Fsf-friends December 2003

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RE: [Fsf-friends]
by Senthil_OR＠Dell.com 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: eiidp > > As per the guildlines given by redhat through following page, > there is no > trademark infringement happened in CDIT's attempt to > redistribute redhat CDs > with their logo for Akshaya Project. > > http://www.redhat.com/about/corporate/trademark/guidelines/page9.html > Got the news from Arun,that CDIT used RH 8.0 with some additional packages added and used the RH Logo. Hence,the case. > Did it publish its own CDs and used RH logo? or copied/distributed RH > enterprise linux software? They used RedHat 8, initially. They made packages which looked like RedHat packages. With redhat trademarked logo. In contained some additional stuff, on the same CDs or separate CD in the same package. ---- A=X+Y+Z ~Albert Einstein~

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RE: [Fsf-friends] Akshaya project
by Senthil_OR＠Dell.com 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

On the whole, it appears that press is report is presented without a good research. 1) The Report was HIGHLY misleading to the general public. 2) A highly inadequate research had been done by the author/editor of that paper. 3) Incomplete information; half side of the story presented to the public. We need to inform the newindpress editor, regarding the mistakes they have made and see through that it is corrected. I have sent a mail yesterday itself and dunno how responsive/responsible newindpress will be. Senthil

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RE: [Fsf-friends] Akshaya project
by Manilal K M 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

> Got the news from Arun,that CDIT used RH 8.0 with some additional packages > added and used the RH Logo. > Hence,the case. > > > Did it publish its own CDs and used RH logo? or copied/distributed RH > > enterprise linux software? > > They used RedHat 8, initially. They made packages which looked like > RedHat packages. With redhat trademarked logo. In contained some > additional stuff, on the same CDs or separate CD in the same package. Another point to note here is that the redhat logos were not used on the CD's which hold the additional packages. The logo was used only on RedHat linux9 Cd's. No additional packages were include in the Cd's printed with RedHat Linux or RedHat Logo. The additional softwares provided on the additional CD is completely distribution independent. They can be compiled and installed on any distribution. Also in the RedHat's Trademark Guidelines it is said clearly that "If you are an educational institution, a not-for-profit organization, a user group, or an individual affiliated with or employed by any of those organizations, Red Hat grants you a trademark license with respect to the RED HAT mark for use with the non-commercial redistribution of Red Hat® Linux® in the form you electronically downloaded it from our FTP site or other authorized electronic download sites or as copied from an original disk from Red Hat or its authorized distributors (either from the boxed set or delivered directly to you by Red Hat or an authorized distributor)." As Cdit prepared the CDs , it is the distributor and CDIT has done without accepting any fee for the OS CDs. It is clear that the purpose was non-commercial and again I affirm that Akshaya project is a non-commercial community project >From this its evident that eventhough the logo is printed there is no infringement of copyright law. The completely tailored reports in the Indian Express and Kerala Kaumudi were the bye-product of the microsoft lobby which is playing all kinds of game to topple the "Free Software" initiative. They are trying to misguide the government. In this context we have to consider the Panchayath computerisation projects which the govt decided to implement using Microsoft platform. Manilal -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze

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[Fwd: Free Software discussion in ITLokam magazine]
by Sajith VK 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

Hi, The popular malayalam computer magazine, ITLokham has called for a discussion on about "free softwares". The editorial of the current issue says Computer users are still in confusion about switching to Free softwares. So we wish to start a discussion on this. Please send us your comments. If your suggestion can be a torch for the still confused users,we are glad to act as a medium for it The current issue contains two article about free softwares. One is the translation of RMS's "Can you trust your computer", (Translation by me). Another article is by Mr. Subodkumar Fadke, modular Infotech pune. He argues that "Anything that is available free is bad". He compares free softwares with clock he got free with a fridge he bought!. (He dontknow anything about issue of freedom at all!!!). I dont think there is any meaning in responding to the meaningless article by Fudke. But we need to respond to the initiative of the magazine to start a discussion about the free software. The audiance of the magazine is mainly High school and Highersecondary teachers (and students). Please send your comments to the editor, <sidharthan at itlokhammonthly dot com>. It will have some impact on the decision several persons to try GNU/Linux Sajith VK -- Sajith VK <sajithvk(a)hotpop.com>

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RE: [Fsf-friends] Indian Express
by Manilal K M 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

I admit that the Logo is printed on the CD. The CD's are issued by the CDIT to ITM but not to the public. Then how did the Indian Express people came to know the issue. It's clear that Akshaya project is non-comercial project. If the logo issue is solved then what is the problem with distributing the CD's? But the newspaper has not quoted the logo issue, instead they are focussing on "mass copying". Which is allowed by the GPL and RedHat. Then Why these people(Indian Express and Keralakaumudi) are trying this way. They are also trying to link this issue with FRIENDS which is absolutely unnecessary. Manilal ----- Original Message ----- From: Sajith VK <sajithvk(a)hotpop.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:53:16 +0000 To: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in Subject: RE: [Fsf-friends] Indian Express > On ബു, 2003-12-24 at 06:32, Manilal K M wrote: > > Arun had absolutely gone wrong. The OS used is RH Linux 9. > Yes, OS is redhat 9.0. And Redhats logo is printed > on the CD.As far as I know, Redhat 9.0 License doesnot allow this, > but fedora License do. > The real question is, is it a "COMMERCIAL REDISTRIBUTION" or > not. Let someone else answer it. > > Kerala IT mission and CDIT(?) was clearly informed about the issue. > So it was up to them to take necessary steps. > > But I do belive that there is "someone else" is playing behind the issue > whose actual aim is to block the use of Free softwares in > Akshaya project, and other IT related projects in kerala. They > are trying to say "Even free softwares are not free in all case". > This may result in unwanted confusion on common free software users. > Let's take necessary action to avoid this confussion. Here comes the point .... > > -- > Sajith VK <sajithvk(a)hotpop.com> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fsf-friends mailing list > Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze

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Kerala Kaumudi News
by Manilal K M 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

Hello, Another news clipping: it's in Malayalam so ensure that you have the correct fonts.I couldn't find any english version of the news http://keralakaumudi.com/news/122403M/a_ker1.stm This malayalam newspaper had again harassed the issue? They are trying to relate it with FRIENDS. Why are they doing such an attempt? It's clear that someone is trying to play a fowl game on behalf of linux. It is said in the article that the CD's are being commercially distributed. I don't understand what is the commercial value behind the Akshaya project.It's also clear that somebody has mislead the newspaper. The Free Software community should note that this is not the case of mere "infringement of copyright law" as you say. It'll bring down the image of Free Software in the community. People(i mean the common man not techies) will be afraid in using free software. There will be a bad notion that Free software is not at all different from proprietary software. with regards manilal -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze

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by Manilal K M 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

Hello everybody, I wish to share with you a news snippet. The New Indian Express had declared RedHat Linux as a Proprietary software. Ref: http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IER20031223001556&Page=R&Title=… It is said in the EULA of RedHat Linux that "Most of the Linux Programs are licensed pursuant to an open source EULA that permits you to copy, modify, and redistribute the software, in both source code and binary code forms." But Indian Express had declared, quoting some official sources that RedHat is a proprietary software. It's said in the RedHat license that anybody can copy RedHat Linux for non-commercial purposes. The AKSHAYA Project which is a community literacy programme is a non-commercial initiative by the govt of Kerala. I just can't understand the motto behind such a report. The newspaper is trying to make AKSHAYA project a commercial initiative. Forgetting the matter that This project will make a good impact of "Free Software" on the mass the newspaper is trying to benefit some vested persons. with regards Manilal -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Fsf-friends] RE: No Free Water
by Raghavendra Bhat 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

Senthil posts: >> _I feel_ that discussing/arguing about Philosophy is vain Feeling and discussing are two different actions. I feel that the philosophy of software sharing is good. Mailing List discussions are articulations having an effect of clarifying the underlying philosophy of sharing. I have learned a lot from such articulations. And as such, these clarifications should not cease from happening, it should continue and they shall never be seen as vain. On the contrary I see most of the "LUGS" discussing superficial technical issues and generally do not have any idea of where they are going. In these "LUGS" you find a bunch of experts who are vain and are very wary of sharing what they know. They have their own caucuses. >> Any thoughtful material I find, I absorb it and get back to work. >> And that's how I see most of my friends are I see most of my friends as discussing things of common interest. We absorb things and help each other, rather than keeping things which we may have learnt, to ourselves. -- ragOO

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RE: No Free Water
by Senthil_OR＠Dell.com 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ramanraj K > Senthil_OR(a)Dell.com wrote: > > >Dear FSF-Friends, > > I am good comp-sci guy. > >My head is paining with this. > >Please provide me some "Free" water, atleast. :) > > > >Senthil > > > > > > > Where are you? > You may get Free Software, but I doubt if you can get Free Water in > India ;-) At Bangalore, there is a lot of enthusiasm and freshness for all hackers in general. At FSF-Friends list, I saw some serious discussion on Licensing( with all Legal terms) going on. How did this benefit us? I don't recollect the exact story, but in one of Swami Vivekananda's books, there is a narration, wherein a group of philosophers would be discussing about god and a small boy would walk in and say, "If all these are true, then what are we doing here". Sometimes, _I feel_ that discussing/arguing about Philosophy is vain. Any thoughtful material I find, I absorb it and get back to work. And that's how I see most of my friends are. Ok. Now, if you can crack some joke here(for everybody to laugh,ofcourse),then press Reply All otherwise press Reply Only. If you do it the other way round,then I will consider it as an encrypted message (for which I don't have a key) Senthil

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RE: [Fsf-friends] newindpress article
by Senthil_OR＠Dell.com 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Rishi Gangoly > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:09 PM > > On Tue December 23 2003 4:05 pm, Senthil_OR(a)Dell.com wrote: > > > http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IER20031223001556& > > > > I read this article and I am completely surprised. > > > > For RH9.0 and Fedora,I believe,any number of copies can be made and > > distributed. > > It is available for Free Download in the Redhat FTP itself. > > > > The article is not giving the complete picture. > > > I suggest you read this page specifically regarding distribution. > > http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/guidelines/page4.html > > Also in general you should go through the Trademark Guidelines before > considering distributing it commercially. > > http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/ > > Regards > I went through the two links you provided. and I did not find anything related to the story itself. See, the news article states as: ...a fresh case of mass copying of the Linux-based Operating System of Red Hat India by the Centre for Development of Imaging Technology (C-DIT) has surfaced... Now, the Fedora License says that: This agreement governs the download, installation or use of the Software (as defined below) and any updates to the Software,**regardless of the delivery mechanism**. The Software is a collective work under U.S. Copyright Law. Subject to the following terms, Fedora Project grants to the user ("User") a license to this collective work pursuant to the ***GNU General Public License***. The link you sent was like the copyright over the name 'Fedora'. I will be sued by RH, if I write an OS and call it Fedora, use its logo. I am free to distribute Fedora( from Redhat) to my friends. Now, coming to the New Ind Press article again, it did not mention, if C-DIT used RH9.0 ( or similar consumer based OS or they used RH-EL). Thus, it gave a wrong picture of the general public. Thanks, Senthil

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