.gz files to me. i'll put them up in your directory on
db.glug-bom.org server.
Anurag
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(recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.
As for DTP part, the simplest way is to start
scribus and choose one of
the two brochure templates and modify it.
Scribus is very nice. Is there any public place where I can upload the 2
page files for others to have a look? One problem is that the text is 
31 Dec
31 Dec
4:15 a.m.
On 12/30/06, Rony <ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
Also have a look at The Linux Brochure Project (
http://lbproject.sourceforge.net/).
They have used LaTeX. We can learn a thing or two from them.
As for DTP part, the simplest way is to start scribus and choose one of
the two brochure templates and modify it.
Scribus is very nice.
7:09 a.m.
On 31-Dec-06, at 9:45 AM, Aseem Rane wrote:
Also have a look at The Linux Brochure Project (
http://lbproject.sourceforge.net/).
They have used LaTeX. We can learn a thing or two from them.
awesome - unfortunately we have to accomodate our friends from the
FSF here, which makes our brochure somewhat lengthier - apparently
freedom is not under threat in Canada
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
lawgon(a)au-kbc.org
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
6:31 a.m.
On 31-Dec-06, at 12:22 AM, Rony wrote:
Scribus is very nice. Is there any public place where
I can upload
the 2 page files for others to have a look?
put it in the wiki itself - make a separate page for it and link from
the brochure page
One problem is that the text is too lengthy to fit
into 6 columns
of text on both sides of an A4 size landscape paper with a 1 cm
border around them (2 cm between the columns). And I have not even
included the cover and back page. So what other paper size would
suffice and with what column space?
A3 is no good, because a lot of printers dont handle that. The other
alternative is A4, landscape, single fold - two sheets, which gives
you 8 pages. But you would need to staple ... I think it is worth it
- matter can be spread out more and more whitespace included.
Whitespace is very important in formatting anything
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
lawgon(a)au-kbc.org
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
6:43 a.m.
hello all.
I have finally gone through the entire document and would like to
suggest some changes.
I wanted feedback so that I don't edit it before.
firstly,
look at the following section.
---
Free and Open source means that the program code which is written to
create the operating system or any other software, is available to
anyone to download,
try out and correct. This results in the creation of a very robust and
secure program or software. The original code is freely available for
reuse, programmers
from all over the world can create more and more software packages,
thus adding increased functionality to the system. Open source also
helps in modification
of existing softwares into small customised versions for use in
various electronic devices like mobile phones, PDAs, television
set-top boxes, broadband
ADSL modems etc. Opening the source of software has also helped in the
creation of huge computer networks called 'farms' for making full
length 3D animation
films in the entertainment industry. Due to its design, high security
is built in by default. Hence
Linux
is completely immune to all viruses, trojans and spyware that plague
most of the Windows(R) systems. This is one of the most important
reason why one should
immediately switch to
Linux.
---
we also need to mention the fact that the cost of developing such
softwares can be distributed.
for example if we are aware that there is a demand for a particular
software and there are about 100 clients ready, we work out the cost.
the cost comes out to be rs. 100000/- as a minimum. now what we can
tell the customers is that they just need to pay rs 100/-
individually. as a result the developers get their money for the work
and the customers get a very high quality software at a cheep rate.
I think we need to give such example which impacts a normal
(non-programmer) kind of a user.
this is because people may ask "I am not a programmer, how does this
freedom effect me? I am not going to modify the source any ways!"
secondly, I think we need to clearify the filesystem difference even
more. for example in windows we have c: d: etc so the file system is
leanier. there are more than one roots. so any one who has put his/
her file on c: can be accessed by any one.
but in gnu/linux there is just one root and /home/user1 can't do any
thing with the files of /home/user2 (home is the place where all users
stay)
also explain in proper details why linux can't catch virus etc. the
executables r own by a user and in a particular session they might be
used by a user. so the security is so tight that unless you don't
have the root user permission, you can't even enter into some
directories, let alone currupting some files!
regards
Krishnakant.
7 a.m.
On 31-Dec-06, at 12:13 PM, krishnakant Mane wrote:
I have finally gone through the entire document and
would like to
suggest some changes.
I wanted feedback so that I don't edit it before.
i would suggest that you put these in the long form of the brochure
under appropriate headings. The short form is already becoming too long
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
lawgon(a)au-kbc.org
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
7 a.m.
dear kenneth,
I did not get what you are trying to say.
what is short form and long form?
further I need some help to edit the document.
rony, will you please help me do that?
I an mnot very good at html any ways.
I can either give plain text, LaTeX or pdf.
regards.
Krishnakant.
7:17 a.m.
Sometime Today, krishnakant Mane assembled some asciibets to say:
further I need some help to edit the document.
rony, will you please help me do that?
I an mnot very good at html any ways.
I can either give plain text, LaTeX or pdf.
well, mediawiki uses plain text only. you don't have to (and in fact
should not) use HTML to edit a mediawiki page.
7:21 a.m.
On 31-Dec-06, at 12:30 PM, krishnakant Mane wrote:
dear kenneth,
I did not get what you are trying to say.
what is short form and long form?
further I need some help to edit the document.
rony, will you please help me do that?
I an mnot very good at html any ways.
I can either give plain text, LaTeX or pdf.
regards.
there are three alternate documents for the brochure. The first is
the long form which is very elaborate and will not be printed - more
an online reference as 'everything you ever wanted to know about
linux in India but didnt know where to ask'. That is here:
http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Brochure
the second is the quick guide which is to be printed. That is here:
http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Brochure_Quick_Guide
and the third is an alternate quick guide, without the idealogical
debate in the previous two which is here:
http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Brochure_Alternate
there is also a compilation of slogans which is here:
http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Slogans_for_the_Brochure
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
lawgon(a)au-kbc.org
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
9:11 a.m.
krishnakant Mane wrote:
hello all.
I have finally gone through the entire document and would like to
suggest some changes.
I wanted feedback so that I don't edit it before.
firstly,
look at the following section.
---
Free and Open source means that the program code which is written to
create the operating system or any other software, is available to
anyone to download,
try out and correct. This results in the creation of a very robust and
secure program or software. The original code is freely available for
reuse, programmers
from all over the world can create more and more software packages,
thus adding increased functionality to the system. Open source also
helps in modification
of existing softwares into small customised versions for use in
various electronic devices like mobile phones, PDAs, television
set-top boxes, broadband
ADSL modems etc. Opening the source of software has also helped in the
creation of huge computer networks called 'farms' for making full
length 3D animation
films in the entertainment industry. Due to its design, high security
is built in by default. Hence
Linux
is completely immune to all viruses, trojans and spyware that plague
most of the Windows(R) systems. This is one of the most important
reason why one should
immediately switch to
Linux.
---
we also need to mention the fact that the cost of developing such
softwares can be distributed.
for example if we are aware that there is a demand for a particular
software and there are about 100 clients ready, we work out the cost.
the cost comes out to be rs. 100000/- as a minimum. now what we can
tell the customers is that they just need to pay rs 100/-
individually. as a result the developers get their money for the work
and the customers get a very high quality software at a cheep rate.
I think we need to give such example which impacts a normal
(non-programmer) kind of a user.
this is because people may ask "I am not a programmer, how does this
freedom effect me? I am not going to modify the source any ways!"
secondly, I think we need to clearify the filesystem difference even
more. for example in windows we have c: d: etc so the file system is
leanier. there are more than one roots. so any one who has put his/
her file on c: can be accessed by any one.
but in gnu/linux there is just one root and /home/user1 can't do any
thing with the files of /home/user2 (home is the place where all users
stay)
also explain in proper details why linux can't catch virus etc. the
executables r own by a user and in a particular session they might be
used by a user. so the security is so tight that unless you don't
have the root user permission, you can't even enter into some
directories, let alone currupting some files!
This information is good for the other detailed brochure thats on the
wiki too, :) where topics are explained in-depth. However for a
beginner's brochure it is too in-depth.
Regards,
Rony.
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9:05 a.m.
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> A3 is no good, because a lot of printers
dont handle that. The other
> alternative is A4, landscape, single fold - two sheets, which gives you
> 8 pages. But you would need to staple ... I think it is worth it -
> matter can be spread out more and more whitespace included. Whitespace
> is very important in formatting anything
>
Is it ok if I use a full page A4 portrait brochure? That way I gain more
trying space than the landscape one with muliple columns, as they need
spacing too. I need space for pictures too. Is a normal A4 page good
looking for presentation?
Regards,
Rony.
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9:35 a.m.
Rony wrote:
That way I gain more trying space than the
Its 'typing' space. Sorry about the typo.
Regards,
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1 Jan
3:16 a.m.
On 31-Dec-06, at 2:35 PM, Rony wrote:
Is it ok if I use a full page A4 portrait brochure?
That way I gain
more trying space than the landscape one with muliple columns, as
they need spacing too. I need space for pictures too. Is a normal
A4 page good looking for presentation?
no - it isnt cool
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
lawgon(a)au-kbc.org
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
6:10 a.m.
On 31/12/06, Aseem Rane <aseemrane(a)gmail.com> wrote:
How about a snap of Tux with following caption?
"I was born free! No Gates and Windows can restrict my Freedom!!" :)
hey
aseem! that's great.
that way we are making people understand one thing, windows is not
free and is not transperent to tell you every thing that you need.
and by not taking any one's name we are not even inviting trouble.
but I will suggest the issue of virus and stability be highlighted on the top.
"welcome to the virus free, stable and powerful world of freedom".
just ending this email with a joke I created when I was traveling to
delhi and was explaining some one the dis advantages of windows
crapware.
"do you know what is the full form of windows?" "WINDOWS = Where I
Never Do Operations With Safety"
chears.
Krishnakant.
ps:
Aseem, I am back in mumbai now and will contact you soon.
6:42 a.m.
On 31-Dec-06, at 9:52 AM, Aseem Rane wrote:
get real. this is marketing, not politics. And Rony has practical
experience, everyday experience in marketing - we need slogans that
will appeal to the target audience, not stuff to make ourselves happy
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
lawgon(a)au-kbc.org
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
Front cover
needs to have minimal matter with some slogans
How about a snap of Tux with following caption?
"I was born free! No Gates and Windows can restrict my Freedom!!" :)
6:55 a.m.
On 31/12/06, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:
get real. this is marketing, not politics. And Rony has practical
experience, everyday experience in marketing - we need slogans that
will appeal to the target audience, not stuff to make ourselves happy
that's
why the fact that cost effective software with absolutely no
virus and spyware problems and no stability issues must be on our
highlights. the most important question that will time and again come
is "why does a virus free secured and stable system with all the
software come free? how is it possible that humans are so unselfish
to give it out for free?"
we need to carefully address the issue. because if we say "by free we
mean freedom not price" we are essentially loosing the ground of no
cost software vs m$ and high cost.
and if we do build up marketing policy on total ownership cost, just
remember m$ gives out free cds of windows and office to many
institutes and organisations. and again the above mentioned question
of "how is such a good thing free?" will come up.
think carefully about striking a balance between these two paradoxical
situations.
and yes if we are stressing on the fact that it is actually not free
as in free beer, then we must prove that the quality is 100 times
better. this is where no virus issue can be stressed and also we need
to clear the mith which goes "linux has no virus because it is not
commonly used".
I need not mention who is spreading this rubbish shit amongst less
knowledgeable people.
regards.
Krishnakant.
7:15 a.m.
On 31-Dec-06, at 12:25 PM, krishnakant Mane wrote:
right - we have to also distinguish between marketing and propaganda.
Marketing is essentially giving the public what it needs. So we
highlight those aspects of our product that will appeal to the public
- low toc, no virus, stable, etc etc. Propaganda is aimed at
educating the public - freedom etc etc comes there.
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
lawgon(a)au-kbc.org
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
will appeal to
the target audience, not stuff to make ourselves happy
that's why the fact that
cost effective software with absolutely no
virus and spyware problems and no stability issues must be on our
highlights. the most important question that will time and again come
is "why does a virus free secured and stable system with all the
software come free? how is it possible that humans are so unselfish
to give it out for free?" 
7:04 a.m.
On 12/31/06, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:
get real. this is marketing, not politics. And Rony
has practical
experience, everyday experience in marketing - we need slogans that
will appeal to the target audience, not stuff to make ourselves happy
I've made
a section where you can put in suggestions for slogans. I've
pitched in with a few myself.
I was thinking of ways to segment the audience according to their
specific needs, thus targeting them better. Please let me know what
you guys think of it.
Regards,
--
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http://siddhesh.tk
7:23 a.m.
On 31-Dec-06, at 12:34 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
I was thinking of ways to segment the audience
according to their
specific needs, thus targeting them better. Please let me know what
you guys think of it.
cool - just thinking of writing a small app that will create
brochures on the fly from a database, depending on need
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
lawgon(a)au-kbc.org
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
7:26 a.m.
Sometime Today, Kenneth Gonsalves assembled some asciibets to say:
cool - just thinking of writing a small app that will
create brochures
on the fly from a database, depending on need
such an app already exists. it's called the nonsense generator (search
freshmeat for nonsense). You provide it with a template and a bunch of
terms/phrases. It can tie the two together at random.
8:29 a.m.
Hi all,
The brochure looks nice and seems easy to understand . Good work !!
Apart from freedom ( free as in freedom ) can we also consider
"cost-effectiveness" of Linux / Linux based software solutions ?
* Common people:
Linux offers everything that proprietary OSes have to offer ... in fact
it offers much more.
(This point is well covered in the brochure)
* Universities / Colleges :
They can eliminate the costs of the various licensed software required ...
and spend the meagre resourses on other things.
* Industry:
An example to quote , one of my seniors wanted to draw UML diagrams ... and
Rational Rose software costs $ 7500 ( I am not sure about the figure )
. I suggested him to use Umbrello and that did the the job for him
without spending a dollar. I am sure there are thousand of such examples.
Very certainly , the software companies can reduce their costs and
maximize if they switch to free or low cost software ... the very
principle of outsourcing is low cost.
* Defence and strategic industries:
Free ( both as in freedom and low cost ) is essential for them to survive.
The benefits of Linux for different user groups like the few examples given
above can be highlighted.
Also, may be quotations of very popular people who endorse open software (
eg President Kalam ) can be included to make the presentation more
effective.
Regards,
Sourabh
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9:31 a.m.
saurabh daptardar wrote:
Apart from freedom ( free as in freedom ) can we also consider
"cost-effectiveness" of Linux / Linux based software solutions ?
We can add a line to mention that the Linux OS is available on the net
for free downloads. To install it, the user can do it him/herself or
hire the services of an expert. This puts both issues of freedom to
install and no free service in place.
Regards,
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10:11 a.m.
On Sunday 31 December 2006 15:01, Rony wrote:
saurabh daptardar wrote:
Not with 400MB download limits the average users face.
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Apart from freedom ( free as in freedom ) can we
also consider
"cost-effectiveness" of Linux / Linux based software solutions ?
We can add a line to mention that the Linux OS is available on the net
for free downloads. To install it, the user can do it him/herself or
hire the services of an expert. This puts both issues of freedom to
install and no free service in place.
10:08 a.m.
On Sunday 31 December 2006 12:12, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 31-Dec-06, at 9:52 AM, Aseem Rane wrote:
get real. this is marketing, not politics. And Rony has practical
experience, everyday experience in marketing - we need slogans that
will appeal to the target audience, not stuff to make ourselves happy
We can rid you of viruses, spyware, reinstallations, blue screens, pirated
software and crashes at nil or minimum cost.
Make sure you know the target audience. People you're targetting don't care
about freedom. Teach them freedom once they've adapted to your software.
Quality software and not free software is what will convert Windows "Users".
We are not talking about CS students who want to dig up the source code.
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Front
cover needs to have minimal matter with some slogans
How about a snap of Tux with following caption?
"I was born free! No Gates and Windows can restrict my Freedom!!" :)
12:31 p.m.
On 31/12/06, Mrugesh Karnik <mrugeshkarnik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
We can rid you of viruses, spyware, reinstallations, blue screens, pirated
software and crashes at nil or minimum cost.
very good one. or as I said before,
"gnulinux is virus free, stable,
robust and most importantly cost effective." or "virus free, stable
and powerful system with no license charge. only pay for services not
for your license rights".
Make sure you know the target audience. People
you're targetting don't care
about freedom. Teach them freedom once they've adapted to your software.
very
true mrujesh. this is what I was refering to when I spoke about
striking a balance between the cost issue and the freedom issue.
remember that people will always ask you "if the software is free, why
do people charge for installation etc?" and "if it is so high quality
how it is free? there is some secret hidden!" believe it or not this
is what we all will face. and we better be prepared to answer it
(which I believe we are)
Quality software and not free software is what will
convert Windows "Users".
exactly right mrujesh. if I was the director of
KBC, I would give you
maximum for this. see, firstly people care a dam for license because
laws in India are not strict. secondly that same paradox comes to my
mind time and time again. if this is what windows gives us then why
is linux given to us free? this is the place where high quality comes
in. may be linux installation costs you about 1000 for example.
firstly in that 1000 you get every thing and secondly you hardly need
any maintainance services if any.
I think quality and security issues will naturally spread fud against
windows which is really needed to convert users.
I think 40% stress must be on cost effectiveness and the rest 60% on
quality quality and only quality. in that too I feel security must
come on the topline and then the wide amount of packages next on the
list. some times or rather most of the times these packages are much
much better in quality than the ones available on windows.
again as mrujesh said quality!
and most importantly, be flexible. at times we will need to talk
mostly about cost effectiveness specially in cases of NGOs and schools
for poor children. in such cases cost becomes major issue. so we
need to well balance the document. just go back a few emails where I
have given my guidelines. as a former reporter of Indian Express and
Mid-day, I am giving my views which can help make the brochure totally
questionless.
We are not talking about CS students who want to dig
up the source code.
right. and although we do, just tell me how many out of them
would
actually have the time, gutts and willingness to do it?
so we should put the open source and free license issue in this way.
"if development cost is to be recovered for a particular software,
distribute the cost over the willing customers. since the license is
free for any one, all contributores or even non-contributers are
leagul customers of the software."
regards.
Krishnakant.
9:32 a.m.
Aseem Rane wrote:
On 12/29/06, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:
Its quite naughty. ;) We could avoid the No gates... part.
Regards,
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Front cover needs to have minimal matter with some slogans
How about a snap of Tux with following caption?
"I was born free! No Gates and Windows can restrict my Freedom!!" :)
10:12 a.m.
On Sunday 31 December 2006 15:02, Rony wrote:
Aseem Rane wrote:
I think the original was "In a world without walls, who needs Windows and
Gates?"
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On 12/29/06, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:
Its quite naughty. ;) We could avoid the No gates... part. Front cover needs to have minimal matter with
some slogans
How about a snap of Tux with following caption?
"I was born free! No Gates and Windows can restrict my Freedom!!" :)
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