On the use of windows in fsfs.in, I think the matter is pretty clear.
Windows was loaded in the personal laptop of Sun's representative who spoke
in technology track. The organisers already admitted that, it was their
mistake not to explicitly mention that no speakers should use proprietary OS
for making presentations. Then why is this hue and cry? Its not a stock
market and there is no bullish trend present.
Stating this, I would also like to point out that, free softwares are not
only available in free operating systems, but they are equally available and
present in proprietary OS's as well. If you want to showcase a platform
independent API or SDK, what will be the option left out, if no proprietery
OS is allowed in the conference venue? Again, is it good/ethical to develop
free softwares in proprietery platform according to your convictions?
Another area where proprietery OS was spotted were the stall owned by SBT,
one of the sponsors of the conference. There is an ongoing exercise to tie
it up with the boycott novell protest in National Conference on Free
Software held at Kochi. The issue with Novell is clearly different. Novell
was not present in the official sponsors list for Kochi conference duly
published in its website. But they were made sponsors over the night. If you
are not trying to be blind, it is easy for you to recognise. Novell
legitimised M$'s claim on software patents by making use of a loophole in
GPL.v2 which prompted the community to come out with a better licence option
GPL.v3. If you are all for patents, its better to quit this movement. On the
contrary, the sponsors of fsfs.in were known already and if anybody had
anything against state bank, then they should have said about it in advance.
This is just a flamewar and is not according to merit.
I was present full time in policy track at this (fsfs.in) conference and
there weren't a single instance were M$ product was used. Whenever a
speaker, tended to voice against the spirit of freedom, the delegates raised
objection then and there itself and they were not manhandled with. The
freedom to protest was observed, not curtailed.
But I have some disagreements on smartcity being the sponsor of such an
event and that is political. I am all against SEZs and software SEZs are not
needed for FLOSS development. This is a personal view, and I do not know
anybody who shares the same opinion. If my reading is correct, Anivar might
also possess some problem with it.
The second thing i was not satisfied with was, though it was not the usual
way with journos, I registered for the conference and paid the delgate fee.
But on asking for a receipt, I was denied one. But I got more enlightened
than the Rs. 500/- I paid, and so I have no big problem with it.
Now whether or not to use proprietery software, the answer is, whenever a
viable free version is available to execute a project, use it, and if not,
go for the proprietary option. I am not an FS fanatic. I have a dual boot
system and I use Adobe products which are proprietary. As they run only on
Windows and Macs, I use Windows. As the Scribus development is going on, I
hope, soon there will be a time, when i could completely opt for Free
Software only. As I am not a techie or an engineer, I have not personally
contributed to any code, but was active in discussions related to Malayalam
localisation of GNU/Linux as a volunteer of SMC. If you think that one could
qualify as a free software enthusiast only if he writes some code, I am not
your prey. I am attracted to the concept of freedom and am trying myself to
understand the code. I dont think, its a holy grail to stay away from.
...if I fought with you, if i fell wounded and allowed no one to learn of my
suffering, if I never turned my back to the enemy: Give me your blessing!
My friend vijayan tried to send a message to fsf-friends which couldnt
reach... you all.. so.. i thought I will forward the mail...
Can anybody tell why it could not reach the list. I hope it is not done
purposefully. If done so.. i think the list lost its.. 'Free' ness and the
boasted openess to criticism.
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Why did not the organiser release the code of conduct that inculde prohibit=
ing the use of properity software in the venue when a participant apply to =
conduct their program? When the organisers failed to issue such whip during=
the stage of organising and what is the point in expecting the audience to=
raise this issue at the venue. Most of the time the audience are passive a=
nd it seldom be spontaneous unless it is organised. I expect the FSF india =
should issue a statement in thier website explaining their position on this=
issue and=A0should not hesitate to come forward with an apology.
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Subject: [Fsf-friends] Use of Windows by some speakers
Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 8:22 AM
=A0Thanks for pointing out that some of the speakers used=A0proprietary=A0s=
oftware in FSFS conference. It is a serious mistake and=A0
I will be taking this up in organising committee of the conference to ensur=
e that this mistake is not repeated.=A0
I talked to the person in charge of the technical track and he said two or =
three speakers in technical track used=A0proprietary=A0operating system.=A0
It seems that they had their development environment setup in their laptops=
with=A0proprietary OS hence wanted to use their laptop.
Unfortunately=A0no one=A0pointed out this at the venue. Otherwise we could =
have corrected there itself. Most of the free software activists
were spending their time in Policy track and exhibition.=A0
In the policy track, participants objected to speakers when they took posit=
ion which was not acceptable to free software=A0
I request my friends to raise voices when ever you see these kinds of mista=
kes. By raising your voice and protesting,=A0
we will be able to better educate others. Mistakes can be an=A0opportunity=
Couple of other points raised in blogs:
1. I dont think it is wrong to show windows like theme in the exhibition.=
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style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Dear Friends,</DIV>
<DIV>Why did not the organiser release the code of conduct that inculde
prohibiting the use of properity software in the venue when a participant apply
to conduct their program? When the organisers failed to issue such whip during
the stage of organising and what is the point in expecting the audience to raise
this issue at the venue. Most of the time the audience are passive and it seldom
be spontaneous unless it is organised. I expect the FSF india should issue a
statement in thier website explaining their position on this issue
and should not hesitate to come forward with an apology.</DIV>
<DIV>Vijayan<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 12/13/08, Arun M
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Arun M
[Fsf-friends] Use of Windows
by some speakers<BR>To: fsf-friends(a)gnu.org.in<BR>Date: Saturday,
December 13, 2008, 8:22 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv568324305>Dear Friends,
<DIV> Thanks for pointing out that some of the speakers
used proprietary software in FSFS conference. It is a serious
mistake and </DIV>
<DIV>I will be taking this up in organising committee of the conference
to ensure that this mistake is not repeated. </DIV>
<DIV>I talked to the person in charge of the technical track and he said
two or three speakers in technical track
used proprietary operating system. </DIV>
<DIV>It seems that they had their development environment setup in their
laptops with proprietary OS hence wanted to use their
<DIV>Unfortunately no one pointed out this at the
venue. Otherwise we could have corrected there itself. Most of the free software
<DIV>were spending their time in Policy track and
<DIV>In the policy track, participants objected to speakers when they
took position which was not acceptable to free software </DIV>
<DIV>I request my friends to raise voices when ever you see these kinds
of mistakes. By raising your voice and protesting, </DIV>
<DIV>we will be able to better educate others. Mistakes can be
an opportunity for education. </DIV>
<DIV>Couple of other points raised in blogs:</DIV>
<DIV>1. I dont think it is wrong to show windows like theme in the
<DIV>2. One blogger try to ridicule free
software activists as fanatics. Another blogger finds
fault in stating that free software is a social movement. </DIV>
Thanks & Regards
"Fighting patents one by one will never eliminate the danger of software
patents, any more than swatting mosquitoes will eliminate malaria."
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Date: Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Subject: [IndiChix] Free Computer Technology Convention in Kolkata
To: LinuxChix-India <indichix(a)linuxchix.org>
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IOTA will organize a convention from 26th to 28th December 2008. The
objectives of this convention are to create awareness on FOSS in the
state, inform people about its suitability for sustainable development
of the country, interact with the policymakers and other sister
organizations for its adoption and come up with a road-map for the
institute's activity. An exhibition will also be organized along with
In recent times researchers, professionals, developers and activists
in different prestigious academic and research institutions in the
world, as well as in several companies in India and abroad have
actively become involved with development and adoption of Free and
Open Source Software (FOSS) and Open Hardware. This convention will
act as a unique catalyst to accelerate the endeavor and ensure
involvement of academia, government departments and companies in the
promotional activities of FOSS-based systems and applications. The
organizing committee is taking steps to ensure good participation,
both in terms of quantity and quality, through
* A strong technical program
* Panel discussions
* Industry Forum
The convention will be attended by academicians, business leaders,
researchers and designers from all over India. Invited speakers from
all over India and abroad will present their thoughts, experiences and
Registration has been Extended (Beyond 18th Dec):
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Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs.
Learning Windows is like learning to eat every meal at McDonalds.
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I enjoyed the visit to the center on 14th. This center can set a good
example of how free ICT can open up several new options. Making such a
center sustainable and soon replicate that in several other places in
the country is our challenge.
one of the immediate things that can be done is to create an album of
paintings and create a book at lulu.com and market it internationally.
That may generate some revenue, which can be used in turn to create more
Do check if the center can become a digital wikibazaar/mart by providing
some services to the neighborhood. Does having such centers in rural
and sub-urban areas possible? Can we use this center as a breeding
center for others? there are several such questions I have in my
As long as we do this with 100% transparency, these centers can
demonstrate to the rest of the world how to run a p2p trade with social
development and involvement.
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 15:45 +0530, Nidhin Sasi wrote:
> Freeing knowledge would ofcourse increase the conscious of the
> oppressed about their rights, but would that automatically give them
> the basic rights? Most of the denial of their rights stems from the
> fact that the resources are still captivated by a minority in the
> society. Unless they fight for those rights, these rights would always
> be alien for them though in the process though there might be progress
> in their situation based on the intensity of different struggles. ICT
> has revolutionised the world in such a way that human beings if have
> access can attain most of the knowldge at their finger tips and also
> establish communication with anyone in any part of the world.
> But the denial of the basic rights would still cause them obstacles
> even to freely pursue this available Free Knowledge. Though we see
> them laughing, singing, playing in the daylight and among the crowd
> each of them might have different difficult situations in their homes
> which are mostly connected to their lack of accessibility of their
> basic rights.
> We can build good toilets and better infrastructure in their
> locality if we go for fund drive, but would that give a solution to
> their numeorus other problems they are facing ? Especially in a city
> like Bangalore with high rates of inflation - what about the food
> costs, health costs, transportation costs ? Most of the families at
> the average 3 or 4 children or more, and I think AC3 kids are better
> off than children in many other areas.
Fighting without empowering oneself is not effective. Currently people
do fight with external help from a political party or a social
organization, and external leadership and continue to remain powerless
even after struggles after struggles.
Sustainable social change does not come without power in the local
hands. They cannot claim power without knowledge.
let me tell you the background first ------------------ ( RMS , please
correct me if some things are wrong here )
Richard M Stallman met Mr Manivannan who is the Mysore district Collector
and Distric magistrate , We got a very good response from Mr Manivannan . He
has shown interest ( serious ) in shifting all those systems that are
running proprietary softwares.
But he insisted very much on the list of all those people who are based in
mysore and can support the free softwares ( currently the support level is
may be hand holding , and may be even customizing the installation according
to the thier need and as well train the people who will be using them. Now
the strategy about how to take forward will have to be discussed and
according to the guidelines of free software foudation -india this will have
to be taken up.
Dr Nagarjuna could you please give us some guidelines so that things will
be clear to all those who want to be part of this.
Any organization , individual who can support has to be present in front of
Mr Manivannan on the day we meet him ( after fixing an appointment ) .
please pass on the message to your known ones ( if they are not on this
list , get the details and update here ) and who ever replies will have a
chance to serve and hepl in taking forward the free software movement.
Regarding monetary benifits , i have no idea-- probbaly all those will be
told or discussed by Mr Manivannan when all the people meet there
Initiatlly i will be going to mysore for one or two days ( dates not yet
fixed )- any one from FSUG-bangalore wants to join reply here and then we
meet people in mysore and see that they will take on the things further ( it
is not that we are the one who are guiding -- it is that we are just in
touch with Mr Manivannan and then after introducing the people from mysore
---our job to some extent is done .. rest they can take care ..
Suggest the best ways in which this information has to be communicated to
all those people who are in mysore who are free software enthusiasts /
supporters / developers who can help in this regard
once it is sure that information is passed on to to all , those who have
shown interest will be meeting with Mr Manivannan and the things will later
be explained during the meting.
Mr manivannan is very clear that the supporters should be based in in and
around myosre ..
consider this a sn urgent requirement and lets meet as soon as possible
if people have some ideas about how this could be taken forward can please
Renuka Prasad B
Lecturer, Department of M.C.A
R.V.College of Engineering
> Richard M Stallman met Mr Manivannan who is the Mysore district Collector
> and Distric magistrate , We got a very good response from Mr
> Manivannan . He
> has shown interest ( serious ) in shifting all those systems that are
> running proprietary softwares.
That is a very interesting development.
> But he insisted very much on the list of all those people who are based in
> mysore and can support the free softwares ( currently the support level is
> may be hand holding , and may be even customizing the installation
> to the thier need and as well train the people who will be using them. Now
> the strategy about how to take forward will have to be discussed and
> according to the guidelines of free software foudation -india this
> will have
> to be taken up.
I shall be able to help with this -- marshalling resources and people
(there are quite a few, but have to be motivated :-p)
> Dr Nagarjuna could you please give us some guidelines so that things will
> be clear to all those who want to be part of this.
Is there any prior experience -- in terms of deploying free software
for government organizations -- elsewhere?
> Any organization , individual who can support has to be present in
> front of
> Mr Manivannan on the day we meet him ( after fixing an appointment ) .
> please pass on the message to your known ones ( if they are not on this
> list , get the details and update here ) and who ever replies will have a
> chance to serve and hepl in taking forward the free software movement.
Do let me know about the appointment.
> is not that we are the one who are guiding -- it is that we are just in
> touch with Mr Manivannan and then after introducing the people from mysore
> - ---our job to some extent is done .. rest they can take care ..
I sure hope so :-)
> Suggest the best ways in which this information has to be communicated to
> all those people who are in mysore who are free software enthusiasts /
> supporters / developers who can help in this regard
> once it is sure that information is passed on to to all , those who have
> shown interest will be meeting with Mr Manivannan and the things will
> be explained during the meting.
MyLUG has a good representation of people from the industry, academics
and hobbyists as its members and hope everybody has seen this email
and volunteer for the effort.
Also, do let us know if there are any official FSF policies/processes
for effecting these migrations.
Thanks and Regards,