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RMS in Kolkata
by Sayamindu Dasgupta 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

RMS will probably be coming to Kolkata as a guest of Jadavpur University. He will be staying from January 17th-19th. You can refer to http://www.ilug-cal.org/node.php?id=66 for more details -regds- sdg -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [ http://www.peacefulaction.org/sayamindu/ ] * GNU is Not Unix * .... Towards World Liberation .... http://www.gnu.org She sells cshs by the cshore.

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Test, ignore pls...
by Frederick Noronha 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nagarjuna G. wrote: > There is a temporary domain problem, which is more or less fixed with > ncst. the domain will begin working soon. If you have problems > please add cc4.tifr.res.in to the mail domain, e.g., > fsf-friends(a)cc4.tifr.res.in. > > Sorry for the trouble. > > Nagarjuna > > > On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 05:42:59PM +0530, Frederick Noronha wrote: > > Am getting a 'host not found' message from this address. FN > > > > > > The original message was received at Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:17:28 +0530 (IST) > > from IDENT:root@dialup-74-238.goatelecom.com [61.1.74.238] > > > > <fsf-friends(a)gnu.org.in> > > (reason: 550 Host unknown) > > > > 550 5.1.2 <fsf-friends(a)gnu.org.in>... Host unknown (Name server: gnu.org.in: host not found) > > > Reporting-MTA: dns; goatelecom.com > > Received-From-MTA: DNS; dialup-74-238.goatelecom.com > > Arrival-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:17:28 +0530 (IST) > > > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; fsf-friends(a)gnu.org.in > > Action: failed > > Status: 5.1.2 > > Remote-MTA: DNS; gnu.org.in > > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Host unknown > > Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:19:54 +0530 (IST) > > > Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:04:05 +0530 (IST) > > From: Frederick Noronha <fred(a)bytesforall.org> > > Subject: Re: Likely problem... > > To: Sukrit D <sd_root(a)yahoo.com> > > cc: p_lug(a)yahoogroups.com, fsf-friends(a)gnu.org.in, > > linux-india-general(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > Sukrit, forwarding your mail to LIG, since the debate came up > > there. Also to the Free Software Foundation-India mailing list, where > > another set of views prevail. > > > > Personally, my view is (i) we nee to give credit where credit is > > due, and since many of the tools are from GNU, it would be unfair to call > > the whole Operating System just after the kernel (though the media keeps > > doing this repeatedly; the media also terms 'crackers' as > > 'hackers'...) (ii) personally, one thing that appears important to me > > is the issue of freedom (not just freedom of choice placed before a > > consumer, but the freedom that empowers you to run a program for any > > purpose, study how it works, redistribute copies and improve the > > program.... this is what GNU emphasises on (iii) the Open Source movement > > was launched in 1998, and strategically aimed at garnering acceptance for > > "Linux" from the business world... while this is important, one would > > maintain that we should not lose sight of our other perspectives while > > doing so. > > > > Re the Bangalore LUG, every group (or individual, or set of > > individuals) has or have its/their own set of perspectives on this > > issue. If you follow the postings of mailing lists in Chennai, Kolkata, > > Mumbai, Delhi and the large number of smaller LUGs/GLUGs across the > > country, you will see that each has differing policies. > > > > This is fine. Ultimately it is for each one to decide, and opt for what > > one feels is important. Some would also argue that the Free Software > > and the Open Source are two different movements, the first born in the > > early 'eighties and the latter in the late 'nineties. Interestingly, it > > was Indian expat Rishab Aiyer Ghosh (based in Netherlands) who used the > > term FLOSS (Free/Libre and Open Source Software) to have an inclusive term > > that includes all segments. > > > > So, given differing priorities and principles, how do we work together? In > > Goa, different members have their own perspectives, and we do coexist. One > > of our LUGs, in Margao, changed their name (GLUG) and their website's name > > after the recent visit to Richard M Stallman to Goa. > > > > There are many more issues than appear at first sight. If you want to look > > at more angles, you could read the biography of Stallman, written by Sam > > Williams (Free as in Freedom-Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software, > > 2001, O'Reilly). It is put out under the GFDL License (anyone can copy > > it... maybe even print an Indian edition). Some parts of the book are > > fairly critical of Stallman, but on the whole IMHO, it presents an > > interesting introduction to the entire debate and related issues. > > > > Incidentally, things have changed a lot and continue to change, in a short > > period of time. When Linux-India was started some years back, the idea was > > to name all groups as ILUG-CityName. We half-seriously wanted to name ours > > GLUG (Goa Linux Users' Group). But this was shot down in the interest of > > uniformity. Since then, the earlier attempts at working on parallel tracks > > seem to be diminishing. (Tried writing in to 'Thaths' Chandrashekharan > > recently, but he must be away in Africa, and mail to his address doesn't > > go through.) > > > > Anyway, in conclusion, we need to perhaps keep two things in > > mind. (i) Issues are more complex than they first seem (ii) It would be > > nice if Linux-India (under whatever name) or any other organisation could > > help to coordinate between different LUGs/GLUGs, and network among the > > different smaller groups as used to happen earlier. > > > > Just a few of my thoughts... I wouldn't say 'musings', since that's the > > word currently in fashion... from Goa. --FN > > > > On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Sukrit D wrote: > > > > > guys, im the guy who sorta started plug. i wana hear > > > wat u guys hav to say abt it. jus keep out the > > > unhealthy stuff. as important as gnu is to me (iv > > > mentioned it all over the site) i think its being > > > given a little too much importance nowadays. frankly > > > im into linux coz i get the kick out of it. to me its > > > probably the hippy movement of the 21st century. as > > > important as gnu is, one can't go about sying "gnoo > > > linux" all the time. its jus too damn long. gnu is > > > like the middle name. one jus dosnt use it all the > > > time. > > > > > > also, plug sounds much better than pglug. besides, has > > > anyone mentioned anythin similar abt blug? bangalore > > > linux users group???? not to my knowledge. > > > > > > SD. > > > PS: btw gnu or no gnu, we'v achieved somethin to be > > > proud of. we'v got over 2000 hits in 4 days of being > > > online. thanks, fred for more publicity...

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ASF Hydrabad.
by Arun M 03 Jan '03

03 Jan '03

Hi, FSF India along with AIPSN will be organising a workshop on 6th at Asia Social Forum, Hydrabad. Regards, Arun.

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Domain issue
by Arun M 03 Jan '03

03 Jan '03

Hi, FSF India domains are not available now. gnu.org.in has expired and NCST is taking a lot of time to reactivate domains. They are saying request is being processed. But not telling when it will be completed. Till be domain comes back you may use the cc4.tifr.res.in for posting mails to FSF India list. Sorry for the inconvenience caused. Regards, Arun.

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Linux, GNU/Linux... etc
by Frederick Noronha 29 Dec '02

29 Dec '02

After getting to understand the issues involved, it seemed to me that using the term GNU/Linux is a nice way of giving credit where credit is due -- to both the Free Software ideal and the kernel developers' work. But I got a bit peeved by what almost comes across as attempts to act as if the Free Software campaign didn't exist, and that Linux (I mean the kernel) evolved in a vacuum. Maybe as a knee-jerk response, I just changed the name of the irregular ezine put out below. Well, I guess what you see depends on where you stand. Some interesting feedback came in. Let me share it with you on this list. Perhaps persons who prefer to drop the term 'GNU' from GNU/Linux, might end up responding angrily if the term 'Linux' is used in a smaller typesize. Ideally it would be nice if we could all work together, and give each other credit where credit is due. Your comments -- brickbats too -- are welcome. FN ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:37:51 +0530 (IST) From: Frederick Noronha <fred(a)bytesforall.org> Subject: NEWSLETTER: GNU/LinuxIndia Dec 27, 2002 e88~~\ 888b | 888 | / 888 888 ,e, d888 |Y88b | 888 | L 888 888-~88e e88~\888 " /~~~8e 8888 __ | Y88b | 888 | I 888 888 888 d888 888 888 88b 8888 | | Y88b | 888 | N 888 888 888 8888 888 888 e88~-888 Y888 | | Y88b| Y88 | U 888 888 888 Y888 888 888 C888 888 "88__/ | Y888 "8__/ X 888 888 888 "88_/888 888 "88_-888 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Formerly LinuxInIndia * Compiled by: Frederick Noronha * Dec 27,2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ... ... ... ... SOME FEEDBACK TO GNU/LinuxINDIA NEWSLETTER: From: Arun Sharma <arun(a)sharma-home.net> I understand that you can't fit an ASCII art logo mentioning "GNU/Linux India" in 80 columns, and hence had to abbreviate "Linux" part a little bit. But given all the controversy about the term "GNU/Linux", I find the above logo in bad taste -- it almost seems like you're posting about "GNU India", when in fact, the message is about what I'd normally call "Linux". I'm sure you could design a logo that displays "Linux" more prominently.-Arun From amish_munshi(a)sify.com Fri Dec 27 17:07:26 2002 Can you change this artwork, it is not readable. I am very bad at art work, so I can not provide any artwork, sorry. Overall, it is the best newsletter I have ever got, very well made. Keep it up. How regularly will I be getting such rich content? From paivakil(a)vsnl.net Fri Dec 27 17:08:37 2002 Wow!!!! What a beautiful logo!!! -- Mahesh T. Pai. ... ... ... ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:24:46 +0530 From: Nikhil Shanker <nikhil(a)ilug-hyd.org.in> Subject: Re: NEWSLETTER: GNU/LinuxIndia Dec 27, 2002 On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 06:37:51PM +0530, Frederick Noronha wrote: > > e88~~\ 888b | 888 | / 888 888 ,e, > d888 |Y88b | 888 | L 888 888-~88e e88~\888 " /~~~8e > 8888 __ | Y88b | 888 | I 888 888 888 d888 888 888 88b > 8888 | | Y88b | 888 | N 888 888 888 8888 888 888 e88~-888 > Y888 | | Y88b| Y88 | U 888 888 888 Y888 888 888 C888 888 > "88__/ | Y888 "8__/ X 888 888 888 "88_/888 888 "88_-888 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Formerly LinuxInIndia * Compiled by: Frederick Noronha * Dec 27,2002 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- I share the same opinions as Arun Sharma on LIG. The logo reduces "Linux" to a single column. GNU/Linux is acceptable since it caters to some individuals' sentiments, but this looks like an overkill. I think RMS must be show the logo with "LINUX" replaced with "HURD" with the same one column layout. I bet, he'd be satisfied with: e88~~\ 888b | 888 | 888 888 888 | 88888b 888 / d888 |Y88b | 888 | 888 888 888 | 888 88 e88~\888 I 8888 __ | Y88b | 888 | 88888888 888 | 888ee88 d888 888 N 8888 | | Y88b | 888 | 88888888 888 | 88888b 8888 888 D Y888 | | Y88b| Y88 | 888 888 Y88 | 888 88b Y888 888 I "88__/ | Y888 "8__/ 888 888 "8__/ 888 88b "88_/888 A bah! > > SPEECH SYNTHESIS: Rohit Kumar of the Speech Processing Lab, LTRC at > IIIT Hyderabad points to a speech synthesis demo at > http://196.12.44.11/~speech/index.htm Says he: "I look forward to > your responses both about the speech quality and the ease of use and > understandability of the web interface. PS: For all [GNU/]/Linux > enthusiasts the speech synthesizer is currently built on Red Hat > Linux 7.2 and we have tested it with RHL 8.0." This is insane too. You're quoting a post here, and you GNU-hijack it within the quotes. This very prominent and noticable GNU-hijacking makes the newsletter more unreadable. Although the content is commendable, the we-will-serve-you-oh-RMS-my-l0rd attitude hides the real juice. Maybe even this comment will only be listed in the "Comments" section of the next version of the newsletter just like Arun's was. But I've been looking at this newletter everytime and seeing more GNU than actual information is really disheartening. The best part is it gets posted to LI and LUGs. Please note that these its not GLI and GLUGs. I imply no disrespect to the poster. Its just an opinion. Nikhil. -- Nikhil Shankar (nikhil.shanker at acm.org) Slackware Linux http://www.slackware.com/ I guess that's why people care: Simplicity is Divine. ________________________________________________________________________

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Fwd: [sajith@symonds.net: JFS translator for the Hurd]
by Raghavendra Bhat 29 Dec '02

29 Dec '02

----- Forwarded message from Sajith T S <sajith(a)symonds.net> ----- >>Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:36:10 +0530 >>From: Sajith T S <sajith(a)symonds.net> >>Subject: [fsug-kochi-discuss] JFS translator for the Hurd >>To: Free Software User Group - Kochi <fsug-kochi-discuss(a)symonds.net> >> >>Hello, >> >>Any Hurd users around? Christmas gift for you! >> >>Here's a JFS translator for the Hurd - the "first industrial-strength >>journaling filesystem for the Hurd" :^) >> >> http://www.symonds.net/~sajith/hurd/ >> >>It's a readonly translator, so no journaling for now :-) I don't have >>access to a recent Hurd release, so I'm not sure if it'd work or even >>compile on them. Mine is installed from old, pre-libio Debian G1 CDs. >> >>More on JFS here: >> >> http://oss.software.ibm.com/jfs/ >> >>Bug reports aren't welcome. There ain't a bug :-/ >> >>Regards, Sajith. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ragOO, Freedom of the Air Waves, GNU Radio The GNU Project :: http://www.gnu.org/ Free Software is not `free masala dosa' Free Software is about computing freedom.

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Asian Social Forum...
by Frederick Noronha 28 Dec '02

28 Dec '02

Asian Social Forum meet in Hyderabad (1) BANGALORE, DEC. 26. The Asian Social Forum (ASF) will meet between January 2 and 7 at the Nizam College, Basheerbagh, Hyderabad. The forum will host eight conferences in addition to scores of seminars, workshops, testimonies, cultural events, panel discussions, and a youth camp. Around 10,000 delegates from over 300 organisations are ex^Fpected to attend the pro^Fgramme. These delegates will be from social movements, NGOs, research institutions, trade unions, Dalit organisations and women's organisations. (Hindu 27.12.02) XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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Re: : Re: [Fsf-friends] NEWSLETTER: GNU/LinuxIndia Dec 22, 2002
by Frederick Noronha 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

This is a response from the team that's working to bring out the 'LinuxForYou' newsletter in India. FN On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, efylinux1 wrote: > I am a strong supproter of GNU and what it stands for.Although i would > have idealy liked the name that you have proposed but there are few > things which you must also know. > GNU itself is a shortform and hence could not be registered. > secondly we would like to communicate with the common masses and since > Linux is the name which he identifies .also linux is a representative of > the open source community in a way . > > regards > Abhishek Kumar > Sr Correspondent > efylinux1(a)electronicsforu.com > > Strength is life,weakness is death.

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Re: LINKS: In the ICT4D network...
by Frederick Noronha 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Hi Sreekumar, I'm having a bit of health-related problems at home, so might find it difficult to make it. Friends from the FSF-India (Free Software Foundation-India) may possibly be there. FN PS: Dr Sreekumar is an Indian researcher studying IT and related issues. He's based in Hong Kong. On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, T T Sreekumar wrote: > Dear Fred, > > Thanks. It is more or less confirmed that I would attend ASF, Hbd on 6th > Jan. I'll be arriving on 5th to make it. What is your schedule like? Would > you be around during the final days? > Belated X'mas wishes and best wishes for a meaningful new year!! > Sreekumar

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Other 'freedom' issues... from the GII mailing list
by Frederick Noronha 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

Other 'freedom' issues coming up in the world beyond software? Thanks to Raju Mathur of Delhi for forwarding this. FN From: Meredith Tupper <meredith(a)pintsize.com> To: isp-webhosting(a)isp-webhosting.com Subject: [isp-webhosting] thing.net shut down by Verio Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:58:48 -0400 December 23, 2002 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thing.net assistance page: https://secure.thing.net/backbone/ Contact: mailto:thing-group@rtmark.com ACTIVIST NETWORK IN NY EVICTED FROM INTERNET BY DOW, VERIO Bowing to pressure from the Dow Chemical Corporation, the internet company Verio has booted the activist-oriented Thing.net from the Web. Internet service provider Thing.net has been the primary service provider for activist and artist organizations in the New York area for 10 years. On December 3, activists used a server housed by Thing.net to post a parody Dow press release on the eighteenth anniversary of the disaster in which 20,000 people died as a result of an accident at a Union Carbide plant in Bhopal, India. (Union Carbide is now owned by Dow.) The deadpan statement, which many people took as real, explained that Dow could not accept responsibility for the disaster due to its primary allegiance to its shareholders and to its bottom line. Dow was not amused, and sent a Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) complaint to Verio, which immediately cut Thing.net off the internet for fifteen hours. A few days later, Verio announced that Thing.net had 60 days to move to another provider before being shut down permanently, unilaterally terminating Thing.net's 7-year-old contract. Affected organizations include PS1/MOMA, Artforum, Nettime, Tenant.net (which assists renters facing eviction), and hundreds more. "Verio's actions are nothing short of outrageous," said Wolfgang Staehle, Thing.net Executive Director. "They could have resolved the matter with the Dow parodists directly; instead they chose to shut down our entire network. This self-appointed enforcement of the DMCA could have a serious chilling effect on free speech, and has already damaged our business." RTMark, which publicizes corporate abuses of democracy, is housed on Thing.net. Please visit https://secure.thing.net/backbone/ to help Thing.net survive Dow's and Verio's actions, and to develop a plan to avoid such problems in the future. # 30 # ------------------------------ End of this Digest ****************** -- Raju Mathur raju(a)kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ It is the mind that moves --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:59:17 -0800 (PST) From: sabrina syed <sabrina_syed2002(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [india-gii] [OT] (fwd) thing.net shut down by Verio To: india-gii(a)lists.cpsr.org Hi, In its defense, Dow is saying, "...Thing.net have been evicted from the web, we firmly believe that those who violate the right to Corporate Free Speech have no place on a commercial network like the internet. " http://www.dowethics.com/r/environment/freedom.html ...."commercial network like the internet"???Does it mean purely commercial? what abt non-commercial interests? Can any one throw light on last line of Dow's claims tht, internet is purely commercial? If this claim goes unquestionable, then who owns internet? Internet has potential to advance commercial interests. That doesn't mean non-commercial interests,should give way to freedom of speech of those who propagate their commercial interests. Does this precedent mean organisations running, .orgs and governments running, .govs and .infos and .nets have less freedom of speech than those who invest money in suing others on the claims of image erosion or defamation? What happens if thing.net counter sues Dow /Verio for defamation and intervention into it's own freedom of speech? Can't thing.net get an "asylum" on some other non-us based server? What are the stakes involved if it does tht? Regards, Sabrina. ___________________________ Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR) is the oldest non-profit, mass membership organization working on social impacts of computer technology. To learn more, go to http://www.cpsr.org To join, visit: http://cpsr.org/join.html _______________________________________________________ india-gii mailing list india-gii(a)lists.cpsr.org https://ssl.cpsr.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii

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