I believe it is very important to step up the activities regarding FS advocacy in Universities and Schools. The "Unix culture" was born in the Universities, and it appears that MS is determined to kill it there. MS already offers gratis copies of its softwares in Universities. I am pretty sure that with higher broadband penetration, they will offer these "academic programmes" in Indian Schools too. I guess that they are not offering these "services" in India since they know that the kids will make illegal copies anyway, and they don't have to pay the bandwidth costs. (Most likely, the Schools will be paying for the b/w costs). This is a very real threat.
As far as the gnu on the desktop question goes, I think win's main strength is this: you can get your nephew to reinstall win every time it craps out. There are lots of gnu users who can make their machines do a samba, but the mass of users who can "just install gnu, and maybe even change themes" are few. We need them. MS's efforts will largely absorb people from this category.
Our efforts: The real meaning and purpose of FS is freedom, the real reason, ethics. Most of our efforts in advocating FS is based on these facts. But are they enough? A very popular argument among us goes this way: if someone uses FS for any reason other than the one that ought to be, they will move away when they get an alternative. I agree. But so what? While they are using FS, they are providing us with that resource which we badly need. (As far as moving away is concerned, notice that inertia when people refuse to go gnu even when ethical *and* financial considerations point that way? Inertia works both ways.) Am I saying let us forget all about ethics and talk about "network effects" ? All I am saying, is that if we have 1000 people who will switch to nonFS tomorrow, but can help 10 people who "get it" to switch to FS today, it is something positive. Moreover, it is easier to get our real point across to people who already use FS. (We are experts in preaching to the converted ;) ). When we get our point across to people who use nonFS, we imply that they are supporting something unethical. People resent this. They react, not by thinking about the problem and reaching a logical conclusion, but by pushing the whole problem across the SEP (Somebody Else's Problem) barrier. What if we can make sure that when people think about the problem, they are already on the other side of the ethical/moral problem? I think they will react differently. Better yet, we can get them to act.
If you agree with my point, you will see that our resources are not well organized. As far as the ethical aspect goes, we have lots of essays at FSF website. I believe that we should organize all our resources, the essays, the case studies:extremaduras and munichs (personally, I found the extremadura story more relevant to India), the bounties, the cool tech's:xens and reisers, the tutorials, the LUGs. Advocacy must be multi-pronged, it requires a bit more planning. Personally, my attempts at FS advocacy to individuals have been successful. My only attempt involving a group (CS students at CET), a failure. I realize that volunteering support (short pointers on how to use gnu tools, staying after regular hours to discuss things, burning cds with knoppix, eclipse, and all that jazz) was not enough. The issue is not that people think about the problem and choose nonFS, they simply refuse to think about the problem. We need serious brainstorming to get their attention. One of the interesting suggestions that came up in one of the FSF meetings was to give some sort of membership to the students to let them know that they are part of our group. I am sure, we can come up with more ideas.
Here is one: FSF Academic Awards.
Best Project (Developed): The conditions are obvious. Adv: The CS students are required to develop projects anyway, lets recognize their creativity.
Applied (Technical): Use/Modify existing software for creative applications in non CS fields.
Applied (Social): Socially relevant application of FS.
Arts (Essays, Artwork for FS projects, Artwork with FS):
So my basic idea is to get some attention for FS from the whole range of academia. Ofcourse, the real problem would be to find sufficient resources. For my part, I pledge Rs.3600 to any effort to bring in the students. As far as solving the resource problem goes, I think we should lobby the alumni of the schools to support us.
Maybe this "FSF academic awards" idea is not a practical one, maybe it is. But more importantly, we *need* some ideas to make them reach us. Something more "interesting" than letters to beaurocrats.
Eagerly awaiting your ideas and suggestions,
bala.
On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 11:52:19AM -0000, balachandran c wrote:
I believe it is very important to step up the activities regarding FS advocacy in Universities and Schools. The "Unix culture" was born in the Universities, and it appears that MS is determined to kill it there. MS already offers gratis copies of its softwares in Universities. I am pretty sure that with higher broadband penetration, they will offer these "academic programmes" in Indian Schools too. I guess that they are not offering these "services" in India since they know that the kids will make illegal copies anyway, and they don't have to pay the bandwidth costs. (Most likely, the Schools will be paying for the b/w costs). This is a very real threat.
The issues that you raised are very important. Let us discuss how to make FSF India's efforts more organized. membership issue is soon going to be launched. We need full time workers for FSF. FSF India at the moment has none. This needs resources to compensate the full timers.
Assuming that there are resources, I want to ask the community: how many of you are willing to work for FSF as full timers if proper compensation is given, at various parts of the counry? And howmany of your are willing to work with full timers during your spare time?
Nagarjuna
what about vb being a part of curriculum for CBSE 11th -12th??? in 'Informatics' ?
how abt python replacing vb? can anyone make any steps reg that..?
Hi,
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Assuming that there are resources, I want to ask the community: how many of you are willing to work for FSF as full timers if proper compensation is given, at various parts of the counry? And howmany of your are willing to work with full timers during your spare time?
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I don't know about if I will be able to work as a full timer. As far as efforts are concerned as a part timer, I am already preparing for a 3 day Seminar on Free Software to be conducted at a college in Wardha, Maharashtra.
More on this in a separate thread... as it would be inappropriate to discuss about seminar in this tread.
Regards, Sameer.
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:38:07 +0530, Nagarjuna G. nagarjun@gnowledge.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 11:52:19AM -0000, balachandran c wrote:
I believe it is very important to step up the activities regarding FS advocacy in Universities and Schools. The "Unix culture" was born in the Universities, and it appears that MS is determined to kill it there. MS already offers gratis copies of its softwares in Universities. I am pretty sure that with higher broadband penetration, they will offer these "academic programmes" in Indian Schools too. I guess that they are not offering these "services" in India since they know that the kids will make illegal copies anyway, and they don't have to pay the bandwidth costs. (Most likely, the Schools will be paying for the b/w costs). This is a very real threat.
The issues that you raised are very important. Let us discuss how to make FSF India's efforts more organized. membership issue is soon going to be launched. We need full time workers for FSF. FSF India at the moment has none. This needs resources to compensate the full timers.
Assuming that there are resources, I want to ask the community: how many of you are willing to work for FSF as full timers if proper compensation is given, at various parts of the counry? And howmany of your are willing to work with full timers during your spare time?
Nagarjuna
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Hello,
I am willing to work as a full time staff for FSF-India as per the conversations we had over the phone a couple of months back. I called you up in response to a posting you had made to this list some time earlier regarding the urgent need for 2 full time staff to run offices at Trivandrum and Mumbai.
I would ideally like to be based in Trivandrum or Cochin (this is where i stay now) and can also give talks on Free Software at various places if required to do so.
"Nagarjuna G." nagarjun@gnowledge.org writes:
Assuming that there are resources, I want to ask the community: how many of you are willing to work for FSF as full timers if proper compensation is given, at various parts of the counry? And howmany of your are willing to work with full timers during your spare time?
I'd love to work as full-timer for FSF if a compensation is provided. Else, I'd still be glad to spend my spare-time for this, as I'm doing now. After my PostGraduation course completes (in another month), I'd be able to contribute more time.