Greetings,
2008/11/18 Nagarjuna G. nagarjun@gnowledge.org
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Vikram Vincent vincentvikram@gmail.com wrote:
2008/11/18 Arun M arun@gnu.org.in
<snip>FSF India was not part of the conference though some board members participated in the event. Our participation is no way an endorsement to the conference. FSF India do have its own stand on the conference. Please note that this has nothing to do with what happened.
Why is it that FSF-I has no public opinion about anything important? Chennai, Kochi, Bangalore... We want to know the reason for FSF-I not being a part of the conference. From the Vision of FSF-I http://www.gnu.org.in/why-we-exist the only
work of
FSF-I is to be a not-for-profit company with certain goals which are not mass movement oriented. This is not useful to the Free Software Movement which is a mass movement. Is FSF-I democratic in its constitution? Meaning, are the members elected
or
do company policies apply? If FSF-I continues in this manner then why do we need any FSF-I? We need
an
organisation which can guide this Movement and not simply to give verdict/blessings that "this/you is/are right", "that/you is/are
wrong",...
We want to know how FSF-I intends to proceed in the future. Does it plan
to
be a participant in the Movement? We want it to be democratic and representative of the Movement in all senses and not simply through talk.
A large set of questions, and each of them will be clarified.
Nagarjuna
Since almost a week has passed would this be an ok time for a friendly reminder? Kindly also address the following: When was the last time that FSF-I had an election to the committee? When does it plan to have the next elections? Which system of functioning does FSF-I follow since sister FSFs do not follow the same system...
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Vikram Vincent vincentvikram@gmail.comwrote:
Since almost a week has passed would this be an ok time for a friendly reminder?
Can Vikram also list out which work of yours towards attainment of the objectives of Free Software is impeded due to this so as to make this issue a generic one worthy for a public discussion ? If there are no such compelling reasons, then the question becomes frivolous. A state is needed only when a section of its constituents are threatened in their understanding and functioning towards common goals. Where goals are explicit, means are obvious, deviations are undesired and understood - then there is no need for a state - a minimal state is all what is needed.
CK Raju
On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008, CK Raju wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Vikram Vincent
vincentvikram@gmail.comwrote:
Since almost a week has passed would this be an ok time for a friendly reminder?
Can Vikram also list out which work of yours towards attainment of the objectives of Free Software is impeded due to this so as to make this issue a generic one worthy for a public discussion ? If there are no such compelling reasons, then the question becomes frivolous. A state is needed only when a section of its constituents are threatened in their understanding and functioning towards common goals. Where goals are explicit, means are obvious, deviations are undesired and understood - then there is no need for a state - a minimal state is all what is needed.
Without trying to devalue the contribution of FSFI and its current board in any way, I still agree with Vikram. Openness, transparency and democracy are three values that we can't do without in this community. Even if you act from the best of motives and do the best of work, you still leave yourself open to attack unless you adhere to these principles.
I for one would definitely like to see information about the organisation, its by-laws and office-bearers, cash flows and balance sheets, elections (or reason for lack of), etc. made available publicly, on a regular basis. If FSFI is a registered society (as I recall) this information has to be made available to the Registrar of Societies annually in any case.
Regards,
-- Raju
Dear All,
I for one would definitely like to see information about the organisation, its by-laws and office-bearers, cash flows and balance sheets, elections (or reason for lack of), etc. made available publicly, on a regular basis. If FSFI is a registered society (as I recall) this information has to be made available to the Registrar of Societies annually in any case.
It is a Section 25 company. Bylaw was online seems to have lost when some updation of site happened. Will be corrected.
See http://www.gnu.org.in/about-fsf-india/whos-who/ (Page needs a correction Anand Babu is also on the board of FSF India).
Other documents will also be put online. We are not finding a good office secretary and all of us are volunteering for FSF India.
I will try to spend some time after the FSFS conference.
with regards arun.
I think we are discussing what is going to be the formal aspects of the constitution of FSF-I, which I feel may (a) contribute no good and (b) disturb many here. May I request the office bearers and those interested to open a new list called fsf-office or fsf-bureau or fsf-election to discuss these issues. In my limited knowledge I have no example where activation of a formal mechanism has eventually led to anything substantial or worthwhile.
¡ ǝɹǝɥ ʇı ƃuıʌɐɥ uı ʇsǝʇoɹd ʇsǝƃuoɹʇs ʎɯ nɾɐɹ ʞɔ
˙pǝssǝɹpǝɹ sı ʇsǝʇoɹd ʎɯ llıʇ uʍop ǝpısdn ǝnuıʇuoɔ ll,ı puɐ
nɾɐɹ ʞɔ
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:48 PM, CK Raju ck.thrissur@gmail.com wrote:
˙pǝssǝɹpǝɹ sı ʇsǝʇoɹd ʎɯ llıʇ uʍop ǝpısdn ǝnuıʇuoɔ ll,ı puɐ
I too agree that it is really disturbing, i hope very soon this thread...
nɾɐɹ ʞɔ
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On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:48 PM, CK Raju ck.thrissur@gmail.com wrote:
˙pǝssǝɹpǝɹ sı ʇsǝʇoɹd ʎɯ llıʇ uʍop ǝpısdn ǝnuıʇuoɔ ll,ı puɐ
ɯoɔ˙ǝlʇıʇdılɟ//:dʇʇɥ ʎq pǝʇɹoddns sı ʇsǝʇoɹd ʎɯ --------- nɾɐɹ ʞɔ
˙ǝlqısuodsǝɹ plǝɥ ǝq oʇ ǝɹɐ suoıssnɔsıp-uoıʇɔǝlǝ pǝʇɐıʇıuı oɥʍ ǝsoɥʇ 'uıɐɹq ʎɯ uı ʇolɔ poolq oʇ ǝnp ǝıp ı ɟı
˙ʇsǝʇoɹd ʎɯ ɥʇıʍ ƃuınuıʇuoɔ
˙ʇsıl ʍǝu ɐ uǝʌıƃ ǝq ǝsɐǝld ʎɐɯ ʇı
˙ǝɹǝɥ ʍǝıʌɹnd ɟo ʇno sı uoıʇɐsıuɐƃɹo ı-ɟsɟ uo suoıssnɔsıp
˙"˙˙˙uo pǝsɐq 'sǝıʇıʌıʇɔɐ s,ɐıpuı-ɟsɟ ǝɥʇ ɟo pıɐ uı ˙˙˙˙ʇsıl uǝdo uɐ sı sıɥʇ" ʇno sǝʇɐʇs spuǝıɹɟ-ɟsɟ/oɟuıʇsıl/uɐɯlıɐɯ/uı˙ƃɹo˙nuƃ˙ɯɯ//:dʇʇɥ
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:23 AM, nɾɐɹ ʞɔ ck.thrissur@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:48 PM, CK Raju ck.thrissur@gmail.com wrote:
˙pǝssǝɹpǝɹ sı ʇsǝʇoɹd ʎɯ llıʇ uʍop ǝpısdn ǝnuıʇuoɔ ll,ı puɐ
ɯoɔ˙ǝlʇıʇdılɟ//:dʇʇɥ ʎq pǝʇɹoddns sı ʇsǝʇoɹd ʎɯ
nɾɐɹ ʞɔ
˙ǝlqısuodsǝɹ plǝɥ ǝq oʇ ǝɹɐ suoıssnɔsıp-uoıʇɔǝlǝ pǝʇɐıʇıuı oɥʍ ǝsoɥʇ 'uıɐɹq ʎɯ uı ʇolɔ poolq oʇ ǝnp ǝıp ı ɟı
˙ʇsǝʇoɹd ʎɯ ɥʇıʍ ƃuınuıʇuoɔ
˙ʇsıl ʍǝu ɐ uǝʌıƃ ǝq ǝsɐǝld ʎɐɯ ʇı
˙ǝɹǝɥ ʍǝıʌɹnd ɟo ʇno sı uoıʇɐsıuɐƃɹo ı-ɟsɟ uo suoıssnɔsıp
˙"˙˙˙uo pǝsɐq 'sǝıʇıʌıʇɔɐ s,ɐıpuı-ɟsɟ ǝɥʇ ɟo pıɐ uı ˙˙˙˙ʇsıl uǝdo uɐ sı sıɥʇ" ʇno sǝʇɐʇs spuǝıɹɟ-ɟsɟ/oɟuıʇsıl/uɐɯlıɐɯ/uı˙ƃɹo˙nuƃ˙ɯɯ//:dʇʇɥ
Hmmmmm -- you made me to tilt my laptop and read the content, I appreciate your innovative way of expressing your thoughts
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All the questions from all active free software volunteers for the best interest of the movement (especially the questions raised by Vikram) need to be clarified...Please ensure democratic functioning of the free software movement in India... I hope FSF-I responsibles would come up with the answers... No one can play hide and seek for a long time in such a movement...
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Vikram Vincent vincentvikram@gmail.comwrote:
Greetings,
2008/11/18 Nagarjuna G. nagarjun@gnowledge.org
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Vikram Vincent
vincentvikram@gmail.com wrote:
2008/11/18 Arun M arun@gnu.org.in
<snip>FSF India was not part of the conference though some board
members
participated in the event. Our participation is no way an endorsement to the conference. FSF India do have its own stand on the conference. Please note that this has nothing to do with what happened.
Why is it that FSF-I has no public opinion about anything important? Chennai, Kochi, Bangalore... We want to know the reason for FSF-I not being a part of the conference. From the Vision of FSF-I http://www.gnu.org.in/why-we-exist the only
work of
FSF-I is to be a not-for-profit company with certain goals which are not mass movement oriented. This is not useful to the Free Software Movement which is a mass movement. Is FSF-I democratic in its constitution? Meaning, are the members
elected or
do company policies apply? If FSF-I continues in this manner then why do we need any FSF-I? We need
an
organisation which can guide this Movement and not simply to give verdict/blessings that "this/you is/are right", "that/you is/are
wrong",...
We want to know how FSF-I intends to proceed in the future. Does it plan
to
be a participant in the Movement? We want it to be democratic and representative of the Movement in all senses and not simply through
talk.
A large set of questions, and each of them will be clarified.
Nagarjuna
Since almost a week has passed would this be an ok time for a friendly reminder? Kindly also address the following: When was the last time that FSF-I had an election to the committee? When does it plan to have the next elections? Which system of functioning does FSF-I follow since sister FSFs do not follow the same system...
-- Vikram Vincent +919448810822 http://swatantra.org/
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