6 Nov
2002
6 Nov
'02
6:39 a.m.
Forwarding from FSUG-Kozhikode list.
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Baiju M
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Subject: [fsug-calicut] Some thing to reply..
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:03:53 +0530
From: "Jaisen.N.D." <jaisu_vyas(a)rediffmail.com>
To: fsug-calicut(a)freelists.org
Hai,
Have any one seen the month's Sasthragathi? Not yet? Then please get
it.. It have an article by K.Anvar Sadath and T.P.Sudhakaran, working in
Information Kerala Mission. They tries to justify the Microsoft - based
foundation of the project.
They point out:
- Software development is not a mental effort of only the programmers
involved, but, it is a user - based effort in a human centered thought.
So, the training of users, and the efforts which enable the users to use
the technology have more importance.
I agree with it. Me too was a volenteer in IKM's
OIK project (to
computerise the panchayat election counting centers in 2000.) which was
a big flop.
- It is a business strategy to raise a particular technology as a
solution for all type of issues.
They says that, the fsf movement and all the efforts
of volenteers
all over the world are simply a business trick. Should I say something?
- Application of technology has many expenses.. They include
- direct expenses
- non-direct expenses
- invisible expenses
- short term expenses
- long term expenses etc.
so a technology should be chosen considering all these things equally.
Me too agree. Is the GNU more expensive than MS based
things
considering all these? Sounds interesting..
- To surrender to the greatness of a particular type of technology,
and tolerate with it's dominance is not scientific.
Here goes all the waters out.. Who are surrendering?
- Unix is not developed for ordinary users. So the Unix is unreachable
for ordinary users and it is the main drawback of Unix....... All the
capabilities and drawbacks are common for all the OSs like Linux which
are included in Unix family..... Unix and Linux are for the expert users
who are working in powerful computers..
It is true that Unix was not developed for common
users. But the
train is running.. There was a time, which there were no GUIs for Unix
and it's clones. But now situation is different. Almost all the
distributions of Linux comes with a very user-friendly GUI which are
equally or more better than any other available in the market.
- Total Cost Ownership ( TCO ) includes the expenses of
administration, training, technical assistance, other services as well
as cost of software...... Open Source code doesn't win the market
because, it feels costly in the observations based on TCO.
Is it? Where is the Survey / Study reports?
- Windows has a simple and easy GUI..
Linux has more than one simple and easy Desktop
environments..
- Technical assistance for Linux is limited. Big Projects can't go
depending on volenteering help services.
Then how the govt. projects of many countries of the
world like
China or Brazil goes?
- Open Source is only a business trick to get dominance in the market
using some values..
- RMS is neither tries to connect the bad effects of patents and
copyrights with capitalistic authority and it's values ...
- Inside the framework of Capitalism, no any future for humanity,
equality, or honesty in long-terms through FSF.
- C-Dit gets Microsoft products in discount rates.. after the
agreement with them.
- The agreement is not a new thing. National Informatic Centre and
many State Govt agencies have experience in these type of agreements.
I know that The Mail server of NIC for the students
and teachers
(http://edumail.nic.in) Runs on Microsoft's Outlook Express. But is it a
model to imitate?
............... and a lot. What u think? Can't we reply?
-jaisen.
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6 Nov
6 Nov
5:28 p.m.
New subject: Halloween VII
ESR has reviewed the latest Microsoft leaked Linux strategy document. A
very interesting read. Some interesting points wrt FSF
<quote>
7 Nov
7 Nov
6:39 a.m.
Hi Jaisen,
Just tell Messrs Sadath and Sudhakaran that they've missed the whole
point about Software Freedom. Just point them to the philosophy pages
of gnu.org, especially to
http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html. (I presume IKM employs
people with enough intelligence to understand the simple difference
between Swatantra and Sowjanya and hope that in their list of
priorities Swantantrata has a higher place then TCO, GUI etc.)
Regards,
Khuzaima
On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:09:51 +0530, baiju <baiju(a)freeshell.org> wrote:
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Baiju M
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Subject: [fsug-calicut] Some thing to reply..
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:03:53 +0530
From: "Jaisen.N.D." <jaisu_vyas(a)rediffmail.com>
To: fsug-calicut(a)freelists.org
Hai,
Have any one seen the month's Sasthragathi? Not yet? Then please get
it.. It have an article by K.Anvar Sadath and T.P.Sudhakaran, working in
Information Kerala Mission. They tries to justify the Microsoft - based
foundation of the project.
They point out:
- Software development is not a mental effort of only the programmers
involved, but, it is a user - based effort in a human centered thought.
So, the training of users, and the efforts which enable the users to use
the technology have more importance.
I agree with it. Me too was a volenteer in
IKM's OIK project (to
computerise the panchayat election counting centers in 2000.) which was
a big flop.
- It is a business strategy to raise a particular technology as a
solution for all type of issues.
They says that, the fsf movement and all the
efforts of volenteers
all over the world are simply a business trick. Should I say something?
- Application of technology has many expenses.. They include
- direct expenses
- non-direct expenses
- invisible expenses
- short term expenses
- long term expenses etc.
so a technology should be chosen considering all these things equally.
Me too agree. Is the GNU more expensive than MS
based things
considering all these? Sounds interesting..
- To surrender to the greatness of a particular type of technology,
and tolerate with it's dominance is not scientific.
Here goes all the waters out.. Who are
surrendering?
- Unix is not developed for ordinary users. So the Unix is unreachable
for ordinary users and it is the main drawback of Unix....... All the
capabilities and drawbacks are common for all the OSs like Linux which
are included in Unix family..... Unix and Linux are for the expert users
who are working in powerful computers..
It is true that Unix was not developed for common
users. But the
train is running.. There was a time, which there were no GUIs for Unix
and it's clones. But now situation is different. Almost all the
distributions of Linux comes with a very user-friendly GUI which are
equally or more better than any other available in the market.
- Total Cost Ownership ( TCO ) includes the expenses of
administration, training, technical assistance, other services as well
as cost of software...... Open Source code doesn't win the market
because, it feels costly in the observations based on TCO.
Is it? Where is the Survey / Study reports?
- Windows has a simple and easy GUI..
Linux has more than one simple and easy Desktop
environments..
- Technical assistance for Linux is limited. Big Projects can't go
depending on volenteering help services.
Then how the govt. projects of many countries of
the world like
China or Brazil goes?
- Open Source is only a business trick to get dominance in the market
using some values..
- RMS is neither tries to connect the bad effects of patents and
copyrights with capitalistic authority and it's values ...
- Inside the framework of Capitalism, no any future for humanity,
equality, or honesty in long-terms through FSF.
- C-Dit gets Microsoft products in discount rates.. after the
agreement with them.
- The agreement is not a new thing. National Informatic Centre and
many State Govt agencies have experience in these type of agreements.
I know that The Mail server of NIC for the
students and teachers
(http://edumail.nic.in) Runs on Microsoft's Outlook Express. But is it a
model to imitate?
............... and a lot. What u think? Can't we reply?
-jaisen.
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FSUG-Kozhikode Home Page :
http://www.freelists.org/webpage/fsug-calicut
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12:15 p.m.
An appropriate response is being prepared, which, hopefully, would
appear in the next issue.
V. Sasi Kumar
On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 12:09, baiju wrote:
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Baiju M
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Subject: [fsug-calicut] Some thing to reply..
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:03:53 +0530
From: "Jaisen.N.D." <jaisu_vyas(a)rediffmail.com>
To: fsug-calicut(a)freelists.org
Hai,
Have any one seen the month's Sasthragathi? Not yet? Then please get
it.. It have an article by K.Anvar Sadath and T.P.Sudhakaran, working in
Information Kerala Mission. They tries to justify the Microsoft - based
foundation of the project.
They point out:
- Software development is not a mental effort of only the programmers
involved, but, it is a user - based effort in a human centered thought.
So, the training of users, and the efforts which enable the users to use
the technology have more importance.
I agree with it. Me too was a volenteer in
IKM's OIK project (to
computerise the panchayat election counting centers in 2000.) which was
a big flop.
- It is a business strategy to raise a particular technology as a
solution for all type of issues.
They says that, the fsf movement and all the
efforts of volenteers
all over the world are simply a business trick. Should I say something?
- Application of technology has many expenses.. They include
- direct expenses
- non-direct expenses
- invisible expenses
- short term expenses
- long term expenses etc.
so a technology should be chosen considering all these things equally.
Me too agree. Is the GNU more expensive than MS
based things
considering all these? Sounds interesting..
- To surrender to the greatness of a particular type of technology,
and tolerate with it's dominance is not scientific.
Here goes all the waters out.. Who are
surrendering?
- Unix is not developed for ordinary users. So the Unix is unreachable
for ordinary users and it is the main drawback of Unix....... All the
capabilities and drawbacks are common for all the OSs like Linux which
are included in Unix family..... Unix and Linux are for the expert users
who are working in powerful computers..
It is true that Unix was not developed for common
users. But the
train is running.. There was a time, which there were no GUIs for Unix
and it's clones. But now situation is different. Almost all the
distributions of Linux comes with a very user-friendly GUI which are
equally or more better than any other available in the market.
- Total Cost Ownership ( TCO ) includes the expenses of
administration, training, technical assistance, other services as well
as cost of software...... Open Source code doesn't win the market
because, it feels costly in the observations based on TCO.
Is it? Where is the Survey / Study reports?
- Windows has a simple and easy GUI..
Linux has more than one simple and easy Desktop
environments..
- Technical assistance for Linux is limited. Big Projects can't go
depending on volenteering help services.
Then how the govt. projects of many countries of
the world like
China or Brazil goes?
- Open Source is only a business trick to get dominance in the market
using some values..
- RMS is neither tries to connect the bad effects of patents and
copyrights with capitalistic authority and it's values ...
- Inside the framework of Capitalism, no any future for humanity,
equality, or honesty in long-terms through FSF.
- C-Dit gets Microsoft products in discount rates.. after the
agreement with them.
- The agreement is not a new thing. National Informatic Centre and
many State Govt agencies have experience in these type of agreements.
I know that The Mail server of NIC for the
students and teachers
(http://edumail.nic.in) Runs on Microsoft's Outlook Express. But is it a
model to imitate?
............... and a lot. What u think? Can't we reply?
-jaisen.
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http://www.freelists.org/webpage/fsug-calicut
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