18 Apr
2008
18 Apr
'08
5:57 a.m.
Dear RMS,
I think its futile to chase ISO anymore. We would only land up
spending our own creative energy which we can't afford to at this
pace.
" * Market-driven
ISO only develops standards for which there is a market requirement.
The work is mainly carried out by experts from the industrial,
technical and business sectors which have asked for the standards, and
which subsequently put them to use." .. in their own words at
http://www.iso.org/iso/about/discover-iso_the-iso-brand.htm
Why should Free Software Foundation and other like minded
organisations allow ISO to take over software standards and make it -
only *market-driven* one ?
Its not difficult to realise that the *very conditions* that
necessitated a Standards Organisation to be promoted, are now
prevalent and omnipresent.
Why not create another organisation that develops standards for the
common world citizens to communicate with freedom ?
Shouldn't we ask ourselves now about this, and try to define the
*framework* that would set in motion a new organisation which would be
able to come out with Free/Open Standards after *defining* them in as
unambigous terms as possible ?
CK Raju,
MES College of Engineering, Kuttippuram
Kerala,
India
18 Apr
18 Apr
7:20 a.m.
hello Mr. raju.
perfect suggestion well said.
in the first place why should free standards be slaves of any
standard's organisation which has a reputation of creating standards
for *purely business*.
how does ISO declaring a certain thing as standards relate to freedom.
afterall a complete free standard (as in freedom ) must not come from
just an organisation but community. and we need to create some kind
of a system where such a community driven infrastructure can be put in
place.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 18/04/2008, CK Raju, Thrissur <ck.thrissur(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dear RMS,
I think its futile to chase ISO anymore. We would only land up
spending our own creative energy which we can't afford to at this
pace.
" * Market-driven
ISO only develops standards for which there is a market requirement.
The work is mainly carried out by experts from the industrial,
technical and business sectors which have asked for the standards, and
which subsequently put them to use." .. in their own words at
http://www.iso.org/iso/about/discover-iso_the-iso-brand.htm
Why should Free Software Foundation and other like minded
organisations allow ISO to take over software standards and make it -
only *market-driven* one ?
Its not difficult to realise that the *very conditions* that
necessitated a Standards Organisation to be promoted, are now
prevalent and omnipresent.
Why not create another organisation that develops standards for the
common world citizens to communicate with freedom ?
Shouldn't we ask ourselves now about this, and try to define the
*framework* that would set in motion a new organisation which would be
able to come out with Free/Open Standards after *defining* them in as
unambigous terms as possible ?
CK Raju,
MES College of Engineering, Kuttippuram
Kerala,
India
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7:27 a.m.
On 4/18/08, CK Raju, Thrissur <ck.thrissur(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Why not create another organisation that develops
standards for the
common world citizens to communicate with freedom ?
Shouldn't we ask ourselves now about this, and try to define the
*framework* that would set in motion a new organisation which would be
able to come out with Free/Open Standards after *defining* them in as
unambigous terms as possible ?
Can FreedDesktop.org expand it's scope to fill in this GAP?
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3:58 p.m.
Hello Friends/Community,
Well what i felt like after reading this letter is "hey i dont like to be
part of this group, i will start another group". I dont think it is a good
idea to start a group for each purpose if one group can serve the purpose.
ISO is a standards organization and be it for business or anything, it
shouldn't have made such a mistake. And even if it has made a mistake, as a
member of the community i think it is our duty to correct it. ISO standards
are followed everywhere and our aim is to spread Free Software, people
should be Free and how can we keep quiet on seeing such a mistake where
people can be misled. Our aim is not to create double standards, and
creating another group/standard is equivalent to that.
We fight to get justice, people cannot be misled by a mistake caused by an
Organization. If it is not us, then who will do it?
Please see http://fsfeurope.org/documents/msooxml-questions.pdf
Find mail from ck.thrissur(a)gmail.com below:
Anoop Jacob Thomas
Trivandrum, Kerala (www.ilug-tvm.org)
*On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:27 AM, CK Raju, Thrissur <ck.thrissur(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
*
*Dear RMS,
I think its futile to chase ISO anymore. We would only land up
spending our own creative energy which we can't afford to at this
pace.
" * Market-driven
ISO only develops standards for which there is a market requirement.
The work is mainly carried out by experts from the industrial,
technical and business sectors which have asked for the standards, and
which subsequently put them to use." .. in their own words at
http://www.iso.org/iso/about/discover-iso_the-iso-brand.htm
Why should Free Software Foundation and other like minded
organisations allow ISO to take over software standards and make it -
only *market-driven* one ?
Its not difficult to realise that the *very conditions* that
necessitated a Standards Organisation to be promoted, are now
prevalent and omnipresent.
Why not create another organisation that develops standards for the
common world citizens to communicate with freedom ?
Shouldn't we ask ourselves now about this, and try to define the
*framework* that would set in motion a new organisation which would be
able to come out with Free/Open Standards after *defining* them in as
unambigous terms as possible ?
CK Raju,
MES College of Engineering, Kuttippuram
Kerala,
India
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4:18 p.m.
hi anoop.
I do respect your feelings and passion about the issue and freedom in general.
while it is true idealy, but what you propose is not really practical
because there are some issues which can't be discussed on the mailing
list and we all know about those underhand money tactics which all
companies play to get ISO standard.
secondly ISO is about standards and not necessarily about "open "
standards. if it believes for example, that ooxml is a standard it
could be due to many reasons on and off the table.
the idea was not about "double " standards as you said, it is about a
community platform to approve open standards purely ment for freedom
of common man.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 18/04/2008, Anoop Jacob Thomas <anoopjt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Friends/Community,
Well what i felt like after reading this letter is "hey i dont like to be
part of this group, i will start another group". I dont think it is a good
idea to start a group for each purpose if one group can serve the purpose.
ISO is a standards organization and be it for business or anything, it
shouldn't have made such a mistake. And even if it has made a mistake, as a
member of the community i think it is our duty to correct it. ISO standards
are followed everywhere and our aim is to spread Free Software, people
should be Free and how can we keep quiet on seeing such a mistake where
people can be misled. Our aim is not to create double standards, and
creating another group/standard is equivalent to that.
We fight to get justice, people cannot be misled by a mistake caused by an
Organization. If it is not us, then who will do it?
Please see http://fsfeurope.org/documents/msooxml-questions.pdf
Find mail from ck.thrissur(a)gmail.com below:
Anoop Jacob Thomas
Trivandrum, Kerala (www.ilug-tvm.org)
*On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:27 AM, CK Raju, Thrissur <ck.thrissur(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
*
*Dear RMS,
I think its futile to chase ISO anymore. We would only land up
spending our own creative energy which we can't afford to at this
pace.
" * Market-driven
ISO only develops standards for which there is a market requirement.
The work is mainly carried out by experts from the industrial,
technical and business sectors which have asked for the standards, and
which subsequently put them to use." .. in their own words at
http://www.iso.org/iso/about/discover-iso_the-iso-brand.htm
Why should Free Software Foundation and other like minded
organisations allow ISO to take over software standards and make it -
only *market-driven* one ?
Its not difficult to realise that the *very conditions* that
necessitated a Standards Organisation to be promoted, are now
prevalent and omnipresent.
Why not create another organisation that develops standards for the
common world citizens to communicate with freedom ?
Shouldn't we ask ourselves now about this, and try to define the
*framework* that would set in motion a new organisation which would be
able to come out with Free/Open Standards after *defining* them in as
unambigous terms as possible ?
CK Raju,
MES College of Engineering, Kuttippuram
Kerala,
India
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19 Apr
19 Apr
4:20 a.m.
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Richard Stallman <rms(a)gnu.org> wrote:
I don't think our community has the strength to
define standards on
our own.
Why should we insist that a community should have the strength first
to initiate this process, let's accept ourselves as weak, and set off.
Experts could start with certain "community standards" for software,
have a procedure for standards to arrive and be there (if need be, for
phasing out, as well).
We could even accept certain ISO standards, if they fall within the
scope of our definition.
Isolated FSUGs around the globe could do wonders here.
Independant activists like me could then wait for the next horror to
be analysed.
CK Raju
Thrissur
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