Punnet, Sorry. I live in US, so I cant be of much practical help. So while emails matter, I was not sure that I another comment would useful.
Coming to the matter on hand. I think that only a handful of students in any given college will be interested. I think we should target them by personal contact. My plan of action would be to drop into a CS lab, catch the students who are in there of their own interest (not just because it is a lab period), and see if they are interested. 1st and 2nd years students are ideal.
From the FLOSS report
http://floss.infonomics.nl/report/Final4.htm#_Toc13908256 We know that 2/3rds of the FLOSS community are motivated to join and stay in FLOSS for the following reasons. 1) Share knowledge and skills. 2) Learn and develop new skills
I think we should try to find common ground on those reasons. Also we should mention that their job prospects will improve (and they will, it happened to me).
I am quite surprised that nobody took Thejesh up on his offer of money. Maybe an award kind of system (from FSF) will be more useful.
I am quite keen on IT@School, and Skole Linux, if anybody wants to take it up, I will be more than happy to fund it with small amounts of money.
Sarath, will you be interested?
-Krishna
--- Puneet Goel puneet.maillist@gmail.com wrote:
what man!
no comments from your side ???
cheers! Puneet
On 5/10/05, Krishna Pagadala krishnaact@yahoo.com wrote:
Fully agree with your suggestions. I was thinking along the same lines. Since all students are required to do some or the other projects. I was thinking that we should try to leverage that time. Especially we should try to encourage CS engineering final year project to be
free
software.
Thanks Krishna
--- Puneet Goel puneet.maillist@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Nagarjun,
Thanks for sharing about https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/prc
These folks seems to be doing the interesting
work.
appreciated. and the best thing is they started some 5 years
back.
For the last 2-3 days i have been discussing
this
info with some more folks and seeing the way this sarai list is
going
on. virtually scanned all the posts till date.
Without undermining the purpose behind this
list, if
we look at the traffic generated at this place and the kind of discussion going on, I feel this is not going in the direction they
should
have excelled by now. And the reason is only one, the way they
are
going on. precisly their operating model. The place is not more
than a
maillist. Not too many people even know about it.
and the sarai.net itself is in lot of other
things.
Particulary their 'About us' link says "Sarai: the New Media Initiative - a space for research, practice and conversation about the contemporary media and urban constellations."
What i am talking is a whole-sole concentrated approach towards a goal and that too without any deviation. Not only
this we
have some more points which can be added gradualy.
we have 2 options either we start on their
portal
etc. (but they might have their own reservations) or we start on our
own
with few more like minded people and take these guy's help, learn
from
their experiences.
As Mr. Raghav said rightly "I agree with
Nagarjuna's
email that instead of coming up with new initiatives, it
might
be a good idea to leverage existing ones. Personally, I see a
mailing
list as only one part of the answer, and for that, we can
definitely
use the sarai.net mailing list. I think what we need to do is to
come
up with a comprehensive proposal and then take it to FSF-India, sarai.net, Sarovar and any others out there to see
how/where
they can help. There are lots of people on those forums whose
experience
will prove very valuable to us."
rest sarover has been just a host for various projects. it is not relevent to what we r thinking of. yes! we can try/will to support it by hosting some of the projects there.
but one thing is for sure. whatever we will do
we
shall be doing it in complete harmony with FSF India.
let me know your comments.
Thanks and Regards, Puneet
Ps: I am looking forward to hear from more
people on
this. Please feel free to flame me if you think i am wrong at some point :)
On 5/6/05, Nagarjuna G. nagarjun@gnowledge.org wrote:
On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 10:04:25AM -0600,
Ragavan
Srinivasan wrote:
On 5/5/05, Puneet Goel
puneet.maillist@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Puneet,
Please have a look at the link http://www.communitycode.org/
[snip...]
I was just about to post a similar message
to
the list. I definitely
share the sentiments, and think this could
be a
wonderful opportunity
to help spread the awareness/usage of free
and
open source software in
India.
I think instead of targeting specific
cities, we
may want to start
with specific communities of users. Folks
working in the computer
industry and the student community may be
two we
can target for
starters.
Instead of starting a new initiative, it is
better
to strengthen the
existing initiatives, such as https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/prc,
and
sarovar.org.
Nagarjuna
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On 5/14/05, Krishna Pagadala krishnaact@yahoo.com wrote:
Punnet, Sorry. I live in US, so I cant be of much practical help. So while emails matter, I was not sure that I another comment would useful.
That doesn't matter. Whatever and wherever you can help that should be fine. Even though I am also on move much time for my bread and butter and again in few days I may go out of India but still we can try to push things in our own capacity.
Coming to the matter on hand. I think that only a handful of students in any given college will be interested. I think we should target them by personal contact. My plan of action would be to drop into a CS lab, catch the students who are in there of their own interest (not just because it is a lab period), and see if they are interested. 1st and 2nd years students are ideal.
You are right in this. Personally I also don't expect too many people to join. If we can bring 500 active participants, then also I will think that our work is accomplished, and we have achieved something significant. Why I was talking big numbers is simple. If we target thousands then only 100 will come. So let's target as many as possible, we will get some cool folks for sure (Marketing's first mantra). Pulling 500 resources should not be that much difficult considering if all of us try best in our capacities.
From the FLOSS report http://floss.infonomics.nl/report/Final4.htm#_Toc13908256 We know that 2/3rds of the FLOSS community are motivated to join and stay in FLOSS for the following reasons.
- Share knowledge and skills.
- Learn and develop new skills
I think we should try to find common ground on those reasons. Also we should mention that their job prospects will improve (and they will, it happened to me).
You are absolutely right. People who know this and understand this are there and will always be there. They are already contributing to projects and that's why wheel is spinning. But we shouldn't forget one more point that by doing this http://www.communitycode.org/ kind of project, we are pulling new people towards FLOSS. Once they are in then they will be in for sure.
I am quite surprised that nobody took Thejesh up on his offer of money. Maybe an award kind of system (from FSF) will be more useful.
FSF can take this kind of initiative without any problem.
I am quite keen on IT@School, and Skole Linux, if anybody wants to take it up, I will be more than happy to fund it with small amounts of money.
great idea.
Hope more people join this discussion and lend us their ideas, particularly FSF people.
Cheers! Puneet
We should have some kind of initiative to attract (specially students) towards FOSS. May be awards,bountys,scholarships etc will surely attract people.
On 5/14/05, Puneet Goel puneet.maillist@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/14/05, Krishna Pagadala krishnaact@yahoo.com wrote:
Punnet, Sorry. I live in US, so I cant be of much practical help. So while emails matter, I was not sure that I another comment would useful.
That doesn't matter. Whatever and wherever you can help that should be fine. Even though I am also on move much time for my bread and butter and again in few days I may go out of India but still we can try to push things in our own capacity.
Coming to the matter on hand. I think that only a handful of students in any given college will be interested. I think we should target them by personal contact. My plan of action would be to drop into a CS lab, catch the students who are in there of their own interest (not just because it is a lab period), and see if they are interested. 1st and 2nd years students are ideal.
You are right in this. Personally I also don't expect too many people to join. If we can bring 500 active participants, then also I will think that our work is accomplished, and we have achieved something significant. Why I was talking big numbers is simple. If we target thousands then only 100 will come. So let's target as many as possible, we will get some cool folks for sure (Marketing's first mantra). Pulling 500 resources should not be that much difficult considering if all of us try best in our capacities.
From the FLOSS report http://floss.infonomics.nl/report/Final4.htm#_Toc13908256 We know that 2/3rds of the FLOSS community are motivated to join and stay in FLOSS for the following reasons.
- Share knowledge and skills.
- Learn and develop new skills
I think we should try to find common ground on those reasons. Also we should mention that their job prospects will improve (and they will, it happened to me).
You are absolutely right. People who know this and understand this are there and will always be there. They are already contributing to projects and that's why wheel is spinning. But we shouldn't forget one more point that by doing this http://www.communitycode.org/ kind of project, we are pulling new people towards FLOSS. Once they are in then they will be in for sure.
I am quite surprised that nobody took Thejesh up on his offer of money. Maybe an award kind of system (from FSF) will be more useful.
FSF can take this kind of initiative without any problem.
I am quite keen on IT@School, and Skole Linux, if anybody wants to take it up, I will be more than happy to fund it with small amounts of money.
great idea.
Hope more people join this discussion and lend us their ideas, particularly FSF people.
Cheers! Puneet
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