Fsf-friends March 2005

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mono business
by balachandran c 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

What is your opinion about mono? Is it advisable to suggest mono based applications to my friends? Should friends help friends install beagle or tomboy? bala.

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Patents can Kill People
by Venkat Kumaraswamy 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Email:cpim@vsnl.com Communist Party of India (Marxist) A.K. Gopalan Bhawan 27-29, Bhai Vir Singh Marg, New Delhi 110 001 Tel. (91-11) 23344918, 23363692, 23747435/36 fax: (91-11) 23747483 Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar(a)bravegnu.org> wrote: Ramanraj K writes: > http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=65640 > > Please post any links, articles, views or opinions that could help in > voicing our concern against the proposed drastic amendments to the > Patents Act. Are we not too late? If not, can we write to the CPI(M) about this? There have been articles about the Patents Ordinance in People's Democracy(Weekly magazine of CPI(M)). They are the only ones(among political parties) who seem to be concerned about this. http://pd.cpim.org/2005/0130/01302005_snd.htm http://pd.cpim.org/2005/0227/02272005_patent%20ordinance.htm http://pd.cpim.org/2005/0130/01302005_dsf.htm Vijay _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

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Watz ur GNu Quotient
by Ankit Malik 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Watz ur GNU Quotient? Check it out @ http://scribbler.tk [my blog] and find out your GNU Quotient /score ! Feedback solicited! thanks -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk "How would it feel if i stole your car in the morning and return it after 3-4 days? STOP PIRACY! Use GNU/ Linux instead!"

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No Patents Please
by Ankit Malik 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Patents are a devious tool to harm developing countries' development. Not only will patents harm software; but will also lead to rise in prices of medicines. [Read further for more info] What you can do ? a) Post this on your blog/website too if you have one b) Email this to as many people as you know c) Email to the Editor of various magazines, newspapers that we don't want patents d) Email to the President of India and any political party in India who has an email Why are patents bad ? Below are some medicines whose cost are given as follows (In India in Rupees) [In US in Rupees] SYPROFLOCSACIN (29 Rupees) (2353 Rupees) DYCHLOPHYNAC (4 Rupees) [675 Rupees] These are just two examples. Wondering why medicines are SO cheap in India? This is because India had a big pharmaceutical industry. They can produce drugs at a fraction of the cost at what Merck wants to sell them for. Infact the drug prices are way lower in India than in Pakistan next door because India happened to develop its own pharmaceutical industry. The American Corporations don't like that .They want more children to die in India. They want more profit; which means more children die in India. They want to make sure that India doesn't produce drugs costing less than the American counterparts. Now this is done in two ways under GATT. One way is to increase the length of patents. The other is to change their character from Process Patent to Product Patent. The thing that made American prices higher is now put up as an Ordinance in India. It is being considered in next Session of our Parliament. So we need to ACT now before it is too late, before we will need to burn our pocket before even buying a tablet of Disprin or the like. Please follow the actions as mentioned above to spread this fact among as many people, so that this Bill is not passed. Maybe, the legislature will listen… But let us try our best. -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk

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Something About SLYNUX
by Sarath Lakshman 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Dear Friends, I got so many appreciative and some opposive mails about My SLYNUX ( Remaster of knoppix). Among them, I got some mails from FSF people. They claimed that �There is nothing new in SLYNUX when compared to knoppix� . Partially I also agree with the statement�.But everyone should understand the reason and themes behind SLYNUX�.It�s target is not new markets..like MS. I never claimed that I have made an OS. Actually, the thing behind SLYNUX is: I am very much interested in GNU/Linux. It was my first experience before 1 year I tried out Redhat 7 for the first time. I myself installed it�then I was a windows user. First of all � My attraction was captured on it�s GUI. I felt it was nice. I didn�t know any shell comments or other functions in Gnu/Linux that time. My only tool was mouse pointer�like windows I used it. At that time I thought that all windows program can b executed in Linux. Also thought that Fat32 FS will not work in GNU/Linux. After 2 days I tried to remove Redhat..because I disappointed abt that �I can�t use Linux for my use�. There was no mp3 support and no video player in it. So I left Linux OS. I removed the installed boot loader (GRUB) by over writing it with re-installing windows. This experience�resulted me in search of a user friendly Linux. At that time I didn�t have an internet connection. So there were limitations for collecting knowledge about Linux. One of the FSF friends reviewed about �www.slcreations.g3z.com� (U will get this link from www.slynux.co.nr) that the content in that site is invalid and foolish. Actually that site was created by me when I was in 8th Standard�when I was a newbie in Computer field. (I was wanted to know how websites are created. So using some templates I created the website and wrote funny and foolish things in that site. Some sentences. like �SL e- Periodic table came in to the market.) I have developed a software called E � Periodic Table�But it was freeware and never came to the market..At the time I created this html page..I didn�t know what is FSF and didn�t heard about it. In my locality (Mahe; Near Tellicherry) No one used Linux and any one didn�t know something about Linux or FS in my knowledge. Some of them heard about �Linux�. That�s all. Some of the computer shops had Redhat. And they thought that there is only one Linux � Redhat. Before 11 months I got Knoppix 3.1 from a man studying in engg college (In Yanam). I became much interested in knoppix and tried out. I gave copies of knoppix to my friends. They used it for 5 or 6 days and said ��What Linux? Even we can�t use it friendly..No one didn�t understand the program names.� I gave awareness to my friends about Linux�.They became bored about hearing my philosophy. After getting internet connection, I came to know more about Linux and Knoppix. I decided to make a user favourable Remaster of Knoppix with a lot of features. I tried to learn shell commands�.. For creating SLYNUX, I had spent most of night ( about to 3.30 A.M) for months for getting my effort to a success�.In some days of a little bit success�I had jumped with glad. � Advanced users of Linux will not understand the problems faced by common windows users who tried out Linux and disappointed�.Because they have a wide possibility of getting info abt Linux ( Through LUGs, FSF community etc). But common users are left non-techy..and they will not spend the time for experimentation in Linux to learn it. I know it from experience� (especially People in Mahe). I am sure that more and more people can switch to Linux easily using SLYNUX. ( I recommend SLYNUX only for beginners). Common People can also install SLYNUX easily through some clicks� I have now lots of ideas to make SLYNUX more and more user friendly�I have some ideas to develop a distro from scratch independly from knoppix..(using a different compression method) as someone commented that SLYNUX cannot be considered as a distro)� I have only a 14.4 kbps internet�.(phone bills..r not affordable now a days) I have some plans to create an LUG in Mahe. Hope that FSF will help me.. I request FSF friends to continue sending opinions about �SYNUX� or give advices to make it better.. What Changes I have to make in SLYNUX Website? (www.slynux.co.nr) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I�m now studying 10th Standard (SCERT syllabus)�.After my Exams I could spend more time on Linux. ---------------MY ULTIMATE AIM IS TO FAMILIARISE GNU/LINUX--------------------------- Regards:- SarathLakshman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Looking for a GNULinComPC
by Ankit Malik 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Hi One of the problems with GNU/Linux h/w compatibility which is due to some h/w developers who think that their users run only some crap Windoze OS. Now I am contemplating upgrading my PC [whole PC minus KVM] but i want all the stuff to be linux...err.. gnu/linux compatible. what i am looking @ > A New MoBo > A New Cabinet > 256 MB RAM or MoBo which supports my existing SDRAM and shud also support NEW DDRAM too ;-) > 80 GB HDD > DVD Reader The New MoBo should have AGP Slot [ I already own an AGP Graphics card], PCI Slots [3-4],, Onboard Sound, USB with slots in the front of the cabinet. and yeah intel pentium IV with ghz > 2.5 OR And yeah all of it GNU/LINUX COMPATIBLE. is there any system assembler out there living in south delhi who can help me build such a system? my budget is @ the max 12K to 14K -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk "How would it feel if i stole your car in the morning and return it after 3-4 days? STOP PIRACY! Use GNU/ Linux instead!"

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RE: [Fsf-friends] Something About SLYNUX
by Sharma. Vishal 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Quite intriguing - 13 unlucky -well i'm born on 13 as well :( Anyway lets not get away from the real topics Vishal -----Original Message----- From: fsf-friends-bounces(a)mm.gnu.org.in on behalf of Ankit Malik Sent: Sun 3/6/2005 8:08 PM To: Principal Support List of FSF-India Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Something About SLYNUX what does top posting mean? err... btw regarding that 13thingie, actually GMAIL lists all the emails and its replies in the form of a conversation. so the conversation starts from 1 to 2 and so on.. so that conversation was the 13th one and that sounds unlucky ;-) so i posted a blank thread to make the no. of conversations to 14. sounds superstitous? sure it does! :D cheers On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:29:35 +0530, Anurag <anurag(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in> wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:35:14 +0530, "Ankit Malik" <ankitmalik(a)gmail.com> > said: > > 13 is an unlucky number... so posting the 14th thread to this post :) > > > > > > What does this mean? > Please do not top post. Top posting messes up the archives of our > mailing list. > > Anurag > > -- > ----------------------------------------------- > __ __ > gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. > (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix. > > _______________________________________________ > Fsf-friends mailing list > Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > -- _______________________ Ankit Malik http://scribbler.tk _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends

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Battle for the developer's mind?
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

What seems to be a very significant flame-war has broken out at the Linux-Bangalore mailing list, involving a Microsoft-influenced "focus group" that is keen to study how Free/Libre and Open Source Software (FLOSS) works. This was the initial posting that came from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/message/4789 and had this to say: > From: Swaroop C H <swaroop@s...> > Date: Wed Mar 2, 2005 3:39 pm > Subject: Want to talk to Microsoft (India) about Linux? > Hi, > Are there any students on this list? If so, and you are interested > to have a discussion with Microsoft about Linux and why OSS rocks or > just plain want to tell MS why they suck, then please reply me > off-list. > For more details, please see http://lfg2005.cjb.net/ > P.S. I don't work for MS. I work for Y! and I'm very much a OSS > person. No flames, please. > Thanks, > ===== > Swaroop C H > Blog: http://www.swaroopch.info > Book: http://www.byteofpython.info Atul Chitnis' reply is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/ message/4799 It raises a number of issues, one of which is: > Before anyone gets majorly excited here... > The actual URL of this page is > http://linuxpaneldiscussion.europe.webmatrixhosting.net/ > Why is this buried in a frame like that? And why is there no actual > reference to this event on the Microsoft site? A hotmail email address as > a contact address? In fact the Microsoft connection is *buried* there, as > if someone is deliberately trying to hide it, making Sheila Gulatti almost a > visiting guest speaker. > I did some digging, and sure enough, here we go: > http://groups.msn.com/BDotNETStudent In another post, the students organising this event vouch for their independence. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/ message/4813 Atul comments elsewhere (message 4799): > Microsoft has been trying to chip away at the interest and goodwill that > Linux and FOSS have been building up in the student community for many > years (remember MS speakers at LB?), and what better way to identify who > the "afflicted" ones are by getting them to come and and reveal themselves > in public by speaking about Linux and Open Source? Another post comments: > Thirdly, you probably have not had as much exposure to Microsoft tactics > as many of us have, so you probably do not know *how* you are influenced. > For that matter, neither do I. But when a company goes around in schools > and colleges and establishes a formal "ambassador" system that is > primarily aimed at influencing others, then please pardon me when I yell > "Hey, Redmond, leave our schools alone!". :) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/message/4815 Leocool wrote further: > call it a marketing gimmick if you must, but at end of > the day we students are not idiots to be Pied-Pipered into something > we dont wanna be doing. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/message/4817 Surprise, surprise... Atul says he traced this "student's" tracks right back to Redmond: > Please examine the headers of "Leo"'s message carefully. > Pay attention to the X-Originating-IP header and the address shown there: > X-Originating-IP: 207.46.50.70 > A quick whois reveals this: > $ whois 207.46.50.70@w... > [Querying whois.arin.net] > [whois.arin.net] > OrgName: Microsoft Corp > OrgID: MSFT > Address: One Microsoft Way > City: Redmond > StateProv: WA > PostalCode: 98052 > Country: US http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/message/4818 FN

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RMS on Intellectual Property
by Vivek Vaghese Cherian 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Hello, RMS on Intellectual Property. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.xhtml -- Vivek Varghese Cherian Free as in Freedom <www.gnu.org>

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Re: Something About SLYNUX - Demo+key+SL Eperiodic
by Sarath Lakshman 05 Mar '05

05 Mar '05

Dear friends, i'm very sorry about it. The site 'www.slcreations.g3z.com' was created by me when I was in 8th Standard as a joy. At that time i didn't know about free software and i even hadn't heard about FSF that time. Then I was a windows user. it was the time i was trying 2 learn VB and created a periodic table software. When I was studying in 8th standard, I got an idea to make a website ( I hadn't an internet connection that time) I just tried 2 make a site for understanding how to make a site. when I got internet connection, I uploaded that web to a freehost. Listen the quote in the wesite (" We provide you the best customer service as we can. This is a free software provider. We give you different and different software. We release software per month. The latest software we released is SL E- PeriodicTable.(See products). Our slogan is technology changes day by day. So the software will become free software. You should write to me about our site and products. You can freely install demo version of the software from downloads. After installing you will get serial number from the author, SarathLakshman by a request e-mail.") these are some statements just i kept in the website to fill the home page. there is no download link to get SL e - periodic table. did u see download page ? there is the free serial No of SL - E- periodic table.. please see that.. actually my learning method is learning by doing: inorder to learn vb i made this software. and i also wanted to know how shareware versions are created? so i made a shareware version( With Serial No: "ISLEPT2K31" of e-periodic table. I gave this software for free to everyone who asked for the copy and so many students are satisfied. I have given this software to IT@school 4 including in resource CD. It is full version.. And i gave all people -the full version. "At the time of developing e- periodic table, i only heard Linux, then i thought that Linux is a very dificult computer language !!" After hosting i didn't update the site later... So please don't think that i'm following propritory. At the time of hosting that site, there was no visitors for that site... IF U want SL e-Periodic table, i can send it 2 u. Aftr my exams i will update that site with necessary changes. thank u all...... Sarath Lakshman --- vishravars Ramasubramanian <vishrav_r(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote: > Hi Sarath , > I just need a small clarification from you. You said > you support Free Software and you have also said > that > you totally support free s/w in the link > http://www.slynux.co.nr/ > > But one small doubt i have. > > Why is the sentence -> You can freely install demo > version of the software from downloads. After > installing you will get serial number from the > author, > SarathLakshman by a request e-mail. > Which you have given in the link > http://www.slcreations.g3z.com/ > If i am right i think it is for SL E-Periodic. > > I think this is M$ way of doing things... and i have > seen many freedom lovers hating such sentences > > Could you please explain me the reason why such > method > being followed ? > > Cheers > Vishravars.R > > http://vishravars.blogspot.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fsf-friends mailing list > Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in > http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

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