10 Mar
2011
10 Mar
'11
10:35 a.m.
Hi,
Free 51 Book Summaries....
Offer only valid till 1st April 2011.
http://51nuts.com/summaries.html
Hurrryyy...
51Nuts.com
10 Mar
10 Mar
10:47 a.m.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Navin Dhanuka
<information.architect.007(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Free 51 Book Summaries....
Offer only valid till 1st April 2011.
http://51nuts.com/summaries.html
How does this qualify at ILUG-BOM list?
--
Kartik Mistry
Debian GNU/Linux Developer
IRC: kart_ | Identica: @kartikm
12:21 p.m.
How does this qualify at ILUG-BOM list?
FOSS apps do need better UI, UX & IA/.
1:02 p.m.
On Thursday 10 March 2011 17:51:00 Navin Dhanuka wrote:
> > http://51nuts.com/summaries.html
>
> How does this qualify at ILUG-BOM list?
Twisted Commercial.
FOSS apps do need better UI, UX & IA/.
A printed index and preview of books could have been published on the
net itself. Why the hell do they require my email id other than to
spam.
--
Rgds
JTD
2:10 p.m.
FOSS apps do need better UI, UX & IA/.
A printed index and preview of books could have been published on the
net itself. Why the hell do they require my email id other than to
spam.
--
Rgds
JTD
Because this is a limited offer...
After 1st April any one who wants access has to pay for it,
Regards,
Navin Dhanuka
2:22 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Navin Dhanuka
<information.architect.007(a)gmail.com> wrote:
FOSS has nothing to do with 'hurry, limited edition'. Please don't
twist and post commercial stuffs. I've noticed that you did cross post
also and what is reaction of other group admin.
List admin - can we please note of this?
kthxbye.
--
Kartik Mistry
Debian GNU/Linux Developer
IRC: kart_ | Identica: @kartikm
A printed
index and preview of books could have been published on the
net itself. Why the hell do they require my email id other than to
spam.
Because this is a limited offer...
After 1st April any one who wants access has to pay for it,
2:34 p.m.
On Thursday 10 March 2011 19:40:05 Navin Dhanuka wrote:
So how does that change anything about requring my email?
Pay to get a review of books, which you then pay to buy from amazon.
Give us a break.
--
Rgds
JTD
FOSS apps do
need better UI, UX & IA/.
A printed index and preview of books could have been published on
the net itself. Why the hell do they require my email id other
than to spam.
--
Rgds
JTD
Because this is a limited offer...
After 1st April any one who wants access has to pay for it, 
2:46 p.m.
On Mar 10, 2011, at 8:04 PM, jtd wrote:
So how does that change anything about requring my
email?
Pay to get a review of books, which you then pay to buy from amazon.
Give us a break.
Jude, ditto!
Navin, bad move. Totally.
Also, instead of him giving us a break; I'd suggest the list admin give us
a break - from him. If my memory serves me right, this is not the first
instance.
Amol Hatwar
2:58 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Amol Hatwár <amol.hatwar(a)exceed.co.in> wrote:
Also, instead of him giving us a break; I'd
suggest the list admin give us
a break - from him. If my memory serves me right, this is not the first
instance.
+1.
--
Kartik Mistry
Debian GNU/Linux Developer
IRC: kart_ | Identica: @kartikm
11 Mar
11 Mar
5:46 a.m.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Kartik Mistry <kartik.mistry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Amol Hatwár
<amol.hatwar(a)exceed.co.in> wrote:
I am not unsubscribing him just as yet. But, I have put him on
moderation. If he keeps repeating such offences then I will
unsubscribe him from the mailing list.
--
With Regards,
Mehul Ved
Also, instead of him giving us a break; I'd
suggest the list admin give us
a break - from him. If my memory serves me right, this is not the first
instance.
+1. 
6:32 a.m.
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 11:16 +0530, Mehul Ved wrote:
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Kartik Mistry
<kartik.mistry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I am not unsubscribing him just as yet. But, I have put him on
moderation. If he keeps repeating such offences then I will
unsubscribe him from the mailing list.
Moderation is evil. who exactly is going to decide what is good
behaviour or bad? Or are you going to sit with him and counsel him? Put
him on a couch and reform him? Such big brother attitude does not belong
in a LUG. Either keep the person - or ban him. Moderation is also not
good for the soul of the moderator - sooner or later it goes to his head
and he becomes a tyrant. As far as I know this list has been governed by
peer pressure so far - please keep it that way.
--
regards
KG
http://lawgon.livejournal.com
Coimbatore LUG rox
http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Amol Hatwár
<amol.hatwar(a)exceed.co.in> wrote:
> Also, instead of him giving us a break;
I'd suggest the list admin
give us
> a break - from him. If my memory serves me
right, this is not the
first
instance.
+1. 
6:59 a.m.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com>wrote;wrote:
Moderation is evil. who exactly is going to decide
what is good
behaviour or bad?
Can we just vote up and unsubscribe instead of moderating
+1 to unsubscribe
--
regards
KG
http://lawgon.livejournal.com
Coimbatore LUG rox
http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/
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Regards
Mukesh Yadav
7:11 a.m.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Mukesh Yadav <mak.gnu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com>wrote;wrote:
Or maybe we can just trust the list admins to block anything that is
spam from this user and pass all legitimate posts through. If you
can't trust your list admin to distinguish between spam and ham, maybe
you should be looking for a new list admin?
Regards,
-- Raj
Moderation is evil. who exactly is going to
decide what is good
behaviour or bad?
Can we just vote up and unsubscribe instead of moderating
+1 to unsubscribe
7:40 a.m.
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 12:41 +0530, Raj Mathur wrote:
and how does he do this without putting the member 'on moderation' or
'in jail' as the India's most notorious moderator would put it?
--
regards
KG
http://lawgon.livejournal.com
Coimbatore LUG rox
http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/
Can we just
vote up and unsubscribe instead of moderating
+1 to unsubscribe
Or maybe we can just trust the list admins to block anything that is
spam from this user and pass all legitimate posts through.
7:16 a.m.
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 12:29 +0530, Mukesh Yadav wrote:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com>wrote;wrote:
-1 to unsubscribe - I do not think he is a wanton troll, nor has he sold
his address book to some social networking site. If he does not get
suitably cooked by all the flames, then we can reconsider.
--
regards
KG
http://lawgon.livejournal.com
Coimbatore LUG rox
http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/
Moderation is evil. who exactly is going to
decide what is good
behaviour or bad?
Can we just vote up and unsubscribe instead of moderating
+1 to unsubscribe 
4:10 p.m.
On Friday 11 March 2011 12:02 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
Moderation is evil. who exactly is going to decide what is good
behaviour or bad? Or are you going to sit with him and counsel him? Put
him on a couch and reform him? Such big brother attitude does not belong
in a LUG. Either keep the person - or ban him. Moderation is also not
good for the soul of the moderator - sooner or later it goes to his head
and he becomes a tyrant. As far as I know this list has been governed by
peer pressure so far - please keep it that way.
This is strange. To protect the freedom of the member in question we
should throw him out instead of giving him a chance to improve.
Moderation is only a temporary measure to ensure that inappropriate
mails do not reach the list and trouble everyone. Who decides that the
mail is inappropriate; well some already want to throw the member out,
what more proof?
--
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Regards,
Rony.
5:35 p.m.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This is strange. To protect the freedom of the member
in question we
should throw him out instead of giving him a chance to improve.
Moderation is only a temporary measure to ensure that inappropriate
mails do not reach the list and trouble everyone. Who decides that the
mail is inappropriate; well some already want to throw the member out,
what more proof?
Look for archive and other mailing list for proof.
(Don't be amused)
--
Kartik Mistry
Debian GNU/Linux Developer
IRC: kart_ | Identica: @kartikm
12 Mar
12 Mar
5:27 a.m.
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 21:40 +0530, Rony wrote:
On Friday 11 March 2011 12:02 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:
please get a Phd in psychiatry and apply for the post of moderator.
--
regards
KG
http://lawgon.livejournal.com
Coimbatore LUG rox
http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/
Moderation is evil. who exactly is going to decide what is good
behaviour or bad? Or are you going to sit with him and counsel him?
Put
him on a couch and reform him? Such big brother
attitude does not
belong
in a LUG. Either keep the person - or ban him.
Moderation is also
not
good for the soul of the moderator - sooner or
later it goes to his
head
and he becomes a tyrant. As far as I know this
list has been
governed by
peer pressure so far - please keep it that way.
This is strange. To protect the freedom of the member in question we
should throw him out instead of giving him a chance to improve.
Moderation is only a temporary measure to ensure that inappropriate
mails do not reach the list and trouble everyone.
2:37 p.m.
On Saturday 12 March 2011 10:57 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 21:40 +0530, Rony wrote:
I am already a moderator on another (non-technical) list.
--
As a proper list etiquette...
Please trim your replies.
Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space.
Do not re-use old messages to write new ones.
Regards,
Rony.
This is strange. To protect the freedom of the member in question we
should throw him out instead of giving him a chance to improve.
Moderation is only a temporary measure to ensure that inappropriate
mails do not reach the list and trouble everyone.
please get a Phd in psychiatry
and apply for the post of moderator.
14 Mar
14 Mar
5:01 a.m.
On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 20:07 +0530, Rony wrote:
On Saturday 12 March 2011 10:57 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:
I am already a moderator on another (non-technical) list.
and currently how many people are in preventive detention on that list?
--
regards
KG
http://lawgon.livejournal.com
Coimbatore LUG rox
http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 21:40 +0530, Rony wrote:
>
> This is strange. To protect the freedom of the member in question
we
should
throw him out instead of giving him a chance to improve.
Moderation is only a temporary measure to ensure that inappropriate
mails do not reach the list and trouble everyone.
please get a Phd in psychiatry
and apply for the post of moderator.
8:15 a.m.
On Monday 14 March 2011 10:31 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 20:07 +0530, Rony wrote:
None as yet. Preventive detention would be a wrong term, as detention
isolates the person from the mainstream activity. In moderation there is
no isolation. There is just an additional manual filter added for
incoming messages from that member to prevent any repeat mistakes of
sending disturbing messages to the list. His list compliant messages get
sent to the list. He keeps receiving list messages as before.
--
As a proper list etiquette...
Please trim your replies.
Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space.
Do not re-use old messages to write new ones.
Regards,
Rony.
On Saturday 12 March 2011 10:57 AM, Kenneth
Gonsalves wrote:
I am already a moderator on another
(non-technical) list.
and currently how many people are in preventive detention on
that list? On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 21:40 +0530, Rony wrote:
> This is strange. To protect the freedom of the member in question
we
should
throw him out instead of giving him a chance to improve.
Moderation is only a temporary measure to ensure that inappropriate
mails do not reach the list and trouble everyone.
please get a Phd in psychiatry
and apply for the post of moderator.
8:52 a.m.
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 13:45 +0530, Rony wrote:
list?
None as yet. Preventive detention would be a wrong term, as detention
isolates the person from the mainstream activity. In moderation there
is
no isolation. There is just an additional manual filter added for
incoming messages from that member to prevent any repeat mistakes of
sending disturbing messages to the list. His list compliant messages
get
sent to the list. He keeps receiving list messages as before.
would censorship be the correct term?
--
regards
KG
http://lawgon.livejournal.com
Coimbatore LUG rox
http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/
>>>
should throw him out instead of giving him a chance to improve.
>>> Moderation is only a temporary measure to ensure that
inappropriate
>>> mails do not reach the list and
trouble everyone.
>> please get a Phd in psychiatry and apply for the post of
moderator.
I am
already a moderator on another (non-technical) list.
and currently how many people
are in preventive detention on that
3:30 p.m.
On Monday 14 March 2011 02:22 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 13:45 +0530, Rony wrote:
list?
None as yet. Preventive detention would be a wrong term, as detention
isolates the person from the mainstream activity. In moderation there
is
no isolation. There is just an additional manual filter added for
incoming messages from that member to prevent any repeat mistakes of
sending disturbing messages to the list. His list compliant messages
get
sent to the list. He keeps receiving list messages as before. would censorship be
the correct term?
To some extent, only to ensure that disturbing messages do not make it
to everyone's inbox again.
--
As a proper list etiquette...
Please trim your replies.
Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space.
Do not re-use old messages to write new ones.
Regards,
Rony.
>>> should throw him out instead of giving him a chance to improve.
>>> Moderation is only a temporary measure to ensure that
inappropriate
>>> mails do not reach the list and
trouble everyone.
>> please get a Phd in psychiatry and apply for the post of
moderator.
I am
already a moderator on another (non-technical) list.
and currently how many people
are in preventive detention on that
15 Mar
15 Mar
2 a.m.
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 21:00 +0530, Rony wrote:
and who will censor the censor? we do not know which messages he is
rejecting - suppose he errs in his judgment?
--
regards
KG
http://lawgon.livejournal.com
Coimbatore LUG rox
http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/
would
censorship be the correct term?
To some extent, only to ensure that disturbing messages do not make
it
to everyone's inbox again.
2:24 a.m.
On Tuesday 15 Mar 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 21:00 +0530, Rony wrote:
and who will censor the censor? we do not know which messages he is
rejecting - suppose he errs in his judgment?
Just go to another list -- no one is forcing you to remain here if you
don't trust the list administrators. Or start your own list with your
own rules. No one's stopping you from doing that either.
Now let's have another 50 meaningful messages about some inconsequential
response to some inconsequential spam. Just because it's done that way
the world over doesn't mean it's good enough for our list members -- oh
no, we have to dissect each atom and examine each quark until we can
extract the last amount of meaning and entertainment from it. Otherwise
how do we get our money's worth from the list?
Request to list moderator goose-stepping nazi banana republic
cannibalistic dictator types: please put everyone who's contributed to
this thread (including me) immediately on moderation.
Regards,
-- Raj
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PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves
would
censorship be the correct term?
To some extent, only to ensure that disturbing messages do not make
it
to everyone's inbox again.
5:10 a.m.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 07:54 +0530, Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) wrote:
it doesn't work like that. I like this list and I do not want it to
become like some lists I used to be a member of - with a bunch of
egoistic admins who spend their time being heavy-handed with members.
Most of those lists are dead or dying. It is the duty of every member to
make sure this one does not head down that slippery slope. And kicking
people from the list is not death sentence. They can always rejoin under
another id. It is not like the old days when email ids were difficult to
obtain and expensive.
--
regards
KG
http://lawgon.livejournal.com
Coimbatore LUG rox
http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/
and who will
censor the censor? we do not know which messages he is
rejecting - suppose he errs in his judgment?
Just go to another list -- no one is forcing you to remain here if
you
don't trust the list administrators. Or start your own list with
your
own rules. No one's stopping you from doing that either.
4:13 p.m.
On Tuesday 15 March 2011 10:40 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 07:54 +0530, Raj Mathur (राज
माथुर) wrote:
it doesn't work
like that. I like this list and I do not want it to
become like some lists I used to be a member of - with a bunch of
egoistic admins who spend their time being heavy-handed with members.
Loosen up at little. If we have survived for many years on this list
then rest assured that the admins are quite liberal.
and who
will censor the censor? we do not know which messages he is
rejecting - suppose he errs in his judgment?
Just go to another list -- no one is
forcing you to remain here if
you
don't trust the list administrators. Or start your own list with
your
own rules. No one's stopping you from doing that either. And kicking
people from the list is not death sentence. They can always rejoin under
another id. It is not like the old days when email ids were difficult to
obtain and expensive.
Kicking a member out is insulting and demeaning and should be used only
as a last resort when everything else fails. An email ID is not just a
group of text characters, it is an individual's identity, it represents
his/her self.
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Regards,
Rony.
16 Mar
16 Mar
12:25 a.m.
New subject: Is moderation evil [was] Free 8-10 page Summary on books of UI, UX & IA
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 21:43 +0530, Rony wrote:
members.
Loosen up at little. If we have survived for many years on this list
then rest assured that the admins are quite liberal.
you have totally missed the point. It is not a question of 'not trusting
the admins' or that 'the admins are liberal'. I have known the current
admins of this list for several years and worked with them on many
occasions. Do I trust them? Yes, for example I know if they commit to
attend a workshop or a conference, I need not worry. They will be there.
Yes, if the list goes down they will not rest till it comes up. But
censorship and moderation is something different. I would not trust
Mother Theresa or Mahatma Gandhi or even myself in this matter. In these
matters it is only peer pressure out in the open that keeps a list
self-moderated. This is my opinion, and from what I can see of the
successful mailing lists in India, it is followed. The lists that have
followed the path of moderation are mostly dead or dying.
--
regards
KG
http://lawgon.livejournal.com
Coimbatore LUG rox
http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/
own rules. No one's stopping you from doing that
either.
it doesn't work like that. I like this list and I do not want it to
become like some lists I used to be a member of - with a bunch of
egoistic admins who spend their time being heavy-handed with
15 Mar
15 Mar
4:16 p.m.
On Tuesday 15 March 2011 07:54 AM, Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) wrote:
Request to list moderator goose-stepping nazi banana republic
cannibalistic dictator types:
LOL!
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14 Apr
14 Apr
7:59 a.m.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com>wrote;wrote:
Moderation is evil. who exactly is going to decide what is good
behaviour or bad? Or are you going to sit with him and counsel him? Put
him on a couch and reform him? Such big brother attitude does not belong
in a LUG. Either keep the person - or ban him. Moderation is also not
good for the soul of the moderator - sooner or later it goes to his head
and he becomes a tyrant. As far as I know this list has been governed by
peer pressure so far - please keep it that way.
+1
--
Aniket Suryavanshi
B.Sc. (Computer Science) student.
bit.ly/kietan | bit.ly/aniket1
10 Mar
10 Mar
10:49 a.m.
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 16:05 +0530, Navin Dhanuka wrote:
Free 51 Book Summaries....
Offer only valid till 1st April 2011.
looks like you have a virus - please reformat your hard disk (or upgrade
to linux)
--
regards
KG
http://lawgon.livejournal.com
Coimbatore LUG rox
http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/
12 Mar
12 Mar
8:45 a.m.
Hello Everyone,
I am new user of fedora 13. I want to run internet in fedora 13 but i am not
able to run can anyone tell me which driver is require to run it and from
where i can get it (sen me link)
i will be very thanksfull to all
9:03 a.m.
On 03/12/2011 09:45 AM, dharmendra pal wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I am new user of fedora 13. I want to run internet in fedora 13 but i am not
able to run can anyone tell me which driver is require to run it and from
where i can get it (sen me link)
i will be very thanksfull to all
If you need help, first thing you should do is
start a new thread with
clear subject line. What you just did is called hijacking.
So, please start a new thread with a subject line 'Help Needed in
installing Fedora 13'.
Welcome to Fedora.
Swapnil
Muktware.com
2:30 p.m.
New subject: Fedora 13 Internet Problem ( was Free 8-10 page Summary on books of UI, UX & IA )
On Saturday 12 March 2011 02:15 PM, dharmendra pal wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I am new user of fedora 13. I want to run internet in fedora 13 but i am not
able to run can anyone tell me which driver is require to run it and from
where i can get it (sen me link)
i will be very thanksfull to all
The question is vague. You need to give more details of type of internet
service, connection, and till what stage did you reach and where do you
get stuck etc.
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Mehul Ved -
Mukesh Yadav -
Navin Dhanuka -
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