This commercial stuff is triggered by the misguiding offer of
RedHat CDs, which turned out to be Rs.230/-.
However this is not a free offer.
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The ZServers project intends to create highly scalable distributed
Servers that require minimum or no configurations, enabling the
network administrators scale their networks with ease.
The first step in this direction is:
Linux Internet Information Server:
To give you a head start,
In stage I, we intend to create a lookalike of Internet Information Server
which can manage ftp, www etc from one point. Keeping the look and feel the
same is important as it can help network administrators migrate with ease.
we are working on the analaysis of this product and will soon put it across.
We invite developers with knowledge of Glade and shell scripts to
Mail me at tarun.gaur(a)i3genesys.com with "ZServers" as the subject.
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Just to point out that this issue is being debated beyond Free
Software/Open Source mailing lsts. Some relevant questions below...
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Subject: RE: [bytesforall_readers] About Shiksha, Narayana Murthy
and Bill gates..
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:21:21 -0000
From: Murali Shanmugavelan <MuraliS(a)panoslondon.org.uk>
To: "'Frederick Noronha '" <fred(a)bytesforall.org>
The Project mission and its gensis:
Shiksha India is a non-profit initiative, aimed at bridging the
digital divide in India. This project was conceived of by the
Global Leaders for Tomorrow of the World Economic Forum, incubated
by the Confederation of Indian Industry.
"Shiksha India's mission is computer literacy -- a basic skill that
blue collar workers like mechanics and rural citizens like farmers
will find useful in their daily lives. It will substantially
increase the earning capacity of mainstream India in direct and
indirect ways and also help in bridging the digital divide that
exists in India " said N. R. Narayana Murthy, trustee of Shiksha
India (from Schoolsonline.org)
Does Mr. Bill's donation to Shiksha and his choice of NGOs tell us
anything? The Political economy of NGos have powerful roles in
informing and shaping policies in today's informing society.
Especially, when the political economy is governed by business
I would like to know if there are examples as to how many ICT4D
projects have implemented non-microsoft platforms to increase the
flow from and towards the poor and marginalised.
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A good news for the Free Software community if this draft is adopted
by the W3C.
Don't hesitate to provide your input to promote RF.
-- Alexandre Dulaunoy -- http://www.foo.be/
"People who fight may lose.People who do not fight have already lost."
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:03:46 -0800
From: Lawrence E. Rosen <lrosen(a)rosenlaw.com>
To: license-discuss(a)opensource.org, fsb(a)crynwr.com
Cc: 'Robin 'Roblimo' Miller' <robin(a)roblimo.com>,
Eben Moglen <moglen(a)columbia.edu>, bruce(a)perens.com
Subject: W3C Patent Policy
W3C (www.w3c.org) has just released the Last Call Working Draft of its
patent policy (http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-patent-policy-20021114) for
"Last Call" review.
Some of you may remember that an earlier draft of that policy provided
for the possible payment of "reasonable and non-discriminatory" (RAND)
royalties in order to practice W3C specifications. That dreadful
prospect is no longer in the policy. The draft policy now provides that
all patents necessary to implement W3C specifications must be
If this draft is adopted by W3C, all specifications published by W3C can
be implemented by anyone, anywhere, without payment of royalties. This
is a major victory for open source. The open source community was
represented on the Patent Policy Working Group by Eben Moglen, Bruce
Perens and Larry Rosen.
The community now needs to be heard supporting this policy so that it is
not undone during the public input and W3C Advisory Council phase.
Address your comments to www-patentpolicy-comment(a)w3.org.
We hope that this RF policy will be adopted by other standards
organizations around the world.
license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
Isdf mailing list
Interesting. Even if it uses Free Software and Open Source as
interchangeable terms. Thanks to Soundara Rajan N.S. in Mysore for
"If the current stylistic distinctions between open-source and commercial
software persist, an open-software revolution could lead to yet another
divide between haves and have-nots: those with the skills and connections
to make use of free software, and those who must pay high prices for
increasingly dated commercial offerings." -- Scientific American
Dear friend Suraj,
We live in a world that moves at a very fast pace. In today's world, people
value quality over price in most of the situations. And yes cost of
ownership does matter, but never at the price of quality.
Now, we are evangalists supporting the same movement. A movement that brings
people and ideas togather to create free software. It intends to
realize the vision of a genius called Richard Stallman.
but friend, I have some questions for you.
Do Richard Stallman and GNU ask us not to praise and be aware of what is
happening in the properietary world ?
Are we hampered by any force to write software as good as the properietary
when we can accompilsh extremely tech. stuff, does it take a herculian
effort to beautify it and simplify the names of the software?
Should we ignore the fact that the world leaders should be keenly observed
and there success researched to pick up some good things that might help us
create FSF into a more formidable force ?
My previous posting was to help all our friends realize that we can improve.
We can innovate. We can be the best and WE CAN be FREE. We can be technical
yet touch the masses.
------------------- by Mr. Suraj --------------------------------------
your question is like, "Do the masses need a hut where they live happily or
do they need the latest technology laser enabled cage where they get
We in the Free Software world donot care if our existing software cannot
do everything that proprietary guys do.
REPLY: Friend we have to care and improve. Thats how future is driven. We
dont want to be philosophers in minority. Awareness of competetion is the
key to "NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL" and "CREATING BETTER SOFTWARE"
WE NEED TO OBSERVE,ACT AND IMPROVE.
Now, friend suraj, you are very right when you say praising wont help.
So, friends, i give you a head start.
We are already working on a project that integrates the "servers" that run
on Linux, into services that can be controlled from one point and that
minimises the administration. I invite all my friends to come and join me in
This is a small step towards "Scalable, Distributed Zero Administration
Servers" ... We call the project as ZServers.
Friends, this project is the first in line ... We in pune are working in
three different teams of 10 people each on some amazing software for linux.
We indend to throw all the software to FSF one by one.
If any of my friends are interested to join hands ...
Please mail me at: tarun.gaur(a)i3genesys.com
Once Aki morito (Sony) was having a different opinion than his collegue.
They had a heated disscussion. When Aki was asked about his reaction by
another friend ... he said : If we agree to the same things, then one of us
is redundant. We respect difference of opinion.
leave you with this thought,
>From: Suraj Kumar <suraj(a)symonds.net>
>To: Tarun Gaur <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com>
>CC: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in, fsf-discuss(a)mm.gnu.org.in
>Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Lets Introspect and watch competition ...
>Date: 24 Nov 2002 16:51:04 +0530
> > DO YOU THINK WE (INTELLIGENT TECHIES) CAN REACH MASSES THIS WAY ?
> > DO THE MASSES NEED "FREE SOFTWARE" OR "FREE GOOD AND EASY TO USE
> > ...
>your question is like, "Do the masses need a hut where they live happily
>or do they need the latest technology laser enabled cage where they get
>We in the Free Software world donot care if our existing software cannot
>do everything that proprietary guys do. Agreed, there may be a good
>number of bleeding edge stuff coming out from the proprietary world. All
>the bleeding edge becomes _their_ property. and its not something you
>can enhance. Infact there have been a lot of such "bleeding edge" stuff
>that donot let us even use it for any purpose. I have heard ppl from
>research labs like the ISRO say that they had to reinvent the wheel many
>a times just because an available proprietary software does not let them
>use it for space research. As a programmer, Proprietary software is
>_definitely_ not the best thing you can have. You can't modify it to fit
>your purpose (atleast without paying a hefty sum to the owner of the
>software). It is only something that you can keep "praising". do you
>really want to do nothing in your life better than praising something
>that does not give you the freedom?
>We are here to build a better place. Information needs to be free and
>that will _not_ happen when its in the hands of people who talk about
>'intellectual property'. Software will be useful in all the possible
>ways only when its free. And thats where we in the Free Software world
>give more powerful software to the masses than what the proprietary guys
>Join hands, if at all you wanted to, we can write _good_ software. You
>see, the word "good" has two meanings. :)
>|I became conscious of the pangs of pallor in the absence |
>|of my lover, as we see darkness in the absence of light |
>|(pain of pallor and sallowness - 6), Thirukkural |
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This is my first mail to the community and be rest assured i am going to
push this thing thru for a long time to come. In this first mail, i am
keeping the topic of discussion very very generic.
LETS INTROSPECT AND WATCH COMPETETION ...
Is it mere incedental that when we talk of competition to FSF like
revolution, name of Microsoft cant be avoided (we may like it or not).
To give my friends an insight into microsoft future corp , i would really
recommend you folks to take a look at this :
Now lets look at where we stand ...
We are no doubts as good as the folks at microsoft ...
But we carry VERY GOOD HABITS of Naming our projects in greek and latin.
and more so complicating the description of software even more.
Just to add another example, look at the names of the utilities that come
bundled with Red Hat/SuSe/GNU Linux versions etc. They are really good at
scaring away a common user. (I have asked a lot of end users this question,
and be sure they all agree).
DO YOU THINK WE (INTELLIGENT TECHIES) CAN REACH MASSES THIS WAY ?
DO THE MASSES NEED "FREE SOFTWARE" OR "FREE GOOD AND EASY TO USE SOFTWARE"
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I just wanted everyone here to know about this .. we're tackling .NET in a
positive way as well ... It's a frontline battle with .NET .... We've
reached a position where gcc can get the whole build system up .. with
that we've touched the 500,000 line mark as well ... (half a million !).
Finally after months of hardwork and lots of coffee, the DotGNU Portable.Net
team have finally got to building their libraries on any platform they choose
to .. The so called "team" consists of lots of people , many of whom are
coincidentially named "Rhys Weatherly" . The compiler is not really a compiler
but more of a compiler shell ... So what we're really announcing is that our
C# frontend and IL backend are working well with each other .. We're still
playing around with JVM backends and planning a Parrot (of perl6 fame) backend.
And maybe if you want your favourite language X to be supported , you could
always write your own frontend (provided you are a CS student with a copy of
the dragon book & lots of free time, like yours truly) . The runtime is such
a similar flexible machinery which currently has only an IL frontend , but
well we could always add more ...
Now that we've got the distractions out of the way , let me tell you what's
so special about this release. The C# compiler frontend is 95% of the way ,
written in C and very fast too . So you could say we're finally free of any
dependency on ANY NON FREE TOOL . The runtime engine is also fast and can
be trimmed to operate in low memory conditions (as low as 2 MB) ...
Get the debian packages from
We have finally arrived as 100% free software ... we can build the entire
system with just the basic GNU tools and the release tarballs ...
Hoping that everyone understands why we have to keep MS honest about
C# and .NET ... Just hating its guts does not help too much to further
GNU ... Help us make DotGNU bigger, better and free !
It's had contributers from a number of students in India ... (eg , one
IISc guy is trying to port to IA-64) ... We're currently operating with
0 funding and volunteer contributions ... please lend a hand if you can.
Code contributions or packaging or testing is appreciated ... demo'ing
it at the LUGs is even more appreciated !..
The difference between insanity and genius is measured by success
so does an op-ed piece in the financial express today :)
From: Raju Mathur raju(a)linux-delhi.org
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:26:05 +0530
Subject: [ilugd]: TOI editorial plugs Linux
Today's TOI has a editorial piece on Microsoft that mentions Linux
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