----- Sandip Bhattacharya sandip@lug-delhi.org wrote:
You misunderstand the Hall of Shame "rhetoric". It is not about which site uses what technology to provider services. HoS is about not discriminating against users of these services. Critical websites like governments should be accessible by all, including users of FOSS software. That is all about our "limited" mission.
Thanks for clarifying. Got it now.
Whether a government site should proprietary technology or FOSS software is a different debate, and is not related to the Hall of shame effort.
Agreed.
BTW, I personally believe that FOSS software is not everything. You need to have FOSS content also. So even if we have FOSS software which is good, but not FOSS education material, what good would the software be to an education drive? Look around the education area, you would be a huge amount of teaching material already in place for these proprietary software. I don't blame the education drive too much right now for their decision. They can't help their students *now* by deploying FOSS and waiting for years for the teaching material to appear. The good thing is that there are many localized drives in India who are developing good teaching material. I believe Kerala was a pioneer in it, but I don't have any references to it right now. Once we have a worth 10+2 content in place, it would be difficult for any government to justify ignoring it.
So what exactly would/ should be taught as per the available study material
1) Word Processing or MS Word 2) Presentations or Powerpoint 3) Spreadsheets or Excel 4) ANSI C/ C++ or Visual C++ (usually Turbo C++) 5) Object Oriented Programming or MS .NET 6) SQL or MS SQL Server
there is a difference. For each there is a free alternative.
And good study material is aplenty. Generic concepts are already in place. I do blame the Govt Deptt. for lapse in their duties.
Ajay Pal Singh Atwal wrote:
So what exactly would/ should be taught as per the available study material
- Word Processing or MS Word
- Presentations or Powerpoint
- Spreadsheets or Excel
- ANSI C/ C++ or Visual C++ (usually Turbo C++)
- Object Oriented Programming or MS .NET
- SQL or MS SQL Server
there is a difference. For each there is a free alternative.
I am not denying there are free alternatives. I am asking where is the content?
And good study material is aplenty. Generic concepts are already in place. I do blame the Govt Deptt. for lapse in their duties.
What is good study material as per you? Manuals, or books/tutorials for professionals are not always suitable for classroom studying in schools.
Generic topics like C/C++ or OOP do have books, yes. But I am yet to see any FOSS material on Openoffice/Mysql good enough for school books.
We may laugh at them, but some of the training material for these proprietary software made by companies like NIIT, Aptech is actually quite suitable for high school students. They might not go into as much depth as we would want, but just making these concepts understandable to a school students requires quite some effort and experience. I know, because I have been involved in the content creation side with one of these companies for quite a while(for FOSS software, mind you). And they spend far more thought into making books tuned to target audience like school/college/professionals than we would ever intuitively know.
- Sandip
On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 17:04 +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
Generic topics like C/C++ or OOP do have books, yes. But I am yet to see any FOSS material on Openoffice/Mysql good enough for school books.
Incidentally, the textbooks prepared for IT education in the high schools in Kerala are reasonably good for the school level. They are available in English, Malayalam, Tamil and Kannada from the website of the education department.
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