7 Jul
2009
7 Jul
'09
1:48 p.m.
Hi,
Can someone point me to a comprehensive collection of materials used for
training in Free Software in schools in Kerala? Any and all of these
would be appreciated:
- Teachers' training material
- Teachers' training curricula and time frames
- Ditto for the Train the Trainers programme
- School curricula on and using FS
- Accompanying textbooks, training guides, etc.
Anything else that is available apart from this would be great.
Thanks,
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7 Jul
7 Jul
11:23 p.m.
Dear Raju,
- Teachers' training material
- Teacher's hand book is available.
- Teachers' training curricula and time frames
- Ditto for the Train the Trainers programme
There is no formal curriculum or book.
We conducted several different kinds of workshops.
- Introduction based on School textbook and teachers's handbook
- Installation and Troubleshooting
- Setting up school network
- Training on software for IT enabled education.
- School curricula on and using FS
- Available from school stores.
- Accompanying textbooks, training guides, etc.
- Available from school stores.
Anything else that is available apart from this would
be great.
Some experienced trainers ;)
If some one needs text book it is good time to get hold of that.
Schools just started and books are being distributed.
Teachers hand book I am not sure if we can get copies.
BTW, we recently started an effort to create a new curriculum. Lost momentum
in between. If there is interest we can share some thoughts. We can improve
on IT@School (Kerala).
regards
arun
8 Jul
8 Jul
6:41 a.m.
OK, I was under the impression that these materials were available under
a FOSS-friendly licence for download, use and adaptation for other
environments.
On Tuesday 07 Jul 2009, Arun M wrote:
Links to whatever materials you developed/used would be useful.
No soft copies available?
Soft copies?
Sure, we can work together, but there are immediate problems to be
solved too, looking at those at the moment.
Regards,
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Dear Raju,
Link please.
- Teachers' training material
- Teacher's hand book is available. - Teachers' training curricula and time
frames
- Ditto for the Train the Trainers programme
There is no formal curriculum or book.
We conducted several different kinds of workshops.
- Introduction based on School textbook and teachers's handbook
- Installation and Troubleshooting
- Setting up school network
- Training on software for IT enabled education. - School
curricula on and using FS
- Available from school stores. - Accompanying
textbooks, training guides, etc.
- Available from school stores. Anything else
that is available apart from this would be great.
Some experienced trainers ;)
If some one needs text book it is good time to get hold of that.
Schools just started and books are being distributed.
Teachers hand book I am not sure if we can get copies.
BTW, we recently started an effort to create a new curriculum. Lost
momentum in between. If there is interest we can share some thoughts.
We can improve on IT@School (Kerala).
8:53 a.m.
- School curricula on and using FS
- Available from school stores. BTW, we
recently started an effort to create a new curriculum. Lost
momentum in between. If there is interest we can share some thoughts.
We can improve on IT@School (Kerala).
Sure, we can work together, but there are immediate problems to be
solved too, looking at those at the moment. 
9:36 a.m.
>> > - School curricula on and using FS
Raj,
I think there would be problem if you chose to adopt or recommend the
*mode of educating* Free Software in Kerala. Nothing that I know here
uses the opportunity to equip student community to get introduced to
Free Software through its different Freedoms other than *Freedom Level
0*.
This is a fine trap that Kerala's IT@School project is led into, as of
now, because all these learning exercises can be replaced by Freewares
or Sharewares or other subsidised Proprietary software.
If these concerns are unfounded, can they be substantiated with
evidence ? Guess Arun or Vimal may be able to clarify.
CK Raju
Kharagpur
10:08 a.m.
It is not that text book/curriculum doesnt talk abt other freedoms.
But effective communication is not happening at school level on
ideological aspects of free software.
There is scope for improvement. It would be good some one
can design interesting activities for children which effectively
communicate the different freedoms to children. Any way
it is not an easy task to ensure that majority of 60,000 teachers
effectively use it.
regards
arun.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM, ck raju<ck.thrissur(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > -
School curricula on and using FS
Raj,
I think there would be problem if you chose to adopt or recommend the
*mode of educating* Free Software in Kerala. Nothing that I know here
uses the opportunity to equip student community to get introduced to
Free Software through its different Freedoms other than *Freedom Level
0*.
This is a fine trap that Kerala's IT@School project is led into, as of
now, because all these learning exercises can be replaced by Freewares
or Sharewares or other subsidised Proprietary software.
If these concerns are unfounded, can they be substantiated with
evidence ? Guess Arun or Vimal may be able to clarify.
CK Raju
Kharagpur
11:29 a.m.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Arun M<arun(a)gnu.org.in> wrote:
It is not that text book/curriculum doesnt talk abt
other freedoms.
But effective communication is not happening at school level on
ideological aspects of free software.
There is scope for improvement. It would be good some one
can design interesting activities for children which effectively
communicate the different freedoms to children. Any way
it is not an easy task to ensure that majority of 60,000 teachers
effectively use it.
The IT@School project currently equips a student community to
*use*
Free Software under its IT-enabled curriculum. This amounts to
exploiting Freedom Level 0 only. Limiting an education curriculum to
this level is highly inadequate to prevent its retrograde movement
back to proprietary software at a later stage.
However, incorporating exercises in the curriculum that must need the
other existing levels of Freedoms for its implementation, calls for a
different kind of orientation that must be imparted to teachers of
varying disciplines. An education curriculum developed this way can
never change its direction at a later stage. It should only be after
such a loophole-plugged curriculum, that one can convincingly say that
a student community is being *equipped* with the ideals of Free
Software.
Regarding the modalities on the implementation of a system that
exploits all the existing levels of Freedoms may not be as arduous or
tough as is thought out to be. Teachers of our public education system
have an astonishingly high acumen in coming out with exercises from
their own disciplines. Perhaps, all that they need, may be an
invitation !!!
CK Raju
14 Oct
14 Oct
10 a.m.
On Wednesday 08 July 2009, Arun M wrote:
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It is not that text book/curriculum doesnt talk abt
other freedoms.
But effective communication is not happening at school level on
ideological aspects of free software.
There is scope for improvement. It would be good some one
can design interesting activities for children which effectively
communicate the different freedoms to children. Any way
Dear Arun.
What we did in Italy (just for a blender course) was teaching the students to
build a film you can find here:
/docs.hipatia.net/films/blender_deu/michele_piccolo.mpg
unfortunately is in Italian (i can do the subtitles) but as you can see the
child learned to do the film , and at the same time about freedom, as you see
the guy (michele) is going outside the screen searching freedom.
I think this aproach was very good for us. The group become freedom-fighter :)
warm regards
juan
it is not an easy task to ensure that majority of
60,000 teachers
effectively use it.
regards
arun.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM, ck raju<ck.thrissur(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > - School curricula on and using FS
>
> Raj,
> I think there would be problem if you chose to adopt or recommend the
> *mode of educating* Free Software in Kerala. Nothing that I know here
> uses the opportunity to equip student community to get introduced to
> Free Software through its different Freedoms other than *Freedom Level
> 0*.
>
> This is a fine trap that Kerala's IT@School project is led into, as of
> now, because all these learning exercises can be replaced by Freewares
> or Sharewares or other subsidised Proprietary software.
>
If these
concerns are unfounded, can they be substantiated with
evidence ? Guess Arun or Vimal may be able to clarify.
CK Raju
Kharagpur
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11:37 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Juan Carlos Gentile Fagundez
<jucar(a)hipatia.net> wrote:
Dear Arun.
What we did in Italy (just for a blender course) was teaching the students to
build a film you can find here:
/docs.hipatia.net/films/blender_deu/michele_piccolo.mpg
unfortunately is in Italian (i can do the subtitles) but as you can see the
child learned to do the film , and at the same time about freedom, as you see
the guy (michele) is going outside the screen searching freedom.
http://docs.hipatia.net/films/blender_edu/michele_piccolo.mpg
Thanks Juan.
CK Raju
12:42 p.m.
Juan,
One should think of an experiment or exercise which makes use of the
other levels of freedom thereby making it impossible for a non free
environment to replicate. Replication should then get entangled in
their non free preventive licences. In this example, it is possible to
introduce a learner to make a movie and edit its contents using non
free software.
On 10/14/09, Juan Carlos Gentile Fagundez <jucar(a)hipatia.net> wrote:
On Wednesday 08 July 2009, Arun M wrote:
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CK Raju
It is not that text book/curriculum doesnt talk
abt other freedoms.
But effective communication is not happening at school level on
ideological aspects of free software.
There is scope for improvement. It would be good some one
can design interesting activities for children which effectively
communicate the different freedoms to children. Any way
Dear Arun.
What we did in Italy (just for a blender course) was teaching the students
to
build a film you can find here:
/docs.hipatia.net/films/blender_deu/michele_piccolo.mpg
unfortunately is in Italian (i can do the subtitles) but as you can see the
child learned to do the film , and at the same time about freedom, as you
see
the guy (michele) is going outside the screen searching freedom.
I think this aproach was very good for us. The group become freedom-fighter
:)
warm regards
juan
it is not an easy task to ensure that majority of
60,000 teachers
effectively use it.
regards
arun.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM, ck raju<ck.thrissur(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > - School curricula on and using FS
>
> Raj,
> I think there would be problem if you chose to adopt or recommend the
> *mode of educating* Free Software in Kerala. Nothing that I know here
> uses the opportunity to equip student community to get introduced to
> Free Software through its different Freedoms other than *Freedom Level
> 0*.
>
> This is a fine trap that Kerala's IT@School project is led into, as of
> now, because all these learning exercises can be replaced by Freewares
> or Sharewares or other subsidised Proprietary software.
>
If these
concerns are unfounded, can they be substantiated with
evidence ? Guess Arun or Vimal may be able to clarify.
CK Raju
Kharagpur
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8 Jul
8 Jul
5:21 p.m.
On Wednesday 08 Jul 2009, ck raju wrote:
Without getting into the details of whether the Kerala experiment is a
total, partial or not at all a success from a free software point of
view, all I wanted was soft copies of existing work that can be used for
schools, for teachers and for train the trainers programmes under an
open licence. If there are lacunae in the courseware we're quite open
to filling them. However, without those basic tools the whole
discussion is meaningless for me, at least from the specific requirement
with which I approached the list -- all it means is that we need a new
team to develop everything from scratch. Something someone said at the
recent FOSSCOMM meeting in Delhi led me to understand that all the
course (at all 3 levels) was available for download under an open
licence.
Regards,
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>> > -
School curricula on and using FS
Raj,
I think there would be problem if you chose to adopt or recommend the
*mode of educating* Free Software in Kerala. Nothing that I know here
uses the opportunity to equip student community to get introduced to
Free Software through its different Freedoms other than *Freedom
Level 0*. 
11:58 p.m.
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 17:21 +0530, Raj Mathur wrote:
Without getting into the details of whether the Kerala
experiment is a
total, partial or not at all a success from a free software point of
view, all I wanted was soft copies of existing work that can be used for
schools, for teachers and for train the trainers programmes under an
open licence. If there are lacunae in the courseware we're quite open
to filling them. However, without those basic tools the whole
discussion is meaningless for me, at least from the specific requirement
with which I approached the list -- all it means is that we need a new
team to develop everything from scratch.
The IT textbooks for classes 8, 9, and 10 are available in English and
the last one is available for download too. The teachers handbook is
also available in English, I think. But all are available only as hard
copies. If you can make do with them, it may be possible to arrange to
get them for you. As for the content, I think the 10th class textbook
has the best design. Though the licence is not printed, I am pretty sure
that no one is going to be concerned if you copy and use the material.
Something someone said at the
recent FOSSCOMM meeting in Delhi led me to understand that all the
course (at all 3 levels) was available for download under an open
licence.
Yes, I too was surprised to hear that. But since I have not been
involved in the textbook writing process for a few years, I thought that
he may have more recent information.
Best
--
V. Sasi Kumar
Free Software Foundation of India
Please visit http://swatantryam.blogspot.com
5:34 p.m.
On Wednesday 08 Jul 2009, ck raju wrote:
[snip]
This is a fine trap that Kerala's IT@School project is led into, as
of now, because all these learning exercises can be replaced by
Freewares or Sharewares or other subsidised Proprietary software.
To take a completely heretical position, I'd rather have my child taught
how to make a good-looking, readable document using MS Word than being
taught the insides-out of OOo and still not being able to make a decent
document.
OK, standing up against the wall to be shot now :)
Regards,
-- Raju
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6:13 p.m.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Raj Mathur<raju(a)linux-delhi.org> wrote:
taught the insides-out of OOo and still not being able
to make a decent
"..Though Stallman didn't give a traditional reason for this, didn't
ground his position in any particular philosophical or ethical theory,
he was in fact a Dewey-ite. He was in fact saying what John Dewey had
said at the beginning of the 20th Century, that the education and
expansion of the human mind depends upon the opportunity to experiment
with the world. That it is the ability to join forces with the
material and immaterial knowledge surrounding us in the planet which
makes our minds grow and develop..."
http://ia331420.us.archive.org/1/items/EbenMoglenLectureEdinburghJune2007te…
The opportunity to *experiment* with Free Software necessarily means
using all its freedoms - to escape from accusation of merely "using"
it. There may be plenty of areas like soliciting students to
contribute to the graphics contents or to the localisation efforts, in
the beginning and substantial hacks towards the end - most of which
cannot be undertaken with non-free software and finally distributing
or publishing them under GPL. Once teachers are exposed to these
possibilities, they may be able to solicit opinions from their own
student communities and come out with better findings.
[Neither Bengal's cops nor Chidambaram's cops are around to shoot
you... breathe easy.. you don't look like a Chinese - ..aoist]
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