Opensuse education with KDE works out of the box. email client kmail works great and supports even dimap. -- Regards, Ameya Pandit Buzz: 90040 27390 | www.ameyapandit.com

On 2/15/2010 10:46 AM, Rony wrote: You are suggesting debian for a new user moving from windows to linux ? Debian must have changed drastically since i tried it last

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Richard Victor Correia <richard(a)florix.net Distribution and desktop environment don't matter as much. Applications do matter. Moreover you need a knowledgeable person, usually the sys admin inside the organisation who will get along with the people, guide them and help them as and when needed. This is more important as compared to which distro or DE to choose. I've had experience where couple of accountants wanted to use KDE whereas rest of the people were happy with default of GNOME.

On Monday 15 February 2010 11:43:28 Saswata Banerjee wrote: It has. Install is completely automated. If you have dhcp server setup. Except user name and password no inputs are required. -- Rgds JTD

On 2/15/2010 2:19 PM, jtd wrote: Good to hear that. It used to be a pain to work with earlier (for a non-geek at least)

<-- Suse Fan... :) Give opensuse 11.2 a chance. Evolution works very well for me apart from the occasional dual copy dload. Also i find zypper to be extremely powerful & handy. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:56 PM, hackingKK &lt;hackingkk(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- Best Regards, Rahul Jayaraman +91 9819619320

sudheer k muhammed wrote: The user will only use KDE or Gnome in any distro. It is for the guy who will set it up to decide on which distro. This guy has to be knowledgeable or else the migration can become a disappointing experience for all. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

On Wednesday 17 February 2010 11:05:28 sudheer k muhammed wrote: Yeah. Like people have a choice of ten airlines and one railways. We all know how thrilling Xtreme sportz of rail travail is. I love such precise scientific logic. -- Rgds JTD

sudheer k muhammed wrote: The whole point is that installations are done by experts and using is done by users. This rule applies to any OS. The normal windows user only uses the system, he does not install it. Installation is done by the 'computerwalla' who is supposed to be an expert. Unless you are using a mobile device where it is not possible, try to post your reply below the original text. -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

Has anyone asked one or more Windows users why they don't migrate to Linux and try to mitigate the expressed short comings of Linux? regards hg Rahul Jayaraman wrote:

In small companies there is no hope of getting a Linux admin, unless a distro is "Shut and forget", things are not going to work. Things have to be easy enough for computerwalla and there will be a new one every time. I would advice : 1. Ask him to buy all PCs with same configuration 2. If you have some time, burn 2 - 3 distributions (Ubuntu,Suse etc) 3. See which ones work out of box on these 4. [IMP] see if the distro has proper drivers for printers. 5. [Most IMP] See which ones have auto update working out of box 6. Setup icons on desktop with clear labels (Like Office for Open Office,Word for Writer, Excel for calc, Internet Browser for mozilla) 7. Teach computer vendor how to reimage systems when required If auto update fails, users would keep running vulnerable versions of Mozilla. This is the biggest threat. Issues like XSS are no longer dependent on OS. -Shamit http://shamit.in/dpal

Hi, On 07/27/2010 07:51 PM, h.godavari wrote: Has anyone asked one or more Britney Spears fans why they don't listen to Morzat and try to mitigate the expressed short comings of Morzat ? Has anyone asked one or more David Dhavan fans why they don't watch Satyajit Ray movies and try to mitigate the expressed short comings of Satyajit Ray ? Has anyone asked one or more Tom Clancy/Dean Koontz/John Grisham/Danielle Steele readers why they don't read Shakespeare and try to mitigate the expressed short comings of Shakespeare ? Like jtd said, using different terms, the first step for people to accept linux is to understand that it is *not* windows. Comparing the two is ultimately a waste of time. Building something that makes windows users feel at home on linux is an even bigger waste of time (although a lot of very smart people keep trying ...for whatever reason -- maybe just the hack quotient involved). If you do want to migrate windows users to linux, the first step would be to educate them about the 'motivations' behind the existence of linux and explain that it is a different system with different (in fact, better) design principles and policies. Linux no longer needs to prove itself. We've now have had more than half of a kickass decade of the linux desktop and clueless people still wonder when would be the year that linux would take off in the desktop market. Smart people are out there, making bucket-loads of money by adopting a linux policy and there exists whole markets where linux virtually has no competition (cloud computing, mobile platforms, embedded smart devices ...etc), but some people caught in the era of windows will still cling to the familiar. Well, they'll end up right besides the cobol users and people who think the internet is something you install on your computer. Let them be. cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Richard Victor Correia &lt;richard(a)florix.net I'd very strongly suggest Ubuntu. I recently visited my client (a small finance company) who have installed Ubuntu for their employees and they just love it. One major plus point for them is the ease of getting a new package/software. UI of ubuntu is very polished and non-technical users also grasp it quickly.

Hi On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Arun Khan &lt;knura9(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Maybe not significantly, but Ubuntu has a specially constituted UI team working on enhancements to the GNOME UI, one case in point being the indicator applet ,the menu options on the windows which will have some additional options other than close , minimise etc . Also, the sound applet is quite different than the GNOME one as of maverick ubuntu 10.10. rajeev

On 07/29/2010 05:12 PM, Rajeev Nair wrote: Don't want all the Ubuntu fanbois to get their underpants in a knot, but ORLY ? http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2010/07/28/gnome-census/ Ubuntu contributing back ? cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

On 07/29/2010 06:52 PM, Rajeev Nair wrote: *sigh*, since when did 'all' start meaning 'you' ? ...and 'underpants in a knot' is just an expression[1], and i replied mailed it to the mailing list. Ok, I apologize if I managed to offend you. It was unintentional. The only reason, I even replied was to dispel the mistaken notion that Ubuntu does anything community related. Ubuntu is a bad community member. cheers, - steve http://www.google.com/search?q=underpants+in+a+knot -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

On Thursday 29 July 2010 10:33 PM, Shamit Verma wrote: Ubuntu is an important step in moving towards Debian. -- As a proper list etiquette... Please trim your replies. Post your replies below the relevant original text. Do not re-use old messages to write new ones. Regards, Rony.

On Wednesday 28 July 2010 19:02:44 Rony wrote: This is a characteristic of a market and has very little to do with competence (performance, training, cost etc). The characteristic is "unplanned, ill defined needs and worthless data". Regarding affordability, the logic is the same as buying a good pair of shoes (or visiting a competent doctor) and preventing longterm ankle / knee / lower back problems. WITH ONE MASSIVE DIFFERENCE: while one cannot become a self tutored competent doctor / lawyer or self medicate, one can most certainly learn to use linux and obtain help from innumerable free sources (this list being one such). The "poor suffering user swallowing his fix of morphine" is just a grim fairy tale. I am sure the value of his data is zero. As an example, just recently installed a cifs server and a proxy + mail server. All data is on the server, all clients are doze with tally (versions 4 to the latest), all stuff from the net is scanned. All files closed_after_write are scanned. I maintain only one machine and dont give a damn how many times he formats his doze boxes. when he finally gets fed up he will switch. Obviously he valuse his data to have such a setup, i.e AFTER undergoing a couple of disasters. There is a solution, provided you really need one. If he cant "afford" it who cares. After all we are not talking of business not starvation deaths or lack of medicare deaths. -- Rgds JTD

On Friday 30 July 2010 00:37:50 steve wrote: Hmm. PR and some good old antiFUD FUD directed at serfland perhaps? IMO that would be a more useful contributions than their "upstream contributions" I use Ubuntu as a quick-n-dirty check what hardware works distro, before downloading and building sources. -- Rgds JTD

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:36:17 pm Yohan Pereira wrote: where did you get these figures from? in my part of the country, most first time users who start with Ubuntu give up and go back to doze - a first time user should be given mandriva or suse where everything works out of the box. Not ubuntu - where a lot of things are b0rked and need tuning. -- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC

On Friday, July 30, 2010 12:29:00 pm Yohan Pereira wrote: wikipedia is not an authorative source for anything looking at the so-called web statistics, they seem to be counting hits from various types of OS - this would hardly reflect market share. More Ubuntu users are frantically crawling the net to solve their problems, does not imply that there are more ubuntu users than all the other distros put together. this is not a question of 'think' - it is a question of fact. Every single person I have seen who has migrated back has done so on only one issue - hardware compatibility. And I know any number people who keep dual boot for the same reason. I bought a netbook with Suse for my daughter - gave it to her and said probably sound, movies, wireless and tata indicom wont work, if they don't give it to the lab for the geeks to tweak - but everything worked out of the box. -- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC

compatibility than other? Given that most drivers are Open Source, should be easy to build drivers into distro if it is already available for Linux.

Hi, On 07/30/2010 05:47 PM, Shamit Verma wrote: Yes, there is a technical reason. Some distros ship drivers which are not accepted upstream[1], while others don't. The ones who do will have varying levels of h/w support because eventually these drivers start breaking since nobody in upstream is looking at them and the maintainers cannot keep up with the pace of upstream changes to update their drivers. So, something that might have worked well in the 'horny horse' release of that distro fill start breaking by the time 'limp leopard' comes out. Where as those that do work with upstream, do not have to worry, because more people contribute upstream fixes than to their distro. cheers, - steve [1] because, they ... a. could contain binary blobs b. are too unstable c. are in very early stages of development d. are provided by a vendor who does not push stuff upstream because they only release it for certain versions of the kernel e. do not have an active maintainer f. are maintained by developers who work for the distro vendor and who are too lazy to contribute back to upstream -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

On Thursday 29 July 2010 11:51 PM, jtd wrote: Overall your points are valid but value of data will not only decide the OS platform but also the backup policy of that place. I have seen linux users who did not backup their data and were clutching their forehead when the hard disk suddenly gave up. Doze users too have important data and good users will back it up as a policy. -- As a proper list etiquette... Please trim your replies. Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space. Do not re-use old messages to write new ones. Regards, Rony.

On Friday 30 July 2010 20:22:43 Rony wrote: The point i am making is that if users do not value their data sufficiently, they will not make the effort to switch. Even if an app is not avaiable in linux (or the users for whatever reason wants to use doze, they will spend on securing data. In cases where users "cant afford" there is nothing one can do. Cars with takla tyres, mobikes used to ferry bulky goods, worn out brake liners etc. etc. can be clubbed with drunken driving and other rash behaviour and there is nothing you and i can do. Perhaps when rash computing endangers lives, "drunken driving" legislation will be passed. Regarding data policies (which wasn't my point), most users are lazy (including me). But with linux you are not burdened due to this. There are ample automated backup solutions, with the simplest being a cron and cp. -- Rgds JTD

And how is that different from schtasks and copy? All modern OS have adequate tools for off-site backups (E.g. Volume Shadow Copy + DFS). And with Cygwin, almost all GNU tools run on windows platform as well. I use Veritas Netbackup and most backup vendors have tools for Unix/Windows/Mac OSX.

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:56 AM, jtd &lt;jtd(a)mtnl.net.in&gt; wrote: Scheduled task and xcopy in doze. -- As a proper list etiquette... Please trim your replies. Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space. Do not re-use old messages to write new ones. Regards, Rony.

On Sunday, August 01, 2010 01:52:28 am Rony Bill wrote: and leave one clear line between the quoted matter and your post -- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Dinesh Shah &lt;dineshah(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Yes, and IMO the setup effort was not worth the time spent to read up about the software, configure and test. My setup was LTO3 (8GB compressed) unit attached directly to the secondary storage from which it was supposed to archive on tape. -- Arun Khan

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Shamit Verma &lt;subs.linux.mum(a)vshamit.com&gt; wrote: This may be a viable solution for small data sets. Besides, 'Net connectivity speeds is also a factor. Can you give a ball park idea of how much data you are backing up in the cloud? -- Arun Khan