16 Jul
2003
16 Jul
'03
10:12 a.m.
Hi all,
Would like speakers, volunteers, suggestions for the planned workshop.
So far, Nagarjun, Dinesh and SameerDS (thats me) have agreed to speak.
The focus will be on PC Vendors, so the topics would be as follows:
Various Distributions
Installations of various types
Network settings
Desktop Applications and other productivity tools
Generaly System Adminstration
Sameer.
PS: Chetan Vaity, an MTech student from KReSIT who's also on this
list, has also agreed to chip in, so he can act as point-man between
us and DEP if I am not able to.
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17 Jul
17 Jul
5:46 a.m.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:42:06PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
GLUG Meeting on 13th July, 4pm at KReSIT, IIT Campus,
Powai.
----------------------------------------------------------
Hi all,
Would like speakers, volunteers, suggestions for the planned workshop.
So far, Nagarjun, Dinesh and SameerDS (thats me) have agreed to speak.
The focus will be on PC Vendors, so the topics would be as follows:
If it is for the vendors then I guess you need to tell them about
the H/W related problems. The supported H/W and places to find for
drivers which are not included in the distribution. How to recompile the
kernel to support more H/W, etc.
I would like to act as a volunteer. Let me know if there is
something I can do.
Various Distributions
Installations of various types
Network settings
Desktop Applications and other productivity tools
Generaly System Adminstration
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8:14 a.m.
Sameer,
Can you pass on the day schedule of the workshop??. What about someone
talking about Gnu-Linux and its use in the Enterprise/Gnu-Linux and
802.11/Gnu-Linux and Embedded Devices/Gnu-Linux for an isp setup....etc.
Lemme know about the same. A CC to "trevorwarren(a)softhome.net" would
help only for this as i have filters for ilug.
Trevor
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 15:42, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
GLUG Meeting on 13th July, 4pm at KReSIT, IIT Campus,
Powai.
----------------------------------------------------------
Hi all,
Would like speakers, volunteers, suggestions for the planned workshop.
So far, Nagarjun, Dinesh and SameerDS (thats me) have agreed to speak.
The focus will be on PC Vendors, so the topics would be as follows:
Various Distributions
Installations of various types
Network settings
Desktop Applications and other productivity tools
Generaly System Adminstration
Sameer.
PS: Chetan Vaity, an MTech student from KReSIT who's also on this
list, has also agreed to chip in, so he can act as point-man between
us and DEP if I am not able to.
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11:51 a.m.
Hi,
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:42:06PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
Various Distributions
Installations of various types
Network settings
Desktop Applications and other productivity tools
Generaly System Adminstration
What I suggest is as following.
1. Free S/W philosophy (Why Free S/W?)
2. Installation of Debian (Has any one tried GUI Debian Installer?)
3. Various Distros and Package Management (APT, RPM, tgz, Sources).
4. Hardware Competibility issues and resources.
5. Networking - Ethernet and PPP (Dial-up)
6. Over view of basic apps - OpenOffice, WWW, Mail, Graphics, IM, Chat
7. Basic SysAdmin - User Management, File Perms, Mount/umount, basic CLI
8. Basic Troubleshooting and various resources to get help.
Sameer.
PS: Chetan Vaity, an MTech student from KReSIT who's also on this
list, has also agreed to chip in, so he can act as point-man between
us and DEP if I am not able to.
With regards,
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18 Jul
18 Jul
9:15 a.m.
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:06:35 +0530
"Harsh" <mailme(a)backendguru.com> wrote:
| debian installation is scary for beginners try redhat or knoppix
[snip]
I totally disagree with you, debian is not hard to install it is very easy the reason
people say debian is hard to install is because the installer is console based and not
gui. i had just installed rh9 on my pc it took me well over an hour to install a standard
install where as in debian i am done in less than 15 mins minus all the packages i dont
need.
another reason people say debian is hard cause of the dselect package management software,
i say its not so there are easier ones now such as aptitude, or stormpkg.
redhat is no doubt easy to install but why not try mandrake which is easier than the red
hat installer or esware/xandros/libranet these are based on debian and are as easy to
install as redhat dont believe me then check out the links below of the installation.
ESware365 Linux
http://www.esware.com/productos/imagenesinstalacion/imagen11.jpg
http://www.esware.com/productos/imagenesinstalacion/imagen5.jpg
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10:53 a.m.
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 05:21:52PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
What I suggest is as following.
1. Free S/W philosophy (Why Free S/W?)
2. Installation of Debian (Has any one tried GUI Debian Installer?)
3. Various Distros and Package Management (APT, RPM, tgz, Sources).
4. Hardware Competibility issues and resources.
5. Networking - Ethernet and PPP (Dial-up)
6. Over view of basic apps - OpenOffice, WWW, Mail, Graphics, IM, Chat
7. Basic SysAdmin - User Management, File Perms, Mount/umount, basic CLI
8. Basic Troubleshooting and various resources to get help.
There you go! That just about sums up what we want to cover. But I do
suggest that we show either RedHat or Mandrake rather than Debian ...
remember, this is not for geeky techies but for a bunch of PC Vendors
who need to be able to support the installations they do later. No
matter what we know about various distros, when it comes to normal
people who don't really care about computer systems, what's popular is
what goes.
We can definitely hand out Knoppix CDs for demo purposes and if we can
get RedHat to give us free CDs as well, nothing like it!
So far, Amish, Trevor, Dinesh, Nikhil have wrote in about the
workshop, but we definitely need help to get this done.
Here's a few things that need to be addressed:
1. Slides - due to the distance medium, there are a few constraints to
be followed when preparing slides to make sure they all show up well
in the remote centers. The DEP has a few templates for that, we need a
one or two guys who can help create the slides and make sure they fit
the requirements.
2. Printed handouts - if we want the DEP to get the handouts done and
sent to the remote centers, the final versions will have to be ready
and handed over to DEP by 15th August, Friday.
3. Speakers - For the pamphlet, since the time was short, I just put
in Nag and my name as speakers. But we really need good people who
understand the issues in a small office or home who can talk to the
participants. Things like dial-up networking, cable-modems, gateway
and proxy setups, laptop installations ...
4. Publicity - unfortunately, I was wrong about this part. DEP does
not take out advertisements in local newspapers and all. They can send
out official DEP pamphlets if we can suggest addresses to them. So
this is mostly upto us. Good idea would be to post on the LUGs in
Pune, Hyderabad, Nanded and Indore with a link to
http://www.dep.iitb.ac.in/rc.html for information on the remote
centers.
5. Handing out CDs - the people at DEP unofficially promised they can
lend me their five CD writers if we need to churn out CDs, but again,
if more people can help out, even better!
Sameer.
11:42 a.m.
New subject: Sound issues on i810
Hello,
A bit of a problem with sound on my work i810 motherboard.
I use 32-ohm AKG headphones and the onboard AC97 sound doesn't have the
grunt to drive them. I've put in a PCI YMF724 card, which shows up in
/proc/pci but without an IRQ mentioned. The kernel module won't load.
What am I missing? Do I need to disable the AC97 first? If so, how?
TIA
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19 Jul
19 Jul
7:57 a.m.
New subject: Sound issues on i810
On Friday 18 July 2003 17:12, Tushar Burman wrote:
Hello,
A bit of a problem with sound on my work i810 motherboard.
I use 32-ohm AKG headphones and the onboard AC97 sound doesn't have
the
grunt to drive them. I've put in a PCI YMF724
card, which shows up
in
ALc100 chipset can drive 32 ohms easily. Check the headphones.
modprobe -r ac97_codec
modprobe ymfpci
rgds
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8:43 a.m.
New subject: Sound issues on i810
On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 13:27, J. T. D'souza wrote:
ALc100 chipset can drive 32 ohms easily. Check the
headphones.
modprobe -r ac97_codec
modprobe ymfpci
Apparently not. Or maybe the problem is that the output is not
amplified. Either way, the phones worked with very low volume with no
bass using onboard sound, but with the Yamaha board, they're pumping.
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10:08 a.m.
New subject: Sound issues - i810, via vt1612
On Saturday 19 July 2003 14:13, Tushar Burman wrote:
On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 13:27, J. T. D'souza wrote:
no
ALc100 chipset can drive 32 ohms easily.
Apparently not. Or maybe the problem is that the output is not
amplified. Either way, the phones worked with very low volume with bass using onboard sound, but with the Yamaha board,
they're
pumping.
Maybe the sensitivity of the headphones is low. This is done in some
Hi-Fi models to flatten the response. I tried out a ymf724. The mic
input was extremely noisy. Did not have time to figure out why.
Has anyone tried out vt1612 audio on the via mobo?.
Mine worked but output was totally distorted by noise when the mic was
connected.
20 Jul
20 Jul
12:56 a.m.
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 04:23:43PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 05:21:52PM +0530, Dinesh Shah
wrote:
I beg to differ. We MUST do Debian install, as
We, as a UG, should be vendor neutral.
Why promot someone else's brand?
Why put users/vendors in present or future legal issues/troubles?
Debian installation is NOT difficult.
Debian GUI istallation is available NOW. (pgi - "piggy" or Knoppix.)
What I suggest is as following.
1. Free S/W philosophy (Why Free S/W?)
2. Installation of Debian (Has any one tried GUI Debian Installer?)
3. Various Distros and Package Management (APT, RPM, tgz, Sources).
4. Hardware Competibility issues and resources.
5. Networking - Ethernet and PPP (Dial-up)
6. Over view of basic apps - OpenOffice, WWW, Mail, Graphics, IM, Chat
7. Basic SysAdmin - User Management, File Perms, Mount/umount, basic CLI
8. Basic Troubleshooting and various resources to get help.
There you go! That just about sums up what we want to cover. But I do
suggest that we show either RedHat or Mandrake rather than Debian ... remember, this is not for geeky techies but for a
bunch of PC Vendors
who need to be able to support the installations they do later. No
matter what we know about various distros, when it comes to normal
people who don't really care about computer systems, what's popular is
what goes.
We have to give up this mentality of treating the "other" people as
"dumb". One does not have to be a geek or a techie to use Debian. In fact,
"apt" is probably the best available tool for system/package management
for an "average" user.
As for the actual install process, following are the important steps,
which are common to all distros.
Making system bootable from CD.
Understanding partitioning.
Packages/Software/task selection.
Dual boot and Boot Manager (LILO/GRUB).
X Windows Configuration.
Other hardware detection.
All the distros have to handle this and Debian definitely handles all of
the above efficiently and intuitively.
This will also have positive side effect. We wan't have to bother about
support emails which says "I have Linux version 7.2/8.0/9.0/9.1 etc." ;-)
So far, Amish, Trevor, Dinesh, Nikhil have wrote in
about the
workshop, but we definitely need help to get this done.
3. Speakers - For the pamphlet, since the time was
short, I just put
in Nag and my name as speakers. But we really need good people who
understand the issues in a small office or home who can talk to the
participants. Things like dial-up networking, cable-modems, gateway
and proxy setups, laptop installations ...
hmmm...
<rant/flame bait>
I am wondering whether it was *really* the time which forced you to not
mention other people in the pamphlet, or
You really don't want/need assistance/contributions from other ppl.
You don't *feel* other ppl are "important/big/marketable" enough?
AFAIK, most of the ppl have given their names well in advance (As
early as GLUG meet at PUKAR).
Please don't take this as personal. And you need not to reply/explain. I
have just taken this oppertunity to point out certain facts.
Lately I have seen that ppl don't acknowledge others for their contributions,
however "small", to various events and take contributions for granted.
This could be the possible reason why we have so poor participation from
ppl, eventhough we have very large UG.
Remember, Free software movement only works and revolves around acknowledging
others for their, however "small" is their, contributions. (Otherwise, why RMS
have
to cry himself hoarse for GNU/Linux and not Linux?)
</rant/flame bait>
Flames >/dev/null
Different Opinions/Views welcome. :-)
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21 Jul
21 Jul
8:03 p.m.
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 06:26:02AM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
I am wondering whether it was *really* the time which
forced you to not
mention other people in the pamphlet, or
You really don't want/need assistance/contributions from other ppl.
You don't *feel* other ppl are "important/big/marketable" enough?
AFAIK, most of the ppl have given their names well in advance (As
early as GLUG meet at PUKAR).
Please don't take this as personal. And you need not to reply/explain. I
have just taken this oppertunity to point out certain facts.
Bad context to explain facts. This is definitely not the right thread
to "see an opportunity to make a point", and I do indeed take this
personally. I must reply as a part of this thread ... the names I
gave, are to be printed on the brochures that go out, and I am sure
you would agree that only people who confirmed should be mentioned.
There was no time to confirm other speakers ... I tried calling
Trevor, you ... neither answered. I had to do it at that very time,
sitting in the DEP office.
So coming back to the workshop ... any volunteers, ideas? We are
running out of time ... Dinesh, can I rely on you to do the
installation demo?
Sameer.
22 Jul
22 Jul
3:17 p.m.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 01:33:33AM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 06:26:02AM +0530, Dinesh Shah
wrote:
Indeed? Why you think this point should not be brought up in this
*context* and thread? Does it make you uncomfortable?
I am wondering whether it was *really* the time
which forced you to not
mention other people in the pamphlet, or
You really don't want/need assistance/contributions from other ppl.
You don't *feel* other ppl are "important/big/marketable" enough?
AFAIK, most of the ppl have given their names well in advance (As
early as GLUG meet at PUKAR).
Please don't take this as personal. And you need not to reply/explain. I
have just taken this oppertunity to point out certain facts.
Bad context to explain facts. This is definitely not the right thread
to "see an opportunity to make a point", and I do indeed take this
personally. I must reply as a part of this thread ... the names I gave, are to be printed on the brochures that go out,
and I am sure
you would agree that only people who confirmed should be mentioned.
That was my point. The confirmations came as early as PUKAR meet, (Read
above) even before topics were finalised! Were the brochures printed
before that?
There was no time to confirm other speakers ... I
tried calling
Trevor, you ... neither answered. I had to do it at that very time,
sitting in the DEP office.
I highly appreciate your *afforts* in reaching out to me and Trevor and
failing to get an answer. ;-)
So coming back to the workshop ... any volunteers,
ideas? We are
running out of time ... Dinesh, can I rely on you to do the
installation demo?
I can do the demo of the Debian/RedHat/SuSE/Slackware Install. However,
Warren has offered to do the same, so I can take something else if you
wish. Let me know of the topic(s) i have to cover so I can prepare for
the same.
Sameer.
With regards,
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23 Jul
23 Jul
4:38 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:47:28PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
I can do the demo of the Debian/RedHat/SuSE/Slackware
Install. However,
Warren has offered to do the same, so I can take something else if you
wish. Let me know of the topic(s) i have to cover so I can prepare for
the same.
Thats great. You want to do the session on networking, firewalls etc?
Don't know if we should combine mail, web into this or keep it as a
separate talk.
Warren, I was thinking of doing a general tour of the jargon involved
in using GNU/Linux - details about partitions, X, desktop environments
and window managers, driver modules in the kernel etc. I suppose that
would save you a lot of trouble in explaining things as the
installation proceeds. What say?
Another option is to talk on rc.d related stuff and general server
administration like users, groups, pam, logging etc.
Anyone interested to do a tour of the Desktops and related
applications?
Sameer.
3:39 p.m.
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 10:08:10AM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:47:28PM +0530, Dinesh Shah
wrote:
I think we should stick to the agenda we have desided before.
If Warren confirms his availability for Debian Installation, I can take
up Package Management / Networking / Basic SysAdmin / Troubleshooting.
I can do the demo of the
Debian/RedHat/SuSE/Slackware Install. However,
Warren has offered to do the same, so I can take something else if you
wish. Let me know of the topic(s) i have to cover so I can prepare for
the same.
Thats great. You want to do the session on networking, firewalls etc?
Don't know if we should combine mail, web into this or keep it as a
separate talk. Anyone interested to do a tour of the Desktops and
related
applications?
Warren has done Tour of Desktop in SAKEC workshop @ Chembur. So I
believe he can repeat the same in DEP.
With regards,
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22 Jul
22 Jul
7:59 a.m.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:26:02 +0530
dinesh(a)shahmicro.com (Dinesh Shah) wrote:
| We, as a UG, should be vendor neutral.
| Why promot someone else's brand?
[snip]
Is RH sponsoring our LUG, cause it seems that we are really pushing Redhat on every one.
Have you people tried Mandrake its a thousand times easier than Redhat.
| Why put users/vendors in present or future legal | issues/troubles?
[snip]
The question here is not why install debian it is why not install debian.
| Debian installation is NOT difficult.
[snip]
The Only reason people find it difficult is cause they dont know how to you the key board
and are way too addicted to the mouse. What the difference now between you and the windows
users.
| Debian GUI istallation is available NOW. (pgi - "piggy" or Knoppix.)
[snip]
Have you seen Progeny Debian or Libra Net or ESWare
I dont mind doing the Debian Installation since I dont think I am doing any thing on the
24 of August
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25 Jul
25 Jul
8:56 a.m.
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 05:21:52PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
What I suggest is as following.
1. Free S/W philosophy (Why Free S/W?)
2. Installation of Debian (Has any one tried GUI Debian Installer?)
3. Various Distros and Package Management (APT, RPM, tgz, Sources).
4. Hardware Competibility issues and resources.
5. Networking - Ethernet and PPP (Dial-up)
6. Over view of basic apps - OpenOffice, WWW, Mail, Graphics, IM, Chat
7. Basic SysAdmin - User Management, File Perms, Mount/umount, basic CLI
8. Basic Troubleshooting and various resources to get help.
Ok, here's how things stand currently:
Nagarjuna - Free Software Philosophy.
Warren - Debian installation
Dinesh - Package Management / Networking / Basic SysAdmin /
Troubleshooting
Philip has agreed to pitch in as well ... he will be replacing me in
the speaker line up.
Warren, do you think you can do the tour of the desktop immediately
after installation?
Philip isn't sure what he should speak about, since I wasn't assigned
any particular topic either. Suggestion - he could either team up
with Dinesh to share his part, or he could also do a kinda
introduction to the GNU/Linux terminology and what-lies-where-and-why.
What do you say, Dinesh, Warren, Philip?
Some info:
Officially, workshop is a CEP workshop, not DEP, and "officially",
Prof. M. U. Deshpande will be co-ordinating the workshop, in order
not to break some CEP rules.
The DEP people say that any slides you present or files you edit
should have a minimum font size of 30pts! This is to ensure there is
no problem at the remote centers in terms of clarity. They recommend
Arial narrow, since that occupies the least space on each line.
The other option is to have only printed material instead of slides,
accompanied by live demos while speaking. In that case, fontsize is
not a problem, unless the participants need to stare at some small
button on the screen. Its generally easy to make out what application
is running on the screen and see button-clicks, but menu items could
be a problem.
Any printed material that we would like DEP to do for us, will have to
be ready by Friday the 15th of August.
Can someone put together a big stack of Knoppix CD's to be given out?
I could try asking the DEP guys if they can lend me their CD-writers,
but can't rely on that since the PGDIIT courses have started and
there's lots of lectures to burn every day!
Sameer.
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11:50 a.m.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 02:26:48PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
Ok, here's how things stand currently:
Nagarjuna - Free Software Philosophy.
Warren - Debian installation
Dinesh - Package Management / Networking / Basic SysAdmin /
Troubleshooting
Philip has agreed to pitch in as well ... he will be replacing me in
the speaker line up.
This is great. We can sure use more hands, or shall we say more mouths?
:-)
Warren, do you think you can do the tour of the
desktop immediately
after installation?
Philip isn't sure what he should speak about, since I wasn't assigned
any particular topic either. Suggestion - he could either team up
with Dinesh to share his part, or he could also do a kinda
introduction to the GNU/Linux terminology and what-lies-where-and-why.
What do you say, Dinesh, Warren, Philip?
I would be more than happy to share my load with Philip. Philip pls take
your pick of the topics, so I can concentrate on the rest. ;-)
Once topic allocation is streamlined, pls outline timeline and
chronology for the topics in a logical fashion.
Any printed material that we would like DEP to do for
us, will have to
be ready by Friday the 15th of August.
In the pamphlate you have said some material will be provided. Do you
have that meterial ready? Or we have to prepare it? If it's ready
material, can you put it on the web so we can align our speachs to that.
Can someone put together a big stack of Knoppix
CD's to be given out?
I could try asking the DEP guys if they can lend me their CD-writers,
but can't rely on that since the PGDIIT courses have started and
there's lots of lectures to burn every day!
We have some Milan v 0.5 CDs ready with us. These are bootable CDs,
built on Morphix and contains most of the general softwares and it has
Hindi interface as well.
If CEP is willing to buy the same at cost from us, pls get in touch with
me or Venky. This will be nice oppertunity for pushing IndLinux.
BTW, how many CDs are required?
With regards,
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5:37 p.m.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 05:20:47PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
Once topic allocation is streamlined, pls outline
timeline and
chronology for the topics in a logical fashion.
Well, I suppose the installation part might take a lot of time, from
past experience. We need to allocate 45mins somewhere for lunch and
another 15mins for tea later in the day. (Which reminds me, I have to
go check out the standard options that DEP uses for this ...) So once
the speakers finalise their content, or in fact while they are doing
that, we can figure out the timeline.
In the pamphlate you have said some material will be
provided. Do you
have that meterial ready? Or we have to prepare it? If it's ready
material, can you put it on the web so we can align our speachs to that.
Errr ... the course material is whatever you guys would like to be in
the hands of the participants when you speak. It could be copies of
the slides that you present on the screen simultaneously, or
slides covering background material to refer to, while you show
run-time demo, something like that.
We have some Milan v 0.5 CDs ready with us. These are
bootable CDs,
built on Morphix and contains most of the general softwares and it has
Hindi interface as well.
If CEP is willing to buy the same at cost from us, pls get in touch with
me or Venky. This will be nice oppertunity for pushing IndLinux.
That would be swell. CEP wouldn't be buying, the CD costs will be
included in the workshop expenses to be recovered from the
registration fees.
BTW, how many CDs are required?
That we can only figure out after registration starts. Just to throw
some figures, since we are assured of a major turn out considering
popularity of the topic and low cost of the seminar, I think it should
not be a problem to fill out the 200 capacity of our Seminar Hall. DEP
guys are keeping their fingers crossed about getting similar turn outs
at the remote centers, but the fact is that nobody knows!
BTW members, please do forward the URL to the brochure, or hand out printed
copies to anyone interested.
Sameer.
--
Research Scholar, KReSIT, IIT Bombay
http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~sameerds/
26 Jul
26 Jul
1:31 p.m.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 11:07:42PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
I don't understand. If CEP is not buying the CDs from whom do we recover
the money for the CDs? I believe the fees are collected by CEP and all
expenses will be met from them. So effectively CEP will be buying CDs
from us? or not?
Well, I suppose the installation part might take a lot
of time, from
past experience. We need to allocate 45mins somewhere for lunch and
another 15mins for tea later in the day. (Which reminds me, I have to
go check out the standard options that DEP uses for this ...) So once
the speakers finalise their content, or in fact while they are doing
that, we can figure out the timeline.
Pls post the start time, end time and possible breaks in between for
lunch and tea/coffee (+/-15 mins). Then we can align topics and time
allocations for each topic.
Errr ... the course material is whatever you guys
would like to be in
the hands of the participants when you speak. It could be copies of
the slides that you present on the screen simultaneously, or
slides covering background material to refer to, while you show
run-time demo, something like that.
I believe, this has to be done on or before 15th Aug.? Then we may have
to hurry about allocations of the topics.
Philip, Sameer, are u decided about which topics u will be taking?
If CEP is
willing to buy the same at cost from us, pls get in touch with
me or Venky. This will be nice oppertunity for pushing IndLinux.
That would be swell. CEP wouldn't be buying, the CD costs will be
included in the workshop expenses to be recovered from the
registration fees. That we can only figure out after registration starts.
Just to throw
some figures, since we are assured of a major turn out considering
popularity of the topic and low cost of the seminar, I think it should
not be a problem to fill out the 200 capacity of our Seminar Hall. DEP
guys are keeping their fingers crossed about getting similar turn outs
at the remote centers, but the fact is that nobody knows!
We currently have 200+ CDs with us. If required we can burn more of the
same. When do u expect registration to start? How r u going to manage CDs
for the remote centers? Are u planning to send the same from here?
With regards,
--
--Dinesh Shah :-)
Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com
+91-98213-11906
+91-22-56919423
31 Jul
31 Jul
3:34 p.m.
TO ALL MEMBERS:
Please publicise the workshop we are planning here. The brochure is
available at the following URL:
http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~sameerds/cep-gnulinux.pdf
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 07:01:15PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
Pls post the start time, end time and possible breaks
in between for
lunch and tea/coffee (+/-15 mins). Then we can align topics and time
allocations for each topic.
The typical starting time is 10am ... anything earlier tends to be
inconvenient, but not impossible, at the remote center.
The time slot for lunch depends on who we order it from. The IITB
guest house is pretty dependable, but it can only serve 20-25 people,
and the timings are restricted to 1pm to 2pm. If some external
caterer, I guess we can decide the lunch timings ourselves.
I believe, this has to be done on or before 15th Aug.?
Then we may have
to hurry about allocations of the topics.
Philip, Sameer, are u decided about which topics u will be taking?
It would be nice if I could be left out of the talks ... I was pretty
enthusiastic about it, but too much of other volunteer work catching
up on me! Philip agreed to take my place instead.
Any ideas on the written material that we give out? Should that just
be print-outs of the slides being presented? Installation and Desktop
tour might actually require some explanatory notes that the
participants can refer to, later.
Amish, can you help handle the content generation? A couple of other
people had also volunteered for that at the KReSIT meet ... can they
come forward please?
I don't understand. If CEP is not buying the CDs
from whom do we recover
the money for the CDs? I believe the fees are collected by CEP and all
expenses will be met from them. So effectively CEP will be buying CDs
from us? or not?
Yeah, I guess you and I are saying the same thing :)
We currently have 200+ CDs with us. If required we can
burn more of the
same. When do u expect registration to start? How r u going to manage CDs
for the remote centers? Are u planning to send the same from here?
Registrations have already started officially, and I have been
answering a few queries.
DEP can arrange to send the CDs to the remote centers. I am told that
will be cheaper and more reliable, since they have standard
arrangement with a few courier agencies.
Sameer.
--
Research Scholar, KReSIT, IIT Bombay
http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~sameerds/
1 Aug
1 Aug
12:46 a.m.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:04:33PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
Ok. So when will CEP/DEP will need these CDs? Accordingly I will ask
Venky to deliver the same to KReSIT. And what about the moolah? ;-)
The typical starting time is 10am ... anything earlier
tends to be
inconvenient, but not impossible, at the remote center.
So let us assume that we start at 10.
10:00 Free Software Philosophy - Nagarjun
11:00 Basic Sys layout / H/W Compiti - Philip / Dinesh
12:00 Debian Installation - Warren
13:15 Lunch Break
The time slot for lunch depends on who we order it
from. The IITB
guest house is pretty dependable, but it can only serve 20-25 people,
and the timings are restricted to 1pm to 2pm. If some external
caterer, I guess we can decide the lunch timings ourselves.
13:45 Package Management - Dinesh
14:45 Networking - Philip / Dinesh
15:15 Overview of Desktop Apps - Warren
16:15 Basic SysAdmin/Troubleshooting - Philip / Dinesh
17:00 Q&A - All
Is the above workable? Or modify it as you see fit. I have provided only
half hour for lunch and no time for tea breaks. This way we should be
able to finish the workshop by 6:30pm. (after allowing for longer lunch
and tea breaks).
Any ideas on the written material that we give out?
Should that just
be print-outs of the slides being presented? Installation and Desktop
tour might actually require some explanatory notes that the
participants can refer to, later.
I have started a small howto for package management. I will post the
outline for comments in a seperate mail.
Amish, can you help handle the content generation? A
couple of other
people had also volunteered for that at the KReSIT meet ... can they
come forward please?
Harsh has nice presentation for System Overview and basic CLI. Harsh can
u put that online? Amish/Others can use the same as a base.
I don't
understand. If CEP is not buying the CDs from whom do we recover
the money for the CDs? I believe the fees are collected by CEP and all
expenses will be met from them. So effectively CEP will be buying CDs
from us? or not?
Yeah, I guess you and I are saying the same thing :) Registrations have already started officially, and I
have been
answering a few queries.
Any figure available so far?
With regards,
--
--Dinesh Shah :-)
Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com
+91-98213-11906
+91-22-56919423
12:52 a.m.
New subject: The DEP workshop - Package Management HOWTO? - outline
Hi All,
I am putting togather a small package management HOWTO/FAQ.
Here is the outline.
Have I missed any thing? Your comments will be highly appreciated.(Your
name will be there in Credits Section. :-))
0. About this document
1. What is a Package.
2. What is and Why Package Management.
3. Types of Packages.
Debian - .deb
RPM - .rpm/.srpm
TGZ - .tgz (Slackware)
Portage - .??? (Gentoo)
Source - .tar.gz/.tar.bz2/.zip
4. Various Package Management Systems
Overview of various packaging systems.
5. Debian Package Management System (.deb)
5.1 dpkg
5.1.1 Install (dpkg -i)
5.1.2 Remove (dpkg -r)
5.1.3 Query / Status (dpkg -s)
5.2 dselect
5.3 APT (apt-get, apt-cache, apt-setup...)
5.3.1 Install (apt-get install)
5.3.2 Remove (apt-get remove)
5.3.3 Upgrade (apt-get upgrade)
5.3.4 DB Update (apt-get update)
5.3.5 DB Query (apt-cache search)
5.4 More info
dpkg-doc
apt-howto
6. Getting Debian Packages
6.1 Distribution CDs
Official Debian CDs (Woody/Potato/Unstable)
Knoppix Live CD
Morphix Live CD
ELX Linux.
6.2 Debian Mirrors
7. RedHat Package Management System (.rpm)
7.1 Install (rpm -i)
7.2 Remove (rpm -e)
7.3 Upgrade (rpm -U)
7.4 Query / Status (rpm -q)
7.5 More Info
RPM-Howto
8. Getting (S)RPM Packages
8.1 Distribution CDs
RedHat Linux
Mandrake Linux
SuSE Linux
8.2 Internet Sites
rpmfind.net
rawhide.net
falsehope.net
maximumrpm.net
freshmeat.net
sourceforge.net
9. Slackware Packaging (.tgz)
9.1 pkgtool
10. Portage (Gentoo Linux)
Need more info about this tool.
11. Source Package (.tar.gz/bz2/zip)
11.1 Unpacking
11.2 README
11.3 Configuring
11.4 Building
11.5 Installation
12. Other Resources
13. Credits
TIA for your inputs.
With regards,
--
--Dinesh Shah :-)
Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com
+91-98213-11906
+91-22-56919423
4:13 a.m.
New subject: The DEP workshop - Package Management HOWTO? - outline
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 6:22 am, Dinesh Shah wrote:
Hi All,
I am putting togather a small package management HOWTO/FAQ.
Here is the outline.
Have I missed any thing? Your comments will be highly appreciated.(Your
name will be there in Credits Section. :-))
You have missed setctions on how to use RPM tools that do automatic
downloading and dependency checking. eg: Apt-RPM [for SuSE?] and
grpmi[Mandrake].
For Mandrake:
http://vsbabu.org/mt/archives/2002/12/03/mandrake_9_getting_more_software.h…
--
Amit Upadhyay
Senior Undergraduate Student
Department of Mechanical Engg.
Indian Institute of Technology Bombay
Mumbai-76, India
Phone: (91) 9820325940
4:36 a.m.
New subject: The DEP workshop - Package Management HOWTO? - outline
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 9:43 am, Amit Upadhyay wrote:
grpmi[Mandrake].
That should be urpmi.
--
Amit Upadhyay
Senior Undergraduate Student
Department of Mechanical Engg.
Indian Institute of Technology Bombay
Mumbai-76, India
Phone: (91) 9820325940
7:34 a.m.
New subject: The DEP workshop - Package Management HOWTO? - outline
Hi Amit,
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 09:43:10AM +0530, Amit Upadhyay wrote:
Thx for the info. It's been ages I have not used SuSE. So not aware of
Apt-RPM. Last used was yast/yast2.
As for the Mandrake, I have never got my hands on Mandrake.
I will highly appreciate if you can put togather this details and send
it to me so I can include the same in the HOWTO/FAQ.
Rather then dry theory, I would prefer your experience.
TIA
With regards,
--
--Dinesh Shah :-)
Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com
+91-98213-11906
+91-22-56919423
Have I missed
any thing? Your comments will be highly appreciated.(Your
name will be there in Credits Section. :-))
You have missed setctions on how to use RPM tools that do automatic
downloading and dependency checking. eg: Apt-RPM [for SuSE?] and
grpmi[Mandrake].
8:51 a.m.
New subject: The DEP workshop - Package Management HOWTO? - outline
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 1:04 pm, Dinesh Shah wrote:
I will highly appreciate if you can put togather this
details and send
it to me so I can include the same in the HOWTO/FAQ.
Can you tell me the kind of timeframe we are looking at?
Rather then dry theory, I would prefer your experience.
If I have the weekend with me for this, i would love to write about it.
--
Amit Upadhyay
Senior Undergraduate Student
Department of Mechanical Engg.
Indian Institute of Technology Bombay
Mumbai-76, India
Phone: (91) 9820325940
4:15 p.m.
New subject: The DEP workshop - Package Management HOWTO? - outline
Hi Amit,
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:21:34PM +0530, Amit Upadhyay wrote:
On Friday 01 Aug 2003 1:04 pm, Dinesh Shah wrote:
We have to have ready doc by 15th Aug.
Do you think you got enough time in that period? My draft will be ready
for comments by Monday. Will post the link then.
I will highly appreciate if you can put togather
this details and send
it to me so I can include the same in the HOWTO/FAQ.
Can you tell me the kind of timeframe we are looking at? If I have the weekend with me for this, i would love
to write about it.
Weekend is round the bend. :-) What say?
Amit Upadhyay
TIA
With regards,
--
--Dinesh Shah :-)
Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com
+91-98213-11906
+91-22-56919423
1:44 a.m.
New subject: The DEP workshop - Basic Sys Admin and Troubleshooting - outline
Hi all,
Here is the outline for Basic Sys Admin and Troubleshooting Guide.
As always your comments and inputs are welcome.
The full documents will be available @ http://www.ShahMicro.com/guides/
from Monday onwards.
0. About this document
1. The Boot Process
2. Role of Boot Manager
2.1 Lilo (/etc/lilo.conf)
2.2 Grub (/boot/grub/grub.conf)
2.3 loadlin
3. The init process, rc scripts and run levels
4. Loging in and out
5. User management
5.1 Role of Super User (root)
5.2 Creating, modifying and deleting users and groups
/etc/passwd, shadow, group and gshadow
5.3 File and Directory permissions
6. Command line tools
Shell(s), File Utils, Net Utils, DNS Utils, Core Utils
7. Using GUI Admin tools
Webmin, SWAT, Printtool, linuxconf...
8. Various log files and role of syslogd
/var/log/*
9. Troubleshooting
9.1 Reading and analysing log files
9.2 Creating and Using Rescue Disk
9.3 Recovering Boot Manager
9.4 Using File System recovery tools (fsck)
9.5 Using Network Troubleshooting tools
9.6 Resolving Software/Package specific issues/problems
9.7 Using Manual pages and Other online Docs
9.8 Searching on the Net
9.9 Asking Smart Questions
10. Other Resources
HOWTOs
FAQs
www.tldp.org
man pages
www.google.com/linux
Mailing List Archives
11. Credits
TIA for your contributions and inputs.
With regards,
--
--Dinesh Shah :-)
Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com
+91-98213-11906
+91-22-56919423
25 Jul
25 Jul
7:20 p.m.
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:26:48 +0530
"Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe" <sameerds(a)it.iitb.ac.in> wrote:
| > 2. Installation of Debian (Has any one tried GUI Debian Installer?)
[snip]
I am fine with the idea of taking Debian Installation
The GUI Installer is still unstable and not meant for production.
There is a distro based on debian called bonsai debian which is approx 200 MB. We could
distribute it along with a whole set of online docs and other manuals on it.
| > 6. Over view of basic apps - OpenOffice, WWW, Mail, Graphics, IM,
| > Chat
[snip]
I am fine with the idea of doing this but would it not be better to do some thing more
advance like snort or ettercap.
Dinesh we can go together to IIT on the 24th, since i will be most probably be going by
bike.
--
Regards,
Warren Norrix.
warren(a)freedomink.org
http://warren.freedomink.org
26 Jul
26 Jul
1:16 p.m.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 12:50:57AM +0530, Warren Norrix wrote:
| > 2. Installation of Debian (Has any one tried
GUI Debian Installer?)
[snip]
I am fine with the idea of taking Debian Installation
The GUI Installer is still unstable and not meant for production.
If you think the GUI installer is not stable, go ahead with text
install. Should't be a problem for you.
| > 6. Over view of basic apps - OpenOffice, WWW,
Mail, Graphics, IM,
| > Chat
[snip]
I am fine with the idea of doing this but would it not be better to do some thing more
advance like snort or ettercap.
If they learn basic stuff about apps available in the GNU/Linux they can
use this knowledge for hand holding of their customers.
We can give brife overview of the security and tools.
Dinesh we can go together to IIT on the 24th, since i
will be most probably be going by bike.
A lift is always welcome. :-)
With regards,
--
--Dinesh Shah :-)
Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com
+91-98213-11906
+91-22-56919423
7:07 p.m.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 06:46:57PM +0530, Dinesh Shah wrote:
I agree ... the time for this workshop is too limited to get into
details. But we can definitely use this opportunity as a way to get
people into GNU/Linux ... a good idea would be to follow this up with
a full-fledged, multiple-day workshop on GNU/Linux.
Sameer.
--
Research Scholar, KReSIT, IIT Bombay
http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~sameerds/
I am fine with
the idea of doing this but would it not be better
to do some thing more advance like snort or ettercap.
If they learn basic stuff about apps available in the GNU/Linux they can
use this knowledge for hand holding of their customers.
We can give brife overview of the security and tools. 
27 Jul
27 Jul
1:38 p.m.
Sorry for not being able to participate in the discussions all these
days. While I have no more to add, I do have some suggestions
regarding some points which must be covered.
1. Most crucial aspect of GNU/Linux installation is partitioning,
provided we assume that the installation is for a dual boot PC.
The rest of the things at the time of installation doesn't need
much instruction, particularly because we are doing this for
vendors. If a person can manage partitioning, he/she can install
any distro.
2. We may start with a fast Knoppix installation on a PC, covering
only partitioning at length.
3. Followed by this, we should cover how to remove unwanted
applications, and add other applications. (It is better to send at
least one set of WOODY/SID/SARGE CDs to each station.)
4. Then troubleshooting for specific undetected hardware etc.
5. RPM and DEB package management
6. Introduction to popular widely used applications
7. Basic system administration.
I suggest the installation howto that is available with Debian CD is
well written, and is educative. This could form one of the handouts
for the participants.
May be all the speakers and others coordianting should meet around
15th (though not on that day) to make sure that everything is ready
for the workshop.
One of the howto regarding partitioning can also be given to the
participants. One of my colleagues (Shashank) sent a howto to the
GLUG recently regarding the KNOPPIX installation process. This may be
edited and printed for the participatns.
Nagarjuna
24 Jul
24 Jul
6:59 p.m.
CEP office sent out the brochure for the workshop today for printing.
Managed to get the names of the speakers into the final version. The
pdf file is available on my website:
http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~sameerds/cep-gnulinux.pdf
Sameer.
--
Research Scholar, KReSIT, IIT Bombay
http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~sameerds/
25 Jul
25 Jul
4:40 a.m.
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
CEP office sent out the brochure for the workshop
today for printing.
Managed to get the names of the speakers into the final version. The
pdf file is available on my website:
http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~sameerds/cep-gnulinux.pdf
Some problems with the pdf:
1. doesn't open correctly in ghostview
2. Xerox is not a verb.
Other minor grammatical cribs:
- cybercafe - one word, no acute on the e
- etc. requires a full stop after it
- Overview is one word, not Over view
- IMO, it should be `System administration' and not `Systems
Administration'
- Language consistency.
Entire document is in British English, except for the word `center'
which is American.
Well, I wish I could have mentioned these things earlier, but have been
busy with exams. Too late now I guess.
Philip
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It begins when the kids leave home and the dog dies.
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