the goals and philosophy of the Free Software Movement, and the status and history of the GNU operating system, which in combination with the kernel Linux is now used by tens of millions of users world-wide.
This is what I get from the mailing list and the website of the host.
Is it going to be the same standard speech which he has given n number of times.
Navin
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 12:26:58PM +0530, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
This is what I get from the mailing list and the website of the host.
Is it going to be the same standard speech which he has given n number of times.
How do you know until it actually happens!?
Well I have attended at least 3 of his talks and all of them were the same. I principally organized 1of them.
I have downloaded the video recordings of the speech and gone through them. He speaks the same HIS-story. Whatever I wanted to conclude from the speech I have it with me. I am not spending my time to take a different take on the same.
I guess the organizers are on the list and they can answer my question.
Navin Dhanuka
http://neevaan.wordpress.com/ http://materisk.blogspot.com/
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Nitesh Mistry mailbox@mistrynitesh.netwrote:
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 12:26:58PM +0530, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
This is what I get from the mailing list and the website of the host.
Is it going to be the same standard speech which he has given n number of times.
How do you know until it actually happens!?
-- Regards, Nitesh Mistry www.mistrynitesh.com
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On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Naveen Dhanuka neevaan@gmail.com wrote:
... I have downloaded the video recordings of the speech and gone through them. He speaks the same HIS-story. ...
Free Software principles has not changed. So, it will be same.
Free Software principles has not changed. So, it will be same.
He speaks the same HIS-story.
FS Principals are just based on the four laws.
But the core of his speech is his own history and evolution of FS and why linux is just a kernel and its GNU which is the OS and why the FS should not be called as open source and why free software.
I believe he wants to spread the msg what I mentioned in the previous line.
My take from his speech is that I see him as the silent soldier who has been defeated in the battle and the war and has not given up and is telling at every possible and permissible place what ETHICS and SACRIFICE and BLOOD & SWEAT that has gone into make solid engineering and given for free as free speech and not free bear.
I dun see the Goal, but the objective is to tell the listener and the attendee about why FS Principals and why its important to stand all ages and all academia and all generations and all nations and all continents.
Correct and complete me if i am wrong.
Regards, ND
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Naveen Dhanuka neevaan@gmail.com wrote:
... I have downloaded the video recordings of the speech and gone through
them.
...
-- Kartik Mistry Debian GNU/Linux Developer IRC: kart_ | Identica: @kartikm -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
On Thursday 02 Sep 2010, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
My take from his speech is that I see him as the silent soldier who has been defeated in the battle and the war and has not given up and is telling at every possible and permissible place what ETHICS and SACRIFICE and BLOOD & SWEAT that has gone into make solid engineering and given for free as free speech and not free bear.
That's a pretty sweeping statement to make, isn't it?
In my opinion, RMS is one of the most important figures in the field of computing, right up there with Turing and Tim Berners-Lee. If it weren't for him computing as we know it wouldn't have existed. And the Internet would have remained a small academic network connecting a few thousand universities. In fact, we wouldn't have been having this conversation at all.
RMS created the concept of free software. Every packet sent on the Internet today is processed by one or more free software-based packages somewhere along the line.
He also created GCC, thanks to which people could easily compile, enhance, modify and customise packages like Apache, any e-mail solution, PHP/Perl/Python/Java, BIND, a router kernel, etc. How many of these packages would have existed if GCC hadn't? Very few, I suspect.
After all that, to call him a "soldier who has been defeated" is just plain ignorant.
Regards,
-- Raj
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 08:10 +0530, Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) wrote:
RMS created the concept of free software. Every packet sent on the Internet today is processed by one or more free software-based packages somewhere along the line.
He also created GCC,
only god can create. Man modifies, enhances, develops. Linus did not create linux - he modified minix. RMS did not create GCC - he modified an existing (pascal?) compiler. He did not create emacs - he put together a bunch of existing scripts (some of his and some of others), enhanced and modified them. We of the foss community recognise this fact and it is from this recognition that we do not assert ownership on the software we produce (note: produce, not create).
only god can create.
I like the word incarnate.
Man modifies, enhances, develops.
From orangutan to homo-sapien to maybe mammals of today.
Linus did not create linux - he modified minix. RMS did not create GCC - he modified an existing (pascal?) compiler. He did not create emacs - he put together a bunch of existing scripts (some of his and some of others), enhanced and modified them. We of the foss community recognise this fact and it is from this recognition that we do not assert ownership on the software we produce (note: produce, not create).
You mean FOSS Community who either creates documentation or gives patches or bug fixes or writes features or designs interfaces. How many linux kernel contributors do you know. I know Linus Torvalds and I have seen a snap of the team who develops and maintains the linux kernel. I think it is a Redhat team.
Now Create vs Produce. To create is like to give a start to a formation and in turn produce the image or the message, which may be well read, perceived or used by the observers or the users or the contributors and distributors. What do you say on this.?
Navin
On Thursday 02 September 2010 10:59:32 pm Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
only god can create.
I like the word incarnate.
Man modifies, enhances, develops.
From orangutan to homo-sapien to maybe mammals of today.
Linus did not create linux - he modified minix. RMS did not create GCC - he modified an existing (pascal?) compiler. He did not create emacs - he put together a bunch of existing scripts (some of his and some of others), enhanced and modified them. We of the foss community recognise this fact and it is from this recognition that we do not assert ownership on the software we produce (note: produce, not create).
You mean FOSS Community who either creates documentation or gives patches or bug fixes or writes features or designs interfaces. How many linux kernel contributors do you know. I know Linus Torvalds and I have seen a snap of the team who develops and maintains the linux kernel. I think it is a Redhat team.
Now Create vs Produce. To create is like to give a start to a formation and in turn produce the image or the message, which may be well read, perceived or used by the observers or the users or the contributors and distributors. What do you say on this.?
can you create information? or is it meerly discovered ?
oh look i discovered the sequence of bits that cause my computer kill every cat in a 10 meter radius ...... pay me 100 bucks for every cat that is killed using this awesome sequence of bits ........ till the end of time ....... Muahahahah im gonna rich (maybe even the richest man in the world).
it burns to a never ending philosophical debate ..... like almost all other philosophical debates.
http://xkcd.com/263/ (yes ive read every single one) thats why i love maths ... but i suck at it :(.
can you create information? or is it meerly discovered ?
oh look i discovered the sequence of bits that cause my computer kill every cat in a 10 meter radius ...... pay me 100 bucks for every cat that is killed using this awesome sequence of bits ........ till the end of time ....... Muahahahah im gonna rich (maybe even the richest man in the world).
it burns to a never ending philosophical debate ..... like almost all other philosophical debates.
?
All my question is, "Is it going to be a new speech or the same old one".
N.D.
2010/9/2 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) raju@linux-delhi.org
On Thursday 02 Sep 2010, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
My take from his speech is that I see him as the silent soldier who has been defeated in the battle and the war and has not given up and is telling at every possible and permissible place what ETHICS and SACRIFICE and BLOOD & SWEAT that has gone into make solid engineering and given for free as free speech and not free bear.
That's a pretty sweeping statement to make, isn't it?
?
In my opinion, RMS is one of the most important figures in the field of computing, right up there with Turing and Tim Berners-Lee.
I know and I agree.
If it weren't for him computing as we know it wouldn't have existed.
By computing do u mean servers or desktops or internet. I guess penetration has happened because of PC which has Windows and a millions of apps.
And the Internet would have remained a small academic network connecting a few thousand universities. In fact, we wouldn't have been having this conversation at all.
Penetration of Unix and its clone even today is in Universities and not anywhere else. Its the hackers or the newbies who want to get their hands dirty with the code or read the poetry written by hackers who download and install the GNU/Linux.
RMS created the concept of free software. Every packet sent on the
Internet today is processed by one or more free software-based packages somewhere along the line.
His vision is his. And he has taken the pains of going at every prospective place and share his vision. He has not only shared the vision. He has also designed the copyleft and the license which protects the freedom. Also the compiler and an editor which some refer to as an OS (emacs).
He also created GCC, thanks to which people could easily compile, enhance, modify and customise packages like Apache, any e-mail solution, PHP/Perl/Python/Java, BIND, a router kernel, etc. How many of these packages would have existed if GCC hadn't? Very few, I suspect.
I know and I agree. Just a question does BSDs also have GCC.
After all that, to call him a "soldier who has been defeated" is just
plain ignorant.
I can explain.
First came RMS. He coined the word Free Software, which he explained as Free Speech and Not Free Bear. He wrote GCC, GPL, emacs and lot other utilities which any fellow hacker would need. He thought of then writing the kernel. He then chose the micokernel architecture which was superior design and could not be made. Monolithic kernel was inferior in design, but the advance in microprocessors filled the gap and the kernel was successful.
The OS now is called Linux. No one calls it GNU/Linux. Its only the luggers and should i say its the GLUGGERS. The word Free Software is not used by the corporate and its now the word OPEN SOURCE in use in packaging and solutions. Its not wrong on their part, because you can't see a solution to a corporate saying that its made using free software. The word free does not implant the thought of freedom, but of free as in cost free.
I believe RMS is defeated because the concept of FREE SOFTWARE and the 4 laws of free software are churning out money for Open Source. RMS is doing the right thing by taking his vision and ethics back to ACADEMIA, where budding engineers and can wear his shoes and walk a mile. And decide for themselves what they want to do and what they should do.
Does it make sense to you?
Regards,
-- Raj
Raj Mathur raju@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Penetration of Unix and its clone even today is in Universities and not anywhere else.
Many embedded devices including all your Routers. Also, the Jet Airways had in-flight entertainment systems (I now fly low cost so don't know if it still exists. :) ). Those use Linux and VLC.
So, for dumb users, Windows is excellent. But stand-alone devices use Linux. I am hazarding a wild guess, but if we put all Routers, media players, GPS receivers, etc. together, the number of Linux installation might exceed Windows. However, since nobody pays for the OS and most of the stuff is available "from thin air", nobody actually cares too much about it. And there the Linux conference are very unlike the MS conference/workshops. In a Linux conference, people even bring their own chairs and in MS workshop there is the usual corporate tamasha.
I am sure Linux is doing very well in what it is supposed to do.
-Akshay
I am sure Linux is doing very well in what it is supposed to do.
-Akshay
See its Linux. Its not free software. Its open source.
Open Source have many more licenses.
Free Software can be Open Source. But Open Source necessarily cannot be Free Software.
Do you get the point? Or correct me if I am wrong.
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Naveen Dhanuka neevaan@gmail.com wrote:
Open Source have many more licenses.
What are licenses that is for 'Open Source' but not 'Free Software'?
Heard about GFDL?
check http://neevaan.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/various-foss-licenses/
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Naveen Dhanuka neevaan@gmail.com wrote:
Open Source have many more licenses.
What are licenses that is for 'Open Source' but not 'Free Software'?
Heard about GFDL?
-- Kartik Mistry Debian GNU/Linux Developer IRC: kart_ | Identica: @kartikm -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
So, for dumb users, Windows is excellent.
I guess computing is used for automation and electronisation of work so that it need not be replicated and can be reproduced at a click. Windows is apt for it. It has a class word-processor, a spreadsheet and a presentation making software. As a host OS it can give ease installation of the M$ Visual Studio and some popular, proprietary and open source DBs. Tell me a app which is not on Windows and on any other OS. Don't call them dumb users please. You can call them non-engineers and may be users.
But stand-alone devices use Linux. I am hazarding a wild guess, but if we put all Routers, media players, GPS receivers, etc. together, the number of Linux installation might exceed Windows.
Well, Windows is a Operating System. Linux is a Kernel a monolithic kernel.
However, since nobody pays for the OS and most of the stuff is available "from thin air", nobody actually cares too much about it.
Its open source. Its free. It can be reengineered. I guess that solves its purpose of existence and engineering. What do you say.
And there the Linux conference are very unlike the MS conference/workshops. In a Linux conference, people even bring their own chairs and in MS workshop there is the usual corporate tamasha.
I guess it should be called CULTURE.
I am sure Linux is doing very well in what it is supposed to do.
When did i disagree?.
Navin
On Thursday 02 September 2010 10:05 PM, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
I guess computing is used for automation and electronisation of work so that it need not be replicated and can be reproduced at a click. Windows is apt for it. It has a class word-processor, a spreadsheet and a presentation making software. As a host OS it can give ease installation of the M$ Visual Studio and some popular, proprietary and open source DBs. Tell me a app which is not on Windows and on any other OS. Don't call them dumb users please. You can call them non-engineers and may be users.
Since you are a fan of doze, could you tell me how to make the app ffmpeg run and work in doze? It runs superbly in Linux. I could not get in working in doze. I wanted to integrate it into the 'video downloadhelper' plugin in Firefox. Closed Software has to many restrictions and limitations of use and to remove every restriction you got to shell out loads of money. It was to break this monopoly that Libre Software was born, to provide unrestricted access to use the software, to be able to study it and modify it and present the new improved modifications to the people, by the people. You cannot do this with closed software.
Take for example: If you bought the cheapest doze home edition, you could network it with 5 computers only. To add more computers, you would have to buy the more expensive pro edition but even that was limited to 10 machines. To network more machines you had to buy the server edition itself along with client licenses for every client machine, over and above having to buy a pro version for every client machine. In the home and pro editions, there was a restriction to all third party developers to prevent them from re-engineering or providing any patches that could increase the networking capacity of those editions. In Linux, you don't get restricted access like this. In Linux, a server is simply a package that runs a service. It is not a glorified operation system.
On Thursday 02 September 2010 10:05 PM, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
I guess computing is used for automation and electronisation of work so
that
it need not be replicated and can be reproduced at a click. Windows is apt for it. It has a class word-processor, a spreadsheet and a presentation making software. As a host OS it can give ease installation of the M$ Visual Studio and
some
popular, proprietary and open source DBs. Tell me a app which is not on Windows and on any other OS. Don't call them dumb users please. You can call them non-engineers and may be users.
Since you are a fan of doze, could you tell me how to make the app ffmpeg run and work in doze? It runs superbly in Linux. I could not get in working in doze. I wanted to integrate it into the 'video downloadhelper' plugin in Firefox.
isn't ffmpeg a decoder and encoder. Its a foss and made for foss platforms. Some nerd or hacker may right a windows version, you may have to wait for it.
Closed Software has to many restrictions and limitations of use and to
remove every restriction you got to shell out loads of money. It was to break this monopoly that Libre Software was born, to provide unrestricted access to use the software, to be able to study it and modify it and present the new improved modifications to the people, by the people. You cannot do this with closed software.
i know you know.
Take for example: If you bought the cheapest doze home edition, you could network it with 5 computers only. To add more computers, you would have to buy the more expensive pro edition but even that was limited to 10 machines. To network more machines you had to buy the server edition itself along with client licenses for every client machine, over and above having to buy a pro version for every client machine. In the home and pro editions, there was a restriction to all third party developers to prevent them from re-engineering or providing any patches that could increase the networking capacity of those editions. In Linux, you don't get restricted access like this.
u know i know
In Linux, a server is simply a package that runs a service. It is not a glorified operation system.
whatz a binary?
On Sep 3, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Rony wrote:
On Thursday 02 September 2010 10:05 PM, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
I guess computing is used for automation and electronisation of work so that it need not be replicated and can be reproduced at a click. Windows is apt for it. It has a class word-processor, a spreadsheet and a presentation making software. As a host OS it can give ease installation of the M$ Visual Studio and some popular, proprietary and open source DBs. Tell me a app which is not on Windows and on any other OS. Don't call them dumb users please. You can call them non-engineers and may be users.
Since you are a fan of doze, could you tell me how to make the app ffmpeg run and work in doze? It runs superbly in Linux. I could not get in working in doze. I wanted to integrate it into the 'video downloadhelper' plugin in Firefox.
Oh god... Off we are again: my camp is better than yours. Next time Rony, just ask the person if s/he is using a legal copy of Windows and/or MS Office and rest the case.
Cheers,
Amol
On Saturday 04 September 2010 04:58 PM, Amol Hatwar wrote:
On Sep 3, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Rony wrote:
On Thursday 02 September 2010 10:05 PM, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
I guess computing is used for automation and electronisation of work so that it need not be replicated and can be reproduced at a click. Windows is apt for it. It has a class word-processor, a spreadsheet and a presentation making software. As a host OS it can give ease installation of the M$ Visual Studio and some popular, proprietary and open source DBs. Tell me a app which is not on Windows and on any other OS. Don't call them dumb users please. You can call them non-engineers and may be users.
Since you are a fan of doze, could you tell me how to make the app ffmpeg run and work in doze? It runs superbly in Linux. I could not get in working in doze. I wanted to integrate it into the 'video downloadhelper' plugin in Firefox.
Oh god... Off we are again: my camp is better than yours. Next time Rony, just ask the person if s/he is using a legal copy of Windows and/or MS Office and rest the case.
I use both platforms legally and know the advantages and disadvantages of each one. However Naveen seems to be simply trolling with no meaningful discussions.
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Since you are a fan of doze, could you tell me how to make the app ffmpeg run and work in doze? It runs superbly in Linux. I could not get in working in doze. I wanted to integrate it into the 'video downloadhelper' plugin in Firefox. Closed Software has to many restrictions and limitations of use and to remove every restriction you got to shell out loads of money. It was to break this monopoly that Libre Software was born, to provide unrestricted access to use the software, to be able to study it and modify it and present the new improved modifications to the people, by the people. You cannot do this with closed software.
Ah. Thank god. At last I find a linux expert. Sorry to sound noobish here. But recently my brother gifted me an iPod Touch. I use Ubuntu. How do I download apps from the iTunes store? Is there a rocking equivalent of iTunes that can access the iTunes store and I can actually use this device? Or is there an free/open source alternative/hack around that to download apps from the iTunes store?
-- Best Regards, Ajay Kumar
Sent from my iPad Saswata Banerjee
On 04-Sep-2010, at 7:22 PM, Ajay Kumar ajuonline.lists@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Since you are a fan of doze, could you tell me how to make the app ffmpeg run and work in doze? It runs superbly in Linux. I could not get in working in doze. I wanted to integrate it into the 'video downloadhelper' plugin in Firefox. Closed Software has to many restrictions and limitations of use and to remove every restriction you got to shell out loads of money. It was to break this monopoly that Libre Software was born, to provide unrestricted access to use the software, to be able to study it and modify it and present the new improved modifications to the people, by the people. You cannot do this with closed software.
Ah. Thank god. At last I find a linux expert. Sorry to sound noobish here. But recently my brother gifted me an iPod Touch. I use Ubuntu. How do I download apps from the iTunes store? Is there a rocking equivalent of iTunes that can access the iTunes store and I can actually use this device? Or is there an free/open source alternative/hack around that to download apps from the iTunes store?
Just use wifi on iPod touch to access the app store and download the apps you want.
I hate to say this but did u google for it ? I got a lot of options on first page including a list of 8 software that manages iPod
The best option seems to be wine on ubantu
But you need to experiment and see what suites you the best
-- Best Regards, Ajay Kumar
http://www.ajuonline.net
Sent from my iPad Saswata Banerjee
On 05-Sep-2010, at 11:17 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Sat, 2010-09-04 at 23:03 +0530, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
But you need to experiment and see what suites you the best
PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS
Perhaps If you stopped wasting time irritating posters, we will get more people posting.
-- regards Kenneth Gonsalves
On Sun, 2010-09-05 at 18:26 +0530, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
Sent from my iPad Saswata Banerjee
On 05-Sep-2010, at 11:17 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Sat, 2010-09-04 at 23:03 +0530, Saswata Banerjee & Associates
wrote:
But you need to experiment and see what suites you the best
PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS
Perhaps If you stopped wasting time irritating posters, we will get more people posting.
PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.orgwrote:
On Sun, 2010-09-05 at 18:26 +0530, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
Sent from my iPad Saswata Banerjee
On 05-Sep-2010, at 11:17 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Sat, 2010-09-04 at 23:03 +0530, Saswata Banerjee & Associates
wrote:
But you need to experiment and see what suites you the best
PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS
Perhaps If you stopped wasting time irritating posters, we will get more people posting.
PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS
I propose [FLAMEWAR] and [SLUGFEST] tags to keep people from reading unwanted emails.
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 14:02 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote:
Perhaps If you stopped wasting time irritating posters, we will
get
more people posting.
PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS
I propose [FLAMEWAR] and [SLUGFEST] tags to keep people from reading unwanted emails.
add [UNTRIMMED POST] and [ADVERTISES PROPRIETARY STUFF]
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 03:28:02PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
I propose [FLAMEWAR] and [SLUGFEST] tags to keep people from reading unwanted emails.
add [UNTRIMMED POST] and [ADVERTISES PROPRIETARY STUFF]
And if I add filters on above tags, what will remain to be read? ;)
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 15:37 +0530, Nitesh Mistry wrote:
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 03:28:02PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
I propose [FLAMEWAR] and [SLUGFEST] tags to keep people from
reading
unwanted emails.
add [UNTRIMMED POST] and [ADVERTISES PROPRIETARY STUFF]
And if I add filters on above tags, what will remain to be read? ;)
you can read all the good stuff and escape this eternal advertising of ipad and iphone
Kenneth: Why should anyone trim the post? It would be good if you explain it once instead of writing it after every post.
Thanx, Kunal
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 16:05 +0530, Kunal Bharati wrote:
Kenneth: Why should anyone trim the post? It would be good if you explain it once instead of writing it after every post.
http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List_Etiquette#How_should_I_po...
Can we add one more clause there?
That would be: "Please be relevant to the subject of the mail/thread"
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Kunal Bharati kunalbharati@gmail.comwrote:
Can we add one more clause there?
That would be: "Please be relevant to the subject of the mail/thread"
+1
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 16:21 +0530, Kunal Bharati wrote:
Can we add one more clause there?
That would be: "Please be relevant to the subject of the mail/thread"
it is hier: http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List_Etiquette#Starting_a_New_...
more than that is impossible for this list - we love to digress, and as far as I am concerned it is feature and not bug and gives distinctive quality to this list.
The link you sent have some concerns with disk space and global warming here: http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List_Etiquette#I_use_top_post_...
I agree with no top posting. But messages like "PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS" and unnecessary flamewars use disk space and contribute to global warming too.
So, back to the subject. Today is 6th September, anyone planning to be at IIT?
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 16:44 +0530, Kunal Bharati wrote:
The link you sent have some concerns with disk space and global warming here: http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List_Etiquette#I_use_top_post_...
I agree with no top posting. But messages like "PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS" and unnecessary flamewars use disk space and contribute to global warming too.
these are necessary flamewars - people need to be educated. That is the difference between us and the proprietary world - there the only thing that matters is money and one's own convenience without consideration for others. Here we believe in building a community based on mutual self respect and mutual consideration for others. Such a community can only be built by adhering to some basic rules. If people are unwilling to follow such rules, they have the liberty to fork and start their own lists - I for one would not entertain a guy who spits paan on my living room carpet.
On Monday 06 September 2010 05:09 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
these are necessary flamewars - people need to be educated. That is the difference between us and the proprietary world - there the only thing that matters is money and one's own convenience without consideration for others. Here we believe in building a community based on mutual self respect and mutual consideration for others. Such a community can only be built by adhering to some basic rules. If people are unwilling to follow such rules, they have the liberty to fork and start their own lists - I for one would not entertain a guy who spits paan on my living room carpet.
Signatures in emails are acceptable as long as they are very long. Saswata has been trying to stick to the list guidelines as much as possible and if there are minor changes you want, a pleasant way to say it makes a difference.
Don't worry Rony. I have decided to unsubscribe from the group. It's not worth my time and I don't have the patients to listen crap from people like Kenneth. Lots of others have done the same I guess. The group adds little to my knowledge or interest any more except of how much idle time Kenneth has or how jealous he is of my iPad and iPhone.
Sent from my iPad Saswata Banerjee
On 06-Sep-2010, at 10:24 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday 06 September 2010 05:09 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
these are necessary flamewars - people need to be educated. That is the difference between us and the proprietary world - there the only thing that matters is money and one's own convenience without consideration for others. Here we believe in building a community based on mutual self respect and mutual consideration for others. Such a community can only be built by adhering to some basic rules. If people are unwilling to follow such rules, they have the liberty to fork and start their own lists - I for one would not entertain a guy who spits paan on my living room carpet.
Signatures in emails are acceptable as long as they are very long. Saswata has been trying to stick to the list guidelines as much as possible and if there are minor changes you want, a pleasant way to say it makes a difference.
--
As a proper list etiquette... Please trim your replies. Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space. Do not re-use old messages to write new ones.
Regards,
Rony.
On Monday 06 September 2010 03:28 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 14:02 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote:
Perhaps If you stopped wasting time irritating posters, we will
get
more people posting.
PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS
You were shouting. That is not appreciated on lists too. Please avoid writing sentences in uppercase.
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 22:12 +0530, Rony wrote:
PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS
You were shouting. That is not appreciated on lists too. Please avoid writing sentences in uppercase.
at times it is necessary to shout
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 05:49 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 22:12 +0530, Rony wrote:
PLEASE TRIM YOUR POSTS
You were shouting. That is not appreciated on lists too. Please avoid writing sentences in uppercase.
at times it is necessary to shout
You must appreciate that this is the Mumbai GLUG, home group for GNU/Linux users of Mumbai.
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 11:51 +0530, Rony wrote:
at times it is necessary to shout
You must appreciate that this is the Mumbai GLUG, home group for GNU/Linux users of Mumbai.
which means outsiders are not welcome? Or outsiders are second class members?
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 11:58 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 11:51 +0530, Rony wrote:
at times it is necessary to shout
You must appreciate that this is the Mumbai GLUG, home group for GNU/Linux users of Mumbai.
which means outsiders are not welcome? Or outsiders are second class members?
Outsiders are most welcome but not expected to shout, be rude and try to police the list, when the local members are not doing it too. Why spread unhappiness wherever we go?
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 12:11 +0530, Rony wrote:
which means outsiders are not welcome? Or outsiders are second class members?
Outsiders are most welcome but not expected to shout, be rude and try to police the list, when the local members are not doing it too. Why spread unhappiness wherever we go?
please make yourself clear - are you proposing discrimination between local members and outsiders or not? Further, if you look at this thread I requested the person concerned to trim his posts *politely* several times before shouting.
And as far as I am concerned, Mumbai is as much my city as yours - it is the financial capital of our country and I visit it fairly often (and have probably attended as many LUG meets as you have). We have had this local vs outsider nonsense on Chennai LUG too - please do not start it here.
Alright, enough of this. Stop. Do not answer to this email.
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.orgwrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 12:11 +0530, Rony wrote:
which means outsiders are not welcome? Or outsiders are second class members?
Outsiders are most welcome but not expected to shout, be rude and try to police the list, when the local members are not doing it too. Why spread unhappiness wherever we go?
please make yourself clear - are you proposing discrimination between local members and outsiders or not? Further, if you look at this thread I requested the person concerned to trim his posts *politely* several times before shouting.
Your way of requesting is many a times rude and incoherent. Instead of simply speaking clearly and explaining politely what you want, you will post irritating one liners after others' mails and only after some mails will you explain what you meant. By that time the damage is already done. There is no discrimination between local and outside members but if local members have to leave the list due to rude behavior of outsiders, then this is not right.
And as far as I am concerned, Mumbai is as much my city as yours - it is the financial capital of our country and I visit it fairly often (and have probably attended as many LUG meets as you have). We have had this local vs outsider nonsense on Chennai LUG too - please do not start it here.
Similarly there is some cordial etiquette expected from you too, especially when this is not your home list.
This is a sincere request to all users.
Please take your personal differences of opinion or any other anything else you would like to call it , off the list. There are hundreds of other users whose mailboxes are being spammed of such unnecessary conversations that are just used to suffice personal grudges and egos.
Please take this conversation off the list with the necessary people.
Look at where it has gone from rms in iit which has passed on the 6th by the way
Thanks and Regards, Anish Mohile Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
-----Original Message----- From: Rony Bill gnulinuxist@gmail.com Sender: linuxers-bounces@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:05:43 To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, Indialinuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Reply-To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in IIT Mumbai on 6th Sept. 2010
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.orgwrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 12:11 +0530, Rony wrote:
which means outsiders are not welcome? Or outsiders are second class members?
Outsiders are most welcome but not expected to shout, be rude and try to police the list, when the local members are not doing it too. Why spread unhappiness wherever we go?
please make yourself clear - are you proposing discrimination between local members and outsiders or not? Further, if you look at this thread I requested the person concerned to trim his posts *politely* several times before shouting.
Your way of requesting is many a times rude and incoherent. Instead of simply speaking clearly and explaining politely what you want, you will post irritating one liners after others' mails and only after some mails will you explain what you meant. By that time the damage is already done. There is no discrimination between local and outside members but if local members have to leave the list due to rude behavior of outsiders, then this is not right.
And as far as I am concerned, Mumbai is as much my city as yours - it is the financial capital of our country and I visit it fairly often (and have probably attended as many LUG meets as you have). We have had this local vs outsider nonsense on Chennai LUG too - please do not start it here.
Similarly there is some cordial etiquette expected from you too, especially when this is not your home list.
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:13 PM, anishsmohile@gmail.com wrote:
This is a sincere request to all users.
Please take your personal differences of opinion or any other anything else you would like to call it , off the list. There are hundreds of other users whose mailboxes are being spammed of such unnecessary conversations that are just used to suffice personal grudges and egos.
Please take this conversation off the list with the necessary people.
+1
Look at where it has gone from rms in iit which has passed on the 6th by the way
Coming back to the subject/caption of this thread. I was not able to attend the meet last night. I heard second hand that the auditorium was packed much before the program started and alternate seating outside had to be arranged.
Please post link(s) of any audio/video recordings of last night's meet.
Thanks, -- Arun Khan
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Arun Khan knura9@gmail.com wrote:
Please post link(s) of any audio/video recordings of last night's meet.
Techfest organisers have agreed to provide us with the recordings. If I do hear back from them, I will update the list on the same.
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Mehul Ved mehul.n.ved@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Arun Khan knura9@gmail.com wrote:
Please post link(s) of any audio/video recordings of last night's meet.
Techfest organisers have agreed to provide us with the recordings. If I do hear back from them, I will update the list on the same.
gnowledge.org lab also recorded the talk. we are currently converting the video into ogg/theora and will soon be available at wetube.gnowledge.org
-- GN
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Nagarjuna G nagarjun@gnu.org.in wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Mehul Ved mehul.n.ved@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Arun Khan knura9@gmail.com wrote:
Please post link(s) of any audio/video recordings of last night's meet.
Techfest organisers have agreed to provide us with the recordings. If I
do
hear back from them, I will update the list on the same.
gnowledge.org lab also recorded the talk. we are currently converting the video into ogg/theora and will soon be available at wetube.gnowledge.org
Here for LUG members who attended RMS talk and get group pictures with
him. We had uploaded pictures at images.gnowledge.org link is given below,
http://images.gnowledge.org/main.php?g2_itemId=22697 http://images.gnowledge.org/main.php?g2_itemId=22697
Shared under CC by SA.
Regards, Ganesh
--
GN
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Ganesh Gajare racewithg@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Nagarjuna G nagarjun@gnu.org.in wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Mehul Ved mehul.n.ved@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Arun Khan knura9@gmail.com wrote:
Please post link(s) of any audio/video recordings of last night's meet.
Techfest organisers have agreed to provide us with the recordings. If I
do
hear back from them, I will update the list on the same.
gnowledge.org lab also recorded the talk. we are currently converting the video into ogg/theora and will soon be available at wetube.gnowledge.org
Here for LUG members who attended RMS talk and get group pictures with
him. We had uploaded pictures at images.gnowledge.org link is given below,
http://images.gnowledge.org/main.php?g2_itemId=22697 http://images.gnowledge.org/main.php?g2_itemId=22697
Shared under CC by SA.
The videos recorded by gnowledge.org lab are uploaded at wetube.gnowledge.org. http://wetube.gnowledge.org The videos contributed under CC by SA.
Links are given below
An Interactive Session with Father of Free Software : Richard Stallman part1http://wetube.gnowledge.org/Vgd6xxo6/info
An Interactive session with Father of Free Software: Richard Stallman part2http://wetube.gnowledge.org/Vfatm078/info http://wetube.gnowledge.org/Vgd6xxo6/info
Regards, Ganesh
--
GN
2010/9/7 Rony Bill gnulinuxist@gmail.com:
Similarly there is some cordial etiquette expected from you too, especially when this is not your home list.
Rony,
Isn't the first part enough, why emphasize on the second part?
Mumbai for Mumbaikers?
Praveen
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Rony Bill gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Similarly there is some cordial etiquette expected from you too, especially when this is not your home list.
I can figure out the first part of the sentence why are we trying to jam in the second part ?
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:21 AM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 05:49 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 22:12 +0530, Rony wrote:
<snip>
at times it is necessary to shout
You must appreciate that this is the Mumbai GLUG, home group for GNU/Linux users of Mumbai.
Mumbai... which is a noisy city - hence the need to shout :)
Regards, Mohan S N
On Thursday 02 September 2010 08:10 AM, Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) wrote:
On Thursday 02 Sep 2010, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
My take from his speech is that I see him as the silent soldier who has been defeated in the battle and the war and has not given up and is telling at every possible and permissible place what ETHICS and SACRIFICE and BLOOD& SWEAT that has gone into make solid engineering and given for free as free speech and not free bear.
The word is free beer not free bear. A bear is a huge grizzly growly animal that is not fun to have around even if given free of cost.
That's a pretty sweeping statement to make, isn't it?
In my opinion, RMS is one of the most important figures in the field of computing, right up there with Turing and Tim Berners-Lee. If it weren't for him computing as we know it wouldn't have existed. And the Internet would have remained a small academic network connecting a few thousand universities. In fact, we wouldn't have been having this conversation at all.
With due respect to his efforts, from the evolution point of view, if he had not done it, someone else would have done it. Computers have not depended on one person to evolve. Having said that, I feel it is wrong to call him a defeated soldier as Naveen put it. He is the Amitabh Bachan of the software world and he had his glory days of innovation and development. Now he's old so cannot be expected to churn out code every day. People do retire. The new generation will now take over from him. Those who have met Amitabh and heard him speak may not be keen on meeting him again but there are many who would like to see him, meet him, talk to him so the announcement is for those individuals.
The word is free beer not free bear. A bear is a huge grizzly growly animal that is not fun to have around even if given free of cost.
My mistake, my bad. Teddy Bears are nice yaar. People pay money to have it in all forms and all sizes. My cousin couldnot sleep without it even when she was 12 or maybe more.
That's a pretty sweeping statement to make, isn't it?
In my opinion, RMS is one of the most important figures in the field of computing, right up there with Turing and Tim Berners-Lee. If it weren't for him computing as we know it wouldn't have existed.
Open standard computing and may be free web-hosting servers.
And the
Internet would have remained a small academic network connecting a few thousand universities. In fact, we wouldn't have been having this conversation at all.
I dun know what are you on. But I am on a MAC. And mind you the penetration of computing has happened world wide because of PC's & peripherals which run M$ Windows. And trust me in India people use a lot of assembled computers which by my guess runs a pirated version of Microsoft Windows.
With due respect to his efforts, from the evolution point of view, if he
had not done it, someone else would have done it.
Well I only appreciate the point that he has not given up. He has stood not like a fragment but like a milestone on the timeline of computing.
Computers have not depended on one person to evolve.
I agree but throughout history its always 1 man who has defined and added a line or two to the chapters in a flowing book called history. By the way did you know that Indian history is as written by the British. In the constitution book of India it is written, "India i.e. Bharat". and not Hindustan. Can u guess me why?
Having said that, I feel it is wrong to call him a defeated soldier as Naveen put it. He is the Amitabh Bachan of the software world and he had his glory days of innovation and development. Now he's old so cannot be expected to churn out code every day. People do retire. The new generation will now take over from him. Those who have met Amitabh and heard him speak may not be keen on meeting him again but there are many who would like to see him, meet him, talk to him so the announcement is for those individuals.
Amitabh Bacchan is called the last mogul of indian cinema though he is a hindu. He was the angry young man of Indian Cinema or call it bollywood for more than two or three decades. He took around 5 years of retirement and then launched the cash rich ABCL. He made more money with the talent hunt contest and launched 2+2 (male+female) new faces. He launched the Miss World Pageant and was ruined in terms of liquid cash assets. He did some movies with actress of less than half of his age and they were all flops, though launched and marketed in style. He got back in the Star plus KBC and made a fortune. He penetrated into the talks of every common man like I knew the answer to that question. Then roles were written for him and I think he has made a huge come back. An actor is some one who portrays characters in the cinema, people love the character and pursue the glory of the character in the actor and maybe vice versa and both outside the media in its various forms and inside the hearts and desires to pursue excellence in different facets of life. AB is a face head of IIFA and he speaks well.
Now tell me your take in this context and your perception about your idol, ideal or guru or icon or champ called RMS. I am eagerly waiting.
Regards, Navin Dhanuka
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 19:52 +0530, Rony wrote:
Now he's old so cannot be expected to churn out code every day
please define 'old' - and also explain why 'old' people cannot churn out code every day. I am highly insulted by this statement - next you will be saying that we should be put down?
On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 19:52 +0530, Rony wrote:
Now he's old so cannot be expected to churn out code every day
please define 'old' - and also explain why 'old' people cannot churn out code every day. I am highly insulted by this statement - next you will be saying that we should be put down?
KG: Right!
Guys, please take this fight somewhere else. This is already way off-topic, and certainly not how Indians welcome their guests.
Cheers,
Amol
On Friday 03 September 2010 07:23 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 19:52 +0530, Rony wrote:
Now he's old so cannot be expected to churn out code every day
please define 'old' - and also explain why 'old' people cannot churn out code every day. I am highly insulted by this statement - next you will be saying that we should be put down?
LOL! Good one. :-)
Now he's old so cannot be expected to churn out code every day
please define 'old' - and also explain why 'old' people cannot churn out code every day. I am highly insulted by this statement - next you will be saying that we should be put down?
Old is gold. And new is still not formed. You get contained in the gold and you want to attain the new.
Old people don't key the code. They have their algorithms and agendas and philosophies. New people have their inspiration and aspiration from the Old.
They want to cast something new, maybe continue the legacy or form a new league. What do you say?
Have u heard about the Ivy league.
After all that, to call him a "soldier who has been defeated" is just plain ignorant.
If you go to the core of his standard speech, the objective is its GNU/Linux its not Linux. Its free software, its not open source. We have stood so long, engineered great software given it for free and now we stand for protecting the philosophy and culture.
defeated i used because, hez going to educational institutes and Universities, where budding minds and engineers galore. He may or may not care about his existence and presence of any form in the corporate But he wants to take it to academia.
Navin
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Nitesh Mistry mailbox@mistrynitesh.net wrote:
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 12:26:58PM +0530, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
This is what I get from the mailing list and the website of the host.
Is it going to be the same standard speech which he has given n number of times.
if you have heard him several times you can possibly tell others whether it is worth listening to him or not. There are several people on the list who have not heard him, some of them may want to see the person and listen from the horses mouth even if they have seen the video. Lot of people in IIT want to listen to him.
I strongly recommend those of you who have not heard him before to go there and listen to him.
-- GN
National Conference on Free Software and Education http://79.136.118.252/fsinedu/ Venue
The venue for the inaugural function is Tagore Centenary Hall,Kozhikode, and for the seminar on 11th and 12th the venue will be NITC campus. For details visit;
http://79.136.118.252/fsinedu/
*Speaker*
*Richard Matthew Stallman*
Richard Matthew Stallman is a renown hacker and founder of GNU and the free software movement and The Free Software Foundation. His contributions include GNU C compiler, GNU debugger, and the GNU Emacs.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Nagarjuna G nagarjun@gnu.org.in wrote:
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Nitesh Mistry mailbox@mistrynitesh.net wrote:
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 12:26:58PM +0530, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
This is what I get from the mailing list and the website of the host.
Is it going to be the same standard speech which he has given n number
of
times.
if you have heard him several times you can possibly tell others whether it is worth listening to him or not. There are several people on the list who have not heard him, some of them may want to see the person and listen from the horses mouth even if they have seen the video. Lot of people in IIT want to listen to him.
I strongly recommend those of you who have not heard him before to go there and listen to him.
There are several people on the list who have not heard him, some of them may want to see the person and listen from the horses mouth even if they have seen the video. Lot of people in IIT want to listen to him.
I agree with you that people/pupils of IIT are some of the best budding engineers (they crack IIT-JEE). And they want to know the guiding philosophy and quality existence of perceptions and open innovations.
But I strongly feel there is a need for updation in the components of the objective of his speech.
I strongly recommend those of you who have not heard him before to go there and listen to him.
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Naveen Dhanuka neevaan@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with you that people/pupils of IIT are some of the best budding engineers (they crack IIT-JEE). And they want to know the guiding philosophy and quality existence of perceptions and open innovations.
But I strongly feel there is a need for updation in the components of the objective of his speech.
The speech is an introduction to software freedom. This is a prerequisite for understanding other more detailed speeches that he gives. You wont understand them unless you understand the meaning of software freedom. You are assuming that most of the audience already know them.
did you read his article on software patents, ACTA, articles on GPLV3, on cloud computing, web services? it seems you haven't. These are are updated speeches which are not given to new/novice audience. subscribe to the free software news letter, where you will be updated on RMS's new speeches and writings. then you will come to know about the other stuff. visit: www.gnu.org and read the latest stuff.
Your remarks in the other mail that he is lone soldier is not correct. free software movement is spreading into almost every continent during the last 25 years. software freedom is being protected and defended and we are going stronger than ever.
-- GN
The speech is an introduction to software freedom. This is a prerequisite for understanding other more detailed speeches that he gives.
I guess in IIT Convocation Hall, TIFR & Symbiosis Vishwa Bhawan in the last decade or so he has given the same speech. By which I conclude that the developer base in India has not grown. You were one of the founders of Mumbai LUG now GLUG. And now you are the First person of FSF-India.
I guess you have been just preaching about 4Laws of FS and its not linux its GNU/Linux and its not open source its Free Software. Can you send a reply about the CS research projects done after FSF India accepted your leadership. Attitude reflects leadership. And leadership is all about attitude. Do you understand the significance of my statement or its just another string in your inbox.
You wont understand them unless you understand the meaning of software freedom. You are assuming that most of the audience already know them.
My question is have u measured the impact of the previous recitations. Or you are a actor in the character or vice versa.
did you read his article on software patents, ACTA, articles on GPLV3,
on cloud computing, web services? it seems you haven't. These are are updated speeches which are not given to new/novice audience. subscribe to the free software news letter, where you will be updated on RMS's new speeches and writings. then you will come to know about the other stuff. visit: www.gnu.org and read the latest stuff.
I am an Information Architect. Tell me what is free software to do with Cloud Computing or Web Services. Cloud computing is the domain of big players like Amazon, Google and probably not Microsoft.
Your remarks in the other mail that he is lone soldier is not correct. free software movement is spreading into almost every continent during the last 25 years. software freedom is being protected and defended and we are going stronger than ever.
I use a Mac, I used to use Windows and then did install some or many distributions of Linux on it. I don't use a single free software or open sourced project.
Linux or GNU/Linux or open source or free software is used in invisible computing systems. I think I am right on this. Ask me again if you don't get it.
ND
On Thursday 02 September 2010 21:55:36 Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
did you read his article on software patents, ACTA, articles on GPLV3,
I did what about it? the reasoning was sound. The FSF took ample note of feedback and concerns, most of which was about the difficulty in obtaining consent of the innumerable contributors and probable shrinking of contributor base. If anything recent events have proven the opposers of V3 wrong, atleast in software patent enabled countries.
on cloud computing, web services? it seems you haven't. These are are updated speeches which are not given to new/novice audience. subscribe to the free software news letter, where you will be updated on RMS's new speeches and writings. then you will come to know about the other stuff. visit: www.gnu.org and read the latest stuff.
I am an Information Architect. Tell me what is free software to do with Cloud Computing or Web Services. Cloud computing is the domain of big players like Amazon, Google and probably not Microsoft.
Your remarks in the other mail that he is lone soldier is not correct. free software movement is spreading into almost every continent during the last 25 years. software freedom is being protected and defended and we are going stronger than ever.
I use a Mac, I used to use Windows and then did install some or many distributions of Linux on it. I don't use a single free software or open sourced project.
I dont use a single closed software and I am doing pretty well.
Linux or GNU/Linux or open source or free software is used in invisible computing systems. I think I am right on this. Ask me again if you don't get it.
Maybe it is invisible to you. As are the innards of a car to a driver. what has the invisible tech in computing (or cars, or anything else) got to do with users?
EVERYTHING. A dumb buyer is easily gyped of his money. Like the M$ users buying loads of mostly rubbish addons like office and antivirus.
If a user wishes to throw his money after knowing the facts, that is his choice and god speed to him. Otoh if he parts with his money without knowing the facts, he is dumb.
It amuses me no end that people pay good money to trap themselves.
I dont use a single closed software and I am doing pretty well.
Linux or GNU/Linux or open source or free software is used in invisible computing systems. I think I am right on this. Ask me again if you don't get it.
Maybe it is invisible to you. As are the innards of a car to a driver. what has the invisible tech in computing (or cars, or anything else) got to do with users?
For me the engineering behind the super simple and great interface of Google.com or the internet connection that I am using is a engineering which I am blind to. And should I care.
EVERYTHING. A dumb buyer is easily gyped of his money. Like the M$ users buying loads of mostly rubbish addons like office and antivirus.
If a user wishes to throw his money after knowing the facts, that is his choice and god speed to him. Otoh if he parts with his money without knowing the facts, he is dumb.
It amuses me no end that people pay good money to trap themselves.
I agree and I disagree.
Navin Dhanuka
On Thursday 02 September 2010 09:55 PM, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
I use a Mac, I used to use Windows and then did install some or many distributions of Linux on it. I don't use a single free software or open sourced project.
Then why are you on this list?
Linux or GNU/Linux or open source or free software is used in invisible computing systems.
My computer is not invisible. So are the computers of other LInux users on this list. If you are not a Linux user, why spend time in this list?
Then why are you on this list?
i used to be a budding hacker. I figured my way out and in of the software, compilers, philosophies and revenue models.
I am a Information Architect now.
Linux or GNU/Linux or open source or free software is used in invisible computing systems.
My computer is not invisible. So are the computers of other LInux users on this list. If you are not a Linux user, why spend time in this list?
Are u a linux user. You mean you have installed Linux kernel based distribution. Are u a desktop user. Are you a kernel hacker. What kind of libraries do you use or develop. Can you list a set of applications or utilities you contribute to.
I would love to here from you fellow lugger or glugger.
The speech is an introduction to software freedom. This is a prerequisite for understanding other more detailed speeches that he gives.
Well thats what I asked, did not I. Is it the same standard speech or is it an add on or may be some patches.
Navin
On Thursday 02 September 2010 11:05 PM, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
The speech is an introduction to software freedom. This is a prerequisite for understanding other more detailed speeches that he gives.
Well thats what I asked, did not I. Is it the same standard speech or is it an add on or may be some patches.
If you don't want to hear him, don't hear him. Why make a fuss about it?
On Thursday 02 September 2010 11:48:48 pm Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
Any URLs to the video recordings.
http://www.google.com/search?q=richard+stallman+speeches&hl=en&prmd=...
enjoy......
Thanks...
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Yohan Pereira yohan.pereira@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday 02 September 2010 11:48:48 pm Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
Any URLs to the video recordings.
http://www.google.com/search?q=richard+stallman+speeches&hl=en&prmd=...
enjoy......
- Yohan Pereira.
if you have heard him several times you can possibly tell others whether it is worth listening to him or not. There are several people on the list who have not heard him, some of them may want to see the person and listen from the horses mouth even if they have seen the video.
I understand what you said. People would like to hear from the iCON who has done such a big sacrifice of leaving AI labs of MIT to give the world free software which is free speech and free bear. He had the revenue model of selling the code he wrote on magnetic tapes and then with the advent of Internet and other accessories it failed.
Lot of people in IIT should be contributing to free software or to GPLed code in more than one sense.
I guess I have not seen something like that I come out of IIT. While the utility wget was written by an IITian.
Lot of people in IIT want to listen to him.
I strongly recommend those of you who have not heard him before to go there and listen to him.
What do you recommend to the people who have already heard the talk and taken conclusions from it.
On Thursday 02 September 2010 07:54 PM, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
While the utility wget was written by an IITian.
Is there any link on the net with reference to the above?
I understand what you said. People would like to hear from the iCON who has done such a big sacrifice of leaving AI labs of MIT to give the world free software which is free speech and free bear. He had the revenue model of selling the code he wrote on magnetic tapes and then with the advent of Internet and other accessories it failed.
Lot of people in IIT should be contributing to free software or to GPLed code in more than one sense.
I guess I have not seen something like that I come out of IIT. While the utility wget was written by an IITian.
Lot of people in IIT want to listen to him.
I strongly recommend those of you who have not heard him before to go there and listen to him.
What do you recommend to the people who have already heard the talk and taken conclusions from it.
Hi,
I just want to tell Naveen that we at IIT Bombay are contributing to the Free software movement for example the GCC Resource Center(http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/grc/) and the Virtual labs project which are currently going on are completely based on the FSF philosophy.
I wrote my first GNU licensed software after coming to IIT Bombay.I have been motived by people like GN and RMS. And I along with many of my friends here are really excited about RMS' visit.
Regards, Sushanth Poojary Virtual Lab IIT Bombay
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:03 PM, sushanth@iitb.ac.in wrote:
I just want to tell Naveen that we at IIT Bombay are contributing to the Free software movement for example the GCC Resource Center(http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/grc/) ...
AFAIK, the 'huge' patch done by GCC Resource Center is not in upstream GCC.
If yes, I would love to see it :)
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mistry@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK, the 'huge' patch done by GCC Resource Center is not in upstream GCC.
If yes, I would love to see it :)
Oh please ! You know the answer. Why ask the question ?
Oh please ! You know the answer. Why ask the question ?
Well I don't, and I want the answer. IIT has KRESIT and has a VC read venture capitalist.
I am sure some business models can be made if the project is as trueful and soulful as the name aims or pretends to.
Navin
AFAIK, the 'huge' patch done by GCC Resource Center is not in upstream GCC.
If yes, I would love to see it :)
-- Kartik Mistry Debian GNU/Linux Developer IRC: kart_ | Identica: @kartikm
Even I am interested in this. Can be there be a subtalk on this by you or your professor or research conceptualizer and executor on the same day.
Man IIT is IIT.
Some news daily reported that IIT = MIT + Stanford + Purdue
Its monday, but I am still coming for the talk.
Best Wishes & Regards, Navin Dhanuka
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Naveen Dhanuka neevaan@gmail.com wrote:
What do you recommend to the people who have already heard the talk and taken conclusions from it.
you can go deeper by spending time to understand the topics that are of current interest are opposition to software patents, DRM, ACTA and policing the Internet. please see some of the essays at gnu.org and also at EFF site.
-- GN
you can go deeper by spending time to understand the topics that are of current interest are opposition to software patents, DRM, ACTA and policing the Internet. please see some of the essays at gnu.org and also at EFF site.
Well engineers don't design software patents. And if this is the talk that you want to have then bring the lawyers along @ the conference.
I want your take on this. I think you skipped my mail on your Gnowledge project that is incompetently and unnecessarily essayed.
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Naveen Dhanuka neevaan@gmail.com wrote:
you can go deeper by spending time to understand the topics that are of current interest are opposition to software patents, DRM, ACTA and policing the Internet. please see some of the essays at gnu.org and also at EFF site.
Well engineers don't design software patents. And if this is the talk that you want to have then bring the lawyers along @ the conference.
we do. I am coming from one such event in Delhi, SFLC India is now operating from India. http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2010/aug/28/software-freedom-law-center-...
I want your take on this. I think you skipped my mail on your Gnowledge project that is incompetently and unnecessarily essayed.
this is off topic on this thread.
I ignored your mail since you did not exhibit any understanding and I see substantial difference between a hierarchical filesystem and networking system. So, I don't understand you.
we do. I am coming from one such event in Delhi, SFLC India is now operating from India.
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2010/aug/28/software-freedom-law-center-...
Are u not speaking a wrong message to a wrong audience.
I want your take on this. I think you skipped my mail on your Gnowledge project that is
incompetently
and unnecessarily essayed.
this is off topic on this thread.
I ignored your mail since you did not exhibit any understanding and I see substantial difference between a hierarchical filesystem and networking system. So, I don't understand you.
Hierarchial filesystem = files inside folder and folders inside folders. Networking System = expalin in context of gnowledge.
Regards
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Nagarjuna G nagarjun@gnu.org.in wrote:
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Naveen Dhanuka neevaan@gmail.com wrote:
What do you recommend to the people who have already heard the talk and taken conclusions from it.
you can go deeper by spending time to understand the topics that are of current interest are opposition to software patents, DRM, ACTA and policing the Internet. please see some of the essays at gnu.org and also at EFF site.
I am actually interested in knowing if i should be spending my time by coming to the most respective institution in the country, that is if I can add any value to me or to the event of speech.
Regards, Navin
if you have heard him several times you can possibly tell others whether it is worth listening to him or not.
Well you know me well. And you know I incarnated and institutionalized the first iteration of GNUnify - The All India Free Software Festival(should have called it The Free Software Festival).
I had or made to quit it because I don't like iterating in the same damn loop. And I agreed with the so called charity and verity of the stakeholders that we disagree. All the best e-wishes to them in their journey to create great engineering in a research institute.
Did you go to the other iterations. I did pay a visit to the websites, I only found the logo or symbol to be different.
They even have changed the slogan and maybe enthem. What do you say?
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 12:26 +0530, Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
the goals and philosophy of the Free Software Movement, and the
status and
history of the GNU operating system, which in combination with the
kernel
Linux is now used by tens of millions of users world-wide.
This is what I get from the mailing list and the website of the host.
Is it going to be the same standard speech which he has given n number of times.
if it isn't his fans will go home disappointed ;-)
if it isn't his fans will go home disappointed ;-)
He needs perceivers, developers and maybe preachers. Preachers across academia, across nations, across continents.
Fans are for arts and artists.
Check me if I am wrong.
Navin Dhanuka
Is it going to be the same standard speech which he has given n number of times.
if it isn't his fans will go home disappointed ;-)
regards Kenneth Gonsalves
The thread says its an introduction to the free software. Who do you predict that its his fans who are attending the show.
lame guess.
Navin
On Wednesday 01 September 2010 12:26:58 Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
the goals and philosophy of the Free Software Movement, and the status and history of the GNU operating system, which in combination with the kernel Linux is now used by tens of millions of users world-wide.
This is what I get from the mailing list and the website of the host.
Is it going to be the same standard speech which he has given n number of times.
It is meant for those who are unaware of the philosophy of free software or have never heard met RMS. My nephew for example. He knows about linux and roughly the principles of FOSS. But he has never seen RMS. He intends to attend. Or my brother who is very well informed about free software, but has never heard RMS. Unfortunately he is leaving India on the 6th.
The message and philosophy of freedom is imo the most important message and trumps all the other reasons of superiority by a very long shot. And every day increases the need to state that message. We are continuously assailed by those who seek control of resources, seeking to dilute the importance of freedom (software being one such resource). The recent rounds of patent litigation targeted at competitors using free software serves as a timely reminder. The Oracle-Sun-Google spat is particularly interesting and relevant to this thread. Google had signed several Agreements with Sun pertaining to the java engine. The contents are not public, but observing the contents of similar agreements one would safely guess that it pertains to restricted use of patented software. Google in it's opinion thought it fit to compromise the freedom aspect by signing such agreements and is paying the price. I am not passing judgement on google - the courts will decide that. But the moral is absolutely clear and has happened again and again. FREEDOM IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. Those who live by NDAs die by it.
In an ironical twist the authors of Java who allowed their stuff to be patented and profited, are now locked out of their own creation. Do i see regret? http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/let_larry_know_you_care
Given the way things are panning out in the knowledge industry ( i use the term deliberately), RMSs vision is Messianic.
On Wednesday 01 September 2010 12:26:58 pm Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
Is it going to be the same standard speech which he has given n number of times.
Will he get his katanas ?
he should.
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Yohan Pereira yohan.pereira@gmail.comwrote:
On Wednesday 01 September 2010 12:26:58 pm Naveen Dhanuka wrote:
Is it going to be the same standard speech which he has given n number of times.
Will he get his katanas ?
he should.
katanas is the "samurai sword". Was he bestowed with it by the Japan or by UK. Japan once the empire of Japan made katanas to accommodate two hands with long grip. Would like to bring my digicam.
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