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Re: WSF and Free Software
by Diego Saravia 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

Hi, yesterday we setup and email list to discuss wsf and free soft. The idea is to involve people from 3 wsf with india free soft comunity towards 4 wsf. Do you like to be included? Do you know another people that must be included? > Dear Diego Saravia > > We do have a Free Software Foundation of India, and I am one of the > Directors staying in Mumbai. I saw your query to Frederick > (bytesforall) who forwarded the email to us. Do let us know what you > have in mind for the WSF program, and what we could do. We think that > WSF India event should exclusively use free software, and if needed > FSF India can help in this as a support organization. I am copying > this mail to Arun (arun(a)gnu.org.in). > > Nagarjuna > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > nagarjun at hbcse tifr res in. http://www.gnowledge.org/ > I support Public Library of Science http://www.plos.org/ > > -- Diego Saravia dsa(a)unsa.edu.ar

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TeX, SchoolForge, FreEduc... and even Susegado
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

FORMER GOA BOARD for SSC & HSSC Education chairman Raghuvir Vernekar was waiting for the meeting to get up seat, as was Animesh, Alwyn and Mario. Others walked in somewhere between the appointed hour of 3 pm, scheduled for the launch of a proposed TeX Users Group in Goa. Normally-silent Alwyn Noronha was in full-bloom, explaining why he opted for TeX. "It's a way of creating documents that wil last over the years. Size of the documents is small. It's typesetting, not wordprocessing. You can get LateX to work with computers ranging from mainframes to Windows. Indexing and table-of-contents are very easy to create. You can even forward refer." We discussed the ways of creating PDF books. With so much content floating around, perhaps this might be a good idea. Prof Vernekar gave some ideas of how we could get in touch with Goa school principals (Goa Headmasters' Association) to introduce them to the idea of Free Software for education. One idea is to link up with the principals, teachers associations (AGSSTO, AGSSTA), and the higher secondary principal's forum. Any volunteers? Rizaplaystation, which was lugged in earlier, was demonstrated with FreEDUC. FN demoed some of the Gcompris games his daughter enjoys. Animesh ran through some other programs on this CD (www.ofset.org). This was followed by a discussion on the Goa government's approach towards GNU/Linux was discussed, as was whether have Goa's own 'base CD' would help. Albert Gouveia of NIO gave his inputs, as did educationist Dr Anil Seth and Bijon Shaha. Some pointed out that in view of the limited functionality of proprietorial software tools offered to students under the Cyberage scheme, a demand should be made for installing dual-boot systems on the PCs. Mario@Alienwiz gave an interesting explanation of his plans to create a 'virtual Goa' community game, perhaps aptly titled 'Susegado' (a difficult word to translate, but reflecting the relaxed state of the Goan mind). More about this later. Everyone adjourned for the customary tea-and-snacks at Navtara restaurant, leading to another session of informal discussions. Randall, a young student, was also present along with his friend from Don Bosco's IT college. Looking forward to seeing more young faces at the LUG. Let's take Free Software to your colleges too... Some plans: o St Xavier's Free Software talk and demo, possibly on 19.7 o Randall is checking out possibilities at Damodar's o Prof Bhat promised to follow up more IT-in-college initiatives -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- T: 0091.832.2409490 or 2409783 M: 0 9822 122436 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[OFFTOPIC] INDIA-KERALA: Akshaya's plan for 500 community technology centres
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

KERALA STATE IT MISSION Department of IT Government of Kerala has put out an ad (Express Computer, June 16, 2003) requesting proposals to provide connectivity "to over 500 community technology centres (AkshayaECentres) in Malappuram district, Kerala". It says: As part of Kerala's ambitious e-literacy campaign, Akshaya e Centres are being set up throughout Kerala. These centres will initially provide e-literacy to one member from every household and eventually act as ICT Dissemination notes and IT Enabled Service Delivery points in every village. All Akshaya e Centres need to have quality internet connectivity and will have to be networked with a centralised operating centre. Implementation of the first phase of the project is now on in Malappuram District. The second phase involves setting up of over 6,000 Akshaya e Centres in all the district of the State, which is expected to be over by December 2004. Kerala State IT Mission, the nodal agency of the Department of IT, Government of Kerala invites proposals from connectivity providers with similar project experience to provide connectivity to over 500 Akshaya e Centres in Malappuram. Deliverables: Providing 128 Kbps connectivity at each centre to ensure smooth internet services ranging from broising, voice over IP, to video conferencing. Setting up Network Operating Centre linking Akshaya e Centres for management and monitoring of connectivity, and bandwidth management. How to apply: Interested service providers should send their proposals as per detailed RFP on or before June 25, 2003 along with service level agreement to be signed with details including guaranteed uptime, bandwidth, response time, maintainence plan etc For detailed RFP, contact: Director, Kerala State Information Technology Mission, ICT Campus, Vellayambalam Jn, Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala State, India 695033. Tel -91 -471 - 272 6881, 232 4307. Email itmission(a)vsnl.com Website: www.keralaitmission.org www.akshaya.net -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- T: 0091.832.2409490 or 2409783 M: 0 9822 122436 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Re: world social forum - free software
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 30 Jun '03

30 Jun '03

Perhaps we could go *beyond* deploying Free Software to *showcasing* it. It's important that the alternate world knows that, in computing, the *alternate* has perhaps surpassed the "real thing". FN On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Arun M wrote: > > Free Software? Sure! Try FSF-India. Copying this to their mailing list. > > My friend Nitya Jacob of Oneworld might also be able to put you in touch > > with the World Social Forum network. FN > > > > We really must try to have a Free Software presence at the World Social > > Forum meet in Mumbai in January 2004. Any idea where exactly it is to be > > held? FN > > > SOme interactions happened with people like Sri MP Parameswaran who is > part of WSF organisation regarding FSF India's participation in WSF. > Also offered help in making use of Free softare in WSF. > > Also FSF India participated in ASF in small way. > > > Arun. > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- T: 0091.832.2409490 or 2409783 M: 0 9822 122436 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: world social forum - free software
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 30 Jun '03

30 Jun '03

Thanks very much Diego. Let's build the links. Ate logo. FN On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Diego Saravia wrote: > I will copy this to hypatia list, (www.hipatia.info) > hipatia was involved in several events related to free software in III > world social forum. > > http://www.softwarelivre.org/index.php?menu=mais_noticias2&cod=1043092196&t… > > http://www.softwarelivre.org/index.php?menu=mais_noticias2&cod=1043458129&t… > > > > > Ola Diego! > > > > Free Software? Sure! Try FSF-India. Copying this to their mailing list. > > My friend Nitya Jacob of Oneworld might also be able to put you in touch > > with the World Social Forum network. FN > > > > We really must try to have a Free Software presence at the World Social > > Forum meet in Mumbai in January 2004. Any idea where exactly it is to be > > held? FN > > > > On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Diego Saravia wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I am searching for people in india related to world social forum and > > > free software, I see your bytesforall web site and I wonder if you > > > could help me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Diego Saravia > > > dsa(a)unsa.edu.ar > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net > > Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org > > http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com > > http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > T: 0091.832.2409490 or 2409783 M: 0 9822 122436 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > Diego Saravia > dsa(a)unsa.edu.ar > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- T: 0091.832.2409490 or 2409783 M: 0 9822 122436 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: world social forum - free software
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 29 Jun '03

29 Jun '03

Ola Diego! Free Software? Sure! Try FSF-India. Copying this to their mailing list. My friend Nitya Jacob of Oneworld might also be able to put you in touch with the World Social Forum network. FN We really must try to have a Free Software presence at the World Social Forum meet in Mumbai in January 2004. Any idea where exactly it is to be held? FN On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Diego Saravia wrote: > Hi > > I am searching for people in india related to world social forum and > free software, I see your bytesforall web site and I wonder if you > could help me. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > -- > Diego Saravia > dsa(a)unsa.edu.ar > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- T: 0091.832.2409490 or 2409783 M: 0 9822 122436 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Fsf-friends] Re: [ilug-goa] Indic solution for *Government Distro* (long)
by Jaco Aizenman 29 Jun '03

29 Jun '03

> I am happy if this is to mean that you will send a CD to registered people. Shure!, but please help us find volunteers so we can elaborate an Indian version. A very good start is that you presented us with the url of Malayalam. We will appreciate if you can send us additional url's from other Indian languages initiatives. Im copying the message to Kumar, Arun and Vshaji who are involved in the Malayalam, and requesting them if they can appoint a technical contact for coordination. > > Refer to the following link for hints on Malayalam. > > http://www.keralaindustry.org/malayalam/ > > > -- > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ > > Mahesh T. Pai, LL.M., > 'NANDINI', S. R. M. Road, > Ernakulam, Cochin-682018, > Kerala, India. > > http://in.geocities.com/paivakil > > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ > > Consortium Development Free Software Consortium FSConsortium.com

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[Fsf-friends] [Commons-Law] FSF Statement on SCO v. IBM - Eben Moglen (fwd)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 28 Jun '03

28 Jun '03

Thanks to Sunil Abraham and the Commons-Law mailing list (India) for forwarding this. FN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- FSF Statement on SCO v. IBM Eben Moglen June 25, 2003 The lawsuit brought by the Santa Cruz Operation (SCO) against IBM has generated many requests for comment by FSF. The Foundation has refrained from making official comments on the litigation because only the plaintiff's allegations have been reported; comment on unverified allegations would ordinarily be premature. More disturbing than the lawsuit itself, however, have been public statements by representatives of SCO, which have irresponsibly suggested doubts about the legitimacy of free software overall. These statements require response. SCO's lawsuit asserts that IBM has breached contractual obligations between the two companies, and also that IBM has incorporated trade secret information concerning the design of the UNIX operating system into what SCO calls generally ``Linux.'' This latter claim has recently been expanded in extra-judicial statements by SCO employees and officers to include suggestions that ``Linux'' includes material copied from UNIX in violation of SCO's copyrights. An allegation to this effect was contained in letters apparently sent by SCO to 1500 of the world's largest companies warning against use of free software on grounds of possible infringement liability. It is crucial to clarify certain confusions that SCO's spokesmen have shown no disposition to dispel. In the first place, SCO has used ``Linux'' to mean ``all free software,'' or ``all free software constituting a UNIX-like operating system.'' This confusion, which the Free Software Foundation warned against in the past, is here shown to have the misleading consequences the Foundation has often predicted. ``Linux'' is the name of the kernel most often used in free software systems. But the operating system as a whole contains many other components, some of them products of the Foundation's GNU Project, others written elsewhere and published under free software licenses; the totality is GNU, the free operating system on which we have been working since 1984. Approximately half GNU's components are copyrighted works of the Free Software Foundation, including the C-compiler GCC, the GDB debugger, the C library Glibc, the bash shell, among other essential parts. The combination of GNU and the Linux kernel produces the GNU/Linux system, which is widely used on a variety of hardware and which taken as a whole duplicates the functions once only performed by the UNIX operating system. SCO's confusing use of names makes the basis of its claims unclear: has SCO alleged that trade secrets of UNIX's originator, AT&T--of which SCO is by intermediate transactions the successor in interest--have been incorporated by IBM in the kernel, Linux, or in parts of GNU? If the former, there is no justification for the broad statements urging the Fortune 1500 to be cautious about using free software, or GNU programs generally. If, on the other hand, SCO claims that GNU contains any UNIX trade secret or copyrighted material, the claim is almost surely false. Contributors to the GNU Project promise to follow the Free Software Foundation's rules for the project, which specify--among other things--that contributors must not enter into non-disclosure agreements for technical information relevant to their work on GNU programs, and that they must not consult or make any use of source code from non-free programs, including specifically UNIX. The Foundation has no basis to believe that GNU contains any material about which SCO or anyone else could assert valid trade secret or copyright claims. Contributors could have made misrepresentations of fact in their copyright assignment statements, but failing willful misrepresentation by a contributor, which has never happened so far as the Foundation is aware, there is no significant likelihood that our supervision of the freedom of our free software has failed. The Foundation notes that despite the alarmist statements SCO's employees have made, the Foundation has not been sued, nor has SCO, despite our requests, identified any work whose copyright the Foundation holds-including all of IBM's modifications to the kernel for use with IBM's S/390 mainframe computers, assigned to the Foundation by IBM--that SCO asserts infringes its rights in any way. Moreover, there are straightforward legal reasons why SCO's assertions concerning claims against the kernel or other free software are likely to fail. As to its trade secret claims, which are the only claims actually made in the lawsuit against IBM, there remains the simple fact that SCO has for years distributed copies of the kernel, Linux, as part of GNU/Linux free software systems. Those systems were distributed by SCO in full compliance with GPL, and therefore included complete source code. So SCO itself has continuously published, as part of its regular business, the material which it claims includes its trade secrets. There is simply no legal basis on which SCO can claim trade secret liability in others for material it widely and commercially published itself under a license that specifically permitted unrestricted copying and distribution. The same fact stands as an irrevocable barrier to SCO's claim that ``Linux'' violates SCO's copyright on UNIX source code. Copyright, as the United States Supreme Court has repeatedly emphasized, covers expressions, not ideas. Copyright on source code covers not how a program works, but only the specific language in which the functionality is expressed. A program written from scratch to express the function of an existing program in a new way does not infringe the original program's copyright. GNU and Linux duplicate some aspects of UNIX functionality, but are independent bodies, not copies of existing expressions. But even if SCO could show that some portions of its UNIX source code were copied into the kernel, the claim of copyright infringement would fail, because SCO has itself distributed the kernel under GPL. By doing so, SCO licensed everyone everywhere to copy, modify, and redistribute that code. SCO cannot now turn around and argue that it sold people code under GPL, guaranteeing their right to copy, modify and redistribute anything included, but that it somehow did not license the copying and redistribution of any copyrighted material of their own which that code contained. In the face of these facts, SCO's public statements are at best misleading and irresponsible. SCO has profited handily from the work of free software contributors throughout the world. Its current public statement constitute a gross abuse of the principles of the free software community, by a participant who has employed all our work for its own economic benefit. The Free Software Foundation calls upon SCO to retract its ill-advised and irresponsible statements, and to proceed immediately to separate its commercial disagreements with IBM from its obligations and responsibilities to the free software community. Copyright © Free Software Foundation, 2003. Verbatim copying of this article is permitted in any medium, provided this notice is preserved. Eben Moglen is General Counsel to FSF, and serves on its board of directors Return to GNU's home page. Support FSF's work by becoming an associate member. Please send FSF & GNU inquiries & questions to gnu(a)gnu.org. There are also other ways to contact the FSF. Please send comments on these web pages to webmasters(a)gnu.org, send other questions to gnu(a)gnu.org. Updated: $Date: 2003/06/27 22:02:10 $ $Author: bkuhn $ -- Sunil Abraham, sunil(a)mahiti.org http://www.mahiti.org MAHITI Infotech Pvt. Ltd.'Reducing the cost and complexity of ICTs' 314/1, 7th Cross, Domlur Bangalore - 560 071 Karnataka, INDIA Ph/Fax: +91 80 4150580. Mobile: 98455 12611 "If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas" George B. Shaw _______________________________________________ commons-law mailing list commons-law(a)mail.sarai.net http://mail.sarai.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/commons-law

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Indic solution for *Government Distro* (long)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 28 Jun '03

28 Jun '03

Interesting project. Anyone interested contact Jaco Aizenman <jaizenman(a)fsc.cc> The exchange below is self-explanatory. Kindly note that the release takes place on July 1. Apparently the links might be not yet working. Sorry for the lengthy post. FN >From fred(a)bytesforall.org Fri Jun 27 23:44:48 2003 Can someone on Indic Computing or Indian-eGov or even bytesforall_readers help with such work on Indianising this distro? Sounds interesting. FN On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Jaco Aizenman wrote: > ,danirc(a)bulma.net, peter(a)fsc.cc > CC: marlon(a)debian-rs.org, michelle(a)cipsga.org.br > Bcc: vbarba(a)fsc.cc, slopez@fsc.cc,dalmolin@e-cology.ca,joe@fsc.cc, > denisonzl@hotmail.com,anderson@debian-rs.org, A.Molina(a)ed.ac.uk. > gami@linux-delhi.org,geoff@sales.org, property(a)racsa.co.cr, > jgb(a)gsyc.escet.urjc.es > Subject: Indiand and Chinese developers welcome - Draft of FSC Press > release - Re: Marie > > Fred, we cannot send you yet the *Government Distro* because it will be > available just after we finish some internacionalization features that > will maximize its efficiency in multilanguage countries like India, or > different typos like China. > > Thats why we are looking for the *Red Flag* developers, and we will > apreciate also if you can contact us with Indian developers specialized > on adapting GNU/Linux Debian to the different Hindu languages. > > Marlon who receives a copy is the *Government Distro* developers leader, > and Michelle, who also receives a copy, is the *Technical Government > Body* Coordinator. You may tell Cesar that Marlon and Michelle are > Brasilians.... ;-) > > Marlon is coming to Costa Rica in August because he is giving a > presentation of the *Government Distro* to Costa Rican Government officials. > > Please also find below the last version of the *Government Distro* press > release that will be announced next week. > > FSC PRESS RELEASE > ======================================================= > Free Software Distribution for Governments > > A Free Software Package known as the "Government Distro" was launched > on July 1st by the Free Software Consortium (FSC), a global organization > dedicated to the promotion and commercialisation of Free Sofware. > > The Government Distro is a compilation of programs widely used by > the public sector in Brazil, Argentina and Spain. It contains the > GNU/Linux Operating System, an Office-like suite called Open Office, email > and instant messenger, a calendar, a database, a web browser application > and many other programs. > > All these applications have been used and tested previously in dozens > of Latin American and European users, in order to certify their > functionality. They have all been designed by highly talented > programmers _from_ (all) around the world. > > The Government Distro is meant to be a common free government system > platform for governments worldwide, both server and > client-side. > > Therefore, "the Government Distro is a big step towards the implementation > of Free Software in the public sector around the world", says Marie > Lopardo, Communications and Marketing (Government Body) Coordinator. > > > To obtain a full version of _the_ Government Distro visit > > www.fsc.cc/governmentdistro and register for it. > > All the programs in _the_ Government Distro are user-friendly and > some have been in use since 1999. > > _The_ Free Software Consortium is offering technical assistance for > Government Distro users. > > For more information, please email governmentdistro(a)fsc.cc > ================================================================= > > Consortium Development > Free Software Consortium > FSConsortium.com -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Jaco Aizenman wrote: > Hello Karunakar, > > The *Government Distro* is based on Debian. In the future we hopefully > will have versions in other distros, as long as they are free...! ;-) > > The only requisite for any software component of this *Government > Distro*, to be included in this *Government Distro*, is that it is > *already* being used by any Public Sector Government in the world. So > for example, it is composed by www.linex.org , which is Debian and Gnome > based, and being used today by the Public School system in the state of > Extremadura, Spain, in 60,000 schools!. :-) > > It also has other software components from Brasil and Argentina, and we > will like to include some other software components from India and China > if possible for the first release... > > A software component can be code like a router (Ututo R router, being > used in Argentinian schools), customization features like the one > *LinEx* has, or even application packages, like Government purchasing, > Accounting, Tax collection, which as for today we do not have anything, > but hopefully through the time, with the collective cooperation of > several hackers working for free Governments projects, we may have a > collective plataform which may fill the basic needs of many governments > worldwide. > > We are releasing the first version until August, but anyone can have > access to todays version if he/she can help our developing team who is > leaded by Marlon Dutra. > > Best, > > Jaco > > > If you could give more detials on the distro then I can tell what can > > be done in it -esp what all packages it includes. A copy to test would > > be ideal! > > > > <snip> > > > > > To obtain a full version of _the_ Government Distro visit > > > > > www.fsc.cc/governmentdistro and register for it. > > > > The link is inaccessible! > > > > Regards, > > Karunakar > > > > -- > > --------------------------- > > * Indian Linux project * > > * http://www.indlinux.org * > > --------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- T: 0091.832.2409490 or 2409783 M: 0 9822 122436 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Free software.. and software patents (on a CD)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 27 Jun '03

27 Jun '03

--__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:23:13 +0530 From: Suraj Kumar <suraj(a)symonds.net> To: ilugc <ilugc(a)aero.iitm.ernet.in> Subject: [Ilugc] Free Software speeches on CD I had the opportunity to download all the speeches on 'free software' and 'software patents' from gnu.org. I have cut a CD out of it. Unfortunately this collection does not contain RMS's speech at Chennai (Madras Institute of Technology) made on March 13th, 2002. However its worth noting that most of the speeches carry the same message (the only differences being the humour that he adds to various speeches). Especially the ones titled 'Free Software Movement' have little or no differences. For more information on the list of speeches, please visit: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/audio/audio.html The CD also bundles two of GnuPress published books: 1. Free Software, Free Society - http://www.gnu.org/doc/book13.html 2. Free as in Freedom - http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ Also included are the web pages from http://gnu.org/philosophy/ and http://gnu.org/licenses/ Interested people can borrow the CD, copy the OGGs onto your disk AND/OR make a CD out of it. All this upon the condition that my CD be returned in a day OR two. (ideally, borrow on a saturday and return on sunday). glitches: I should have put the ogg vorbis decoder (vorbis-tools and ogg123), ogg vorbis plugin for xmms, too in the CD. Maybe someone can come up with an upgraded version of the same CD with windows interop in mind, that would be fantastic! On another note, I have three empty CD-Rs. I would be very much helped if someone can make three gratis copies of the same for my own personal circulation. -Suraj -- +--------------------------------------------<suraj(a)symonds.net>---+ | The chemise lace on the buxom breasts of this belle | | is like the face shield on a rutting tusker | | (love that beauty darts - 7), Thirukkural | +---<http://symonds.net/~suraj/>-----------------------------------+ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ ilugc mailing list ilugc(a)aero.iitm.ernet.in http://www.aero.iitm.ernet.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- T: 0091.832.2409490 or 2409783 M: 0 9822 122436 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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