Fsf-friends June 2004

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Re: [Fsf-friends] very poor image
by Dileep M. Kumar 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 04:53:59AM +0800, Anwar wrote: >Also till yesterday the site had a w3c html mark on it and the check >had showed it had 68 errors describing as not strict, while all the >others are described as not transitional, with the errors ranging >from 3-30. I am not not sure if a page could keep its w3c compliant >logo while having many transitional errors. Now www.gnu.org.in/index.html is valid xhtml 1.0 strict. refer http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gnu.org.in%2F Regarding the rest of the pages, I have created a template which is valid html 4.01. Once I get the page approved, every thing will be fine. In future also please send broken links and other corrections (or suggestions) to fsf-webmaster (fsf-webmaster(a)gnu.org.in). Regards -- .''`. Dileep M. Kumar <dileep(a)kumarayil.net> : :' : http://www.kumarayil.net `. `'` Mobile: 98474-47437 `- Debian GNU/Linux - Choice of the Freedom Lovers

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Re: [Fsf-friends] very poor image
by Anwar 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Refering to dileeps mail: I am the webmaster of FSF India website. Unfortunately I am not a good designer. Also I request you to carefully read the entire site before sending complaints. I am sure you haven't seen the site fully. IAC, you are the same person who send allegations about SMC project and then later regretted for doing so. First of all I am refering to the GNU Head logo that is present on fsf.org or gnu.org, I dont need to send it to you. Get it. Well I would say you are not a very good site designer. Also till yesterday the site had a w3c html mark on it and the check had showed it had 68 errors describing as not strict, while all the others are described as not transitional, with the errors ranging from 3-30. I am not not sure if a page could keep its w3c compliant logo while having many transitional errors. This is not my first mail about complaints about the website.Check http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-discuss/2004-March.txt.gz well I had recieved a mail from a guy from tifr claiming to be the site administrator saying that the problems I had pointed would be rectified. You might have also got the mail. I could see how bad you are when i pointed that the http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-*(discuss,friends,...) all had a link to http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/ , and the problem was rectified by creating another link to all the individual archives from http://fsf.org.in/mailinglists.html Well the thing is that there are other places that have link to individual mailing lists like fsf-friends. What you have done is not rectification but I could rather call it a detour to the archives so that you could hide the errors. Really bad. I think you dont know how to do it. How come the fsf keeps amateurs as its webmasters. Well I not saying that I am good because I dont know much about web designing, but I hate things that are done without perfection. About SMC I still dont regret it. Anu -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.hackermail.com Powered by Outblaze

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very poor image
by Anwar 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

Well since everyone is celebrating the anniversary of the fsf-india, why dont I too celebrate the Occassion. But Whats there to celebrate about the formation of a non profit organization working in India that doesnt even know what its purpose is ? I am refering to the official website of fsf-india. Is the fsf-india trying to hide the identity of what the Free Software Foundation began by Stallman was trying to do. The site mentions about advocating, promoting and propagating the use and development of swatantra software in India but nothing is told about the GNU Operating System and the GNU Project. Is that all what fsf-india is about, to promote and propagate. While the fsf.org has a mission to preserve, protect and promote the freedom to use, study, copy, modify, and redistribute computer software, and to defend the rights of Free Software users, the fsf.org.in only speaks of, is only a commitment. Then how come fsf-india has descided to help the sarovar in play-fair issue. There is a poor attempt from the site to promote Free Software and what freedom is all about. The site must either post more pages about GNU System and give more direct links to other places where users could get more information about what fsf-india is all about. The fsf-india is an emmissary of fsf. Then how come fsf shows itself as an indipendant organization adopting a different logo for its activities. The fsf-india didnt even bother to put up a GNU Head, the official logo of the Free Software Foundation anywhere on its site. It would have been better if the GNU Head was kept alog side the chakra. Its been three years and it seems that the fsf-india site is managed by a person who is illiterate about what freedom and free software foundation means. Is the fsf-india maintained by some site maintaining private company? Very poor image. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.hackermail.com Powered by Outblaze

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Raising levels
by Ramanraj K 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

Raising ridges raise water; Raising water raise crops; Raising crops raise the subjects; Raising subjects raise the king. That was the closest I could get to Avvayar's : Varappuyara Neer Uyarum; Neer Uyara Nel Uyarum; Nel Uyara Kudi Uyarum; Kudi Uyara Kon Uyarvaan. Regards, Ramanraj.

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News from the fields
by ramanraj＠vsnl.com 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

The "Madras Musings" issue dated June 16-30, has carried the following news, which should be noted by all those interested in egov: <quote> Palm leam records of significance were discovered at the Thanjavur Tamil University, documenting a British Survey of 2000 villages in a large area surrounding present day Chennai, a part of Thondamandalam. They indicated that between 1762 and 1766 there were villages which produced upto 12 tons of paddy a hectare - a level of productivity which is astounding and unachievable today even using the best of Green Revolution methods. The per capita food in this region of average fertility had been five times more than the average achieved at present. The secret of our forefathers' success - indigenous knowledge and traditional practices of water conservation! (Dakshinachitra News) </quote> A friend recently reminded me of the ancient wisdom: "Varappuyara Neer Uyarum,Neer Uyara Nel Uyarum, Nel Uyara Kudi Uyarum, Kudi Uyara Kon Uyarvaan" I guess no life threatening chloride based pesticides were used then, and also more fields under cultivation meant more evaporation of water and more rains too. How was the cycle broken and is it possible to return back to such times of plenty and prosperity? I hope egov experts can get the opportunity to analyse the historical records, and help us to return back to innocence. Regards, Ramanraj.

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Books and Ethics
by Vijay Kumar Bagavath Singh 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

Friends, I have long had this question in mind. Please help me out. Lawrence Lessig is a well known supporter of the free software movement. After all, he has joined the Board of Directors of the FSF. In the spirit of information sharing, shouldn't his books "CODE" and "the future of ideas" be free(as in freedom)? This happens with other people as well. For example Jessica Litman the author of the book "Digital Copyright", has not made the book free. I understand that, they have not published electronic versions of their book. But they do have excerpts for one or two chapters. I am not sure what kind of license they use for the book. I don't think the license is mentioned on the website.(Please correct me if I am wrong.) RMS, has always been very strict in this regard. All his essays, books, audio recordings and video clips - he has always made sure that they are made freely available. What I would like to know is, "Is it not ethically wrong, if an online version of a book is not made available?"(Especially when all books are typeset using computers, and all one has to do is upload the electronic version of the book to his website.) Vijay -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze

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Celebrating annual day of FSF India
by V. Sasi Kumar 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

Some of us in Thiruvananthapuram met on 6th evening and decided that we should celebrate the annual day of FSF India on July 21st. The group included Sathish Babu, M. Arun, V.K. Sajith and a few others. We are thinking of a one day programme that will include a public meeting, discussions and an exhibition. The exhibition will have posters on philosophy, posters on software and computers demonstrating different kinds of software. We hope that the function will draw some media attention and help in popularising Free Software. Applications like Blender, Gimp, OpenOffice and Scribus could attract both the public and media. An email discussion group, fsf-kerala(a)cc4.tifr.res.in, was also formed to discuss our activities, so that we could think of other activities in the future at Thiruvananthapuram, and also co-ordinate with people in other places who may be interested in conducting such programmes elsewhere. Any suggestions from members are welcome. -- V. Sasi Kumar <vsasi(a)hotpop.com>

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fsug-calicut@freelists.org;inquilab@yahoogroups.com; vimalekm@vsnl.net;kokul_k@yahoo.com;thomaspj@eudoramail.com
by Sajith VK 13 Jun '04

13 Jun '04

Hi all, Annual day of FSF India is on July 21st. We are planning of a one day programme that will include a public meeting, discussions and an exhibition. We hope that it can be a place for interaction between different free software promotion groups in kerala.. A mailing group, fsf-kerala(a)cc4.tifr.res.in, is formed to discuss activities and plan future plans in kerala. Please give your thoughts and suggestions on the event and what each of us can do for it.. -- "Freedom Matters" Sajith VK

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Announcing.. Planet FLOSS India
by Sayamindu Dasgupta 11 Jun '04

11 Jun '04

Announcing - Planet FLOSS India http://planet-india.randomink.org ************************************************************************* Planet FLOSS India is way for everyone to get an idea of what is happening in the world of Free/Libre/Open Source enthusiasts from India. It is a window into world, work and lives of FLOSS developers, contributors and users from India. Planet FLOSS India draws its inspirations from Planet GNOME, Planet Debian and the numerous other planets scattered throughout the world wide web. Planet FLOSS India is powered by "Planet", a RSS/RDF/whatnot feed aggregator. It works by downloading news feeds published by blogs and aggregates their content together into a single combined feed, latest entry first. Since it is just a simple aggregator, there is no scope for editorialising of content, and thus, the entries are not just about technology, but also about the lives and thoughts and opinions of the featured FLOSS'ers. If you are from India (you need not be physically present in India right now), and if you blog regularly, please get in touch with me (sayamindu(a)randomink.org). Your blog need not be entirely about FLOSS, we have no issues with you writing about your cat occasionally (heck! even I do it sometimes). :) To include you in the feed list, I would need an URL to your blog's XML feed, and your picture (optional, though highly recommended). Also, if you know someone who may be a likely candidate for inclusion in the Planet, please do let me know. -thanks- Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings]

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[Fwd]: please comply with standards
by Mahesh T. Pai 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

Any comments? ----- Forwarded message from "Mahesh T. Pai" <paivakil(a)vsnl.net> ----- > Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:46:31 +0530 > From: "Mahesh T. Pai" <paivakil(a)vsnl.net> > Subject: please comply with standards > To: contmngr-sfio(a)sb.nic.in > Message-ID: <20040609181631.GA5348(a)nandini.home> > > Dear Sir(s), > > This has reference to the home page of th Serious Fraud Investigation > Office, (http://www.sfio.nic.in/). > > The bottom of your page mentions that ``Site optimised for 800 X 600 > monitor resolution, java enabled, IE 4.0 or above.'' > > I feel that as an institution which has to interact with the public it > is most improper of you to `optimise' your pages for a browser for a > particular operating system. Firstly, it is in no way, > `optimisation'. You are simply using public funds for carrying > advertisement for a particular company. > > You ought be aware that the users of the world wide web use diverse > operating systems and browsers. In order to make things easier for > both developers and users of the internet, the W3C consortium (World > Wide Web Consortium) has laid down certain standards for web pages; > and it would have been appropriate for you to conform to those > standards. > > Also, you will appreciate that the Internet is a useful medium for > people with disabilities to communicate with the outside world, and > compliance with the W3C standards automatically ensures that people > with disabilities can access your site (for example, using a screen > reader). You will appreciate that as an organ of the government, and > an organisation discharging Sovereign functions, you have to adhere to > certain standards of fairness and propriety. > > In fact, on verification of your site, except for minor variations > which affect accessibility for the visually disabled, the pages are > by and large compliant to the W3C standard. What, then, is the > objective of recommending use of a specific browser? > > I hope that you will understand the issue in its proper perspective, > and ensure that your pages fully conform to W3C standards and further, > remove references to specific brands of browsers. > > Hoping early compliance with this request, > > Thanking You, > Sincerely Yours, > > Mahesh T. Pai, > Advocate, `Nandini', > SRM Road, Cochin - 682018. > Kerala State. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Mahesh T. Pai <<>> http://paivakil.port5.com Encryption: A powerful algorithmic encoding technique employed in the creation of computer manuals.

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