---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Anivar Aravind anivar.aravind@gmail.com Date: २००७ जून ८ १२:२७ Subject: [smc-discuss] Re: [Debian-in-workers] Red Hat signs MoU with Kerala govt To: debian-in-workers@lists.alioth.debian.org, smc-discuss@googlegroups.com
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This mail seems that you are more focused on claims to kep ur ego than the facts . I dont want to continue this non productive discussion based on your articulated views with a lot of misconceptions. It only serves your ego. I dont want to spam Others in this list. This will be my last to this Thread in this list
Mahesh T. Pai wrote:
Anivar Aravind said on Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 12:27:46AM +0530,:
Apart from Arun's ``I say so'', what are these statistics based on?
http://www.hindu.com/2006/05/08/stories/2006050811430400.htm
I am very much afraid that this article, or Biju Prabhakar's views do not reflect the ground realities.
Still u your rabbit has 3 hones. "Ground realities" are related to the ground. not your mind.
(That article coincides with the day my kid was born, so I believe I missed it).
The next question is probably off topic for this list and thread - the URL says that the FSF India created the CD for IT@SCHOOL project; but my understanding is that space-kerala.org is doing it. Which is true?
That is the Problem with Your understanding It is well Written every CD's of IT@school & On Readme Files. If you ever seen a CD you can understand that And I already posted the following URL here earlier http://www.edugrid.in/webfolder/download/schoolGnu/README.html
BTW Did u seen http://support.space-kerala.org/wiki/index.php/School_GNU_Linux_FAQ And http://support.space-kerala.org/wiki/index.php/School_GNU_Linux_Tips Before making authoritative comments?
Which still does not answer my question -- ``where does the government say that it is using free software in the IT@SCHOOL project?''
Dont try to manipulate questions. This was in answer to
<quote> And there is nothing - absolutely nothing -- on space-kerala.org or it@school website or KSITM (kerala state IT Mission) website to provide continued support for the kind of roll out required now. </quote>
So From where your new "my question" appeared? The Lawyers are infamous for quoting outof context in courts. But In Email lists It will not work everytime
Some years back, a government agency started packaging a version of GNU Linux for the IT@SCHOOL project. One fine morning, it was splashed all over the Malayalam language news papers that IT@SCHOOL is going to violating some ``intellectual property'' if it goes ahead with the proposed CD.
There was a big song and dance by so many so many of ``community leaders'' about IT@SCHOOL violating the sanctity of rights. The community, instead of helping the government agency to fix the problems took care to give that project (and the government agency behind it) a bad name.
You still running on out of memory. It was about RedHAT based custom Distribution for Akshaya Project created by CDIT, a quasi-govt institute. Please Dont FUD
Few months later, IT@SCHOOL gave the contract to building the cd for IT@SCHOOL to the community.
FUD Happens!!! Again & Again
This happened a few months before you became involved with Free
Software (at least, actively on the internet).
You are not the person for counting my involvement in free software. You can say that it may be sometimes before we met. I am a GNU/User atleast before 2 years before that. The same with "Active in Internet" Clause too
That scenario is repeating now. Probably there is something wrong with the MoU (I cannot identify it yet). And the community, instead of working the persons involved, is giving the MoU a bad name.
The issues here are 1. The MoU is not published so far & It is happened in a non-transparent manner. 2. If It is a decision affecting the society( specifically on IT@school case) , It must be decided with proper consultations with all civil society Stakeholders ( Teachers Orgaisations, students, & free Software community ) associated with that Project.
This MoU deserves a bad name because of it is an Untransperent undemocratic decision
Probably, the community wants to retain the contracts from the IT@SCHOOL project?
FUD again!! You are trying to link up the concerns of Free software Community to Money Matters and undermining the concerns by putting the money on top of that. Which completely not relevant here.
Quite fine with me if you do not take any mone from the IT@SCHOOL project directly. That means, on government's records, you are not involved with the project. Therefore, the government is perfectly justified is not consulting you before entering into the MoU.
Money Decides everything in your point of view. govt is much better in this case. earlier they called up volunteers for GNU/Linux in District level . That list is available with schools itself.
I pointed It above On the second issue. Consultation with all civil society stakeholders associated with any project before taking decisions must be a mandate of Free software Community.
The model systems & laws are already there on non-digital world. Before planning Big Projects that affect lives & livelihood of people there must be Public hearing based on an Environment Impact Assesement. We are demanding the same in Digital Era. Just see a similar demand by Fisherfolks (I got it right now) http://www.petitiononline.com/cmz/petition.html
That is why I repeatedly say, do not work for the government free of cost. Do any work free of cost for the government free of cost, and you can be assured that it will go down the town/village/district drain.
The Free software adoption of IT@school was not a boon given by Government. It was a civil society campaign for Essential freedoms in Computing Led by Various Individuals & Groups (including KSTA, FSF-I etc). Who pays for the campaign?
Free Software Adoption in schools helped them (at least in my village) to link it up the expertise in society in a major way. In Kerala scenario Schools & Libraries are the social space in which people meet & discuss. This helped a lot of people to adopt free software (and a lot of people bought new systems too) and a lot of youth (who came out from schools) become free software users. Free software exits in society because of its strong social linkages. That society will surely support a free software developer for developing the solution they want. I am not subscribing ur "drain" theory on market equations
Free software is not free masala dosa.
I agree. Both r different. But is not only regarding cost. One is to finish your Thirst for freedom & other is an optional and need is related to the conditions of your stomach
This is a usual problem for people thinking in Terms of Market & Money than Social Means of work. We work for Free Software & language Computing Mainly Because of Thinking Social Benefits of It. The social cause is the motivating factor here. Not Money. We know that people will support us too if we can address the social needs.
Anivar, I know that you do not care much about money. But, do not deny that you were involved with the space-kerala.org / FSF India. When you criticise actions by the government [apparently] in favour of Free software, but against the existing interests which support the present day activities of the governments, I will need to scrutinise your claims very closely.
FSF India & space-kerala are not a part of the state. Those are civil society organisations. So how it matters!!..
Self Scrutinising will be also good at this moment I feel.
If you have not been financially involved with the space-kerala.org and / or FSF India, I apologise about the money part, else my statements stand.
I am not getting your point. I professionally Involved with FSF-I & SPACE . Apologies accepted.
But dont try to put mud on Organisations & People working to promote free software in the state on behalf of your undisclosed Personal agenda's or interests.
- -- Anivar Aravind moving Republic Peringavu.P.O Thrissur-18 Kerala http://anivar.movingrepublic.org/about
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