On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:48 AM, കേരളീയന് भारतीयन keraleean@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/5 Anivar Aravind anivar.aravind@gmail.com
Also you already raised that CPIM is more concerned about Free Software than FSM, If this is true I request you to Organise newly Trained DYFI cadre & CPIM people to Mobilise a Protest against M$ promoting initiatives like Kerala Taxes
Definitely, I hope it will be done. The responsible persons will definitely do it, not me. Please be cooperate with them.
Please Post the info & details if you are doing a protest and Ask your Leaders to make it inclusive. Free Software Communities in Kerala will support for any protest against against These kind of Proprietary initiatives. Also we can Offer help in Drafting the technical arguments. Posting the details in Local User group is enough. I am ccing FSUG-TVM List. It will be good if you can share the details of "responsible people" we can contact.
Anivar
Anivar
Anivar,
I do not have any leader. I do not subscribe the idea of individuals having some leaders. Leaders can be there for an organisation, or for a movement.
Do not play with the content of the mail I sent. I have commented separately on organising the newly trained people and on type of activities they have to carry out. You have manipulated it in your reply to mis-guide a new reader of this thread, as if I have only one comment for both cases. I have to be vigilant, your wickedness is well known to this group.
Let me repeat, let them decide what type of mobilisation and activities they have to do for promoting the use of free software. Please be cooperate with them in that effort.
As I suspect you due to your wickedness, I will not recommend you to have any role in drafting arguments. Many responsible persons are there. If you want to contact DYFI or CPI(M), you may approach their office bearers at various levels. They are very inclusive.
If I am involved in any of their free software related events, I will try to inform you.
- Keraleean
2009/1/5 Anivar Aravind anivar.aravind@gmail.com
Please Post the info & details if you are doing a protest and Ask your Leaders to make it inclusive. Free Software Communities in Kerala will support for any protest against against These kind of Proprietary initiatives. Also we can Offer help in Drafting the technical arguments. Posting the details in Local User group is enough. I am ccing FSUG-TVM List. It will be good if you can share the details of "responsible people" we can contact.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:29 PM, കേരളീയന് भारतीयन keraleean@gmail.com wrote:
Let me repeat, let them decide what type of mobilisation and activities they have to do for promoting the use of free software. Please be cooperate with them in that effort.
As I suspect you due to your wickedness, I will not recommend you to have any role in drafting arguments. Many responsible persons are there.
You mean the 'responsible' ones who shamelessly used FSF India's name and logo without asking? Or is it the responsible guys who named the conference as the '2nd National Conference'. (Too Bad that these guys haven't started coding yet...otherwise we could've had Debian 6.0, Ubuntu 12.04 and so on without bothering the actual developers) Or is it the people who invited Novell as the Main sponsor?
What responsibility are you talking about sir?
want to contact DYFI or CPI(M), you may approach their office bearers at various levels. They are very inclusive.
Sure. Their inclusive nature is well known. They have already ended up including ADB, WorldBank etc, and tomorrow they might even include M$.
2009/1/5 sandeep sr sandeep.sr78@gmail.com
You mean the 'responsible' ones who shamelessly used FSF India's name and logo without asking?
I do not know who used the logo of FSF-India. However I too feel that for the cause of free software they should not have used logo of a private company which does not even have a democratic structure.
Or is it the responsible guys who named the conference as the '2nd
National Conference'. (Too Bad that these guys haven't started coding yet...otherwise we could've had Debian 6.0, Ubuntu 12.04 and so on without bothering the actual developers)
Let the organisers decide how to name the events. I do not take count of who were started coding on what.
Or is it the people who invited Novell as the Main sponsor?
No office bearers of DYFI or CPI(M) has invited Novell as the main sponsors. And even FSF has accepted sponsorship from Novell.
Sure. Their inclusive nature is well known. They have already ended up
including ADB, WorldBank etc, and tomorrow they might even include M$.
You are totally wrong on past, present and future of these things.
- Keraleean.
I do not know who used the logo of FSF-India. However I too feel that for the cause of free software they should not have used logo of a private company which does not even have a democratic structure.
Dear Keraleean,
Are you suggesting that private company / ownership is a bad thing in itself? AFAIK, the Free Software stands for property rights.
"Some people think free software goes against the principal of property ownership. However, if I buy a CD at the store, intellectual property says I don't have ownership rights of a CD. If I did, I could do anything with it I wanted to. Without the bizarre intellectual property game, I own what I buy." - Jonathan Bartlett johnnyb@wolfram.com
And what is bad in a private company?
Canonical is a private company. Red Hat is a private company. Many private companies are already having sustainable business models built on FS.
For instance,
* Perl is supported by the publisher who makes money from Perl books. * GCC and the Win32 port of many GNU tools is supported by Cygnus/RedHat who sell support/consulting services * Various open source initiatives have been supported by Sun make their OS more standard/enhanced. * Apache has been supported by IBM, Sun, and others for their own reasons
These business models have been around for *years* and they show no signs of disappearing anytime soon.
One business model that's often overlooked isn't really a business model. Companies that depends on software that they don't want to specialize in creating (e.g. a software company that doesn't want to create a custom installation package) will often contribute to an existing open source project that specializes in that area (e.g. RPM) because it saves them the money and resources it develop an inhouse solution. They contribute to the main stream of development because the don't want to keep patching their software against the new versions or because they want those features to be a defacto standard. - Anil Wang awang@nospam.com
I have copy pasted both quotes from the comments of an early Linux Today articlehttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-05-16-012-20-OP&tbovrmode=3#talkback_area.
Maybe, these arguments seem slightly away from your opposition. But what I was trying to say was, even if FSFI is a private company, they cannot be blamed for that.India's vote against OOXML in favor of ODF as ISO standard was made possible becouse of FSFI. If FSFI had a democratically elected organisational setup, the chapters like FSF Chennai would have been mushroomed overnight and it would have been hijacked by vested interest groups - let alone CPI(M). We have known such things in co-operative society / bank elections, here in Kerala for quite a long time.
-Sebin
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Sebin Jacob sebinajacob@gmail.com wrote:
I do not know who used the logo of FSF-India. However I too feel that for the cause of free software they should not have used logo of a private company which does not even have a democratic structure.
Dear Keraleean,
Are you suggesting that private company / ownership is a bad thing in itself? AFAIK, the Free Software stands for property rights.
"Some people think free software goes against the principal of property ownership. However, if I buy a CD at the store, intellectual property says I don't have ownership rights of a CD. If I did, I could do anything with it I wanted to. Without the bizarre intellectual property game, I own what I buy." - Jonathan Bartlett And what is bad in a private company?
Canonical is a private company. Red Hat is a private company. Many private companies are already having sustainable business models built on FS.
For instance,
- Perl is supported by the publisher who makes money from Perl books.
- GCC and the Win32 port of many GNU tools is supported by Cygnus/RedHat who
sell support/consulting services
- Various open source initiatives have been supported by Sun make their OS
more standard/enhanced.
- Apache has been supported by IBM, Sun, and others for their own reasons
These business models have been around for *years* and they show no signs of disappearing anytime soon.
One business model that's often overlooked isn't really a business model. Companies that depends on software that they don't want to specialize in creating (e.g. a software company that doesn't want to create a custom installation package) will often contribute to an existing open source project that specializes in that area (e.g. RPM) because it saves them the money and resources it develop an inhouse solution. They contribute to the main stream of development because the don't want to keep patching their software against the new versions or because they want those features to be a defacto standard. - Anil Wang
I have copy pasted both quotes from the comments of an early Linux Today article.
Maybe, these arguments seem slightly away from your opposition. But what I was trying to say was, even if FSFI is a private company, they cannot be blamed for that.India's vote against OOXML in favor of ODF as ISO standard was made possible becouse of FSFI. If FSFI had a democratically elected
Had wanted some clarity on this for sometime now.. Are you saying that India's vote against OOXML(ODF was allready an Open Standard) was made possible *only* because of FSF-I, or was made possible *majorly* because of FSF-I or was made possible because of FSF-I and other entities(one of many) efforts. Or something like FSF-I co-ordinated all effort towards this, meaning without the co-ordinating entity, there would have been no effort.
What is FSF-I official position on this.
organisational setup, the chapters like FSF Chennai would have been mushroomed overnight and it would have been hijacked by vested interest groups - let alone CPI(M). We have known such things in co-operative society / bank elections, here in Kerala for quite a long time.
-Sebin
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