27 Aug
2010
27 Aug
'10
4:15 a.m.
Hi,
Have a simple question. How is this any diff than (ed)buntu.
Saw the small flash intro and it uses the same stock ubuntu screens even ubu
sw centre. Esp when it is available as a 690 mb live cd which this is for
abt 2 gb.
Will dw and give it a spin.
Again, the question is just abt understanding this and not to belittle any
of the efforts.
On Aug 27, 2010 8:08 AM, "pavithran s" <pavi.eu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 26 August 2010 10:57, Arun Khan <knura9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> India. *http://schoolos.org/get_is...
Very Funny !
You were able to paste the version number of your browser and DNS
server addresses but didn't notice a 'star' after HTML file !
Anyways nice to see distribution centres . It kind of sounds like BOSS
support centres ( which also more or less distribution centres) .
Another strange part is the list at http://schoolos.org/get_iso.html
is on a very poor resolution scanned image ! Why can't the data be put
up in a machine readable format ? Afraid of spam bots ? Please
consider people with screen readers .
Regards,
Pavithran
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27 Aug
4:46 a.m.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Brian D'Souza
<darksideofthemoon(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Does (ed)buntu come pre-packed with all the applications they have listed? I
believe most schools wouldn't want to spend time installing a lot of
software even if it's through an easy to use synaptic package manager. A
bundled distribution might appeal to them.
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Have a simple question. How is this any diff than
(ed)buntu.
<http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers>
5:40 a.m.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Brian D'Souza
<darksideofthemoon(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi,
Have a simple question. How is this any diff than (ed)buntu.
Two method to answer your question
1)
Go to any school ,
Take two system
, install EduUbuntu on one and SchoolOS on other
Go to school after 7 seven days, and ask the difference from those who use
them.
2) http://www.google.co.in/search?q=why+schoolos
6:49 p.m.
On Friday 27 August 2010 09:45 AM, Brian D'Souza wrote:
Hi,
Have a simple question. How is this any diff than (ed)buntu.
Saw the small flash intro and it uses the same stock ubuntu screens even ubu
sw centre. Esp when it is available as a 690 mb live cd which this is for
abt 2 gb.
Will dw and give it a spin.
Again, the question is just abt understanding this and not to belittle any
of the efforts.
You can post an installation and experience report on both systems.
Please have a look at my signature text too.
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8:11 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
You can post an installation and experience report on both systems.
Please have a look at my signature text too.
See, how many times I need to remind you all that schoolos is one stop
solution of schools where there is no Internet or tend to zero Internet
present.
It is biggest fault in the design in Linux Distro that NORMAL HUMAN BEING
can not copy/install VLC media player from linux system to another. HE has
to run Crappy yum command which sucks my life all the time even at good
speed internet.
I am not into debate mood and not proving that SchoolOS is best, but it has
a very good scope in biggest untouched field in education system. And one
day it will be highly used Linux Distro in India.
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28 Aug
28 Aug
2:30 a.m.
On Saturday 28 Aug 2010, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Rony
<gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
If you're promoting a product, the least you can do is give the
objective features of the product and provide some (again objective)
reasons why someone should use that product. "Install it and see" is
hardly a way to get people to use the OS.
I'd expect to see at least the following:
- Feature list
- Benefit list
- Comparison with other similar products
- Special features
- List of disadvantages, if any
- Support commitment
Which brings me to the other, critical issue: what is the commitment on
the future of this OS? How large is the organisation behind it? Is
there a defined road map?
Please don't view this as criticism or negativity, Narendra. In the
real world, these are questions that anyone will ask before committing
themselves to a relatively unknown product, and you must be prepared to
answer them. Hell, these are the easy ones! Go to anyone with some
experience in managing IT and see the sort of questions you face!
Regards,
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You can post an installation and experience
report on both systems.
Please have a look at my signature text too.
See, how many times I need to remind you all that schoolos is one
stop solution of schools where there is no Internet or tend to zero
Internet present.
It is biggest fault in the design in Linux Distro that NORMAL HUMAN
BEING can not copy/install VLC media player from linux system to
another. HE has to run Crappy yum command which sucks my life all
the time even at good speed internet.
I am not into debate mood and not proving that SchoolOS is best, but
it has a very good scope in biggest untouched field in education
system. And one day it will be highly used Linux Distro in India.
8:17 a.m.
2010/8/28 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) <raju(a)linux-delhi.org>
On Saturday 28 Aug 2010, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
It contains Ebooks,
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Rony
<gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
If you're promoting a product, the least you can do is give the
objective features of the product and provide some (again objective)
reasons why someone should use that product. "Install it and see" is
hardly a way to get people to use the OS.
I'd expect to see at least the following:
- Feature list
You can post an installation and experience
report on both systems.
Please have a look at my signature text too.
See, how many times I need to remind you all that schoolos is one
stop solution of schools where there is no Internet or tend to zero
Internet present.
It is biggest fault in the design in Linux Distro that NORMAL HUMAN
BEING can not copy/install VLC media player from linux system to
another. HE has to run Crappy yum command which sucks my life all
the time even at good speed internet.
I am not into debate mood and not proving that SchoolOS is best, but
it has a very good scope in biggest untouched field in education
system. And one day it will be highly used Linux Distro in India. - Benefit list
2GB is specially designed for School. Next version will be 4.2 GB bigger and
will contain lots of self explaining videos along with selected pages of
offline wikipedia.
- Comparison with other similar products
Other product do not comes with VLC , and many other stuff. We have done all
sort of customization which a user needs.
- Special features
right click scripts. For example, just select pdf from nautilus and right
click and click on join
similarly gettting ip, external ip, download here , pdfinto, pdfjoin,
imageconversion script are there at right click.
This list is very long. I listed a long list of operation for which a user
may need command line , I converted then into GUI applicatoins
- List of disadvantages, if any
NO.
- Support commitment
See are trying into this area. Support of Linux distro is one required in
India. SchoolOS will be covered. automatically.
Which brings me to the other, critical issue: what is
the commitment on
the future of this OS? How large is the organisation behind it? Is
there a defined road map?
Please don't view this as criticism or negativity, Narendra. In the
real world, these are questions that anyone will ask before committing
themselves to a relatively unknown product, and you must be prepared to
answer them. Hell, these are the easy ones! Go to anyone with some
experience in managing IT and see the sort of questions you face!
Raj, Point is not that I do not want to answer these queries but why
everytime. Many of these things have been discussed long back when we
announced it. Whenever I try to make any announcement , someone jump with
the statement like "why schoolos" , I totally discard them.
We did 6 episodes each 1 hour [2 month] on national TV on FOSS and
educational software. This was the first of its own kind of achievement.
This was possible only because SchoolOS.
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8:42 a.m.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya
<narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
Your team has done a great job. I would suggest you collate all the
questions/answers that you have fielded and put them on the official
website under appropriate headings. Then you can simply give an URL
and don't have to repeatedly answer on different mailing lists.
Best,
-- Arun Khan
2010/8/28 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर)
<raju(a)linux-delhi.org>
How? via Ubuntu updates? While using a LiveCD/DVD it may not be a
concern, it definitely is for an installed base.
If you're promoting a product, the least you
can do is give the
objective features of the product and provide some (again objective)
reasons why someone should use that product. "Install it and see" is
hardly a way to get people to use the OS.
I'd expect to see at least the following:
- Feature list
See are trying into this area. Support of Linux distro is one required in
India. SchoolOS will be covered. automatically. Which brings me to the other, critical issue:
what is the commitment on
the future of this OS? How large is the organisation behind it? Is
there a defined road map?
Please don't view this as criticism or negativity, Narendra. In the
real world, these are questions that anyone will ask before committing
themselves to a relatively unknown product, and you must be prepared to
answer them. Hell, these are the easy ones! Go to anyone with some
experience in managing IT and see the sort of questions you face!
Raj, Point is not that I do not want to answer these queries but why
everytime. Many of these things have been discussed long back when we
announced it. Whenever I try to make any announcement , someone jump with
the statement like "why schoolos" , I totally discard them.
9:55 a.m.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Arun Khan <knura9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Your team has done a great job. I would suggest you collate all the
questions/answers that you have fielded and put them on the official
website under appropriate headings. Then you can simply give an URL
and don't have to repeatedly answer on different mailing lists.
Best,
-- Arun Khan
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Thanks, I will do that.
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On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya
<narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
Support means, Vendor based support for installation and troubleshooting.
2010/8/28 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर)
<raju(a)linux-delhi.org>
How? via Ubuntu updates? While using a LiveCD/DVD it may not be a
concern, it definitely is for an installed base.
If you're promoting a product, the least you
can do is give the
objective features of the product and provide some (again objective)
reasons why someone should use that product. "Install it and see" is
hardly a way to get people to use the OS.
I'd expect to see at least the following:
- Feature list
See are trying into this area. Support of Linux distro is one required in
India. SchoolOS will be covered. automatically. Which brings me to the other, critical issue:
what is the commitment on
the future of this OS? How large is the organisation behind it? Is
there a defined road map?
Please don't view this as criticism or negativity, Narendra. In the
real world, these are questions that anyone will ask before committing
themselves to a relatively unknown product, and you must be prepared to
answer them. Hell, these are the easy ones! Go to anyone with some
experience in managing IT and see the sort of questions you face!
Raj, Point is not that I do not want to answer these queries but why
everytime. Many of these things have been discussed long back when we
announced it. Whenever I try to make any announcement , someone jump with
the statement like "why schoolos" , I totally discard them.
1:44 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Narendra Sisodiya
<narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Arun Khan
<knura9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
And who is that vendor - SchoolOS?
If the vendor is the system/network integrator then who will s/he turn
to fix the problems?
Most distributions have either paid or community support (mailing
list, web forums). I think it would be better to explicitly state
what kind of support is available and where to find them; especially
when the distro is targeting schools.
Please think through the issue of training and support to increase
the viability of the distro.
-- Arun Khan
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Narendra
Sisodiya
<narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
Support means, Vendor based support for installation and troubleshooting.
2010/8/28 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर)
<raju(a)linux-delhi.org>
How? via Ubuntu updates? While using a LiveCD/DVD it may not be a
concern, it definitely is for an installed base.
If you're promoting a product, the least you
can do is give the
objective features of the product and provide some (again objective)
reasons why someone should use that product. "Install it and see" is
hardly a way to get people to use the OS.
I'd expect to see at least the following:
- Feature list
See are trying into this area. Support of Linux distro is one required in
India. SchoolOS will be covered. automatically.
4:54 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Arun Khan <knura9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Narendra Sisodiya
<narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
Support means, Vendor based support for installation and troubleshooting.
And who is that vendor - SchoolOS?
No.. We are looking into this issue that how we can create a support
mechanism.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Arun Khan
<knura9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya
> <narendra(a)narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
> > 2010/8/28 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) <raju(a)linux-delhi.org>
> >
> >
> >> If you're promoting a product, the least you can do is give the
> >> objective features of the product and provide some (again objective)
> >> reasons why someone should use that product. "Install it and see"
is
> >> hardly a way to get people to use the OS.
> >>
> >> I'd expect to see at least the following:
> >>
> >> - Feature list
> >>
> >
> > See are trying into this area. Support of Linux distro is one required
in
India. SchoolOS will be covered. automatically.
How? via Ubuntu updates? While using a LiveCD/DVD it may not be a
concern, it definitely is for an installed base.
If the vendor is the system/network integrator then
who will s/he turn
to fix the problems?
Most distributions have either paid or community support (mailing
list, web forums). I think it would be better to explicitly state
what kind of support is available and where to find them; especially
when the distro is targeting schools.
Please think through the issue of training and support to increase
the viability of the distro.
We are already working on this issue. We are also trying to form SchoolOS
consortium for its development and support.
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New subject: Fwd: [LUG@IITD:9376] SchoolOS & Hardware
Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Arun Khan
<knura9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Narendra:
How is the hardware provided? Is there a plan for
recycling old computers in place? I see that there is a "chapter" of
Freecycle.org in Gugoan as well as Delhi.
regards
hg
when the distro is targeting schools.
Please think through the issue of training and support to increase
the viability of the distro.
We are already working on this issue. We are also trying to form SchoolOS
consortium for its development and support.
5:27 p.m.
New subject: Fwd: [LUG@IITD:9376] SchoolOS & Hardware
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:45 AM, h.godavari <h.godavari(a)shaw.ca> wrote:
Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
No, we are not providing any hardware. thanks for link.
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On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Arun Khan
<knura9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Narendra:
How is the hardware provided? Is there a plan for
recycling old computers in place? I see that there is a "chapter" of
Freecycle.org in Gugoan as well as Delhi.
when the distro is targeting schools.
Please think through the issue of training and support to increase
the viability of the distro.
We are already working on this issue. We are also trying to form SchoolOS
consortium for its development and support.
2:50 p.m.
On Saturday 28 August 2010 01:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
Other product do not comes with VLC , and many other stuff. We have done all
sort of customization which a user needs.
Wishing you Narendra, all the best for your initiative. Just take care
of proprietary and licensing issues when you ship your distro with
non-free stuff. What about the school syllabus? Is it set by the Board
of Education or is it independent enough to be based on FOSS. What about
the annual exams on computer education?
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4:56 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday 28 August 2010 01:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya
wrote:
Currently it do not contains any non-free stuff. it is also monofree.
Other product do not comes with VLC , and many other stuff. We have done
all
sort of customization which a user needs.
Wishing you Narendra, all the best for your initiative. Just take care
of proprietary and licensing issues when you ship your distro with
non-free stuff. What about the school syllabus? Is it set by the
Board
of Education or is it independent enough to be based on FOSS. What about
the annual exams on computer education?
We do not have books or proper syllabus to follow. Rightnow, we have just
bundled a lots of educational software. list is there on the website.
29 Aug
29 Aug
10:28 p.m.
Raj, Point is not that I do not want to answer these queries but why
everytime. Many of these things have been discussed long back when we
announced it. Whenever I try to make any announcement , someone jump with
the statement like "why schoolos" , I totally discard them.
Perhaps you can put that information in some WiKi page and just point those
emails to the page.
Regards,
Shamit
30 Aug
30 Aug
9:06 a.m.
Hi Narendra,
On 08/28/2010 01:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
Raj, Point is not that I do not want to answer these queries but why
everytime. Many of these things have been discussed long back when we
announced it. Whenever I try to make any announcement , someone jump with
the statement like "why schoolos" , I totally discard them.
You and the team behind SchoolOS have obviously worked hard and done a good job.
Your active participation and promotion of SchoolOS on various lists is very
visible and commendable.
However, remember that there /will/ be people who do not know about SchoolOS (in
fact, you should look at that as an advantage -- more people to
promote/advertise to).
If you see the trend that every time you make an announcement, someone jumps
with a statement 'why schoolos ?' perhaps it is an indication that you need to
include the answer (or a link to the answer) in all your announcements.
You'll have to do this till this information is so widely available that it is
just common knowledge, and anyone (ie: not just you, anyone, including people
who haven't even tried schoolOS -- for instance) can answer these questions.
There was a time when people used to join a LUG list and post questions like - I
heard about linux from my friend, can I install in on my Window 95 system ?
Where can I find the setup.exe on the my Redhat linux CD ? what is linux ? why
should I use linux ? What is the meaning/advantage of FOSS ?
These days, you'd be surprised to see such a question, just because the answers
are not only easy to find but also are glaringly obvious.
Don't lose your cool. Keep on the good work and work towards the time when you
won't have to explain 'Why schoolOS ?
cheers,
- steve
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10:06 a.m.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:36 PM, steve <steve(a)lonetwin.net> wrote:
Hi Narendra,
On 08/28/2010 01:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
Thanks , we are redesigning the website, I will add the detailed FAQ on the
website.
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Raj, Point is not that I do not want to answer these queries but why
everytime. Many of these things have been discussed long back when we
announced it. Whenever I try to make any announcement , someone jump with
the statement like "why schoolos" , I totally discard them.
You and the team behind SchoolOS have obviously worked hard and done a good
job. Your active participation and promotion of SchoolOS on various lists is
very visible and commendable.
However, remember that there /will/ be people who do not know about
SchoolOS (in fact, you should look at that as an advantage -- more people to
promote/advertise to).
If you see the trend that every time you make an announcement, someone
jumps with a statement 'why schoolos ?' perhaps it is an indication that you
need to include the answer (or a link to the answer) in all your
announcements.
You'll have to do this till this information is so widely available that it
is just common knowledge, and anyone (ie: not just you, anyone, including
people who haven't even tried schoolOS -- for instance) can answer these
questions.
There was a time when people used to join a LUG list and post questions
like - I heard about linux from my friend, can I install in on my Window 95
system ? Where can I find the setup.exe on the my Redhat linux CD ? what is
linux ? why should I use linux ? What is the meaning/advantage of FOSS ?
These days, you'd be surprised to see such a question, just because the
answers are not only easy to find but also are glaringly obvious.
Don't lose your cool. Keep on the good work and work towards the time when
you won't have to explain 'Why schoolOS ?
cheers,
- steve
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what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/
31 Aug
31 Aug
12:16 a.m.
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 14:36 +0530, steve wrote:
You and the team behind SchoolOS have obviously worked
hard and done a
good job.
Your active participation and promotion of SchoolOS on various lists
is very
visible and commendable.
However, remember that there /will/ be people who do not know about
SchoolOS (in
fact, you should look at that as an advantage -- more people to
promote/advertise to).
actually no school will ever ask 'why school os'. The people who are
asking are people who have their own favourite OS that they want to
push. Or others who generally put down any good effort by saying 'why
reinvent the wheel?' Remember there are lakhs of types of wheels today -
because people keep reinventing it. If there are people enthusiastically
setting up OSs in schools, and they ask this question, it may be worth
answering - but I doubt whether such people will ask the question.
--
regards
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