Dear All,
Yesterday (03-04-2006)I attended a seminar by a so-called "Hacking Guru" Ankit Fadia, at DAVV, Indore (MP) auditorium. I just want to share my feelings with you.
The Seminar was a complete failure, though it was attended by about well over 100 people, but was a complete disaster.
The very first thing by which I was offended badly was using the sacred word "Hacking" to demonstrate something we, the hackers, call cracking. The seminar topic was "Ethical Hacking", now I want to ask Mr Fadia, what is unethical about hacking ? Hacking is very positive word and there in no need to put "Ethical" before it. By the way his seminar topic should be "Ethical Cracking".
If you really want to become a hacker, please read an article by a real hacker, Eric Steven Raymond (ESR). The man who changed the history by writing a paper "Cathedral and Bazaar". please read the article here : http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.htmlhttp://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
The people who can not differentiate between hacking and cracking, should read an article by the GOD of hackers Richad M Stallman (RMS), the man who started GNU movement all by himself. The gcc (compiler), gdb (debugger), emacs (editor) are some of the most popular softwares in the world written by him. Please read the article here : http://www.outpost9.com/reference/jargon/jargon_69.html
The things Fadia demonstrated were ancient techniques used by crackers to break into some one's machine. Now a days even 10 year olds can download these tools from Internet to control others' machines. Can we call them hackers ?? If he calls it hacking, I doubt if he understands the term even "Cracking", leave hacking altogether. This childish behavior is called script kiddie.
IP spoofing, SQL Injection, password cracking softwares, Trojan horse programs, these are the tools of cyber criminals. So I wonder what is the significance of the term "Ethical" here ??
In the entire session I kept waiting for some program or utility, written by himself. But I don't thing he had something like this to share with audience. The entire session was demonstration of third party utilities, and the saddest thing was no mention of the name of any author of any utility. He didn't care to give some credits to the utility developers. What a shame !!!
Mr Fadia, I real hacker always respect the creativity of others, and before using their work proper credits are given, this is the hacker's attitude. It's not like that, you download something from Internet, use it and forget the person, who made it. That's pretty mean.
Second most annoying thing was that he calls himself a "hacker" and was using a Windows XP operating system ????
I have been in to computers for the past 10 years and I never come across any real hacker who uses Windows. I met Brian(Apache creator), Andy Cleen, Alon cox, Rusty (all networking gods), RMS (the GOD himself) but all of them were using some or other form of Unix or Linux.
Come on, MR Fadia, Windows is the worst OS in the world, full of security holes, so what is the point to break into a Windows machine ???? What do you want to prove ????
He only once mentioned Linux, just to tell how you can use it's live CD to boot a Windows machine and cracke the password.
Actually, before attending the seminar, I Googled a lot about Fadia and his work. But what I could find was self acclaiming statement by Fadia about himself and his future and just crap, crap and crap by technology illiterate Indian news papers' reports.
I just want to share my findings with you.
Vulnerabilities patches by Fadia = 0 (He may know how to break in, but doesn't know how to fix up) Bugtraq id's by Fadia = 0 Hacking / Security tool by fadia = 0 (He simply Goolge and download the tools from Internet, that's not cracking. Actual cracker is the programmer, but Fadia never ever gives due credits. Now that's not hacking, that's stealing) Any open source software by Fadia = 0 (He is afraid of suggesting Linux to people, 'coz it's secure) Any Linux or Windows software security patch = 0 Any recommendation or recognition by Real Hacker Community = 0 (They laugh at him. He is just a kid) Software / Cryptography patents by Fadia = 0 Algorithms by Fadia = 0 Any official citation by FBI/CIA/CBI for Fadia = 0 (They don't even bother about any explanation) Any confirmation of his self-claims = 0 (Nobody, expect him knows, if they are real) Any confirmation of him decrypting Osama's message = 0 (Hahahahahahahaha) Any original technical tutorial or book by Fadia = 0 (He simply copy the things and never he never ever gives due credits to the
original authors.) Any originality in his tutes or books = 0 (Hahahahahahaha) Skill level of Fadia = Only God knows !!!
I tried to read a few books by him, but to my wonder some part of his books are nothing but simple "copy and paste" material from well known sites for Windows registry editing. Please visit www.winguides.com and compare the material with his first book. Oh God ! this is the clear violation of intellectual property rights of the website. Please inform the webmaster. I have done it already.
I was astonished by the course he came to promote here, "Ethical hacker certified by Ankit Fadia" ! He sill is child in hacking field, and he is giving the certificates for hacking ????? And worst thing, Reliance web world is promoting it. What a shame !!! Have all gone mad ? Can't they see ?
Unfortunately, question and answer round was cut from the seminar, that's also because of Fadia arrived there one hour late. Well, that's India's celebrity style statement. Otherwise, I would have asked all these questions to him there only.
Anyways, I went to him at the end of the seminar, and asked if Windows is so vulnerable, can he suggest audience to use Linux rather than Windows. And the reply came was straight "NO". What a shame ???
I understood the reason, why he said no. The reason is same why Microsoft does not patch up it's OS. Plain economics. If you make system secure with Linux who is going to ask for people like Fadia, so called "security expert" ???
I want to make an appeal to all of you, please make all of your friends aware of these facts. Let one should not get undeserved advantage. I also want to appeal news papers, please do not make a hero out of nothing. Stop polluting the honest media by prejudiced reports.
And at the end I want to tell Mr Fadia, that I don't have any personal problem with you or your achievements, but please behave properly in hacking community. We hackers are very positive people we never ever try to harm anybody, until he comes to our or our philosophy's way. Please stop calling your self a hacker, if does not understand the hacker culture.
And for god sake, stop behaving like a child, now you are in college, so GROW UP !!!
Prabhat.
PS : I am sending this mail to Mr Fadia, Reliance web world, most of Linux mailing lists and all of my friends. Please post your comments at lug-indore@googlegroups.com
Prabhat Sandheliya,
Interesting. Thanks for revealing the truth. The media people are also ignorant of hacking and unfortunately most of them refer _crackers_ as _hackers_. This is really a bad thing.
regards Manilal
On 05/04/06, Prabhat Sandheliya prabhat.news@gmail.com wrote:
Dear All,
Yesterday (03-04-2006)I attended a seminar by a so-called "Hacking Guru" Ankit Fadia, at DAVV, Indore (MP) auditorium. I just want to share my feelings with you.
The Seminar was a complete failure, though it was attended by about well over 100 people, but was a complete disaster.
The very first thing by which I was offended badly was using the sacred word "Hacking" to demonstrate something we, the hackers, call cracking. The seminar topic was "Ethical Hacking", now I want to ask Mr Fadia, what is unethical about hacking ? Hacking is very positive word and there in no need to put "Ethical" before it. By the way his seminar topic should be "Ethical Cracking".
If you really want to become a hacker, please read an article by a real hacker, Eric Steven Raymond (ESR). The man who changed the history by writing a paper "Cathedral and Bazaar". please read the article here : http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.htmlhttp://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
The people who can not differentiate between hacking and cracking, should read an article by the GOD of hackers Richad M Stallman (RMS), the man who started GNU movement all by himself. The gcc (compiler), gdb (debugger), emacs (editor) are some of the most popular softwares in the world written by him. Please read the article here : http://www.outpost9.com/reference/jargon/jargon_69.html
The things Fadia demonstrated were ancient techniques used by crackers to break into some one's machine. Now a days even 10 year olds can download these tools from Internet to control others' machines. Can we call them hackers ?? If he calls it hacking, I doubt if he understands the term even "Cracking", leave hacking altogether. This childish behavior is called script kiddie.
IP spoofing, SQL Injection, password cracking softwares, Trojan horse programs, these are the tools of cyber criminals. So I wonder what is the significance of the term "Ethical" here ??
In the entire session I kept waiting for some program or utility, written by himself. But I don't thing he had something like this to share with audience. The entire session was demonstration of third party utilities, and the saddest thing was no mention of the name of any author of any utility. He didn't care to give some credits to the utility developers. What a shame !!!
Mr Fadia, I real hacker always respect the creativity of others, and before using their work proper credits are given, this is the hacker's attitude. It's not like that, you download something from Internet, use it and forget the person, who made it. That's pretty mean.
Second most annoying thing was that he calls himself a "hacker" and was using a Windows XP operating system ????
I have been in to computers for the past 10 years and I never come across any real hacker who uses Windows. I met Brian(Apache creator), Andy Cleen, Alon cox, Rusty (all networking gods), RMS (the GOD himself) but all of them were using some or other form of Unix or Linux.
Come on, MR Fadia, Windows is the worst OS in the world, full of security holes, so what is the point to break into a Windows machine ???? What do you want to prove ????
He only once mentioned Linux, just to tell how you can use it's live CD to boot a Windows machine and cracke the password.
Actually, before attending the seminar, I Googled a lot about Fadia and his work. But what I could find was self acclaiming statement by Fadia about himself and his future and just crap, crap and crap by technology illiterate Indian news papers' reports.
I just want to share my findings with you.
Vulnerabilities patches by Fadia = 0 (He may know how to break in, but doesn't know how to fix up) Bugtraq id's by Fadia = 0 Hacking / Security tool by fadia = 0 (He simply Goolge and download the tools from Internet, that's not cracking. Actual cracker is the programmer, but Fadia never ever gives due credits. Now that's not hacking, that's stealing) Any open source software by Fadia = 0 (He is afraid of suggesting Linux to people, 'coz it's secure) Any Linux or Windows software security patch = 0 Any recommendation or recognition by Real Hacker Community = 0 (They laugh at him. He is just a kid) Software / Cryptography patents by Fadia = 0 Algorithms by Fadia = 0 Any official citation by FBI/CIA/CBI for Fadia = 0 (They don't even bother about any explanation) Any confirmation of his self-claims = 0 (Nobody, expect him knows, if they are real) Any confirmation of him decrypting Osama's message = 0 (Hahahahahahahaha) Any original technical tutorial or book by Fadia = 0 (He simply copy the things and never he never ever gives due credits to the
original authors.) Any originality in his tutes or books = 0 (Hahahahahahaha) Skill level of Fadia = Only God knows !!!
I tried to read a few books by him, but to my wonder some part of his books are nothing but simple "copy and paste" material from well known sites for Windows registry editing. Please visit www.winguides.com and compare the material with his first book. Oh God ! this is the clear violation of intellectual property rights of the website. Please inform the webmaster. I have done it already.
I was astonished by the course he came to promote here, "Ethical hacker certified by Ankit Fadia" ! He sill is child in hacking field, and he is giving the certificates for hacking ????? And worst thing, Reliance web world is promoting it. What a shame !!! Have all gone mad ? Can't they see ?
Unfortunately, question and answer round was cut from the seminar, that's also because of Fadia arrived there one hour late. Well, that's India's celebrity style statement. Otherwise, I would have asked all these questions to him there only.
Anyways, I went to him at the end of the seminar, and asked if Windows is so vulnerable, can he suggest audience to use Linux rather than Windows. And the reply came was straight "NO". What a shame ???
I understood the reason, why he said no. The reason is same why Microsoft does not patch up it's OS. Plain economics. If you make system secure with Linux who is going to ask for people like Fadia, so called "security expert" ???
I want to make an appeal to all of you, please make all of your friends aware of these facts. Let one should not get undeserved advantage. I also want to appeal news papers, please do not make a hero out of nothing. Stop polluting the honest media by prejudiced reports.
And at the end I want to tell Mr Fadia, that I don't have any personal problem with you or your achievements, but please behave properly in hacking community. We hackers are very positive people we never ever try to harm anybody, until he comes to our or our philosophy's way. Please stop calling your self a hacker, if does not understand the hacker culture.
And for god sake, stop behaving like a child, now you are in college, so GROW UP !!!
Prabhat.
PS : I am sending this mail to Mr Fadia, Reliance web world, most of Linux mailing lists and all of my friends. Please post your comments at lug-indore@googlegroups.com _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends@mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends
The media people are also ignorant of hacking and unfortunately most of them refer _crackers_ as _hackers_. This is really a bad thing.
Not only media, even the IT Act too....
-- Thanks, Thejesh GN http://www.techmag.biz
Hi there
Well I think that we feel that these tricks by Mr Fadia are of no use or copied because Mr Fadia has not upgraded himself.He is still going by those old tricks.he is just giving seminars on those old tricks.Since he started early in this area so he has the recognition.In today's scenario there is no dearth of resources like the Home PC or the Internet as it was in earlier days.
It is very sad to learn that Mr Fadia still does not discriminate clearly between hacking and cracking.Really I do not think that using third party tools to just try out things is of use for real hackers and its quite true that hacking is not possible without a flavour of UNIX/Linux.
In support of Mr Fadia I can say that since people have this perception on hackers and crackers are same etc,so Mr Fadia must be using the term hacker for cracker.And to show some instant results he must using some third party tools.What do you expect a 2-3 hour seminar to teach you . Linux/Unix.??? He is just selling what sells.Even he is aware of these differences (which he should be)he won't clear them.He is just earning good bucks .
I can understand that most of us who are well versed with Unix/Linux will surely expect some real hacking at the seminar .But It will still take some time in India for such seminars
regards
gaurav
On 4/5/06, Thejesh GN gnthej@gmail.com wrote:
The media people are also ignorant of hacking and unfortunately most of them refer _crackers_ as _hackers_. This is really a bad thing.
Not only media, even the IT Act too....
-- Thanks, Thejesh GN http://www.techmag.biz
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Friends, I read all the mail of Mr. Prabhat Sandheliya.Its really interesting.What he said is really right.Before two years, I think of learning hacking and went to market and buy Ankit's firts book.And at the same time I search google to get more knowledge.I read the googlist more and compare it with Ankit.Thay are the same.If any1 want to become a hacker like Ankit then they can be it within two or three months.(Geeks can do it within weeks !!!).
But all that u said is not right,because as u all know hackers are classified as different according to there method :
1) Platform Based a) Linux b) Windows c) Unix 2) System Based Etc
I think Ankit is someone in Windows.And u are frm Linux. He use canned exploits and tools to hack a server.Its really easy.But hackers really share there tools and others for there easy work.
If u think I am a fool then goto my group and plz be its moderator and guide us.Hacker-School in Yahoo!
Salih pk
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salih pk salihpk@yahoo.com writes:
But all that u said is not right,because as u all know hackers are classified as different according to there method :
You got it all wrong. The term 'hacker' is being used wrongly here. 'Hackers' dont go about compromising machines and looking around for security flaws which they can exploit. The term 'hacker' originally (historically) refers to something different. The media was too dumb to understand the real meaning., and associated that term with people who compromise computer security. Such people who 'compromise computer security' are called 'crackers'. Please read the following article which has links to other sources of information also.
http://joesteeve.org/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/FreeSoftware/Hackerism.html
If u think I am a fool then goto my group and plz be its moderator and guide us.Hacker-School in Yahoo!
If you take the time to read the above link I posted., you'll understand how silly that title 'Hacker-school' is.. :)
Dear friend,
Thanks for your mail.
But all that u said is not right,because as u all know hackers are
classified as different according to there method :
- Platform Based a) Linux b) Windows c) Unix
- System Based
Etc
Perhaps you didn't get the right meaning. I really don't care what OS or tool you use, but if you are breaking in, that's cracking, not hacking. Hacking means development work, writing something new and innovative, not using someone else work.
I think Ankit is someone in Windows.And u are frm Linux.
Please do not compare me with him, I am not a cracker.
If u think I am a fool then goto my group and plz be its moderator and guide
us.Hacker-School in Yahoo!
Thanks buddy, for inviting me. But you know, I am already too busy in moderating my own group at http://groups.google.com/group/lug-indore. Please visit this group sometime.
Bye and take care.
Prabhat
Sometime on Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:30:47PM +0530, Prabhat Sandheliya said:
Mr Fadia, I real hacker always respect the creativity of others, and before using their work proper credits are given, this is the hacker's attitude. It's not like that, you download something from Internet, use it and forget the person, who made it. That's pretty mean.
I wonder if he would have gotten this much publicity without using google for searching for canned, os specific expoits. I had a chance of reading the first volume of his book, which needless to say, was full of large chunks of c/perl sources in print.
Anurag
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 16:20 +0530, Anurag wrote:
Sometime on Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:30:47PM +0530, Prabhat Sandheliya said:
Mr Fadia, I real hacker always respect the creativity of others, and before using their work proper credits are given, this is the hacker's attitude. It's not like that, you download something from Internet, use it and forget the person, who made it. That's pretty mean.
I wonder if he would have gotten this much publicity without using google for searching for canned, os specific expoits. I had a chance of reading the first volume of his book, which needless to say, was full of large chunks of c/perl sources in print.
Ankit is a kid! Long way to go for him...
Regards,
ah
Hi guys,
Thanks for your responce. I think, we shold take some initiatives to stop him making name and fame over the old tricks and misguiding people about the Hacker culture. Let us spread the message to all of the computer community. I request all of you to please send this mail to all of your friends.
Prabhat
Hi Friends,
--- Prabhat Sandheliya prabhat.news@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys,
Thanks for your responce. I think, we shold take some initiatives to stop him making name and fame over the old tricks and misguiding people about the Hacker culture.
It would also be a good idea to read the user reviews of his "famous" book at amazon.com; here is a sample:
"How can anybody turn up pure garbage like this in the form of a book, and claim to be any sort of security expert?"
Pramode --------
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Anurag,
I wonder if he would have gotten this much publicity without using google for searching for canned, os specific expoits. I had a chance of reading the first volume of his book, which needless to say, was full of large chunks of c/perl sources in print.
... and I don't remember any of those codes actually working. I typed out those huge 500 lines of code and found that there were critical syntax errors or missing functionality. Plainly, Ankit Fadia is an idiot. Regards, BG
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Prabhat,
Yesterday (03-04-2006)I attended a seminar by a so-called "Hacking Guru" Ankit Fadia, at DAVV, Indore (MP) auditorium. I just want to share my feelings with you.
Very well written. You only reaffirmed what we have believed ever since this Ankit Fadia hype was created. I guess it's time we started educating people about these ``quacks''. All his achievements and claims to fame are just plain lies and he has no way to prove them otherwise. He has earned a shit-load of money selling his heavily plagiarised books and now is studying some course in Stanford. It's actually not so easy to disprove the myths associated with him ... the best we can do is to ignore him. We have a lot more ``real hacking'' to do than even think about script kiddies like Fadia. Just ignore him ... the world will realise. Soon. Regards, BG
- -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose@gnu.org.in Free Software Foundation of India http://www.gnu.org.in/
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hi all
IT@SCHOOL text book for 10 std contain reference to Ankit Fadia which has no relevence to the content of the book. http://www.education.kerala.gov.in/englishmedium/iteng/chapter1.PDF page #13
With regards
M.Balakrishna Pillai
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 22:55 +0530, M.Balakrishna Pillai wrote:
hi all
IT@SCHOOL text book for 10 std contain reference to Ankit Fadia which has no relevence to the content of the book. http://www.education.kerala.gov.in/englishmedium/iteng/chapter1.PDF page #13
I think that was removed in the printed version when it was printed next year. I don't think the pdfs are being updated.
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