On Mon, June 23, 2008 11:50 pm, Mohan Nayaka wrote: It has worked well for me to test websites on IE - been using it for over a year now, I think.. Its rendering has almost always been accurate, i.e. reproduced most IE bugs:). afaik, it just had upto version 6 though... is it possible to get version 7 working ? -Sanjay

Mohan Nayaka wrote: A client of mine has a Bank of India online account and it does not work without IE and JVM. In my test IE on Linux, I could reach the login page without errors. Just before opening the page it asked for downloading JVM. Surprisingly it downloaded automatically and fast and the page was rendered. However this has to be done every time as there is no OS where JVM can be saved to. As a test, go to http://www.bankofindia.com/home/startpage.asp and under Internet Banking on the left side, click on 'Star Connect Retail (For Core Banking)'. You will receive an error. Now try it in IE for Linux. If anyone can offer a solution to open this page in Firefox without using IE4Lin that would be great. :-) -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: Now what's illegal about Firefox and no IE? -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote: We are talking about Linux. If you have legal copy of Windows, please ask their customer support, not here. Thanks. -- Cheers, Kartik Mistry | 0xD1028C8D | IRC: kart_ Blogs: {ftbfs,kartikm}.wordpress.com

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote: Its illegal. -- Cheers, Kartik Mistry | 0xD1028C8D | IRC: kart_ Blogs: {ftbfs,kartikm}.wordpress.com

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: I will go through it. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves &lt;lawgon(a)au-kbc.org&gt; wrote: Just a question, probably flamebait, so hiding behind a firewall ;) Why can't Firefox/epiphany/konqueror/<insert your favourite FOS browser here>, instead of just not working on EI-only sites, work in a compatibility mode (i.e. support their lameness), while at the same time informing the user that the web designer is a lazy fool who doesn't really know his skill at all? BTW, I'm only talking about the IE way of doing javascript, not activex. -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.in

IE is a crap , even i have to browse a ie only website i will try to make it go in firefox . -- Regards Subhodip Biswas Fedora Ambassador West Bengal , India GPG key : FAEA34AB Server : pgp.mit.edu http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Easwar Hariharan &lt;meindian523(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Well we don't need to complain about standards compliance per-say... Firefox could simply complain that "the designer has made the site incorrectly and that it may be error prone and hence unsafe to use" or something to that effect. 'Hall of Shame' really doesn't make much difference to most website designers. Perhaps a browser that can put up with their crap as well as educate users about their ineptness may change things a bit. That said, most designes also tend to get away with it by saying, "Don't worry, the site is perfectly fine. It seems to be a bug in Firefox. See, it works fine in IE". So in that case, it could be a not-so-good idea to support the crap... -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.in

Easwar Hariharan wrote: People who have their online banking/share-trading accounts working since many years cannot be expected to move to FOSS and close those accounts or stop trading simply due to standards compliance. As technical people we have to try to provide the middle path which allows them to make the switch to FOSS without undergoing a castration. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

jtd wrote: HeHe! -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar < siddhesh.poyarekar(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I think I have a solution to this problem. I'd like to call it "Autogreasemonkey" The two parts of the solution 1. Use greasemonkey and a bit of user-agent magic to get around the Website's flaws. 2. Create a Firefox plugin that automatically downloads "fixer" scripts when it detects you're browsing a blacklisted Website and apply that script providing seamless browser experience. I don't know if this is possible, but it would surely hit home with the user. Now someone needs to write Autogreasemonkey and a whole lot of workaround scripts (perhaps a community could write the last bit). What say you? :-) -- Cheers, Yesudeep Mangalapilly | येसुदीप मंगलािपल्ली GnuPG: 0x79E237CB | IRC: jburd Do NOT send me chain forwards. I will ignore you. Do NOT send me Microsoft Word documents. I will bite. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/sylvester-response.html I use free and open source software. http://www.gnu.org/

Rony wrote: i guess you get to read it while installing IE. try running a setup under wine or doze of course.. sheesh! even the thought of it makes me sick. but do linux users have a choice. if anyone is an active member on the "hall of shame", please add the DTE website to it, if not already done. It, in fact, deserves to top the shame-charts. With 100s of 1000s of students (n yeah, firefox users, even if they using doze) can't open this website at all to fill their online applications for admission to first year of engineering in Maharashtra. i feel designers of such a page are actually committing a crime. try it in firefox >> http://dte.org.in/fe2008 The site refuses to open in Firefox at all and pops bold black error saying it only opens in IE 6 and IE 7 till the time of posting this message! Regards km { LINUXERS http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers /} "Everything thats legal aint always right and everything thats right aint always legal! " km

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:12 AM, km &lt;km(a)eficacy.com&gt; wrote: Works for me with Firefox/3.0b5 Regards, Mohan S N -- Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art deeper than we ourselves possess. -- Gandalf the Grey [J.R.R. Tolkien, "Lord of the Rings"]

Mohan Nayaka wrote: Firefox 3 can't be installed in Etch as the gtk+ is older. The installer says that I have 2.08 whereas I need 2.10. I could not find anything like that even on the Debian packages site. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

On Thursday 26 Jun 2008 12:05, Rony wrote: try backports.org. -- Rgds JTD

Easwar Hariharan wrote: On a doze machine I tried it on Firefox3 but it still gave the same error. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: Are you able to reach the login page for retail banking? -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rony &lt;gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: If you plan to install FF 3.0 from backports,it's not,I believe of any use,refer my previous mail,it doesn't work on Ubuntu 8.04,which I believe is based on Sid. Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves &lt;lawgon(a)au-kbc.org&gt; wrote: How then, does IETab work? Is it also illegal? Regards, Mohan S N -- Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art deeper than we ourselves possess. -- Gandalf the Grey [J.R.R. Tolkien, "Lord of the Rings"]