Hi all,
Would like speakers, volunteers, suggestions for the planned workshop. So far, Nagarjun, Dinesh and SameerDS (thats me) have agreed to speak. The focus will be on PC Vendors, so the topics would be as follows:
Various Distributions Installations of various types Network settings Desktop Applications and other productivity tools Generaly System Adminstration
Sameer.
PS: Chetan Vaity, an MTech student from KReSIT who's also on this list, has also agreed to chip in, so he can act as point-man between us and DEP if I am not able to.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:42:06PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
GLUG Meeting on 13th July, 4pm at KReSIT, IIT Campus, Powai.
Hi all,
Would like speakers, volunteers, suggestions for the planned workshop. So far, Nagarjun, Dinesh and SameerDS (thats me) have agreed to speak. The focus will be on PC Vendors, so the topics would be as follows:
If it is for the vendors then I guess you need to tell them about the H/W related problems. The supported H/W and places to find for drivers which are not included in the distribution. How to recompile the kernel to support more H/W, etc.
I would like to act as a volunteer. Let me know if there is something I can do.
Various Distributions Installations of various types Network settings Desktop Applications and other productivity tools Generaly System Adminstration
Sameer,
Can you pass on the day schedule of the workshop??. What about someone talking about Gnu-Linux and its use in the Enterprise/Gnu-Linux and 802.11/Gnu-Linux and Embedded Devices/Gnu-Linux for an isp setup....etc.
Lemme know about the same. A CC to "trevorwarren@softhome.net" would help only for this as i have filters for ilug.
Trevor
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 15:42, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
GLUG Meeting on 13th July, 4pm at KReSIT, IIT Campus, Powai.
Hi all,
Would like speakers, volunteers, suggestions for the planned workshop. So far, Nagarjun, Dinesh and SameerDS (thats me) have agreed to speak. The focus will be on PC Vendors, so the topics would be as follows:
Various Distributions Installations of various types Network settings Desktop Applications and other productivity tools Generaly System Adminstration
Sameer.
PS: Chetan Vaity, an MTech student from KReSIT who's also on this list, has also agreed to chip in, so he can act as point-man between us and DEP if I am not able to. -- Research Scholar, KReSIT, IIT Bombay http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~sameerds/
Hi,
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:42:06PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
Various Distributions Installations of various types Network settings Desktop Applications and other productivity tools Generaly System Adminstration
What I suggest is as following.
1. Free S/W philosophy (Why Free S/W?) 2. Installation of Debian (Has any one tried GUI Debian Installer?) 3. Various Distros and Package Management (APT, RPM, tgz, Sources). 4. Hardware Competibility issues and resources. 5. Networking - Ethernet and PPP (Dial-up) 6. Over view of basic apps - OpenOffice, WWW, Mail, Graphics, IM, Chat 7. Basic SysAdmin - User Management, File Perms, Mount/umount, basic CLI 8. Basic Troubleshooting and various resources to get help.
Sameer.
PS: Chetan Vaity, an MTech student from KReSIT who's also on this list, has also agreed to chip in, so he can act as point-man between us and DEP if I am not able to.
With regards,
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:06:35 +0530 "Harsh" mailme@backendguru.com wrote:
| debian installation is scary for beginners try redhat or knoppix [snip] I totally disagree with you, debian is not hard to install it is very easy the reason people say debian is hard to install is because the installer is console based and not gui. i had just installed rh9 on my pc it took me well over an hour to install a standard install where as in debian i am done in less than 15 mins minus all the packages i dont need.
another reason people say debian is hard cause of the dselect package management software, i say its not so there are easier ones now such as aptitude, or stormpkg.
redhat is no doubt easy to install but why not try mandrake which is easier than the red hat installer or esware/xandros/libranet these are based on debian and are as easy to install as redhat dont believe me then check out the links below of the installation.
ESware365 Linux http://www.esware.com/productos/imagenesinstalacion/imagen11.jpg http://www.esware.com/productos/imagenesinstalacion/imagen5.jpg
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 05:21:52PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
What I suggest is as following.
- Free S/W philosophy (Why Free S/W?)
- Installation of Debian (Has any one tried GUI Debian Installer?)
- Various Distros and Package Management (APT, RPM, tgz, Sources).
- Hardware Competibility issues and resources.
- Networking - Ethernet and PPP (Dial-up)
- Over view of basic apps - OpenOffice, WWW, Mail, Graphics, IM, Chat
- Basic SysAdmin - User Management, File Perms, Mount/umount, basic CLI
- Basic Troubleshooting and various resources to get help.
There you go! That just about sums up what we want to cover. But I do suggest that we show either RedHat or Mandrake rather than Debian ... remember, this is not for geeky techies but for a bunch of PC Vendors who need to be able to support the installations they do later. No matter what we know about various distros, when it comes to normal people who don't really care about computer systems, what's popular is what goes.
We can definitely hand out Knoppix CDs for demo purposes and if we can get RedHat to give us free CDs as well, nothing like it!
So far, Amish, Trevor, Dinesh, Nikhil have wrote in about the workshop, but we definitely need help to get this done.
Here's a few things that need to be addressed: 1. Slides - due to the distance medium, there are a few constraints to be followed when preparing slides to make sure they all show up well in the remote centers. The DEP has a few templates for that, we need a one or two guys who can help create the slides and make sure they fit the requirements. 2. Printed handouts - if we want the DEP to get the handouts done and sent to the remote centers, the final versions will have to be ready and handed over to DEP by 15th August, Friday. 3. Speakers - For the pamphlet, since the time was short, I just put in Nag and my name as speakers. But we really need good people who understand the issues in a small office or home who can talk to the participants. Things like dial-up networking, cable-modems, gateway and proxy setups, laptop installations ... 4. Publicity - unfortunately, I was wrong about this part. DEP does not take out advertisements in local newspapers and all. They can send out official DEP pamphlets if we can suggest addresses to them. So this is mostly upto us. Good idea would be to post on the LUGs in Pune, Hyderabad, Nanded and Indore with a link to http://www.dep.iitb.ac.in/rc.html for information on the remote centers. 5. Handing out CDs - the people at DEP unofficially promised they can lend me their five CD writers if we need to churn out CDs, but again, if more people can help out, even better!
Sameer.
Hello,
A bit of a problem with sound on my work i810 motherboard.
I use 32-ohm AKG headphones and the onboard AC97 sound doesn't have the grunt to drive them. I've put in a PCI YMF724 card, which shows up in /proc/pci but without an IRQ mentioned. The kernel module won't load.
What am I missing? Do I need to disable the AC97 first? If so, how?
TIA
On Friday 18 July 2003 17:12, Tushar Burman wrote:
Hello,
A bit of a problem with sound on my work i810 motherboard.
I use 32-ohm AKG headphones and the onboard AC97 sound doesn't have
the
grunt to drive them. I've put in a PCI YMF724 card, which shows up
in
ALc100 chipset can drive 32 ohms easily. Check the headphones. modprobe -r ac97_codec modprobe ymfpci
rgds jtdsouza@softhome.net
On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 13:27, J. T. D'souza wrote:
ALc100 chipset can drive 32 ohms easily. Check the headphones. modprobe -r ac97_codec modprobe ymfpci
Apparently not. Or maybe the problem is that the output is not amplified. Either way, the phones worked with very low volume with no bass using onboard sound, but with the Yamaha board, they're pumping.
On Saturday 19 July 2003 14:13, Tushar Burman wrote:
On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 13:27, J. T. D'souza wrote:
ALc100 chipset can drive 32 ohms easily.
Apparently not. Or maybe the problem is that the output is not amplified. Either way, the phones worked with very low volume with
no
bass using onboard sound, but with the Yamaha board, they're
pumping.
Maybe the sensitivity of the headphones is low. This is done in some Hi-Fi models to flatten the response. I tried out a ymf724. The mic input was extremely noisy. Did not have time to figure out why.
Has anyone tried out vt1612 audio on the via mobo?. Mine worked but output was totally distorted by noise when the mic was connected.
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 04:23:43PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 05:21:52PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
What I suggest is as following.
- Free S/W philosophy (Why Free S/W?)
- Installation of Debian (Has any one tried GUI Debian Installer?)
- Various Distros and Package Management (APT, RPM, tgz, Sources).
- Hardware Competibility issues and resources.
- Networking - Ethernet and PPP (Dial-up)
- Over view of basic apps - OpenOffice, WWW, Mail, Graphics, IM, Chat
- Basic SysAdmin - User Management, File Perms, Mount/umount, basic CLI
- Basic Troubleshooting and various resources to get help.
There you go! That just about sums up what we want to cover. But I do suggest that we show either RedHat or Mandrake rather than Debian ...
I beg to differ. We MUST do Debian install, as
We, as a UG, should be vendor neutral. Why promot someone else's brand? Why put users/vendors in present or future legal issues/troubles? Debian installation is NOT difficult. Debian GUI istallation is available NOW. (pgi - "piggy" or Knoppix.)
remember, this is not for geeky techies but for a bunch of PC Vendors who need to be able to support the installations they do later. No matter what we know about various distros, when it comes to normal people who don't really care about computer systems, what's popular is what goes.
We have to give up this mentality of treating the "other" people as "dumb". One does not have to be a geek or a techie to use Debian. In fact, "apt" is probably the best available tool for system/package management for an "average" user.
As for the actual install process, following are the important steps, which are common to all distros.
Making system bootable from CD. Understanding partitioning. Packages/Software/task selection. Dual boot and Boot Manager (LILO/GRUB). X Windows Configuration. Other hardware detection.
All the distros have to handle this and Debian definitely handles all of the above efficiently and intuitively.
This will also have positive side effect. We wan't have to bother about support emails which says "I have Linux version 7.2/8.0/9.0/9.1 etc." ;-)
So far, Amish, Trevor, Dinesh, Nikhil have wrote in about the workshop, but we definitely need help to get this done.
- Speakers - For the pamphlet, since the time was short, I just put
in Nag and my name as speakers. But we really need good people who understand the issues in a small office or home who can talk to the participants. Things like dial-up networking, cable-modems, gateway and proxy setups, laptop installations ...
hmmm...
<rant/flame bait>
I am wondering whether it was *really* the time which forced you to not mention other people in the pamphlet, or
You really don't want/need assistance/contributions from other ppl.
You don't *feel* other ppl are "important/big/marketable" enough? AFAIK, most of the ppl have given their names well in advance (As early as GLUG meet at PUKAR).
Please don't take this as personal. And you need not to reply/explain. I have just taken this oppertunity to point out certain facts.
Lately I have seen that ppl don't acknowledge others for their contributions, however "small", to various events and take contributions for granted. This could be the possible reason why we have so poor participation from ppl, eventhough we have very large UG.
Remember, Free software movement only works and revolves around acknowledging others for their, however "small" is their, contributions. (Otherwise, why RMS have to cry himself hoarse for GNU/Linux and not Linux?) </rant/flame bait>
Flames >/dev/null Different Opinions/Views welcome. :-)
With regards,
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 06:26:02AM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
I am wondering whether it was *really* the time which forced you to not mention other people in the pamphlet, or
You really don't want/need assistance/contributions from other ppl.
You don't *feel* other ppl are "important/big/marketable" enough? AFAIK, most of the ppl have given their names well in advance (As early as GLUG meet at PUKAR).
Please don't take this as personal. And you need not to reply/explain. I have just taken this oppertunity to point out certain facts.
Bad context to explain facts. This is definitely not the right thread to "see an opportunity to make a point", and I do indeed take this personally. I must reply as a part of this thread ... the names I gave, are to be printed on the brochures that go out, and I am sure you would agree that only people who confirmed should be mentioned. There was no time to confirm other speakers ... I tried calling Trevor, you ... neither answered. I had to do it at that very time, sitting in the DEP office.
So coming back to the workshop ... any volunteers, ideas? We are running out of time ... Dinesh, can I rely on you to do the installation demo?
Sameer.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 01:33:33AM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 06:26:02AM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
I am wondering whether it was *really* the time which forced you to not mention other people in the pamphlet, or
You really don't want/need assistance/contributions from other ppl.
You don't *feel* other ppl are "important/big/marketable" enough? AFAIK, most of the ppl have given their names well in advance (As early as GLUG meet at PUKAR).
Please don't take this as personal. And you need not to reply/explain. I have just taken this oppertunity to point out certain facts.
Bad context to explain facts. This is definitely not the right thread to "see an opportunity to make a point", and I do indeed take this personally. I must reply as a part of this thread ... the names I
Indeed? Why you think this point should not be brought up in this *context* and thread? Does it make you uncomfortable?
gave, are to be printed on the brochures that go out, and I am sure you would agree that only people who confirmed should be mentioned.
That was my point. The confirmations came as early as PUKAR meet, (Read above) even before topics were finalised! Were the brochures printed before that?
There was no time to confirm other speakers ... I tried calling Trevor, you ... neither answered. I had to do it at that very time, sitting in the DEP office.
I highly appreciate your *afforts* in reaching out to me and Trevor and failing to get an answer. ;-)
So coming back to the workshop ... any volunteers, ideas? We are running out of time ... Dinesh, can I rely on you to do the installation demo?
I can do the demo of the Debian/RedHat/SuSE/Slackware Install. However, Warren has offered to do the same, so I can take something else if you wish. Let me know of the topic(s) i have to cover so I can prepare for the same.
Sameer.
With regards,
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:47:28PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
I can do the demo of the Debian/RedHat/SuSE/Slackware Install. However, Warren has offered to do the same, so I can take something else if you wish. Let me know of the topic(s) i have to cover so I can prepare for the same.
Thats great. You want to do the session on networking, firewalls etc? Don't know if we should combine mail, web into this or keep it as a separate talk.
Warren, I was thinking of doing a general tour of the jargon involved in using GNU/Linux - details about partitions, X, desktop environments and window managers, driver modules in the kernel etc. I suppose that would save you a lot of trouble in explaining things as the installation proceeds. What say?
Another option is to talk on rc.d related stuff and general server administration like users, groups, pam, logging etc.
Anyone interested to do a tour of the Desktops and related applications?
Sameer.
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 10:08:10AM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:47:28PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
I can do the demo of the Debian/RedHat/SuSE/Slackware Install. However, Warren has offered to do the same, so I can take something else if you wish. Let me know of the topic(s) i have to cover so I can prepare for the same.
Thats great. You want to do the session on networking, firewalls etc? Don't know if we should combine mail, web into this or keep it as a separate talk.
I think we should stick to the agenda we have desided before.
If Warren confirms his availability for Debian Installation, I can take up Package Management / Networking / Basic SysAdmin / Troubleshooting.
Anyone interested to do a tour of the Desktops and related applications?
Warren has done Tour of Desktop in SAKEC workshop @ Chembur. So I believe he can repeat the same in DEP.
With regards,
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:26:02 +0530 dinesh@shahmicro.com (Dinesh Shah) wrote:
| We, as a UG, should be vendor neutral. | Why promot someone else's brand? [snip] Is RH sponsoring our LUG, cause it seems that we are really pushing Redhat on every one. Have you people tried Mandrake its a thousand times easier than Redhat.
| Why put users/vendors in present or future legal | issues/troubles? [snip] The question here is not why install debian it is why not install debian. | Debian installation is NOT difficult. [snip] The Only reason people find it difficult is cause they dont know how to you the key board and are way too addicted to the mouse. What the difference now between you and the windows users.
| Debian GUI istallation is available NOW. (pgi - "piggy" or Knoppix.) [snip] Have you seen Progeny Debian or Libra Net or ESWare
I dont mind doing the Debian Installation since I dont think I am doing any thing on the 24 of August
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 05:21:52PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
What I suggest is as following.
- Free S/W philosophy (Why Free S/W?)
- Installation of Debian (Has any one tried GUI Debian Installer?)
- Various Distros and Package Management (APT, RPM, tgz, Sources).
- Hardware Competibility issues and resources.
- Networking - Ethernet and PPP (Dial-up)
- Over view of basic apps - OpenOffice, WWW, Mail, Graphics, IM, Chat
- Basic SysAdmin - User Management, File Perms, Mount/umount, basic CLI
- Basic Troubleshooting and various resources to get help.
Ok, here's how things stand currently:
Nagarjuna - Free Software Philosophy. Warren - Debian installation Dinesh - Package Management / Networking / Basic SysAdmin / Troubleshooting
Philip has agreed to pitch in as well ... he will be replacing me in the speaker line up. Warren, do you think you can do the tour of the desktop immediately after installation? Philip isn't sure what he should speak about, since I wasn't assigned any particular topic either. Suggestion - he could either team up with Dinesh to share his part, or he could also do a kinda introduction to the GNU/Linux terminology and what-lies-where-and-why. What do you say, Dinesh, Warren, Philip?
Some info:
Officially, workshop is a CEP workshop, not DEP, and "officially", Prof. M. U. Deshpande will be co-ordinating the workshop, in order not to break some CEP rules.
The DEP people say that any slides you present or files you edit should have a minimum font size of 30pts! This is to ensure there is no problem at the remote centers in terms of clarity. They recommend Arial narrow, since that occupies the least space on each line.
The other option is to have only printed material instead of slides, accompanied by live demos while speaking. In that case, fontsize is not a problem, unless the participants need to stare at some small button on the screen. Its generally easy to make out what application is running on the screen and see button-clicks, but menu items could be a problem.
Any printed material that we would like DEP to do for us, will have to be ready by Friday the 15th of August.
Can someone put together a big stack of Knoppix CD's to be given out? I could try asking the DEP guys if they can lend me their CD-writers, but can't rely on that since the PGDIIT courses have started and there's lots of lectures to burn every day!
Sameer.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 02:26:48PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
Ok, here's how things stand currently:
Nagarjuna - Free Software Philosophy. Warren - Debian installation Dinesh - Package Management / Networking / Basic SysAdmin / Troubleshooting
Philip has agreed to pitch in as well ... he will be replacing me in the speaker line up.
This is great. We can sure use more hands, or shall we say more mouths? :-)
Warren, do you think you can do the tour of the desktop immediately after installation? Philip isn't sure what he should speak about, since I wasn't assigned any particular topic either. Suggestion - he could either team up with Dinesh to share his part, or he could also do a kinda introduction to the GNU/Linux terminology and what-lies-where-and-why. What do you say, Dinesh, Warren, Philip?
I would be more than happy to share my load with Philip. Philip pls take your pick of the topics, so I can concentrate on the rest. ;-)
Once topic allocation is streamlined, pls outline timeline and chronology for the topics in a logical fashion.
Any printed material that we would like DEP to do for us, will have to be ready by Friday the 15th of August.
In the pamphlate you have said some material will be provided. Do you have that meterial ready? Or we have to prepare it? If it's ready material, can you put it on the web so we can align our speachs to that.
Can someone put together a big stack of Knoppix CD's to be given out? I could try asking the DEP guys if they can lend me their CD-writers, but can't rely on that since the PGDIIT courses have started and there's lots of lectures to burn every day!
We have some Milan v 0.5 CDs ready with us. These are bootable CDs, built on Morphix and contains most of the general softwares and it has Hindi interface as well.
If CEP is willing to buy the same at cost from us, pls get in touch with me or Venky. This will be nice oppertunity for pushing IndLinux.
BTW, how many CDs are required?
With regards,
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 05:20:47PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
Once topic allocation is streamlined, pls outline timeline and chronology for the topics in a logical fashion.
Well, I suppose the installation part might take a lot of time, from past experience. We need to allocate 45mins somewhere for lunch and another 15mins for tea later in the day. (Which reminds me, I have to go check out the standard options that DEP uses for this ...) So once the speakers finalise their content, or in fact while they are doing that, we can figure out the timeline.
In the pamphlate you have said some material will be provided. Do you have that meterial ready? Or we have to prepare it? If it's ready material, can you put it on the web so we can align our speachs to that.
Errr ... the course material is whatever you guys would like to be in the hands of the participants when you speak. It could be copies of the slides that you present on the screen simultaneously, or slides covering background material to refer to, while you show run-time demo, something like that.
We have some Milan v 0.5 CDs ready with us. These are bootable CDs, built on Morphix and contains most of the general softwares and it has Hindi interface as well.
If CEP is willing to buy the same at cost from us, pls get in touch with me or Venky. This will be nice oppertunity for pushing IndLinux.
That would be swell. CEP wouldn't be buying, the CD costs will be included in the workshop expenses to be recovered from the registration fees.
BTW, how many CDs are required?
That we can only figure out after registration starts. Just to throw some figures, since we are assured of a major turn out considering popularity of the topic and low cost of the seminar, I think it should not be a problem to fill out the 200 capacity of our Seminar Hall. DEP guys are keeping their fingers crossed about getting similar turn outs at the remote centers, but the fact is that nobody knows!
BTW members, please do forward the URL to the brochure, or hand out printed copies to anyone interested.
Sameer.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 11:07:42PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
Well, I suppose the installation part might take a lot of time, from past experience. We need to allocate 45mins somewhere for lunch and another 15mins for tea later in the day. (Which reminds me, I have to go check out the standard options that DEP uses for this ...) So once the speakers finalise their content, or in fact while they are doing that, we can figure out the timeline.
Pls post the start time, end time and possible breaks in between for lunch and tea/coffee (+/-15 mins). Then we can align topics and time allocations for each topic.
Errr ... the course material is whatever you guys would like to be in the hands of the participants when you speak. It could be copies of the slides that you present on the screen simultaneously, or slides covering background material to refer to, while you show run-time demo, something like that.
I believe, this has to be done on or before 15th Aug.? Then we may have to hurry about allocations of the topics.
Philip, Sameer, are u decided about which topics u will be taking?
If CEP is willing to buy the same at cost from us, pls get in touch with me or Venky. This will be nice oppertunity for pushing IndLinux.
That would be swell. CEP wouldn't be buying, the CD costs will be included in the workshop expenses to be recovered from the registration fees.
I don't understand. If CEP is not buying the CDs from whom do we recover the money for the CDs? I believe the fees are collected by CEP and all expenses will be met from them. So effectively CEP will be buying CDs from us? or not?
That we can only figure out after registration starts. Just to throw some figures, since we are assured of a major turn out considering popularity of the topic and low cost of the seminar, I think it should not be a problem to fill out the 200 capacity of our Seminar Hall. DEP guys are keeping their fingers crossed about getting similar turn outs at the remote centers, but the fact is that nobody knows!
We currently have 200+ CDs with us. If required we can burn more of the same. When do u expect registration to start? How r u going to manage CDs for the remote centers? Are u planning to send the same from here?
With regards,
TO ALL MEMBERS:
Please publicise the workshop we are planning here. The brochure is available at the following URL:
http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~sameerds/cep-gnulinux.pdf
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 07:01:15PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
Pls post the start time, end time and possible breaks in between for lunch and tea/coffee (+/-15 mins). Then we can align topics and time allocations for each topic.
The typical starting time is 10am ... anything earlier tends to be inconvenient, but not impossible, at the remote center.
The time slot for lunch depends on who we order it from. The IITB guest house is pretty dependable, but it can only serve 20-25 people, and the timings are restricted to 1pm to 2pm. If some external caterer, I guess we can decide the lunch timings ourselves.
I believe, this has to be done on or before 15th Aug.? Then we may have to hurry about allocations of the topics.
Philip, Sameer, are u decided about which topics u will be taking?
It would be nice if I could be left out of the talks ... I was pretty enthusiastic about it, but too much of other volunteer work catching up on me! Philip agreed to take my place instead.
Any ideas on the written material that we give out? Should that just be print-outs of the slides being presented? Installation and Desktop tour might actually require some explanatory notes that the participants can refer to, later.
Amish, can you help handle the content generation? A couple of other people had also volunteered for that at the KReSIT meet ... can they come forward please?
I don't understand. If CEP is not buying the CDs from whom do we recover the money for the CDs? I believe the fees are collected by CEP and all expenses will be met from them. So effectively CEP will be buying CDs from us? or not?
Yeah, I guess you and I are saying the same thing :)
We currently have 200+ CDs with us. If required we can burn more of the same. When do u expect registration to start? How r u going to manage CDs for the remote centers? Are u planning to send the same from here?
Registrations have already started officially, and I have been answering a few queries.
DEP can arrange to send the CDs to the remote centers. I am told that will be cheaper and more reliable, since they have standard arrangement with a few courier agencies.
Sameer.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:04:33PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
The typical starting time is 10am ... anything earlier tends to be inconvenient, but not impossible, at the remote center.
So let us assume that we start at 10.
10:00 Free Software Philosophy - Nagarjun 11:00 Basic Sys layout / H/W Compiti - Philip / Dinesh 12:00 Debian Installation - Warren 13:15 Lunch Break
The time slot for lunch depends on who we order it from. The IITB guest house is pretty dependable, but it can only serve 20-25 people, and the timings are restricted to 1pm to 2pm. If some external caterer, I guess we can decide the lunch timings ourselves.
13:45 Package Management - Dinesh 14:45 Networking - Philip / Dinesh 15:15 Overview of Desktop Apps - Warren 16:15 Basic SysAdmin/Troubleshooting - Philip / Dinesh 17:00 Q&A - All
Is the above workable? Or modify it as you see fit. I have provided only half hour for lunch and no time for tea breaks. This way we should be able to finish the workshop by 6:30pm. (after allowing for longer lunch and tea breaks).
Any ideas on the written material that we give out? Should that just be print-outs of the slides being presented? Installation and Desktop tour might actually require some explanatory notes that the participants can refer to, later.
I have started a small howto for package management. I will post the outline for comments in a seperate mail.
Amish, can you help handle the content generation? A couple of other people had also volunteered for that at the KReSIT meet ... can they come forward please?
Harsh has nice presentation for System Overview and basic CLI. Harsh can u put that online? Amish/Others can use the same as a base.
I don't understand. If CEP is not buying the CDs from whom do we recover the money for the CDs? I believe the fees are collected by CEP and all expenses will be met from them. So effectively CEP will be buying CDs from us? or not?
Yeah, I guess you and I are saying the same thing :)
Ok. So when will CEP/DEP will need these CDs? Accordingly I will ask Venky to deliver the same to KReSIT. And what about the moolah? ;-)
Registrations have already started officially, and I have been answering a few queries.
Any figure available so far?
With regards,
Hi All,
I am putting togather a small package management HOWTO/FAQ. Here is the outline. Have I missed any thing? Your comments will be highly appreciated.(Your name will be there in Credits Section. :-))
0. About this document 1. What is a Package. 2. What is and Why Package Management. 3. Types of Packages. Debian - .deb RPM - .rpm/.srpm TGZ - .tgz (Slackware) Portage - .??? (Gentoo) Source - .tar.gz/.tar.bz2/.zip 4. Various Package Management Systems Overview of various packaging systems. 5. Debian Package Management System (.deb) 5.1 dpkg 5.1.1 Install (dpkg -i) 5.1.2 Remove (dpkg -r) 5.1.3 Query / Status (dpkg -s) 5.2 dselect 5.3 APT (apt-get, apt-cache, apt-setup...) 5.3.1 Install (apt-get install) 5.3.2 Remove (apt-get remove) 5.3.3 Upgrade (apt-get upgrade) 5.3.4 DB Update (apt-get update) 5.3.5 DB Query (apt-cache search) 5.4 More info dpkg-doc apt-howto 6. Getting Debian Packages 6.1 Distribution CDs Official Debian CDs (Woody/Potato/Unstable) Knoppix Live CD Morphix Live CD ELX Linux. 6.2 Debian Mirrors 7. RedHat Package Management System (.rpm) 7.1 Install (rpm -i) 7.2 Remove (rpm -e) 7.3 Upgrade (rpm -U) 7.4 Query / Status (rpm -q) 7.5 More Info RPM-Howto 8. Getting (S)RPM Packages 8.1 Distribution CDs RedHat Linux Mandrake Linux SuSE Linux 8.2 Internet Sites rpmfind.net rawhide.net falsehope.net maximumrpm.net freshmeat.net sourceforge.net 9. Slackware Packaging (.tgz) 9.1 pkgtool 10. Portage (Gentoo Linux) Need more info about this tool. 11. Source Package (.tar.gz/bz2/zip) 11.1 Unpacking 11.2 README 11.3 Configuring 11.4 Building 11.5 Installation 12. Other Resources 13. Credits
TIA for your inputs. With regards,
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 6:22 am, Dinesh Shah wrote:
Hi All,
I am putting togather a small package management HOWTO/FAQ. Here is the outline. Have I missed any thing? Your comments will be highly appreciated.(Your name will be there in Credits Section. :-))
You have missed setctions on how to use RPM tools that do automatic downloading and dependency checking. eg: Apt-RPM [for SuSE?] and grpmi[Mandrake].
For Mandrake: http://vsbabu.org/mt/archives/2002/12/03/mandrake_9_getting_more_software.ht...
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 9:43 am, Amit Upadhyay wrote:
grpmi[Mandrake].
That should be urpmi.
Hi Amit,
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 09:43:10AM +0530, Amit Upadhyay wrote:
Have I missed any thing? Your comments will be highly appreciated.(Your name will be there in Credits Section. :-))
You have missed setctions on how to use RPM tools that do automatic downloading and dependency checking. eg: Apt-RPM [for SuSE?] and grpmi[Mandrake].
Thx for the info. It's been ages I have not used SuSE. So not aware of Apt-RPM. Last used was yast/yast2.
As for the Mandrake, I have never got my hands on Mandrake.
I will highly appreciate if you can put togather this details and send it to me so I can include the same in the HOWTO/FAQ.
For Mandrake: http://vsbabu.org/mt/archives/2002/12/03/mandrake_9_getting_more_software.ht...
Rather then dry theory, I would prefer your experience.
TIA With regards,
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 1:04 pm, Dinesh Shah wrote:
I will highly appreciate if you can put togather this details and send it to me so I can include the same in the HOWTO/FAQ.
Can you tell me the kind of timeframe we are looking at?
Rather then dry theory, I would prefer your experience.
If I have the weekend with me for this, i would love to write about it.
Hi Amit,
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:21:34PM +0530, Amit Upadhyay wrote:
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 1:04 pm, Dinesh Shah wrote:
I will highly appreciate if you can put togather this details and send it to me so I can include the same in the HOWTO/FAQ.
Can you tell me the kind of timeframe we are looking at?
We have to have ready doc by 15th Aug.
Do you think you got enough time in that period? My draft will be ready for comments by Monday. Will post the link then.
If I have the weekend with me for this, i would love to write about it.
Weekend is round the bend. :-) What say?
Amit Upadhyay
TIA With regards,
Hi all,
Here is the outline for Basic Sys Admin and Troubleshooting Guide. As always your comments and inputs are welcome. The full documents will be available @ http://www.ShahMicro.com/guides/ from Monday onwards.
0. About this document 1. The Boot Process 2. Role of Boot Manager 2.1 Lilo (/etc/lilo.conf) 2.2 Grub (/boot/grub/grub.conf) 2.3 loadlin 3. The init process, rc scripts and run levels 4. Loging in and out 5. User management 5.1 Role of Super User (root) 5.2 Creating, modifying and deleting users and groups /etc/passwd, shadow, group and gshadow 5.3 File and Directory permissions 6. Command line tools Shell(s), File Utils, Net Utils, DNS Utils, Core Utils 7. Using GUI Admin tools Webmin, SWAT, Printtool, linuxconf... 8. Various log files and role of syslogd /var/log/* 9. Troubleshooting 9.1 Reading and analysing log files 9.2 Creating and Using Rescue Disk 9.3 Recovering Boot Manager 9.4 Using File System recovery tools (fsck) 9.5 Using Network Troubleshooting tools 9.6 Resolving Software/Package specific issues/problems 9.7 Using Manual pages and Other online Docs 9.8 Searching on the Net 9.9 Asking Smart Questions 10. Other Resources HOWTOs FAQs www.tldp.org man pages www.google.com/linux Mailing List Archives 11. Credits
TIA for your contributions and inputs. With regards,
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:26:48 +0530 "Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe" sameerds@it.iitb.ac.in wrote:
| > 2. Installation of Debian (Has any one tried GUI Debian Installer?) [snip] I am fine with the idea of taking Debian Installation The GUI Installer is still unstable and not meant for production.
There is a distro based on debian called bonsai debian which is approx 200 MB. We could distribute it along with a whole set of online docs and other manuals on it.
| > 6. Over view of basic apps - OpenOffice, WWW, Mail, Graphics, IM, | > Chat [snip] I am fine with the idea of doing this but would it not be better to do some thing more advance like snort or ettercap.
Dinesh we can go together to IIT on the 24th, since i will be most probably be going by bike.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 12:50:57AM +0530, Warren Norrix wrote:
| > 2. Installation of Debian (Has any one tried GUI Debian Installer?) [snip] I am fine with the idea of taking Debian Installation The GUI Installer is still unstable and not meant for production.
If you think the GUI installer is not stable, go ahead with text install. Should't be a problem for you.
| > 6. Over view of basic apps - OpenOffice, WWW, Mail, Graphics, IM, | > Chat [snip] I am fine with the idea of doing this but would it not be better to do some thing more advance like snort or ettercap.
If they learn basic stuff about apps available in the GNU/Linux they can use this knowledge for hand holding of their customers.
We can give brife overview of the security and tools.
Dinesh we can go together to IIT on the 24th, since i will be most probably be going by bike.
A lift is always welcome. :-)
With regards,
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 06:46:57PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
I am fine with the idea of doing this but would it not be better to do some thing more advance like snort or ettercap.
If they learn basic stuff about apps available in the GNU/Linux they can use this knowledge for hand holding of their customers.
We can give brife overview of the security and tools.
I agree ... the time for this workshop is too limited to get into details. But we can definitely use this opportunity as a way to get people into GNU/Linux ... a good idea would be to follow this up with a full-fledged, multiple-day workshop on GNU/Linux.
Sameer.
Sorry for not being able to participate in the discussions all these days. While I have no more to add, I do have some suggestions regarding some points which must be covered.
1. Most crucial aspect of GNU/Linux installation is partitioning, provided we assume that the installation is for a dual boot PC. The rest of the things at the time of installation doesn't need much instruction, particularly because we are doing this for vendors. If a person can manage partitioning, he/she can install any distro.
2. We may start with a fast Knoppix installation on a PC, covering only partitioning at length.
3. Followed by this, we should cover how to remove unwanted applications, and add other applications. (It is better to send at least one set of WOODY/SID/SARGE CDs to each station.)
4. Then troubleshooting for specific undetected hardware etc.
5. RPM and DEB package management
6. Introduction to popular widely used applications
7. Basic system administration.
I suggest the installation howto that is available with Debian CD is well written, and is educative. This could form one of the handouts for the participants.
May be all the speakers and others coordianting should meet around 15th (though not on that day) to make sure that everything is ready for the workshop.
One of the howto regarding partitioning can also be given to the participants. One of my colleagues (Shashank) sent a howto to the GLUG recently regarding the KNOPPIX installation process. This may be edited and printed for the participatns.
Nagarjuna
CEP office sent out the brochure for the workshop today for printing. Managed to get the names of the speakers into the final version. The pdf file is available on my website:
http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~sameerds/cep-gnulinux.pdf
Sameer.
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
CEP office sent out the brochure for the workshop today for printing. Managed to get the names of the speakers into the final version. The pdf file is available on my website:
Some problems with the pdf: 1. doesn't open correctly in ghostview 2. Xerox is not a verb.
Other minor grammatical cribs: - cybercafe - one word, no acute on the e - etc. requires a full stop after it - Overview is one word, not Over view - IMO, it should be `System administration' and not `Systems Administration'
- Language consistency. Entire document is in British English, except for the word `center' which is American.
Well, I wish I could have mentioned these things earlier, but have been busy with exams. Too late now I guess.
Philip
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