Dear All,
We have proposal to publish a statement on fsf.org.in urging especially educational institutes to adopt free software for video conferencing and avoid Zoom, Google Meet and other nonfree software.
We had a meeting about this and created the very rough first draft. We have just collected the points but have not organized them yet. The pad link is here https://pad.disroot.org/p/videoconferencing . Please send your comments/suggestions as a reply in the mailing list or directly in the pad.
Thanks a lot!
Attendees: Praveen, Bady, Ravi, Ashutosh
The draft is also pasted in the mail here:
[Title] Better than Zoom and Google Meet: Try these Free Software powered video conferencing apps and services
Goal - Raise awareness about dangers of nonfree videoconferencing software - Suggest alternatives
Article structure: - Short summary - Educational institutes are using nonfree software and promoting specific brands - Problem with nonfree software - Problem with promoting specific brands - Alternatives/concepts - Ways to resist-- what can students do? - Conclusion
In the pandemic time, our communications are being held via nonfree video conferencing software like Zoom, Google Meet etc. Educational institutes all over the world are conducting lectures/webinars via nonfree software. Students are forced to give away their freedom and privacy to attend classes and build their career. Any non-free software controls the user while any free software is controlled by its users. When we are talking about free software, we are not talking about price, we are concerned about freedom. Hosting video conferencing via nonfree software gives away control of our communications. Participants are forced to sign EULA(an unjust contract with the developer). This leads to surveillance, censorship etc.
Censorship by Zoom-- Link 1: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jun/11/zoom-shuts-account-of-us-... Link 2: Zoom censored an event with Palestinian activist Leila Khaled and other events criticizing its censorship https://theintercept.com/2020/11/14/zoom-censorship-leila-khaled-palestine/
Also we need to question the need for live conferences for regular classes. Why can't recorded classes work? Questions can be asked asynchronously.
Why do we limit the numbers when we can actually reach to anyone interested? We are adding artificial barriers to knowledge.
RMS Suggestion:
Students can also set up kludges to avoid running nonfree video chat programs. For instance, the teacher (or one student) could point a camera at a screen showing the Zoom call, and stream that camera and mic to the students who want to stay off Zoom. There can also be a kludge for them to speak and send their voice to the Zoom call.
With Free Software like Jitsi and BBB, we have a choice of service providers and host the service in countries with better Free Speech laws instead of forced to follow only Chinese law in case of Zoom. This is like dissenters taking refuge in other countries to avoid persecution by oppressive governments.
Educational institutes should not promote specific brands.
Peer-pressure etc.
Features of Big Blue Button: white board, presentations, video streaming
Jitsi instances usually have max capacity of 70 participants at a time. BBB instances have more capacity and instances like meet.nixnet.services can scale up to 270+ Mixed approach of live streaming and using separate text chat for questions can increase the limits.
BBB doesn't need any app on mobiles to work, people can simply join via any web browser.
vc.autisitici.org support recording without using dropbox or any other nonfree software service (other instances usually require a dropbox account) and live stream without using youtube (other services usually support live streaming with youtube only).
jitsi instances like 8x8.vc has an Indian dial in (not toll free but a number in Mumbai) number to join the audio conference. So people with unlimited talk time but not a good internet connection can also join these conferences.
media.ccc.deb and other peertube instances that supports live streaming can be an option. Apps like NewPipe and Fedilab support peertube. OBS can be used to stream classes live.
FSCI and FSFI conducted Free Software Camp (https://camp.fsf.org.in) entirely using Big Blue Button. DebConf and MiniDebconf were also held using jitsi and vogol to live stream the conference and etherpad + irc chat for questions.
https://framapiaf.org/@ChatonsOrg/105633611000307871 - expand with the actual links
We have proposal to publish a statement on fsf.org.in urging especially educational institutes to adopt free software for video conferencing and avoid Zoom, Google Meet and other nonfree software.
We had a meeting about this and created the very rough first draft. We have just collected the points but have not organized them yet. The pad link is here https://pad.disroot.org/p/videoconferencing . Please send your comments/suggestions as a reply in the mailing list or directly in the pad.
I forgot to mention that the last date to comment is 9th Feb 2021.
We have proposal to publish a statement on fsf.org.in urging especially educational institutes to adopt free software for video conferencing and avoid Zoom, Google Meet and other nonfree software.
We had a meeting about this and created the very rough first draft. We have just collected the points but have not organized them yet. The pad link is here https://pad.disroot.org/p/videoconferencing . Please send your comments/suggestions as a reply in the mailing list or directly in the pad.
I forgot to mention that the last date to comment is 9th Feb 2021.
A gentle reminder that today is the last date to comment.
Hi Ravi, to be very honest, the deadline was announced too late. Is there any possibility of extending it? Most academicians are super busy these days but would certainly like to contribute.
Regards, SS
Hi Ravi, to be very honest, the deadline was announced too late. Is
there any possibility of extending it? Most academicians are super busy these days but would certainly like to contribute.
Apologies for that. I would like to invite you set up a deadline that works for you.
The pad link is https://pad.disroot.org/p/videoconferencing .
Thanks! Would 18th Feb work? I had asked some people I know about this and some of them have asked me one more week. Again, I am not sure how much they will contribute, but even for me at least 2-3 days more will allow me to add things which we have been using (Moodle, Nextcloud, simplescreenrecorder, xournal, signalapp) that have not been mentioned in the document so far.
If it is fine, I would also like to include a 2-3 line statement from our head that can go under "examples" or a similar heading. This is not intended as an advertisement for our department, but I know no other institute that has successfully run all educational activities (live lectures, recorded lectures, exams, interviews and vivas) solely using Free software since last year. This can become a positive impetus for others since many seem to think that this is a next to impossible task.
Thanks and regards, SS
Thanks! Would 18th Feb work?
Yes.
I had asked some people I know about this and some of them have asked
me one more week.
I suggest you to discuss with them and set a common deadline.
even for me at least 2-3 days more will allow me to add things which
we have been using (Moodle, Nextcloud, simplescreenrecorder, xournal, signalapp) that have not been mentioned in the document so far.
The article focuses on video conferencing only and therefore these are not mentioned. We can write separate articles on other issues.
If it is fine, I would also like to include a 2-3 line statement from
our head that can go under "examples" or a similar heading.
In my opinion, this is a good idea and it shows others that institutes can run fully free software. Probably, the statement of your head can be a statement in some future article. We can publish a separate article advising educational institutes to run free software. Your department can be included as an example. This article, as I stated, was to point to especially educational institutes to avoid Zoom and other nonfree software for videoconferencing. But that was just my proposal. Upon discussing with others, we reached the conclusion to write a general article on videoconferencing, suggesting alternatives and how to judge them for freedom. Therefore, urging educational institutions to reject all nonfree software can be a different article.
I seem to have misunderstood the purpose of the article then. Apologies. If the article intends to focus only on videoconferencing, then I think pretty much everything is already there. Perhaps we should only add "simplescreenrecorder" which lets one to record the whole screen with audio. This is very useful when one doesn't want to connect with services like Dropbox or Google drive to record. I am not sure whether this should go in the document, but if this sounds useful, I request Ravi to include it at appropriate place.
Thanks and Regards, SS
SimpleScreenRecorder is only available for GNU/Linux systems. Open Broadcaster Software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Broadcaster_Software can be used for recording and is available for Windows and Mac as well. So, the users of those OS can also use OBS.
I suggest you to use Autistici's Jitsi server https://vc.autistici.org/ in which you can record the meeting and download the recording directly from a link in the Jitsi chat which appears in the chat after you have stopped recording. That way you can avoid Dropbox, Google Drive or similar proprietary, data collection services for recording.
Further, Autistici's Jitsi server also allows you to live stream without YouTube. They live stream on their own server.
We will add these points in the article too.
That's an extremely valuable information Ravi. Many thanks for these. I think there is nothing further to add from my side. Also, once again I would like to thank you for taking this initiative. I would be happy to participate in future meetings related to the use of free software in academia.
Thanks and regards, SS
I would be happy to participate in future meetings related to the use
of free software in academia.
I request you to suggest topics on which we can publish.
Hi Ravi,
Sorry for the late reply. What I have in mind is similar to what we were discussing on this thread. Software requirements for teaching a course online involves much more than videoconferencing. Although some people may realize that using a proprietary software for conducting a live class is harmful, they may still keep using non-free softwares for other activities. My teaching experience during the lockdown and afterwards has made me aware of several such things:
1. One needs a platform where course material (recorded videos, notes, assignments etc) could be put. Students would then access the material from their. Fortunately, our dept has been using Moodle for this since 2012 or so. However, most teachers I know use Google drive, Google docs, Dropbox or something similar and also force the students to use these.
2. One also needs a way to conduct short exams. Again, although we use Moodle for this as well, people tend to use services like Google classroom.
3. For recording the videos, one may need a recorder that either records the whole screen independently of the videoconferencing service being used (Like simplescreenrecorder). Some people even in our department tend to use dropbox + jitsi combo.
4. A digital writing pad has become a regular thing since often a teacher needs to quickly draw or write something (similar to writing on a whiteboard). For many such pads, there needs to be something on the screen to "draw on". I have seen people using Microsoft Paint or similar non-free programs. (People at our place use a Free Software called Xournal. I am sure people on this group know better options.)
5. Although a sizeable fraction of teachers uses GNU-Linux for teaching related activities, most don't. This goes beyond videoconferencing. For example, for subjects that need programming, teachers always tend to recommend the use of non-free IDEs that are developed specifically for operating systems like Microsoft Windows or MacOS. While I agree that most students learn one of these as their first OS, there is no reason to continue the use of these even for advanced coding courses. Added to this, there are OS specific browsers (our university specifically recommends Google chrome at several places including filling exam forms).
6. Seldom student consent is taken when it comes to contacting them using instant messengers, and WhatsApp seems to be the de facto choice. In many colleges, no other option is even provided. It is simply assumed that everybody uses it, and it is fine to use it. Even important announcements (exam dates, change of schedule) are communicated through it. A free software option like Signalapp, or even better Quicksy is not used at most places. A student either joins the WhatsApp group or misses everything. The same can be said about Google forms, YouTube and so on.
I feel that it is important to raise awareness about such issues apart from Videoconferencing tools being used. I hope that people on this list would agree with these points, and we will collectively come up with a document similar to the one that was recently prepared.
Thanks and regards, SS
Thanks Snehal for your detailed points, listing common software used and their replacements. I myself am from academia and interested in campaigning against the proprietary software used in education.
I agree that there is much more than just videoconferencing tools when it comes to proprietary software being used in education. That document about videoconferencing I circulated earlier in this group was for different purpose and is a part of series of articles we are posting to raise awareness in general. For example, https://fsf.org.in/article/better-than-whatsapp/ was an article about which instant messenger systems respect your freedom. Different types of software and systems require different assessment and concepts to judge if they respect user's freedom. An article on instant messengers will be based on different concepts than an article on videoconferencing.
I have noted your points and would like to add this point-- Educational institutes usually provide email servers hosted by proprietary services such as-- Google, Microsoft. For example, IIT Madras' email servers are hosted on Gmail(I would prefer not to mention any names in the article but taking names in this mailing list seems fine to me). For the points on avoiding WhatsApp and Zoom, we can refer to our articles on these topics for details.
I have not used Moodle myself, so to write about it, I would need help from someone who used it or use it myself.
There are other practices like-- when I went to fill the GATE exam form, I noticed that the website installs Google Analytics cookies in the visitor's browser and they have made it mandatory to provide a phone number(some people don't want to carry a surveillance device in their pocket) and email(I am personally fine with providing an email address but it would be better if email is not mandatory). An exam form is a data collection front-end but it should not require more data than required (they already ask your data about your previous degrees, photo, signature). Why should I give away my data to Google in the process of filling an exam form?
As you mentioned that your institute works on fully free software and you can include a statement by your head. That would be a really good idea. I suggest you to include that.
I have started a pad here https://pad.disroot.org/p/educationfreesoftware which we can use to collaborate. I request you to please propose a title and start with a short summary of what the article says.
Thanks a lot!
The article Better than Zoom and Google Meet: Try these Free Software powered video conferencing apps and services has been published here https://fsf.org.in/article/better-than-zoom/
This is an excellent initiative. I had some informal chat with Pravin regarding this a few months ago, but that never materialized. At our department, we have been using jitsi meet over an year now virtually without any issue. I would like to only add that recorded lectures are usually good enough but are still secondary to the live lectures in terms of quality because the instructor cannot ask questions before explaining a particular concept. I will also be teaching a class in IISER Pune this time, and even such premier institute has not thought about their own BBB server, and has instead resorted to Google classroom. What I find is that the problems with the non-free softwares are not well appreciated even by the computer literates.
I will think more about the content and will write here so that we all could discuss before finalizing. Thanks so much for the initiative.
Best regards, SS
On 2021, ഫെബ്രുവരി 3 5:11:48 PM IST, Snehal M Shekatkar snehal@inferred.co wrote:
This is an excellent initiative. I had some informal chat with Pravin regarding this a few months ago, but that never materialized. At our department, we have been using jitsi meet over an year now virtually without any issue. I would like to only add that recorded lectures are usually good enough but are still secondary to the live lectures in terms of quality because the instructor cannot ask questions before explaining a particular concept. I will also be teaching a class in IISER Pune this time, and even such premier institute has not thought about their own BBB server, and has instead resorted to Google classroom. What I find is that the problems with the non-free softwares are not well appreciated even by the computer literates.
Thanks for sharing your example, I think highlighting Free Software video conferencing solutions already in use in education institutions will encourage more institutions to try it.
I think we should add a case studies section with quotes from students and teachers.
I will think more about the content and will write here so that we all could discuss before finalizing. Thanks so much for the initiative.
Best regards, SS