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[Fsf-friends] Fwd: [GloInterAct] Re: OpenSource solutions provider Red Hat signs 15 more ISVs in India, SL - Thursday, 03 March , 2005, 17:18
by Ankit Malik 09 Mar '05

09 Mar '05

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: namismail(a)softhome.net <namismail(a)softhome.net> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:42:54 -0700 Subject: [GloInterAct] Re: OpenSource solutions provider Red Hat signs 15 more ISVs in India, SL - Thursday, 03 March , 2005, 17:18 To: GloInterAct(a)yahoogroups.com Read this News ismail Indian Tech Hub Chooses Microsoft Wired News Report Page 1 of 1 08:54 AM Dec. 20, 2004 PT Microsoft won a battle against open-source software supporters in India's technology hub of Bangalore, with local authorities choosing its software for networking the state's utilities and services. An e-governance project for the 55 million people of Karnataka state, of which Bangalore is the capital, will begin April 2005 and will be powered by Microsoft's (MSFT) proprietary software. Wireless Hot Spot Directory Venkatappa Kumaraswamy writes: > Red Hat signs 15 more ISVs in India, SL - Thursday, 03 March , 2005, 17:18 > http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=13685328 > > New Delhi: OpenSource solutions provider Red Hat has added 15 new Independent Software Vendor (ISV) partners in India and Sri Lanka. > > Red Hat will work closely with these ISVs to ensure that their applications are certified on the Red Hat Enterprise Linux platform, the company said in a statement here. > Red Hat India has already partnered with over 50 ISVs, who are working on certifying their applications on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. > ''We are witnessing tremendous demand from Indian ISVs for certifying their applications on Red Hat Enterprise Linux, indicating the rapid acceptance and momentum of Linux in India. Red Hat is committed to providing support to Indian ISVs who wish to certify applications on Red Hat Enterprise Linux,'' Red Hat India Director Javed Tapia said. > The Red Hat Partner Community is designed to encourage the combination of OpenSource and traditional technologies into enterprise computing. It is a network of technology companies, including OEMs, ISVs, System Integratos, training organizations, distributors and resellers. > Over 400 types of hardware and 1,000 applications are already certified on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. > The Red Hat Partner Programme was established in 1999 with computing leaders Dell, IBM, Intel, HP, and Oracle. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Rcy2bD/UOnJAA/cosFAA/OwowlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GloInterAct/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: GloInterAct-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk [my blog]

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Re: [Ilugc] Tamil Nadu, +1 Syllabus, GNU/Linux
by Ramanraj K 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 03:03:01PM +0530, Joe Steeve wrote: > >> For now, it should be atleast `GNU/Linux` instead of `Linux`. I >> think, FSF-TN should be working with the governmental departments >> with this. > > Oh, so you want to get a law passed making people say GNU/Linux? Copyright Law gives the author(s) the right to due credit and honour in respect of their works, and no other special law is necessary to get it enforced. AFAIK, FSF and RMS merely *request* that the GNU/Linux Operating System be called by that name. (see: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/linux-gnu-freedom.html ) But in schools, the issue could become a yes/no question like: "Is it correct to call the Gnu/Linux Operating System as Linux ?" and getting it wrong means losing marks ;) Substantially, the inclusion of free software in the curriculum will result in significant gains for the teachers and students. Our Supreme Court recently said: "An educational institution runs smoothly when the teacher and the taught are engaged in the common ideal of pursuit of knowledge." It is needless to point out that Free Software helps to the utmost extent possible in the pursuit of knowledge. Free Software philosophy have also brought in a sea of change, the way curriculums are designed and taught, the world over, and we are no exception. The change to free software based on open standards is not by accident, but due to the efforts of RMS and several thousands of volunteers world wide, who deeply desired this change and made contributions for the better.

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[Fsf-friends] posting letter to the president (avoid product patents)
by amal manuel 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

hey, we need to save india from patent disaster. for posting the letter to the president either follow the link (easy way) http://presidentofindia.nic.in/scripts/writetopresident.jsp his mail id is presidentofindia(a)rb.nic.in please note that repeated mails with same subjects will automoatically filtered. so add subject line, something unique. regards, ~amal "its always darkest, before it goes pitch black" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Linux: Getting your digital pix using Linux
by Venkat Kumaraswamy 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

Linux: Getting your digital pix using Linux Alastair Cousins, PC World., 04/03/2005 07:48:54 It may lack an all-in-one solution like Apple's iPhoto, but there are tools that make using a digital camera with Linux easy. In this month's column, I'll be showing you some useful methods for accessing your digital camera under Linux, as well as JAlbum, a great tool for building Web-based photo albums. Downloading images from your camera There are two ways to access and download images from a digital camera under Linux. Determining which method is best for your camera will depend on the model of camera that you have. Some cameras work with the first method, others with the second. The best way to work out which method suits your hardware is simply to indulge in a little trial and error. They're both free, after all. gPhoto gPhoto >http://www.gphoto.org/ is a "one size fits all" solution to accessing photos stored on your digital camera, and includes native driver support for hundreds of cameras. A complete list is available at http://www.gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php, and you'll find a copy of gPhoto on this month's cover disc. If your camera isn't listed in gPhoto, the chances are that it can be accessed using the USB Mass Storage method covered in the next section. gPhoto includes a simple GUI interface, named gtkam. To access your camera, connect your digital camera to the USB port on your computer and switch the camera on. Once the camera is on, start gtkam by typing at a prompt: $ gtkam If supported, the camera will be auto-detected by gtkam and thumbnails of the images stored on it will be displayed. You can now copy these images to your computer. When you're done using gPhoto, remember to turn your camera off before disconnecting it from your computer. USB Mass StorageMost other cameras can be accessed as a USB Mass Storage device. This means that the camera is seen as a portable hard disk by the computer and no special drivers are needed, much like a USB key. Memory card readers - like the Laser 7-in-1 memory card reader that I have used in this article - can also be accessed with this method. You can pick one of these handy devices up for about $30, which is a worthwhile investment if you're often transferring photos from your camera. If you're using a product like this under Windows, the reader shows up as seven individual drives! This is both confusing and irritating, as you'll often find yourself double-clicking on random drive letters to find the contents of the memory card you just inserted. Fortunately, Linux is much smarter and only adds a drive when it's got a memory card in it. After attaching your card reader or camera to your computer, type the following command in a shell. $ dmesg If the camera or card reader is supported by Linux, you should see some messages similar to the following: scsi0: SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Vendor: Generic Model: STORAGE DEVICE Rev: 0128 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 SCSI device sda: 501760 512-byte hdwr sectors (257 MB) sda: sda1 >From these messages, you can see that the camera has been detected and a USB Mass Storage device driver has been loaded. The most important part of this message is the device name allocated to the camera, in this case "sda1". Using this information, I can now mount the camera like any other hard disk using the following commands as root: $ mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera $ ls /mnt/camera dcim misc nikon001.dsc Make sure you double check that the directory /mnt/camera exists. You can create this directory by typing as root: $ mkdir /mnt/camera You can now copy images from the camera using standard Linux commands or the file manager for your desktop. Once you are done with the camera, remember to unmount it before turning it off and disconnecting it. Use the following command: $ umount /mnt/camera Building a photo album I've included the photo album tool JAlbum on this month's cover disc. JAlbum runs on practically every operating system under the sun, including Windows, MacOS X and of course, Linux. To install it, you'll need a working installation of Java on your computer. Most distributions do not include Java, so I have included a copy on this month's cover disc, too. To install Java, type the following command in a shell while logged in as root. I like to install Java under /usr/local/ but you may prefer another location. $ sh ./jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin Once Java is installed, you can install JAlbum by simply typing the following two commands in a shell: $ export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/jre_1.5.0/bin $ ./JAlbum.bin When prompted, change the install location to /usr/local/jalbum and complete the installation. Once installed, you can start JAlbum by typing in a shell: $ /usr/local/jalbum/JAlbum Using JAlbum is quite straightforward. First, identify the location of the images you wish to make an album of and enter this into the Image Directory box. Second, select a location to output the gallery to and enter this into the Output Directory box. JAlbum includes a number of other options that you can adjust and large selection of themes for your photo album. Once the settings are to your liking, click Make Album and the gallery will be generated. You can now view the gallery by pointing a Web browser to the directory you entered as the output directory. Once you've designed your photo album, you can upload it to your Web site via FTP directly from JAlbum. Click on the Publish tab and enter the details of your Web host. Check with your ISP if you have Web space available - most ISPs offer a small amount to all customers. There is a Test Connection option available to test these settings before publishing your album. Using your photos XScreensaver is the standard Linux screensaver application, and is supported in both KDE and GNOME. Included with XScreensaver are many screensavers that manipulate images. You can set XScreensaver to work with your photo collection by starting the Screensaver control panel on your desktop and selecting the Advanced tab. From this menu set XScreensaver to Choose Random Image rather than the default setting of Grab Desktop Images. Now when you use a screensaver such as Distort, a random image will be loaded from your photo collection and manipulated by XScreensaver. You can also use your digital photos as a desktop background, or for icons for your favourite programs. To set a desktop background in GNOME, right click on the background and select the Change Desktop Background menu option. From the window that appears, select Add Wallpaper and load up your digital camera photos. It is possible to load multiple photos at once by holding down the key and clicking on each file name. To use a photo as an icon, right-click on an icon and select Properties. Click the Select Custom Icon button and Browse to the location of the photo you wish to use. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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jassi :)
by Ankit Malik 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

just saw my little sister trying out this javascript:window.open('http://www.webresourceindia.com/jassi/jassi.asp' ,'','toolbar=no,width=780,height=566,scrollbars=no,resizable=no'); is this possible by a FLOSS software ? -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk [my blog]

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Re: [Fsf-friends] change
by Praveen A 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

> err..umm...wrong message??? cant figure out one! > i am just telling my friends to stop piracy [piracy is the only word > they understand not illegal/unauthorised copying, that wud remind them > of cheating in exams!!! ROFL! and i am suggesting them a very good > alternative i.e. GNU/Linux They are not gonna stop just like that Ankit. I've experience with my friends. They know that nobody is gonna get hanged by copying these softwares and they will continue doing it. And see we are not top stop sharing -- WE ARE FOR SHARING, we encourage sharing. We are against those who try to stop. so if you call helping your neighbour a pirate, well I dunno. RMS tells that it is even worse to use legal propreitary software than the illegal thing because in illegal software you don't agree not to co-operate/share it with your neighbour. The GNU project was started not against piracy, but against the system that prevent people from co-operating with others. So you want them to use authorised copies of Microsoft Windows ? [Then you cannot call them pirates, right ?] So what you'll tell to people who payed for Microsoft Windows ? -- "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels." A proud GNU user http://www.gnu.org http://www.edathanattukara.com My Weblog at http://www.livejournal.com/users/pravi Visit me at http://www.pravi.tk Rediscover the web ! Get firefox at http://www.getfirefox.com Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

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Re: Something About SLYNUX - Demo+key+SL Eperiodic
by vishravars Ramasubramanian 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

Hi Sarath , I just need a small clarification from you. You said you support Free Software and you have also said that you totally support free s/w in the link http://www.slynux.co.nr/ But one small doubt i have. Why is the sentence -> You can freely install demo version of the software from downloads. After installing you will get serial number from the author, SarathLakshman by a request e-mail. Which you have given in the link http://www.slcreations.g3z.com/ If i am right i think it is for SL E-Periodic. I think this is M$ way of doing things... and i have seen many freedom lovers hating such sentences Could you please explain me the reason why such method being followed ? Cheers Vishravars.R http://vishravars.blogspot.com __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

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change
by Ankit Malik 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

check out how things change when you switch to FLOSS! just an example : http://ankitmalik.freesuperhost.com/?p=154 -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk "How would it feel if i stole your car in the morning and return it after 3-4 days? STOP PIRACY! Use GNU/ Linux instead!"

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mono business
by balachandran c 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

What is your opinion about mono? Is it advisable to suggest mono based applications to my friends? Should friends help friends install beagle or tomboy? bala.

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Patents can Kill People
by Venkat Kumaraswamy 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Email:cpim@vsnl.com Communist Party of India (Marxist) A.K. Gopalan Bhawan 27-29, Bhai Vir Singh Marg, New Delhi 110 001 Tel. (91-11) 23344918, 23363692, 23747435/36 fax: (91-11) 23747483 Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar(a)bravegnu.org> wrote: Ramanraj K writes: > http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=65640 > > Please post any links, articles, views or opinions that could help in > voicing our concern against the proposed drastic amendments to the > Patents Act. Are we not too late? If not, can we write to the CPI(M) about this? There have been articles about the Patents Ordinance in People's Democracy(Weekly magazine of CPI(M)). They are the only ones(among political parties) who seem to be concerned about this. http://pd.cpim.org/2005/0130/01302005_snd.htm http://pd.cpim.org/2005/0227/02272005_patent%20ordinance.htm http://pd.cpim.org/2005/0130/01302005_dsf.htm Vijay _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

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Watz ur GNu Quotient
by Ankit Malik 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Watz ur GNU Quotient? Check it out @ http://scribbler.tk [my blog] and find out your GNU Quotient /score ! Feedback solicited! thanks -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk "How would it feel if i stole your car in the morning and return it after 3-4 days? STOP PIRACY! Use GNU/ Linux instead!"

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No Patents Please
by Ankit Malik 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Patents are a devious tool to harm developing countries' development. Not only will patents harm software; but will also lead to rise in prices of medicines. [Read further for more info] What you can do ? a) Post this on your blog/website too if you have one b) Email this to as many people as you know c) Email to the Editor of various magazines, newspapers that we don't want patents d) Email to the President of India and any political party in India who has an email Why are patents bad ? Below are some medicines whose cost are given as follows (In India in Rupees) [In US in Rupees] SYPROFLOCSACIN (29 Rupees) (2353 Rupees) DYCHLOPHYNAC (4 Rupees) [675 Rupees] These are just two examples. Wondering why medicines are SO cheap in India? This is because India had a big pharmaceutical industry. They can produce drugs at a fraction of the cost at what Merck wants to sell them for. Infact the drug prices are way lower in India than in Pakistan next door because India happened to develop its own pharmaceutical industry. The American Corporations don't like that .They want more children to die in India. They want more profit; which means more children die in India. They want to make sure that India doesn't produce drugs costing less than the American counterparts. Now this is done in two ways under GATT. One way is to increase the length of patents. The other is to change their character from Process Patent to Product Patent. The thing that made American prices higher is now put up as an Ordinance in India. It is being considered in next Session of our Parliament. So we need to ACT now before it is too late, before we will need to burn our pocket before even buying a tablet of Disprin or the like. Please follow the actions as mentioned above to spread this fact among as many people, so that this Bill is not passed. Maybe, the legislature will listen… But let us try our best. -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk

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Something About SLYNUX
by Sarath Lakshman 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Dear Friends, I got so many appreciative and some opposive mails about My SLYNUX ( Remaster of knoppix). Among them, I got some mails from FSF people. They claimed that �There is nothing new in SLYNUX when compared to knoppix� . Partially I also agree with the statement�.But everyone should understand the reason and themes behind SLYNUX�.It�s target is not new markets..like MS. I never claimed that I have made an OS. Actually, the thing behind SLYNUX is: I am very much interested in GNU/Linux. It was my first experience before 1 year I tried out Redhat 7 for the first time. I myself installed it�then I was a windows user. First of all � My attraction was captured on it�s GUI. I felt it was nice. I didn�t know any shell comments or other functions in Gnu/Linux that time. My only tool was mouse pointer�like windows I used it. At that time I thought that all windows program can b executed in Linux. Also thought that Fat32 FS will not work in GNU/Linux. After 2 days I tried to remove Redhat..because I disappointed abt that �I can�t use Linux for my use�. There was no mp3 support and no video player in it. So I left Linux OS. I removed the installed boot loader (GRUB) by over writing it with re-installing windows. This experience�resulted me in search of a user friendly Linux. At that time I didn�t have an internet connection. So there were limitations for collecting knowledge about Linux. One of the FSF friends reviewed about �www.slcreations.g3z.com� (U will get this link from www.slynux.co.nr) that the content in that site is invalid and foolish. Actually that site was created by me when I was in 8th Standard�when I was a newbie in Computer field. (I was wanted to know how websites are created. So using some templates I created the website and wrote funny and foolish things in that site. Some sentences. like �SL e- Periodic table came in to the market.) I have developed a software called E � Periodic Table�But it was freeware and never came to the market..At the time I created this html page..I didn�t know what is FSF and didn�t heard about it. In my locality (Mahe; Near Tellicherry) No one used Linux and any one didn�t know something about Linux or FS in my knowledge. Some of them heard about �Linux�. That�s all. Some of the computer shops had Redhat. And they thought that there is only one Linux � Redhat. Before 11 months I got Knoppix 3.1 from a man studying in engg college (In Yanam). I became much interested in knoppix and tried out. I gave copies of knoppix to my friends. They used it for 5 or 6 days and said ��What Linux? Even we can�t use it friendly..No one didn�t understand the program names.� I gave awareness to my friends about Linux�.They became bored about hearing my philosophy. After getting internet connection, I came to know more about Linux and Knoppix. I decided to make a user favourable Remaster of Knoppix with a lot of features. I tried to learn shell commands�.. For creating SLYNUX, I had spent most of night ( about to 3.30 A.M) for months for getting my effort to a success�.In some days of a little bit success�I had jumped with glad. � Advanced users of Linux will not understand the problems faced by common windows users who tried out Linux and disappointed�.Because they have a wide possibility of getting info abt Linux ( Through LUGs, FSF community etc). But common users are left non-techy..and they will not spend the time for experimentation in Linux to learn it. I know it from experience� (especially People in Mahe). I am sure that more and more people can switch to Linux easily using SLYNUX. ( I recommend SLYNUX only for beginners). Common People can also install SLYNUX easily through some clicks� I have now lots of ideas to make SLYNUX more and more user friendly�I have some ideas to develop a distro from scratch independly from knoppix..(using a different compression method) as someone commented that SLYNUX cannot be considered as a distro)� I have only a 14.4 kbps internet�.(phone bills..r not affordable now a days) I have some plans to create an LUG in Mahe. Hope that FSF will help me.. I request FSF friends to continue sending opinions about �SYNUX� or give advices to make it better.. What Changes I have to make in SLYNUX Website? (www.slynux.co.nr) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I�m now studying 10th Standard (SCERT syllabus)�.After my Exams I could spend more time on Linux. ---------------MY ULTIMATE AIM IS TO FAMILIARISE GNU/LINUX--------------------------- Regards:- SarathLakshman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Looking for a GNULinComPC
by Ankit Malik 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Hi One of the problems with GNU/Linux h/w compatibility which is due to some h/w developers who think that their users run only some crap Windoze OS. Now I am contemplating upgrading my PC [whole PC minus KVM] but i want all the stuff to be linux...err.. gnu/linux compatible. what i am looking @ > A New MoBo > A New Cabinet > 256 MB RAM or MoBo which supports my existing SDRAM and shud also support NEW DDRAM too ;-) > 80 GB HDD > DVD Reader The New MoBo should have AGP Slot [ I already own an AGP Graphics card], PCI Slots [3-4],, Onboard Sound, USB with slots in the front of the cabinet. and yeah intel pentium IV with ghz > 2.5 OR And yeah all of it GNU/LINUX COMPATIBLE. is there any system assembler out there living in south delhi who can help me build such a system? my budget is @ the max 12K to 14K -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk "How would it feel if i stole your car in the morning and return it after 3-4 days? STOP PIRACY! Use GNU/ Linux instead!"

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RE: [Fsf-friends] Something About SLYNUX
by Sharma. Vishal 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Quite intriguing - 13 unlucky -well i'm born on 13 as well :( Anyway lets not get away from the real topics Vishal -----Original Message----- From: fsf-friends-bounces(a)mm.gnu.org.in on behalf of Ankit Malik Sent: Sun 3/6/2005 8:08 PM To: Principal Support List of FSF-India Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Something About SLYNUX what does top posting mean? err... btw regarding that 13thingie, actually GMAIL lists all the emails and its replies in the form of a conversation. so the conversation starts from 1 to 2 and so on.. so that conversation was the 13th one and that sounds unlucky ;-) so i posted a blank thread to make the no. of conversations to 14. sounds superstitous? sure it does! :D cheers On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:29:35 +0530, Anurag <anurag(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in> wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:35:14 +0530, "Ankit Malik" <ankitmalik(a)gmail.com> > said: > > 13 is an unlucky number... so posting the 14th thread to this post :) > > > > > > What does this mean? > Please do not top post. Top posting messes up the archives of our > mailing list. > > Anurag > > -- > ----------------------------------------------- > __ __ > gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. > (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix. > > _______________________________________________ > Fsf-friends mailing list > Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends

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Battle for the developer's mind?
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

What seems to be a very significant flame-war has broken out at the Linux-Bangalore mailing list, involving a Microsoft-influenced "focus group" that is keen to study how Free/Libre and Open Source Software (FLOSS) works. This was the initial posting that came from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/message/4789 and had this to say: > From: Swaroop C H <swaroop@s...> > Date: Wed Mar 2, 2005 3:39 pm > Subject: Want to talk to Microsoft (India) about Linux? > Hi, > Are there any students on this list? If so, and you are interested > to have a discussion with Microsoft about Linux and why OSS rocks or > just plain want to tell MS why they suck, then please reply me > off-list. > For more details, please see http://lfg2005.cjb.net/ > P.S. I don't work for MS. I work for Y! and I'm very much a OSS > person. No flames, please. > Thanks, > ===== > Swaroop C H > Blog: http://www.swaroopch.info > Book: http://www.byteofpython.info Atul Chitnis' reply is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/ message/4799 It raises a number of issues, one of which is: > Before anyone gets majorly excited here... > The actual URL of this page is > http://linuxpaneldiscussion.europe.webmatrixhosting.net/ > Why is this buried in a frame like that? And why is there no actual > reference to this event on the Microsoft site? A hotmail email address as > a contact address? In fact the Microsoft connection is *buried* there, as > if someone is deliberately trying to hide it, making Sheila Gulatti almost a > visiting guest speaker. > I did some digging, and sure enough, here we go: > http://groups.msn.com/BDotNETStudent In another post, the students organising this event vouch for their independence. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/ message/4813 Atul comments elsewhere (message 4799): > Microsoft has been trying to chip away at the interest and goodwill that > Linux and FOSS have been building up in the student community for many > years (remember MS speakers at LB?), and what better way to identify who > the "afflicted" ones are by getting them to come and and reveal themselves > in public by speaking about Linux and Open Source? Another post comments: > Thirdly, you probably have not had as much exposure to Microsoft tactics > as many of us have, so you probably do not know *how* you are influenced. > For that matter, neither do I. But when a company goes around in schools > and colleges and establishes a formal "ambassador" system that is > primarily aimed at influencing others, then please pardon me when I yell > "Hey, Redmond, leave our schools alone!". :) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/message/4815 Leocool wrote further: > call it a marketing gimmick if you must, but at end of > the day we students are not idiots to be Pied-Pipered into something > we dont wanna be doing. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/message/4817 Surprise, surprise... Atul says he traced this "student's" tracks right back to Redmond: > Please examine the headers of "Leo"'s message carefully. > Pay attention to the X-Originating-IP header and the address shown there: > X-Originating-IP: 207.46.50.70 > A quick whois reveals this: > $ whois 207.46.50.70@w... > [Querying whois.arin.net] > [whois.arin.net] > OrgName: Microsoft Corp > OrgID: MSFT > Address: One Microsoft Way > City: Redmond > StateProv: WA > PostalCode: 98052 > Country: US http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/message/4818 FN

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RMS on Intellectual Property
by Vivek Vaghese Cherian 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Hello, RMS on Intellectual Property. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.xhtml -- Vivek Varghese Cherian Free as in Freedom <www.gnu.org>

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Re: Something About SLYNUX - Demo+key+SL Eperiodic
by Sarath Lakshman 05 Mar '05

05 Mar '05

Dear friends, i'm very sorry about it. The site 'www.slcreations.g3z.com' was created by me when I was in 8th Standard as a joy. At that time i didn't know about free software and i even hadn't heard about FSF that time. Then I was a windows user. it was the time i was trying 2 learn VB and created a periodic table software. When I was studying in 8th standard, I got an idea to make a website ( I hadn't an internet connection that time) I just tried 2 make a site for understanding how to make a site. when I got internet connection, I uploaded that web to a freehost. Listen the quote in the wesite (" We provide you the best customer service as we can. This is a free software provider. We give you different and different software. We release software per month. The latest software we released is SL E- PeriodicTable.(See products). Our slogan is technology changes day by day. So the software will become free software. You should write to me about our site and products. You can freely install demo version of the software from downloads. After installing you will get serial number from the author, SarathLakshman by a request e-mail.") these are some statements just i kept in the website to fill the home page. there is no download link to get SL e - periodic table. did u see download page ? there is the free serial No of SL - E- periodic table.. please see that.. actually my learning method is learning by doing: inorder to learn vb i made this software. and i also wanted to know how shareware versions are created? so i made a shareware version( With Serial No: "ISLEPT2K31" of e-periodic table. I gave this software for free to everyone who asked for the copy and so many students are satisfied. I have given this software to IT@school 4 including in resource CD. It is full version.. And i gave all people -the full version. "At the time of developing e- periodic table, i only heard Linux, then i thought that Linux is a very dificult computer language !!" After hosting i didn't update the site later... So please don't think that i'm following propritory. At the time of hosting that site, there was no visitors for that site... IF U want SL e-Periodic table, i can send it 2 u. Aftr my exams i will update that site with necessary changes. thank u all...... Sarath Lakshman --- vishravars Ramasubramanian <vishrav_r(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote: > Hi Sarath , > I just need a small clarification from you. You said > you support Free Software and you have also said > that > you totally support free s/w in the link > http://www.slynux.co.nr/ > > But one small doubt i have. > > Why is the sentence -> You can freely install demo > version of the software from downloads. After > installing you will get serial number from the > author, > SarathLakshman by a request e-mail. > Which you have given in the link > http://www.slcreations.g3z.com/ > If i am right i think it is for SL E-Periodic. > > I think this is M$ way of doing things... and i have > seen many freedom lovers hating such sentences > > Could you please explain me the reason why such > method > being followed ? > > Cheers > Vishravars.R > > http://vishravars.blogspot.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fsf-friends mailing list > Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Re: Something About SLYNUX - Demo+key+SL Eperiodic
by amal manuel 05 Mar '05

05 Mar '05

hey !, --- Ankit Malik <ankitmalik(a)gmail.com> wrote: > btw kinda off topic but abhijeet savant wins the > indian idol and i am > the first person to report this on the mailing list > :) > ankit you are a wonderful kid !! :)))). and sarath, its not necessary to keep the archaic sites. if you surely want to keep it. tar it version it. gunzip it. and keep in some underground ftp site. :D regards, amal ~amal "its always darkest, before it goes pitch black" __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

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[Fwd: [Ilugc] "Letter from Peruvian Congressman"]
by Ramanraj K 05 Mar '05

05 Mar '05

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Ilugc] "Letter from Peruvian Congressman" Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:33:41 +0530 From: Sridhar Ratna <sridharinfinity(a)gmail.com> Reply-To: Sridhar Ratna <sridharinfinity(a)gmail.com> To: Chennai Linux User's Group <ilugc(a)ae.iitm.ac.in> This is a reply made to a slashdot post (http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/04/1359234 ) Letter from Peruvian Congressman - by suso (Score: 4, Insightful) Thread This letter (http://www.opensource.org/docs/peru_and_ms.php ) by Dr. Edgar David Villenueva Nunez that the linked article links to is absolutely fantastic. I've never read such a good argument for open source outside of its founders. Nor have I read such a great and well thought out letter by a modern day politician. It makes me want to move to Peru. I think that you all should take a moment to read through that so that you can remind yourself that open source is the "more correct" form of software development. -- Sridhar Ratna - http://srid.bsdnerds.org _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-request(a)ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Something About SLYNUX
by Sarath Lakshman 04 Mar '05

04 Mar '05

Dear Sir, Very Thanks for your mail.. I'm glad that i could experience gnoware. After my SSLC exams, i could work more on FS experiments on GNU/Linux. Postal Address: 'Anaswara', Perumunderi, New Mahe - 673311 Phone No: 0490 2336600 With Regards, ----------------------------- S.L http://www.slynux.co.nr ----------------------------- --- "Nagarjuna G." <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> wrote: > > Ankit and Sarath, > > we are very proud to have you on the list. I hope > it will inspire > many other students to experience the freedom of > free software. > > Meanwhile, do send me your postal address off list. > I will send you > the latest gnoware for testing, this is made > specially for schools. > > Nagarjuna > > > _______________________________________________ > Fsf-friends mailing list > Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

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[Fsf-friends] RECAP of MONEY and FLOSS - Discussions - It should continue to get more answers fro more members
by Venkat Kumaraswamy 04 Mar '05

04 Mar '05

Here is the recap which were posted in the group. ______________________________________________________________ There's few good articles on the http://www.gnu.org site. I would also suggest these books: 1) The Success of Open Source by Steven Weber 2) Free for All: How LINUX and the Free Software Movement Undercut the High-Tech Titans by Peter Wayner 3) Free Culture: How Big Media Uses Technology and the Law to Lock Down Culture and Control Creativity -- by Lawrence Lessig (not techinicall related with Free software, but same philiosophy). -- Sharif Islam http://www.sharifislam.com - sharif.islam(a)gmail.com Research Programmer University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign Library Systems Office 217-244-4688 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks You Sandip. Let me give you another example. Imagine the state of the IT Industry in India. Most (90%) of the companies are services based companies. They don't develop products. In the case of a FLOSS developer, he has an added advantage in that *he* is the product developer and *he* is also the service provider. Ofcourse, if you include the amount of customizations that can be implementaed for your clients, the oppurtunities are limitless. And your clients will also not mind your product being FLOSS Licensed as long as it serves their purpose and they will be happy to have a community constantly developing *their* software (for free) , so that they don't have to care about maintainence. Ofcourse they might want it customised for a new release, this is where repeat business comes in for you. :) Regards, Toufeeq Hussain - toufeeqh(a)gmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Since the software is free(as in freedom), anyone could modify the installation system and make it user friendly. Vijay - vijaykumar(a)bravegnu.org ________________________________________________________________ "So this said person gives away his software for free, and sells the service of installing it for his clients. No body knows the software as well as he does, and not all clients want to mess around with hacking a software to customize to their needs. So this guy is bound to get work based on his services. IF he has a get-rich-quick idea in mind, I am sorry, but FOSS isn't his area. Let him stick to closed source - in which case there is a 90+% chance that he will fail (in keeping with market norm). " but then that would tempt Person X to keep the installation bit an uneasy procedure since that is his/her only source of bread. "Ankit Malik" <ankitmalik(a)gmail.com> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sandip Bhattacharya" <sandip(a)lug-delhi.org> This has been answered too many times. I will try to answer it the way I have been convinced. The question you ask is generally asked by people who think making products is the only way to make money. Such people are normally lured by the prospect of creating product once and selling it multiple times and getting rich quick. These same people somehow miss out all the people working around him - the plumber, the carpenter, the accountant, the banker, the electrician ... all the people who earn by selling their *services*. In fact, the service sector of the economy far surpasses the product oriented sector. Just like only the FMCG (Fast moving consumer goods) area of our product economy will always make money, similarly niche fields in software products (like accounting software which needs to be updated every year or anti-virus software) will always make money. And like the rest of the real world products like refrigerators, fridges whose markets become saturated over time, long-term software products (like Commercial operating systems) will also get saturated. Sooner or later long-term software producers have to turn to a service model to ensure constant revenue stream. In short, software products anyway dont work well in the long term. Services always will (even though they would not give you any sharp spikes in revenue like products). FOSS offers the best option for software developers worldwide to develop a common public body of software and then sell it in their local market as a service. Over time this common software treasure will only get richer as no proprietary company can afford to maintain such a huge amount of software at such a scale of human effort. Coming back to your question... So this said person gives away his software for free, and sells the service of installing it for his clients. No body knows the software as well as he does, and not all clients want to mess around with hacking a software to customize to their needs. So this guy is bound to get work based on his services. IF he has a get-rich-quick idea in mind, I am sorry, but FOSS isn't his area. Let him stick to closed source - in which case there is a 90+% chance that he will fail (in keeping with market norm). - Sandip Sandip Bhattacharya * Puroga Technologies * sandip(a)puroga.com Work: http://www.puroga.com * Home/Blog: http://www.sandipb.net/blog --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hello, i guess you might have received a lot of answers. instead of repeating all that here. can you just brief all the answers you got and your counter-args, since it will reduce the no of threads. regards, amal - "amal manuel" <amalmanuel(a)yahoo.com> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi I know this is an old question! In fact I have asked this at loads of places but with no satisfactory answer. I hope you guys answer it >> "Mr. X is a software developer. He develops a Software Y and releases it as free [as in freedom and beer] So how does he earn money" -- Ankit Malik - "Ankit Malik" <ankitmalik(a)gmail.com> http://scribbler.tk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Money ??
by amal manuel 04 Mar '05

04 Mar '05

hello, i guess you might have received a lot of answers. instead of repeating all that here. can you just brief all the answers you got and your counter-args, since it will reduce the no of threads. regards, amal --- Ankit Malik <ankitmalik(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > I know this is an old question! In fact I have asked > this at loads of > places but with no satisfactory answer. > > I hope you guys answer it >> > > "Mr. X is a software developer. He develops a > Software Y and releases > it as free [as in freedom and beer] So how does he > earn money" > -- ~amal "its always darkest, before it goes pitch black" __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

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Money ??
by Ankit Malik 04 Mar '05

04 Mar '05

Hi I know this is an old question! In fact I have asked this at loads of places but with no satisfactory answer. I hope you guys answer it >> "Mr. X is a software developer. He develops a Software Y and releases it as free [as in freedom and beer] So how does he earn money" -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk

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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: FSF-India response to the Patents (Amendments)Ordinance, 2004
by Ramanraj K 04 Mar '05

04 Mar '05

Shiv, thanks for your comments. Before the amendment, Section 3(k) of the Patents Act, 1970, falling under "inventions not patentable", stood as follows: "3(k) a mathematical or business method or a computer program per se or algorithms;" It should be left alone in peace. >>Please confine this thread to the amendments proposed to >>Section 3(k) *only*, which is of immediate interest to the FSF India. >> >> "3. In section 3 of the principal Act, (a) in clause (d), for the >> words new use , the words mere new use shall be substituted; (b) >> for clause (k), the following clauses shall be substituted, >> namely: >> >> (k) a computer programme per se other than its technical >> application to industry or a combination with hardware; >> >> (ka) a mathematical method or a business method or algorithms;" >> >> >> >Comments: > >1) Software already has copyright protection, and in addition, >closed-source software also has trade-secret protection. It definitely >doesn't need patent protection in addition. > Correct. TRIPS in fact obliges the member states, India, US and all the others there, to the do the following, which are very clear and self-explanatory: <quote> Article 9 Relation to the Berne Convention 1. Members shall comply with Articles 1 through 21 of the Berne Convention (1971) and the Appendix thereto. However, Members shall not have rights or obligations under this Agreement in respect of the rights conferred under Article 6b is of that Convention or of the rights derived therefrom. 2. Copyright protection shall extend to expressions and not to ideas, procedures, methods of operation or mathematical concepts as such. Article 10 Computer Programs and Compilations of Data 1. Computer programs, whether in source or object code, shall be protected as literary works under the Berne Convention (1971). 2. Compilations of data or other material, whether in machine readable or other form, which by reason of the selection or arrangement of their contents constitute intellectual creations shall be protected as such. Such protection, which shall not extend to the data or material itself, shall be without prejudice to any copyright subsisting in the data or material itself. </quote> The amendment seriously goes against the grain of the above Articles. The mischief, as though the amedment is required to cover "embedded software", is apparently done by misinterpreting Article 27 of TRIPS, dealing with "Patentable Subject Matter" which begins as follows: "1. ... patents shall be available for any inventions, whether products or processes, in all fields of technology, provided that they are new, involve an inventive step and are capable of industrial application..." It is meaningless to justify patents for "embedded software" on the basis of Article 27, and this should explain the source for the mumbo-jumbo below : > >2) This "application to industry" phrase is mumbo-jumbo. Every single >piece of software is applicable to industry - effectively, the phrase >provides a general catch-all exemption. > >3) The "combination with hardware" phrase is even more mumbo-jumbo. All >software functions *only* in combination with hardware. How else are you >going to use the program, hand-simulate it with paper-and-pencil in a >computer science class? Another general catch-all exemption. > It would be clear that TRIPS plainly prescribes copyrights for computer programs, and the above mumbo-jumbo is merely a fanciful invention ;)

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Patents can Kill People
by Ramanraj K 04 Mar '05

04 Mar '05

A snip from "The Profits That Kill" available online at http://www.adduonline.com/articles/bunting.htm : <quote> Put baldly, patents are killing people. But that's not all. Intellectual property protection has become a tool to make permanent the growing inequality of the global economy... </quote> Kuldip Nayar has written an article titled "UPA, come out from the cold: It must get back to first principles if it is to be faithful to its mandate" which is available online at http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=65640 Please post any links, articles, views or opinions that could help in voicing our concern against the proposed drastic amendments to the Patents Act. Thanks, Ramanraj.

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REcipe for a Successful [GNU]Linux User Group
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 03 Mar '05

03 Mar '05

The most recent version of this essay can be found at http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Linux_PR/newlug.html. Recipe for a Successful Linux User Group by Rick Moen See the full essay online ****** Really good. -FN 1. You need a Web page. 2. Your Web page needs a reasonable URL. 3. You need a regular meeting location. 4. You need a regular meeting time. 5. You need to avoid meeting-time conflicts. 6. You need to make sure that meetings happen as advertised, without fail. 7. You need a core of several Linux enthusiasts. 8. Your core volunteers need out-of-band methods of communication. 9. You need to get on the main lists of LUGs, and keep your entries accurate. * http://www.ssc.com/glue/ * http://lugww.counter.li.org/ * http://nlug.org/webring/ * http://www.redhat.com/apps/community/LUG/ * http://www.linux.org/groups/ * http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/User_Groups/ * http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Software/ Operating_Systems/Unix/Linux/User_Groups/ 10. You must have login access to maintain your Web pages, as needed. 11. Design your Web page to be forgiving of deferred maintenance. 12. Always include the day of the week, when you cite event dates. Always check that day of the week, first, using gcal [2] (or cal). gcal is your friend. 13. Place time-sensitive and key information prominently near the top of your main Web page. 14. Include maps and directions to your events. 15. Emphasise on your main page that your meeting will be free of charge and open to the public (if it is). 16. You'll want to include an RSVP "mailto" hyperlink, on some events. 17. Use referral pages. 18. Make sure every page has a revision date and maintainer link. 19. Check all links, at intervals. 20. You may want to consider establishing a LUG mailing list. 21. You don't need to be in the Internet Service Provider business. 22. Don't go into any other business, either. 23. Walk the walk. LUG checklist. The following checklist may be useful for your group, once established. 1. Web page: a. Meetings: [ ] Current meeting info? Is it prominent? [ ] Day of the week? Beginning time? Ending time? [ ] Double-checked day/date matches against a calendar? (E.g., is the "Friday, March 28" you listed an error, because the 28th is a Thursday?) [ ] Location? [ ] Map? [ ] Directions (car, public transit)? Parking tips? [ ] Information on the next several meetings? [ ] RSVP mailto link on meetings where this is needed? [ ] Note that meetings are free and open to the public (if they are)? [ ] If there's a special fee, is it disclosed next to the event listing? [ ] If location / time / date formula has changed recently, is this noted prominently? [ ] Have you checked for event conflicts with other nearby groups, or with holidays? b. General: [ ] Includes event date-formulas (e.g., 4th Tuesdays)? Prominently? [ ] Maintainer mailto link? [ ] Last-revised date? c. Periodically (maybe every quarter): [ ] Checked all links on your site for dead links? [ ] Checked your Web server's logs for pages requested but not found? (You'll want to put a referral page at that URL.) [ ] Read all your Web content attentively for outdated content? 2. Other, periodical: [ ] Reviewed/updated all LUG lists that have entries concerning your group? [ ] Reviewed all sites that link to yours? Advised their webmasters of needed corrections? Last revised: 2003-08-04 Having seen (and run) quite a few Linux user groups (LUGs), and observed some thrive and others die, I can hazard some firm recommendations. If you're thinking of starting a LUG, or are running one now, please ponder these lessons, drawn from other LUGs' experience. In fact, please consider reviewing this list from time to time, as a kind of checklist. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ d88888b d8b db Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa India 88' 888o 88 f r e d @ b y t e s f o r a l l . o r g 88ooo 88V8o 88 http://www.bytesforall.org * http://fn.swiki.net 88~~~ 88 V8o88 Phone 0091.832.2409490 Mobile 09822 122436 88 88 V888 784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Sonarbhat Saligao Goa 403511 YP VP V8P Writing ... with a difference, on issues that matter

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Patents can Kill People
by Venkat Kumaraswamy 03 Mar '05

03 Mar '05

Good work Ankit Ankit Malik <ankitmalik(a)gmail.com> wrote:Just sent an email to the Prez with a link to Pravi's blog. Hope he will read it. Next Target: Times Of India's Letter to editor On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:06:53 -0800 (PST), Venkat Kumaraswamy wrote: > Email:cpim@vsnl.com > Communist Party of India (Marxist) > A.K. Gopalan Bhawan > 27-29, Bhai Vir Singh Marg, New Delhi 110 001 > Tel. (91-11) 23344918, 23363692, 23747435/36 > fax: (91-11) 23747483 > > Vijay Kumar wrote: > Ramanraj K writes: > > > http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=65640 > > > > Please post any links, articles, views or opinions that could help in > > voicing our concern against the proposed drastic amendments to the > > Patents Act. > > Are we not too late? > > If not, can we write to the CPI(M) about this? There have been > articles about the Patents Ordinance in People's Democracy(Weekly > magazine of CPI(M)). They are the only ones(among political parties) > who seem to be concerned about this. > > http://pd.cpim.org/2005/0130/01302005_snd.htm > http://pd.cpim.org/2005/0227/02272005_patent%20ordinance.htm > http://pd.cpim.org/2005/0130/01302005_dsf.htm > > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > Fsf-friends mailing list > Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > > --------------------------------- > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > _______________________________________________ > Fsf-friends mailing list > Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

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[Fsf-friends] RMS and Delhi Visit -- Is it the way we receive guests ? Especially a man like RMS -- sighs
by Praveen A 03 Mar '05

03 Mar '05

This was how RMS felt when he received in Delhi ---------------------- I arrived at Delhi at 3am on a flight that had been delayed by an hour and a half. I had expected to do a lot of work on the flight, but I was unexpectedly drowsy and nodded off for a few hours. When I arrived at the airport, the wait for passport control was only 20 minutes, and I spent part of the time explaining free software to another passenger who was curious about it. My bag was already in the carousel when I reached it, so I exited into the terminal and passed along the line of people holding up signs. None had my name on it. The person who was supposed to meet me was not there. Read Full http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/entry-20050222.html It is very disturbing to read it ... -- "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels." A proud GNU user http://www.gnu.org http://www.edathanattukara.com My Weblog at http://www.livejournal.com/users/pravi Visit me at http://www.pravi.tk Rediscover the web ! Get firefox at http://www.getfirefox.com Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

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First LTSP Setup in Atma Shree school
by Rakesh 'arky' Ambati 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

--- coverify(a)yahoo.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:54:12 -0800 (PST) > From: <coverify(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: LTSP Setup working > To: jj3kk(a)yahoo.com, Rakesh 'arky' Ambati > <rakesh_ambati(a)yahoo.com> > > Hi, > With help from Zabil, the LTSP setup is working > fine. > Currently we have 5 diskless clients and 4 legacy > windows mc. The windows mc have the option of > booting > from floppy and becoming LTSP clients. So in total > there are 9 clients. > > The only thing left is to make the cabling neater. > Expecting to be done by Friday. The only thing that > did not work was the scanner. I bought the Benq4300 > USB scanner but it does not work. On invoking "sane" > I > get device io error. > > Internet is not yet up as I am waiting for BSNL to > install the modem. We are getting a 256Kb broadband > for Rs500 per month.(DataOne scheme) > > The next focus is on what we would like to teach and > collecting the materials for it. I will be leaving > Blore on March 10th and so the coming weekend is the > last one I have. Please send me any useful links > (also > the one with the material Hearald has done). If > possible I would like to get together this coming > weekend to come with a syllabus for the school. > > Also can you forward this email to other linux users > in Blore. They are welcome to come to the school > anytime and also over the weekend to look at the > setup. They can call me at 9341455165 for > directions. > I think this is the first LTSP setup in Blore (I > love > to be wrong) and so a little bit of awareness would > help others. > > with regards > sanjeev > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn > more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > ===== ____________________________________ /\ \ \_| Rakesh 'arky' Ambati | | Bangalore (INDIA) | | Homepage: http://arky.port5.com/ | | _______________________________|_ \_/_________________________________/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Audio of RMS Talks
by Bharathi Subramanian 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

Hello All, In the last visit, RMS went different places in India and He covered different topics in his speech. I am planning to collect all of them in a CD. Presently I am having following audio tracks with me:- 1) Danger of Software Patents @ IIT Madras. 2) Free Software Movement @ REC Trichy (Thanks to Vijaykumar) If you have any audio track, Kindly send it to me in CD/Tape/WebLink. Bye :) -- Bharathi S

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Hello FLOSS!
by Ankit Malik 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

Hi I just joined in to the FSF mailing list and thought of introducing myself! I am Ankit from New Delhi in 10th Standard as on 1st March 2005 ;-) . I have been interested in Linux since 2 years and wud like to know more abt the underlining philosophy of FLOSS. Plus I wanna stay updated of the happenings @ FSF-India! I dont believe in reinventing the wheel. I also don't like making a new distro or something since there are way too many ;-) Personally I am attached to Ubuntu Linux! and of course all the free/libre and open software which help me in my tasks! I have also written one or two articles. Read them when you wanna feel asleep :D Here >http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/06/1557225&from=rss and i also maintain a blog http://scribbler.tk ! thought you wud be interested although i post only 3-4 times a week usually. I think that is it. [too much i know :D] Looking to hear more on FLOSS events/happenings/philosophy/advocacy Thanks for reading this! _____________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk

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Typos @ FSF India's Site
by Ankit Malik 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

Typos @ FSF India's Site http://www.fsf.org.in/contrib/contrib.html The Linux Command Dictinary -- Santhosh Thotingal -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk

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Reading the archives...
by Ankit Malik 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

Hi I was reading the archives and there were talks of FSF-India Awards to be implemented. So have they been implemented? If yes, can someone point me to the rules for submitting and what is required et al ? Thanks in advance. Another thing is it is possible right now for a CBSE affliated school to stick to FLOSS and still teach all the computers related subjects in 11th and 12th ??? -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk

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Can my article make it for FS Award Nomination
by Ankit Malik 01 Mar '05

01 Mar '05

I recently wrote an article for LFY and then also gave it to Newsforge with permissions from both the parties.. http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/06/1557225&from=rss Considering its license, is it eligible for an FS Award. [of course winning it is going too far fetched ;-) but can I make it to the eligible list ???] P.S. I regret not releasing it under Creative Commons or LGPL :( but its too late. For future articles, I am with CC ! -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk

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About the Free Software Directory
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

http://www.fsf.org/blogs/directory/entry-20050212.html One of our most important projects is the Free Software Directory. by Janet Casey To make a donation supporting the Free Software Directory and other FSF projects, please visit donate.fsf.org. The Free Software Directory is a project of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the United Nations Education, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO). It catalogs useful free software that runs under free operating systems, particularly the GNU operating system and its GNU/Linux variants. The Directory maintainer verifies the license for every package in the directory by opening each package and checking the license of each source code file. Almost 90% of the packages included are under the GPL or LGPL, but any package under a license we consider acceptably free (see this list), that runs on a free OS, and that does not depend on non-free software can be included. The Directory has grown enormously since its inception in late 1999. It now has almost 3,300 packages, each one individually checked as described above. The scope of the Directory has also broadened: the original template for a Directory entry had 30 possible fields; the current template has 47. Licensing issues with Qt and PHP4 have been resolved, so packages that use Qt or are written in PHP4 are now included. Originally, almost all packages had command line interfaces; now Web-based and GUI packages account for roughly a third of the Directory. The Directory accounts for between 40 and 45% of the traffic on the FSF's Web site; in a recent five day period, it had almost 2.5 million total hits. THE DIRECTORY IS AT: http://directory.fsf.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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The Free Software Foundation's Campaign for Free BIOS
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html Campaign for Free BIOS Chips and Motherboards that support LinuxBIOS The Free Software Foundation's Campaign for Free BIOS In 1984 the GNU Project set out to make it possible to operate a computer in freedom--to operate it without any non-free software that would deny the user's freedom At the time, the obstacle to this was simply the operating system. A computer won't run without an operating system, but all the modern operating systems of 1983 were proprietary, user-subjugating software. There was no way to use modern computers in freedom. We set out to change the situation by developing a free software operating system, called GNU. When the kernel Linux became free software in 1992, it filled the last gap in GNU. The combined GNU/Linux operating system achieved our goal: you could install it in a bare PC, and run the computer without any installed non-free software. Strictly speaking, there was a non-free program in that computer: the BIOS. But that was impossible to replace, and by the same token, it didn't count. The BIOS was impossible to replace because it was stored in ROM: the only way to to put in a different BIOS was by replacing part of the hardware. In effect, the BIOS was itself hardware--and therefore didn't really count as software. It was like the program that (we can suppose) exists in the computer that (we can suppose) runs your watch or your microwave oven: since you can't install software on it, it may as well be circuits, not a computer at all. The ethical issues of free software arise because users obtain programs and install them in computers; they don't really apply to hidden embedded computers, or the BIOS burned in a ROM, or the microcode inside a processor chip, or the firmware that is wired into a processor in an I/O device. In aspects that relate to their design, those things are software; but as regards copying and modification, they may as well be hardware. The BIOS in ROM was, indeed, not a problem. Since that time, the situation has changed. Today the BIOS is no longer burned in ROM; it is stored in nonvolatile writable memory that users can rewrite. Today the BIOS sits square on the edge of the line. It comes prewritten in our computers, and normally we never install another. So far, that is just barely enough to excuse treating it as hardware. But once in a while the manufacturer suggests installing another BIOS, which is available only as an executable. This, clearly, is installing a non-free program--it is just as bad as installing Microsoft Windows, or Adobe Photoshop, or Sun's Java Platform. As the unethical practice of installing another BIOS executable becomes common, the version delivered inside the computer starts to raise an ethical problem issue as well. The way to solve the problem is to run a free BIOS. And our community has developed free BIOSes--for instance, LinuxBIOS, which is a modified version of the kernel, Linux. However, few computers can run them. Whereas "PC clones" were and are quite similar, and fully-documented as regards what the kernel and user-space programs need to know, the commands that the BIOS must execute in order to initialize the machine are varied, and in most cases secret. How to install a new BIOS is also secret on many machines. And so far, most manufacturers have not given us the necessary cooperation of providing these specifications. Some desktop machines can run a free BIOS, but we don't know of any laptop that can do so. The FSF uses laptops donated by IBM over the past few years. This was one among several ways IBM cooperated with the GNU Project. But the cooperation is incomplete: when I asked for the specifications necessary to make LinuxBIOS run on these laptops, IBM refused--citing, as the reason, the enforcement of "trusted computing" http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html Treacherous computing is, itself, an attack on our freedom; it is also, it seems, a motivation to obstruct our freedom in other ways. Not all of our community perceives the non-free BIOS as an acute problem. Much of our community supports the open source philosophy, which says that the issue at stake is choosing a development model that produces powerful, reliable software. The open source philosophy doesn't say that "closed source" software is unethical, only that it is likely not to be as reliable. People who hold those views might care about the loss of freedom imposed by a non-free BIOS, because in their philosophy, freedom is not the issue. For us in the free software movement, freedom is the main issue; we have to solve this problem, whether they help or not. How You Can Help Since requests for manufacturers' cooperation have not solved the problem, another approach is needed. Now we are asking you to help. For instance, simply installing a new BIOS in the machine is a substantial challenge. Most manufacturers don't publish the information on how to do this. If you can figure this out for some recent model, especially a laptop, that would be a substantial contribution. Cooperation from the manufacturers would make that work unnecessary. However, to gain cooperation we need to press for it. The most uncooperative company is Intel, which has started a sham "open source" BIOS project. The software consists of all the unimportant parts of of a BIOS, without the hard parts. It won't run, and doesn't bring us any closer to a BIOS that does run. It is just a distraction. By contrast, AMD cooperates pretty well. You can help our campaign by buying AMD CPU chips and not buying Intel, and by publishing statements about what you're doing. Likewise, buy motherboards that support free BIOS. See http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html for information on which companies cooperate and which models and motherboards are supported. When you do this, tell your friends and your coworkers. And please tell us, too--please write to bios(a)gnu.org to tell us that you have chosen what to buy because it supports a free BIOS. You can also help our campaign by writing to manufacturers such as Intel, saying they ought to cooperate with a fully free BIOS. Calm but strong disapproval, coupled with stating an intention to take action accordingly, is more effective than venting rage. Please send a copy of your message to bios(a)gnu.org, so we can monitor the support for this campaign. The more mail they get, the more effect, so please do add your voice to ours. We would like to offer positive inducements as well as pressure. Our idea is to endorse, for a period of time, the first manufacturer in a given category of machine (for instance, laptops) that cooperates fully with free BIOS. To make this offer effective, we would like to collect a long list of people who say they intend to make their choices according to our endorsements. See http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html for how to add your name to this campaign. Once this campaign has built up strength, we will publicize offers of endorsements and begin inviting manufacturers to accept them. We will ask for your help at every step. Created by peterb Last modified 2005-02-28 10:27 AM FORWARDED VIA: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where the needs of the world and your talents cross, there lies your vocation. --Aristotle

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WordPerfect to Plain Text
by Ramanraj K 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

Is there a free software tool that converts WPF - WordPerfect document binaries into plain text? Thanks, Ramanraj.

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[Fwd: Re: [Ilugc] Theo de Raadt gets FSF Award]
by Ramanraj K 27 Feb '05

27 Feb '05

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Ilugc] Theo de Raadt gets FSF Award Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:54:00 +0530 (IST) From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <linux(a)frodo.hserus.net> To: topa_007(a)yahoo.com CC: LUG-C linux <ilugc(a)aero.iitm.ernet.in> References: <20050227162441.26866.qmail(a)web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > This years award commitee has two well known faces ( > e-mail handles actually :) from our very own ILUGC mailing list. > > srs : Suresh Ramasubramanian and FN : Frederick Noronha The third indian in that list is Raju Mathur, moderator of linux-india-* It should be fun seeing Theo and RMS together on the same stage :) -srs _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-request(a)ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc

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[Fwd: [Ilugc] Theo de Raadt gets FSF Award]
by Ramanraj K 27 Feb '05

27 Feb '05

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Ilugc] Theo de Raadt gets FSF Award Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:24:40 -0800 (PST) From: Toufeeq Hussain <topa_007(a)yahoo.com> Reply-To: topa_007(a)yahoo.com To: LUG-C linux <ilugc(a)aero.iitm.ernet.in> Hi, Slashdot News for those who might have missed it. Theo de Raadt, creator of OpenBSD and ex-NetBSD hacker has been bestowed the 2004 FSF Award.I know very less of Theo but his work towards OpenSSH and the fight against Wi-Fi Hardware Chipset Manufactures is well known in the FLOSS world. Congratulations to Theo. He joins the ranks of Alan Cox, Larry Wall and Guido van Rossum in the FSF Hall of Fame. This years award commitee has two well known faces ( e-mail handles actually :) from our very own ILUGC mailing list. srs : Suresh Ramasubramanian and FN : Frederick Noronha Good Choice Guys.Keep up the good work. :) Cheers, Toufeeq Hussain ===== ############################################ # mail me @ toufeeq at computer dot org # # running Debian Sarge \w 2.6.10-ck5 # ############################################ _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-request(a)ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc

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RMS Speech - reg
by Amachu 27 Feb '05

27 Feb '05

hi, it would be of great help if you could get me a copy of RMS speech... where shall i collect it? regards, Sri Ramadoss M, On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:33:26 -0800 (PST), fsf-friends-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in <fsf-friends-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in> wrote: > Send Fsf-friends mailing list submissions to > fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fsf-friends-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fsf-friends-owner(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fsf-friends digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. [Fwd: [meronidavide(a)libero.it: <nettime> A Call to Action in > OASIS]] (Ramanraj K) > 2. Dr.A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, President of India, Speaks on Open > Source Code Software (Venkat Kumaraswamy) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:22:51 +0530 > From: Ramanraj K <ramanraj.k(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Fsf-friends] [Fwd: [meronidavide(a)libero.it: <nettime> A > Call to Action in OASIS]] > To: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > Message-ID: <421F2DB3.1030807(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [meronidavide(a)libero.it: A Call to Action in OASIS] > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:36:23 +0100 > From: Holger Blasum <holgerlists(a)blasum.net> > To: us-parl(a)ffii.org > > ----- Forwarded message from DAVIDE MERONI ----- > > To: Nettime-l > From: DAVIDE MERONI > Subject: A Call to Action in OASIS > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:54:01 +0100 > Reply-To: DAVIDE MERONI > > A Call to Action in OASIS > > The free and open source software community has long demanded that > industry standards be freely available to all to implement without > patent or other licensing encumbrances. Open standards are essential for > free software and open source to thrive. > > Now OASIS, a major industry consortium that produces e-business and Web > services standards, has adopted a patent policy that threatens to > undermine our development and licensing model. This patent policy > (available, grouped together with other unrelated legal issues, in > http://www.oasis-open.org/who/intellectualproperty.php) permits > standards to be based upon so-called "reasonable and non-discriminatory" > patent license terms--terms which invariably and unreasonably > discriminate against open source and free software to the point of > prohibiting them entirely. It would lead to the adoption of standards > that cannot be implemented in open source and free software, that cannot > be distributed under our licenses. While the policy includes a provision > for royalty-free standards, it is a secondary option, which will have > little effect if a few OASIS members with patents can ensure it is not > used. The OASIS patent policy will encourage large patent holders to > negotiate private arrangements among themselves, locking out all free > software and open source developers. > > This is not a new issue for us. We fought hard for a royalty-free patent > policy in W3C and encouraged that standards organization to commit its > members to open standards. But some W3C member companies, steadfast > opponents of software freedom, moved their efforts to OASIS. Without > consulting the free software/open source community, they produced a > patent policy designed so that we cannot live with it. > > We ask you to stand with us in opposition to the OASIS patent policy. Do > not implement OASIS standards that aren't open. Demand that OASIS revise > its policies. If you are an OASIS member, do not participate in any > working group that allows encumbered standards that cannot be > implemented in open source and free software. > > Please send email to open(a)rosenlaw.com to indicate your support. We will > forward your comments to the proper authorities at OASIS. > > If we stand united in opposition to this unacceptable patent policy, we > can persuade OASIS to change it. > > /signed/ > Lawrence Rosen > Bruce Perens > Richard Stallman > Lawrence Lessig > Eben Moglen > Marten Mickos > John Weathersby > John Terpstra > Tim O'Reilly > Tony Stanco > Don Marti > Michael Tiemann > Andrew Aitken > Karen Copenhaver > Doug Levin > Dan Ravicher > Larry Augustin > Mitchell Kapor > Russell Nelson > Guido van Rossum > Daniel Quinlan > Murugan Pal > Stuart Cohen > Danese Cooper > Eric Raymond > Mark Webbink > Ken Coar > Doc Searls > Brian Behlendorf > > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission > # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: majordomo(a)bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime(a)bbs.thing.net > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Holger Blasum +49-174-7313590 http://demo.ffii.org/ > GnuPG 1024D/ACDFC3B769DC1ED66B47 No Software Patents > > _______________________________________________ > Us-parl mailing list > Us-parl(a)ffii.org > http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/us-parl > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:12:54 -0800 (PST) > From: Venkat Kumaraswamy <ellakannada(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [Fsf-friends] Dr.A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, President of India, > Speaks on Open Source Code Software > To: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > Message-ID: <20050225171254.52497.qmail(a)web51310.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > "In India, open source code software will have to come and stay in a big way for the benefit of our billion people." > -- Dr.A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, President of India, May 28, 2003 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > President ADDRESS AT THE JUDICIAL COLLOQUIUM ON SCIENCE, LAW AND ETHICS AT NATIONAL JUDICIAL ACADEMY, BHOPAL > 19-02-2005 : (Through Video Conference) From New Delhi > > Q.2 Computers and information technology have an important role in reducing the arrears in the courts as well as in helping in other areas. Broadly there are two kinds of software's to do that. Proprietary and Open Source. Which one is better? > > - Justice Yathindra Singh, Justice Allahabad High Court > > PRESIDENT Answer: > > First of all, I would like to clarify that the choice of proprietary vs. open software is driven by the usage and requirements of the user at the operating system level. > > Since, proprietary software is predominantly used at the client level; many users are familiar and comfortable with this. > > However, at the server level mature users choose the software as per their requirement. > > Open source operating system enables the development of language independent software's and also building one's own security algorithms to suit his requirement. > > Indian IT industry is capable of providing a solution for the justice delivery system and its e Governance to the justice administration on top of any proprietary or open source systems. > > What is important here is justice delivery system should be inter-operable system built on top of open standards such as web services. > > Q.3 In case in your opinion open source software is more secure, cheaper and better option or is as good as proprietary software, then > > a. Why all courses in computer science at school level teach only proprietary software? > > b. Why should almost all Govt office continue to have proprietary software > > c. Why should govt. despite saying that they do not have any preference continue to favour proprietary software? > > - Justice Yathindra Singh, Justice Allahabad High Court > > PRESIDENT Answer: > > This has already been answered above. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.From sbharathi(a)MidasComm.Com Sat Feb 26 10:10:08 2005 > Received: from [203.196.171.91] (helo=info.midascomm.com) > by cc4.tifr.res.in with smtp (Exim 4.34) > id 1D4tkN-0002Bw-6k > for Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:10:07 +0530 > Received: from bharathi.midascomm.com ([192.168.14.155]) > by info.midascomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q4Sucq028057 > for <Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in>; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:58:57 +0530 > Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:20:58 +0530 (IST) > From: Bharathi Subramanian <sbharathi(a)MidasComm.Com> > To: FSF-Friends India <Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0502261004210.29163-100000(a)bharathi.midascomm.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > X-midascomm.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact System Administrator > for more information > X-midascomm.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean > X-MailScanner-From: sbharathi(a)midascomm.com > Subject: [Fsf-friends] Audio of RMS Talks > X-BeenThere: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: Principal Support List of FSF-India <fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in> > List-Id: Principal Support List of FSF-India <fsf-friends.mm.gnu.org.in> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends>, > <mailto:fsf-friends-request@mm.gnu.org.in?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: </pipermail> > List-Post: <mailto:fsf-friends@mm.gnu.org.in> > List-Help: <mailto:fsf-friends-request@mm.gnu.org.in?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: <http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends>, > <mailto:fsf-friends-request@mm.gnu.org.in?subject=subscribe> > > Hello All, > > In the last visit, RMS went different places in India and He covered > different topics in his speech. I am planning to collect all of them > in a CD. > > Presently I am having following audio tracks with me:- > > 1) Danger of Software Patents @ IIT Madras. > 2) Free Software Movement @ REC Trichy (Thanks to Vijaykumar) > > If you have any audio track, Kindly send it to me in CD/Tape/WebLink. > > Bye :) > -- > Bharathi S > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fsf-friends mailing list > Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > > End of Fsf-friends Digest, Vol 22, Issue 28 > ******************************************* > -- Regards, Amachu Mobile: 98416 87639

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Science, law and ethics
by Ramanraj K 26 Feb '05

26 Feb '05

The text of the President of India's *Address at the Judicial Colloquium on Science, Law and Ethics at National Judicial Academy, Bhopal*, is available at: http://presidentofindia.nic.in/scripts/eventslatest1.jsp?id=830 The above also includes a "Question and Answer Session" touching upon free software.

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[Fsf-friends] [Fwd: [meronidavide@libero.it: <nettime> A Call to Action in OASIS]]
by Ramanraj K 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [meronidavide(a)libero.it: A Call to Action in OASIS] Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:36:23 +0100 From: Holger Blasum <holgerlists(a)blasum.net> To: us-parl(a)ffii.org ----- Forwarded message from DAVIDE MERONI ----- To: Nettime-l From: DAVIDE MERONI Subject: A Call to Action in OASIS Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:54:01 +0100 Reply-To: DAVIDE MERONI A Call to Action in OASIS The free and open source software community has long demanded that industry standards be freely available to all to implement without patent or other licensing encumbrances. Open standards are essential for free software and open source to thrive. Now OASIS, a major industry consortium that produces e-business and Web services standards, has adopted a patent policy that threatens to undermine our development and licensing model. This patent policy (available, grouped together with other unrelated legal issues, in http://www.oasis-open.org/who/intellectualproperty.php) permits standards to be based upon so-called "reasonable and non-discriminatory" patent license terms--terms which invariably and unreasonably discriminate against open source and free software to the point of prohibiting them entirely. It would lead to the adoption of standards that cannot be implemented in open source and free software, that cannot be distributed under our licenses. While the policy includes a provision for royalty-free standards, it is a secondary option, which will have little effect if a few OASIS members with patents can ensure it is not used. The OASIS patent policy will encourage large patent holders to negotiate private arrangements among themselves, locking out all free software and open source developers. This is not a new issue for us. We fought hard for a royalty-free patent policy in W3C and encouraged that standards organization to commit its members to open standards. But some W3C member companies, steadfast opponents of software freedom, moved their efforts to OASIS. Without consulting the free software/open source community, they produced a patent policy designed so that we cannot live with it. We ask you to stand with us in opposition to the OASIS patent policy. Do not implement OASIS standards that aren't open. Demand that OASIS revise its policies. If you are an OASIS member, do not participate in any working group that allows encumbered standards that cannot be implemented in open source and free software. Please send email to open(a)rosenlaw.com to indicate your support. We will forward your comments to the proper authorities at OASIS. If we stand united in opposition to this unacceptable patent policy, we can persuade OASIS to change it. /signed/ Lawrence Rosen Bruce Perens Richard Stallman Lawrence Lessig Eben Moglen Marten Mickos John Weathersby John Terpstra Tim O'Reilly Tony Stanco Don Marti Michael Tiemann Andrew Aitken Karen Copenhaver Doug Levin Dan Ravicher Larry Augustin Mitchell Kapor Russell Nelson Guido van Rossum Daniel Quinlan Murugan Pal Stuart Cohen Danese Cooper Eric Raymond Mark Webbink Ken Coar Doc Searls Brian Behlendorf # distributed via : no commercial use without permission # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo(a)bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime(a)bbs.thing.net ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Holger Blasum +49-174-7313590 http://demo.ffii.org/ GnuPG 1024D/ACDFC3B769DC1ED66B47 No Software Patents _______________________________________________ Us-parl mailing list Us-parl(a)ffii.org http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/us-parl

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Freesoftwaremagazine.com Issue 2 is out...
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

Issue 2 of Free Software Magazine is finally out! Download your PDF copy for free from http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com Contents... o EDITORIAL / Your part-time job The trials and tribulations of being a "computer person" o FOCUS / The history and future of SMTP by Kirk Strauser SMTP's adaptation to a hostile Internet o Filtering spam with postfix by Kirk Strauser Effective ways to reduce unwelcome mail o Mail servers: resolving the identity crisis by John Locke How to get Dspam, Postfix, and Procmail to play well together o TECH WORLD / Poking at ITunes by Chris J Karr A developer's guide to the iTunes platform o Why free IT management tools are gaining traction by Will Winkelstein Enterprises are increasingly receptive to free software alternatives for IT management. o CASE STUDY: Mythic Beasts By Tony Mobily A small company specialised in Linux servers and amazing support o Interview with Bernhard Reiter at aKademy by Tom Chance What we can do to promote the future of free software o Hard passwords made easy by John Locke Creating strong memorable passwords using mnemonic devices and word lists o WORD WORLD / The FUD-based Encyclopedia by Aaron Krowne Dismantling fear, uncertainity, and doubt, aimed at Wikipedia and other free knowledge resources. o Guerrilla marketing by Tom Chance Part one: promoting community projects in the marketplace o A law for free software by Maureen O'Sullivan Don't we have enough laws already? o The Libre Culture Manifesto by David M Berry, Giles Moss A manifesto for free/libre culture o Richard Stallman's blog by Richard Stallman Selected entries from Richard's blog (http://agia.fsf.org/rms-blog) from November 2004 to December 2004. 75 PGS * WORLD-CLASS PRINTING, GET-UP * A DOWNLOAD AWAY * unbelievable? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where the needs of the world and your talents cross, there lies your vocation. --Aristotle

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Re: Extramural Lecture by RMS @ IIT-Madras
by Bharathi Subramanian 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Bharathi Subramanian wrote: Hello All, > Topic : "The Danger of Software Patents" > Speaker: Richard M Stallman (RMS) > Time : 15:00 - 17:00 Mon Feb 7th 2005 Audio Files for the above Talk is avail in the ILUGC site: http://www.chennailug.org/meeting/info/TheDangerOfSWPatent1of2.ogg http://www.chennailug.org/meeting/info/TheDangerOfSWPatent2of2.ogg Note: Each file size ~= 8MB. Bye :) -- Bharathi S

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IOSN-CDAC Localisation How-To and Toolkit...
by Rajendra Prasad Murakonda 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

The near final version of the IOSN-CDAC L10N How-To and Toolkit is now available for a final round of comments and feedback. http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated/CD/ Plase go through it and give your feedback as soon as possible. Most probably, the guide will be licensed under "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0". Also can somebody throw me some light on the differences between GNU FDL and the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 ? Thanks & Regards, -- Rajendra Prasad Murakonda, ETU division, C-DAC Mumbai (erstWhile NCST). Off Phone : 91 22 27565303 extn : 302 Mobile(WLL) : 0 93235 83185 http://www.livejournal.com/~prodizy/

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Norms for software patents to be finalised
by CK Raju 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

>we need to find out how to submit guidelines. Should'we submit them >immediately to the concerned. whom to send the guidelines. >Nagarjuna http://rajyasabha.nic.in/legislative/amendbills/ personal_law/pressrelease_rightbill.htm I think we can incorporate our views here and have the same forwarded to watts(a)sansad.nic.in In the meantime someone can explore who is after the Patents exercise. CK Raju _____________________________________________________________ LinuxTimes.Net --> An Online Linux Magazine

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Free Software notes ... by Niklas Vainio (Finland)
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

http://hiisi.fi/blog/post/2005/02/18/linux-asia-2005/ 2005/2/18 Linux Asia 2005 Filed under: * Free Software -- Niklas Vainio @ 13:49 ... First day was on Linux on desktop and support. Professor Deepak Phatak gave some interesting figures. In India, there are 7 PCs per 1000 citizens, in China that is 37 per 1000. Average price of computer is now 30 000-40 000 Rs. First 500 million computers are in the developed world, the next 500 million should come from Asia and Africa. To make that possible, there should be more investments in India and the cost of computer, including software should drop to 1/4th of current, i.e. to 10 000 Rs. At the moment, India is a "net taker" in the open source movement, but in few years it should become a "net giver". Dr. Phatak is currently running a program to get computer science students involved in open source development. Matthew Szulik of Red Hat said basically that customers don't want operating systems, they want solutions and that Red Hat doesn't sell operating systems, it sells subscriptions. Ju"rgen Geck of Novell SUSE had an interesting parallel of the early history of automobile industry. Henry Ford didn't only invent the assembly line, he also created open standards - standard screws, bolts etc. Second day was about storage and high performance computing. I was getting flu and wasn't so interested in the topic so I skipped most of the day. Third day was the most interesting for me. Jitendra Shah spoke about his Janabhaaraati Live CD with localized software. He said a couple of things I hadn't thought about the use of IT in government offices. For government use, you need: Indian language support, office tools, printing, network, communication utilities, document management, search in Indian languages, name translitteration, GIS and low-cost support (can IBM/Red Hat/Novell do that?). The most interesting session was an ad-hoc session right after the official program about why Open Source still hasn't gotten off in India yet. This session had the most discussion and argumentation, about piracy vs. free software etc. Somebody from the audience criticized David Axmark (of MySQL) that it's easy for him to develop software and give it away since he's from a social democracy. On one hand it's very true that FLOSS has hidden assumptions on the background of the free software hacker. A large part of free software is software somebody wrote on their free time. Not everybody can afford that. On the other hand, freedom of the software is part of the strategy of MySQL - it wouldn't have become so great piece of software if it hasn't been free. Same applies to Linux, gcc, KDE, Firefox and many others. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where the needs of the world and your talents cross, there lies your vocation. --Aristotle

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Anti patents day for drugs
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

Shouldn't we be joining such initiatives? FN Vidyadhar Gadgil reminds us of a protest in Panjim to mark Anti-Patents Day for Drugs. The Indian Patent (Amendment) Bill is likely to be passed in the Parliament in March 2005. However, it is seen as draconian, since it would cause prices of essential medicines to go out of reach of common man. A Global Campaign has been launched around the world against this Indian Patent (Amendment) Bill. February 26, 2005 (Saturday) is going to be observed as the Anti Patents Day for Drugs. On this day, the world over, rallies, campaigns, etc., are being organized. Here, in Goa, a people�s protest rally has been organized by Positive People in Panjim on 26th February 2005 starting at the Panjim Church steps at 10.a.m. The rally will move through the city and culminate at Azad Maidan after which a delegation will be forwarding a memorandum to the Chief Minister of Goa. We call upon all of you to join us at the rally, and protest against the Patent Amendment Bill. Yours in Solidarity Positive People. Convener: Raj Vaidya Co-Conveners: Reggie Gomes & Cynthia Andrade ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://fn-floss.notlong.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where the needs of the world and your talents cross, there lies your vocation. --Aristotle

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Re: [Fsf-tn] Gnowsys, gnoware and gnowledge
by Ramanraj K 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

Nagarjuna G. wrote: >just wanted to make a minor correction in the account that gnoware is >different from GNOWSYS. you mentioned gnoware, where it should be >GNOWSYS. > Oops ;) Gnow these :) GNOWSYS is an acronym for Gnowledge Networking and Organizing SYStem and a pun on gnosis as well. http://www.gnowledge.org/GNOWSYS/Programs/Data/ObjectType/G/GNOWSYS/viewObj… GNOWARE is the name of a GNU/Linux distro ( www.gnoware.org ) GNOWLEDGE at http://web.gnowledge.org/ gives more info about the things to gnow. Part of the argument during our travel together, was that oop is not suitable for gnowledge like services. oop serves computer programs themselves well, but the same is not suitable for modeling the real world. An elaborate discussion about that is available at: http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm

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