6 Apr
2006
6 Apr
'06
1:41 a.m.
Ok I may disagree a little here, I do sincerely think fadia may not be foolish or dumb,
but his claim to faim may be a little too far fetched and he got more media attention then
he actually deserved.
he built a brand and now selling it, even it is more or less fake. But for a 16 year old,
that he was, it was/ is an achievement by his time, atleast we should appriciate that, but
nothing more, and the 16 year old, now 20 something, must realise that he has to grow and
be more than an ankle biter.
Same can I say about some other authors, though not as bad as fadia, who is very very
popular in the script kiddy/ haxor wannbe C/C++ student community, some one with a sir
name starting with a **K**, from Pune, author of a number of books on C/ C++ / C++
Projects and pointers and a lot many others. Except for maybe one books the rest need a
lot of improvements but he sells.
These people have skills, and should get the respect that is worth to them, but their
claim to fame is usually over hyped and more that they actually deserve. But still these
people deserver **some** respect and no more.
Sincerely
Ajay Pal Singh Atwal
Dept of CSE & IT
BBSBEC, Fatehgarh Sahib
Punjab, INDIA
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Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Ankit Fadia : The real picture
Ajay Pal Singh Atwal <ajaypal(a)bbsbec.org> writes:
Oh well, he is coming to my department in i guess a
week or so
and charging INR 250/- per seat (though I am not sure), I will
oh my gawd. Heh., not only is he dumb., he is making quite a good
business out of it too..
post back my response, its already too late to say no,
and
people are too eager to shell out money, but I will make sure a
spade is called a spade.
Pound him with questions.
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6 Apr
1:54 a.m.
New subject: Ankit Fadia : The real picture
--- Ajay Pal Singh Atwal <ajaypal(a)bbsbec.org> wrote:
Ok I may disagree a little here, I do sincerely
think fadia may not be foolish or dumb, but his
claim to faim may be a little too far fetched and he
got more media attention then he actually deserved.
Hi List,
[x-post from FSUG-Bangalore ML]
Here is another story from a student of BMS college in
Bangalore who recently had a similar event conducted
by A.Fadia.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
howdy guys,
thank you for starting this topic.As you know the same
seminar was held at
BMS college on tuesday this week!
thanks for breaking the silence since a lot of guys
here know that im from
bms and unfortunately a lot do also know that he was
in bmsce.
this was just his publicity stunt. since he's running
out of book
material!(ie: since he cant find anymore stuff to
strip off!) he decided to
pull a certification program and this is sort of a
campaign for it.
anyways let me get to some juice... a week back my hod
told me that he was
coming and i exclaimed back that he was a big
joke!...a lamer...and that the
first book was nothing but a rip off from GTMHH! but
since we did'nt invite
him and he invited himself with a fancy letter we had
to have him down.
whatever said...i was not keen on his arrival. on the
day of the seminar,
tuesday, i am asked to start with the introduction
speech for the
seminar...damn!..i was seriously hoping to escape but
being prez of the cse
dept thats not right is, it?
so we are sitting in the room back stage and ankit
arrives...he sat down
switches on his laptop, and goes through his stuff. a
reliance guy hands him
the mobile internet kit and begins to try and connect
online since he needs
it for his seminar. im jus watching.
problem begins. ankit is unable to configure the net
conn. he calls up
someone again from reliance... let me talk about the
conversation here. its
one way but you here the man speaking which is
essential enough for us!
"im unable to connect to the net"
"uh huh...ok... where is that...control panel?"
"wait a sec...let me reach there"
"ok now do i have to double click this?"
i had to excuse myself out... way too much to
handle.... i needed a smoke
and a laugh....
ultimately he was 30 min late... due to the complex,
intricate problems with
connecting to the world wide web and the crowd was
getting frantic, and
jittery
as one of you already pointed out- no code. none.
some of the essential demos you missed are!:
* using proxy's! (better kick yourself now)
* using anonymizer.com!
* forge an email (everyone got busy taking down notes
for the telnet cmd)
* using netbus (wow!)
i have no problems with the guy. my issue with him is
simple- if he tells me
he is a business man i ll shake his hand. congratulate
him in fact for
realizing such an obvious market which no one struck
before. but if he tells
me he is a hacker then thats crossing some line.
cheerio guys
nirmal thacker (yeah thats my surname!)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
7:42 a.m.
New subject: Ankit Fadia : The real picture
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 01:41 +0530, Ajay Pal Singh Atwal wrote:
Ok I may disagree a little here, I do sincerely think
fadia may not be foolish or dumb, but his claim to faim may be a little too far fetched
and he got more media attention then he actually deserved.
he built a brand and now selling it, even it is more or less fake. But for a 16 year old,
that he was, it was/ is an achievement by his time, atleast we should appriciate that, but
nothing more, and the 16 year old, now 20 something, must realise that he has to grow and
be more than an ankle biter.
A 16 year old getting a publisher like McMillan, with prose that had
childishness splaterred over it? Doesn't sound like merit to me. It is
more of a *jugad*.
Same can I say about some other authors, though not as bad as fadia, who is very very
popular in the script kiddy/ haxor wannbe C/C++ student community, some one with a sir
name starting with a **K**, from Pune, author of a number of books on C/ C++ / C++
Projects and pointers and a lot many others. Except for maybe one books the rest need a
lot of improvements but he sells.
Are you are talking of YP Kanetkar? Kantekar is based in Nagpur not in
Pune. AFAIK, though a bit showy Kanetkar knows his stuff. Many of my
friends have learnt C/C++ programming from him (personally), and they
are good programmers. We had his books in our syllabus in Engineering,
but I prefered K&R and Bjarne Stroustrup more (learn it from the horses
mouth).
These people have skills, and should get the respect that is worth to them, but their
claim to fame is usually over hyped and more that they actually deserve. But still these
people deserver **some** respect and no more.
Sure, marketeers and booksellers do tend to do this and ask the author
to do it too. Hell, it helps the book sell. But what matters more is not
the hype or the claim to fame -- there is nothing wrong in it. It is
whether the 'claim' is based on real knowledge and wisdom.
Regards,
ah
10:28 a.m.
New subject: Ankit Fadia : The real picture
Hi,
--- Ajay Pal Singh Atwal <ajaypal(a)bbsbec.org> wrote:
But for a 16 year old, that he was, it
was/ is an achievement by his time,
In India?
AFAIK 16-year old's in the US do real hacking and by
that age they are very competent with computers and
*nix.
atleast we
should appriciate that
He doesn't even know the difference between 'hacking'
and 'cracking', and you are saying its ok?
It is only in India that people get away by making
mistakes? That is a pity.
These people have skills, and should get the respect
/dev/null
SK
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10:52 a.m.
New subject: Ankit Fadia : The real picture
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 21:58 -0700, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
In India?
AFAIK 16-year old's in the US do real hacking and by
that age they are very competent with computers and
*nix.
And let us not forget that we have our own kids like Sarath Lakshman (no
longer a kid :-))
He doesn't even know the difference between
'hacking'
and 'cracking', and you are saying its ok?
I think that is okay, especially for a guy who has had only Windoze for
his diet.
It is only in India that people get away by making
mistakes? That is a pity.
People do make mistakes. The problem comes when they refuse to recognise
their mistakes.
In this case, I think, the crime was committed not by the kid, but by
the community that made him a celebrity. This community could include
his parents, relatives, teachers and friends. Once a celebrity, it is
only human to try and cling to it. I actually sympathise with the guy.
Interestingly, there are other such young young guys who are being made
out to be geniuses. Their lives are just wasted. This is a tragedy.
Best
--
V. Sasi Kumar <sasi.fsf(a)gmail.com>
Free Software Foundation of India
1:06 p.m.
New subject: Ankit Fadia : The real picture
*Chop*
In this case, I think, the crime was committed not by
the kid, but by
the community that made him a celebrity. This community could include
his parents, relatives, teachers and friends. Once a celebrity, it is
only human to try and cling to it. I actually sympathise with the guy.
Interestingly, there are other such young young guys who are being made
out to be geniuses. Their lives are just wasted. This is a tragedy.
How can you blame the community/population? Blaming the media who
publish without enough knowledge is justifiable. But more than that,
blaming the individual who "prefers" to be cut from reality is always a
better solution.
Regards,
ah
1:38 p.m.
New subject: Ankit Fadia : The real picture
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 13:06 +0530, Amol Hatwar wrote:
*Chop*
It often happens that, when a child does something unusual, he is hailed
as a genius and exhibited around by parents, friends, relatives,
teachers, etc. There may be a bit of truth in what they claim, but the
important point is that it is a bit. With parents who are influential or
are very wealthy, they make use of their connections and their resources
to promote this 'genius'. Not that this happens always, or succeeds
always either. Sometimes it does. For a child in school, he cannot come
out of the hyperbole and look carefully at his achievements. He gets
carried away. And there starts the tragedy. Because, the child
apparently had some talent, but he is not given a chance to test it
against others of equal or better talent, and begins to genuinely think
that he is somebody special. He stops growing, and continues living in
an imaginary world where he is an Einstein, Eisenstein, Russell, Gandhi,
RMS, whatever.
I know of at least one similar case here -- a young chap who has
published a book on philosophy. He is in his early twenties. Nothing
wrong with that. But I happened to read a few pages of the book.
Apparently, he has read some books and has some awareness of some
philosophical ideas. But that is about all. His ideas are pretty naive
and very immature. The book got published only because his parents, who
are quite influential people, took the initiative. He is now a celebrity
and drives around in a Fiesta (or some such thing). His life is now a
struggle between acting as an intellectual, and blaming those who
criticise him. He is a goner. A life that could potentially have been
much more happy and successful.
Best
--
V. Sasi Kumar <sasi.fsf(a)gmail.com>
Free Software Foundation of India
In this case, I think, the crime was committed
not by the kid, but by
the community that made him a celebrity. This community could include
his parents, relatives, teachers and friends. Once a celebrity, it is
only human to try and cling to it. I actually sympathise with the guy.
Interestingly, there are other such young young guys who are being made
out to be geniuses. Their lives are just wasted. This is a tragedy.
How can you blame the community/population? Blaming the media who
publish without enough knowledge is justifiable. But more than that,
blaming the individual who "prefers" to be cut from reality is always a
better solution. 
2:57 p.m.
New subject: Ankit Fadia : The real picture
V. Sasi Kumar wrote:
...
struggle between acting as an intellectual, and blaming those who
criticise him. He is a goner. A life that could potentially have been
much more happy and successful.
very well said. I first saw Mr.Fadia's documents on the Internet some
three to four years back. If he had really used his brains., he would
have been a proper security expert by now. But., since he is caught up
in his own world-of-fame., he is just the same. And., sooner or later he
is going to realize it.
But what bothers me is that there are tonnes of students out there who
lack guidance, who are looking for role models like Mr.Fadia., and
getting into this line. We lose a lot of potential resources there.
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4:10 p.m.
New subject: Ankit Fadia : The real picture
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 14:57 +0530, Joe Steeve wrote:
But what bothers me is that there are tonnes of
students out there who
lack guidance, who are looking for role models like Mr.Fadia., and
getting into this line. We lose a lot of potential resources there.
Very true. People have to do, at least once in a while, a reality check.
Again, unfortunately, our society is still only learning to recognise
quality, especially in modern technology and science. I feel that this
is only a growing up problem, for the society. Indian people have
produced some fantastic pieces of work in older ages, so we do have the
capacity to recognise a great piece of work when it is in a field about
which our society has some knowledge. Since only a small fraction of our
people still know something about computers and programming, anyone who
wants to make a show of his 'talents' can get away with it. The tragedy
is when the guy/gal really believes that he is exceptional, especially
when (s)he really has some talent.
Best
--
V. Sasi Kumar <sasi.fsf(a)gmail.com>
Free Software Foundation of India
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