It is very unfortunate that a campaign on the name of novell is being carried out against the conference which is also going out of proportion. These kinds of attempts just harm the movement and will be of no good. Hence i am coming out with facts. The sole contention should be to keep the freedom flag waving.
There would be none who would not be criticising the collaboration of Novell with Microsoft. However confining the attention of the entire community to one issue would undermine the importance and success of the conference which is historic for the free software movement.
This protest doesn't appear to be the one against novell rather to be against an important confernce of a high magnitude in the history of the movement. This was a conference which was well attended by 1500+ participants that includes industry, students, academia, Vice Chancellors, Policy makers and many others from all walks of life. There were 30 seminars, 17 workshops, 18 open fora, exhibition and many other kinds of activities.There were good number of declarations made and initiatives taken up. At a time when there is a back door entry of software patents an initiative on behalf of the lawyer community to take on the patents in the legal battles was announced. An agreement for collaboration between eight universities to conduct research on and based on free software and to implement it was made. There are many in these lines which have been an outcome of this conference. There was huge number of academia representing this conference.
Any protest organised, will generally be made in front of the office of novell or in the presence of the representative of the novell. However this protest was not called when the novell representative was there on the dias as a speaker on which me and nagarjuna were also present. The community has never seen any protest in front of the novell offices or the other conferences supported by novell accross india. The situp was organised infront of the main hall, the posters were being put at all parts of the campus. The actions thus appear to the community that they were just not against novell but against the conference. This is not the first time that such issues are being created by the same people. They were trying to create hurdles, divert the attention and subvert it even during the preparations of the conference. There are many conferences that are happenning in the country which are organised by many others, we as FSF India will be attending them and try to ensure to get the best benefit for the movement. The main organiser was CUSAT(Cochin University of Science and Technology), there is an LDF govt. which supports free software hence the conference could get support externally. These kind of conferences are in the interest of Free Software Movement. We in the movement are trying to rally the support of all political parties. Tomorrow even other political parties also will be forced to support us, the movement will have to be built accordingly. Why should we a part of the community get involved in killing initiatives and attributing them to the events of political parties. Attributing such things would not help the movement to grow. The community watching these kind of developments will be forced to beleive that these people only want to subvert the conference. The university authorities will act in their own discipline if there is some problem that creeps in the course of the conference. Any man handling is condemned without any second thought.
This conference was not organised by novel or was it the sole sponsorer. It was one among the many sponsorers. Taking up a campaign which is not in the top list of FSF campaigns and calling for the boycott novell protest on the second day of the conference when the entire delegation was seriously debating the issues concerning just undermines the conference. This hue and cry rather than helping the movement just undermines the conference and the movement. This is absolutely not doing good to the movement. The continuous row on whatever levels(either personal or official) and spilling over words will just harm the movement.
The energy of the community that should be focussing on more important issues is being dragged into such debates which will not help in attending to important issues confronting the movement.
Let us march to the international conference with the spirit of the conferences held and concentrate more on the priority issues like patents which is an immediate necessity.
--Kiran Chandra
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Kiran Chandra kiranfsf@gmail.com wrote:
It is very unfortunate that a campaign on the name of novell is being carried out against the conference which is also going out of proportion. These kinds of attempts just harm the movement and will be of no good. Hence i am coming out with facts. The sole contention should be to keep the freedom flag waving.
Dear Kiran,
I request you to go through my blog post. Your note seems to have a lot of misconceptions about the issues happened http://anivar.movingrepublic.org/2008/national-free-software-conference-boyc...
There would be none who would not be criticising the collaboration of Novell with Microsoft. However confining the attention of the entire community to one issue would undermine the importance and success of the conference which is historic for the free software movement.
This protest doesn't appear to be the one against novell rather to be against an important conference of a high magnitude in the history of the movement.
Quote From my blog
Since it is organized with the silent support of CPIM (You can understand it simply by going through schedule) a lot of people from Employee Unions, Students Unions, teachers Unions etc were participated in the event. Our intention is to protect these people being misguided by Novell. Novell was mainly promoting their fork of OpenOffice 3.0 (after they implemented notorious OOXML support & forked it after OOO3 moved to to LGPLv3)& SUSE in their stall. Most of the participants in the Conference were newbies and Novell is the only GNU/Linux distro widely promoted in the exhibition. Our protest is not targeted at Organizers or Novell. It was just a way to spread awareness on Novell's evil trends through the posters to protect new users being misguided.
This was a conference which was well attended by 1500+ participants that includes industry, students, academia, Vice Chancellors, Policy makers and many others from all walks of life. There were 30 seminars, 17 workshops, 18 open fora, exhibition and many other kinds of activities.There were good number of declarations made and initiatives taken up. At a time when there is a back door entry of software patents an initiative on behalf of the lawyer community to take on the patents in the legal battles was announced.
I hope you remember both of us together participated in the awareness seminar organized by All india lawyers association at Cochin High court (on 13th evening) and requested lawyer community to come forward to take up this issue .
Any protest organised, will generally be made in front of the office of novell or in the presence of the representative of the novell. However this protest was not called when the novell representative was there on the dias as a speaker on which me and nagarjuna were also present. The community has never seen any protest in front of the novell offices or the other conferences supported by novell accross india.
Each struggle have different strategies. As I clearly pointed it was not a protest against Novell or against Organizers. It was an effort to target Novell's market. ie. making people aware about Novell's anti Free Software tactics. I feel this is an important difference between the protests of New social movements & Traditional movements. I feel the lack of free software awareness of some among the Organizers made it as a big issue.
The situp was organised infront of the main hall, the posters were being put at all parts of the campus.
After the organisors manhandled the peaceful campaigners , a lot of people came in solidarity and they organized the sit in.
The actions thus appear to the community that they were just not against novell but against the conference.
It clearly shows the lack of understanding of the Organizers. All the posters was targeted well with highlighted Boycott Novell message & Charge sheet against Novell. The Highlighted message is "Just Say No to MICROVELL " and Billgates saying " If you want to Use GNU/Linux buy SUSE and get poor Microsoft will get payed" where you fing the critique to organizers in it?. The only caluse in the poster linking to the event is "Protest against platinum sponsor:- The Notorious Novell " . Please see the posters here http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/fci/images/0/00/Boycottnovell.pdf
This is not the first time that such issues are being created by the same people. They were trying to create hurdles, divert the attention and subvert it even during the preparations of the conference.
I request you to clarify your statement. because you were pointing fingers at campaigners who raised the concerns of Free software community.
Any man handling is condemned without any second thought.
Thanks for condemning manhandling from Organizer side.
This conference was not organised by novel or was it the sole sponsorer. It was one among the many sponsors. Taking up a campaign which is not in the top list of FSF campaigns and calling for the boycott novell protest on the second day of the conference when the entire delegation was seriously debating the issues concerning just undermines the conference.
Quoting from my blog
You all are aware of the 2 major campaigns in which Free Software community in India fought Last 1.5 Years. The Campaign for Document Freedom and Ongoing Campaign against software patents. Novell was always opposite to the Free Software Movement's position.
Just quoting from RMS's mail to me
First of all, congratulations on being the first free software activist to be physically attacked for a peaceful protest. This means our movement is gaining in stature ;-).
Free Software movement is not only FSF. It is much larger than that.
Any of us were not representing FSF in Conference. We all have the ability to analyse issue and act accordingly.
This hue and cry rather than helping the movement just undermines the conference and the movement. This is absolutely not doing good to the movement. The continuous row on whatever levels(either personal or official) and spilling over words will just harm the movement.
Why you were separating this campaign from the conference. It was a corrective measure from free software community and very much part of this conference itself. But Organizers failed to understand it. But it is sad when a senior GNUhead repeating same arguments of people without much free software exposure.
Anyway i feel the protest helped the conference to raise the free software issues as its concern. I feel Novell cant enter to Indian free software community anymore again as a result of the awareness raised by this conference.
The energy of the community that should be focussing on more important issues is being dragged into such debates which will not help in attending to important issues confronting the movement.
Totally agree.
Let us march to the international conference with the spirit of the conferences held and concentrate more on the priority issues like patents which is an immediate necessity
:-)
--Kiran Chandra
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The private responses from students at MES paint a scary picture of the developments. The claims of numbers 1500+ doesn't convey anything. Kerala has still over 3.5 crore of people. CK Raju
Yes its true that kerala has over 3.5 crore of people.. but the number 1500 is more than.. the usual number that of 10 - 15 people.. who consider themselves to represent be the whole of india.. (and that too on a mailing list)
The number 1500 is definately a huge number for the philosophy we are campaigning.. organisers have put in a good effort to mobilise those many people. Appreciate them for that.
regards siddhu On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:02 PM, CK Raju ck.thrissur@gmail.com wrote:
The private responses from students at MES paint a scary picture of the developments. The claims of numbers 1500+ doesn't convey anything. Kerala has still over 3.5 crore of people. CK Raju
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On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:56 PM, siddhu soso sid.fuser@gmail.com wrote:
Yes its true that kerala has over 3.5 crore of people.. but the number 1500 is more than.. the usual number that of 10 - 15 people.. who consider themselves to represent be the whole of india.. (and that too on a mailing list)
How can anyone represent someone else in a mailing list - that too if the mailing list doesn't even have a moderator ? To see "representation" where it doesn't exist is a cognitive disorder, that exists with people who tend to see hierarchies and structures within an organisation. Opinions here carry weight when it bears the burden of experience and wisdom. Participation in such lists also is a way to gain insights and experience and that's what brings most of us here.
The number 1500 is definately a huge number for the philosophy we are
campaigning.. organisers have put in a good effort to mobilise those many people. Appreciate them for that.
Looking at the capabilities of organisers, their roles within organisations that they associate with and the inherent unaudited tasks (most of which affect lives of public citizens) - the decisions of which lie currently with these organisations - this is certainly not appreciable. [If it were a pure students' programme of CUSAT, then the case would have been totally different.] CK Raju
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:19 PM, CK Raju ck.thrissur@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:56 PM, siddhu soso sid.fuser@gmail.com wrote:
Yes its true that kerala has over 3.5 crore of people.. but the number 1500 is more than.. the usual number that of 10 - 15 people.. who consider themselves to represent be the whole of india.. (and that too on a mailing list)
How can anyone represent someone else in a mailing list - that too if the mailing list doesn't even have a moderator ? To see "representation" where it doesn't exist is a cognitive disorder, that exists with people who tend to see hierarchies and structures within an organisation. Opinions here carry weight when it bears the burden of experience and wisdom. Participation in such lists also is a way to gain insights and experience and that's what brings most of us here.
The number 1500 is definately a huge number for the philosophy we are
campaigning.. organisers have put in a good effort to mobilise those many people. Appreciate them for that.
Looking at the capabilities of organisers, their roles within organisations that they associate with and the inherent unaudited tasks (most of which affect lives of public citizens) - the decisions of which lie currently with these organisations - this is certainly not appreciable. [If it were a pure students' programme of CUSAT, then the case would have been totally different.]
"Pure students" so... somebody affiliated to some organizations.. make them impure and they should neither use free software nor propagate free software.. great .. im getting meet so many fundamentalists here..
CK Raju
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On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:34 PM, siddhu soso sid.fuser@gmail.com wrote:
"Pure students" so... somebody affiliated to some organizations.. make them impure and they should neither
use free software nor propagate free software.. great .. im getting meet
so many fundamentalists here..
You can continue to dream on these lines and draw personal conclusions. If you pen them here, with details, most of us will get to know you much better.
To me, the fundamentals of Free Software do not give scope for much deviation - in that respect there's a great amount of dignity associated with this term, when used in this connection. Mixing up Free Software with convenient-market fundamentals and taking pride in that is something that scares me. Any contributor would protest when a market player adopts the embrace, extend and extinguish style of operation, on such contributions which are made for a larger cause.
When an organisation whose responsibility covers the entire population of Kerala conducts a National programme - its only reasonable for commoners to expect that there would be some tangible changes in the way public information is processed. Presently it is done with the connivance and knowledge of the organisation by agencies like IKM incubated by non-free software corporates. Whether this has happened is something you should be pondering on. Our status is the same. My information is still being processed by non-free software agents at my local government institution. What does then, this boasting of 1500+ mean ? Whom are we trying to convince ?
Eighth, ninth and tenth standards in govt schools may itself cross 20 lakh students - who learn Free Software on a daily basis. If 1500+ is national, what should we name this phenomenon ? To me, the action of those silent teachers is more appealing. If the lsgi and industries department woke up to this reality, then the future of those community is safe - but is it the case ? Lsgi department continues with its anti-policy stand and agencies like IKM have only become more non-free fundamentalists. People like you should have the courage to walk up to them and discuss issues. Industries minister is on record saying he wants to prove that party is not-SEZ, is not-anti-capitalist etc and is out with a very "effective and purposeful mission". All these convey a lot to us.
CK Raju