Refering to dileeps mail: I am the webmaster of FSF India website. Unfortunately I am not a good designer. Also I request you to carefully read the entire site before sending complaints. I am sure you haven't seen the site fully. IAC, you are the same person who send allegations about SMC project and then later regretted for doing so.
First of all I am refering to the GNU Head logo that is present on fsf.org or gnu.org, I dont need to send it to you. Get it.
Well I would say you are not a very good site designer. Also till yesterday the site had a w3c html mark on it and the check had showed it had 68 errors describing as not strict, while all the others are described as not transitional, with the errors ranging from 3-30. I am not not sure if a page could keep its w3c compliant logo while having many transitional errors.
This is not my first mail about complaints about the website.Check http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-discuss/2004-March.txt.gz
well I had recieved a mail from a guy from tifr claiming to be the site administrator saying that the problems I had pointed would be rectified. You might have also got the mail.
I could see how bad you are when i pointed that the http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-*(discuss,friends,...) all had a link to http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/ , and the problem was rectified by creating another link to all the individual archives from http://fsf.org.in/mailinglists.html Well the thing is that there are other places that have link to individual mailing lists like fsf-friends. What you have done is not rectification but I could rather call it a detour to the archives so that you could hide the errors. Really bad. I think you dont know how to do it.
How come the fsf keeps amateurs as its webmasters. Well I not saying that I am good because I dont know much about web designing, but I hate things that are done without perfection.
About SMC I still dont regret it.
Anu
Anwar wrote:
but I hate things that are done without perfection.
Anwar, please don't hate _yourself_. Improvement is possible only with sincere efforts.
I just start reading "The King's English", by H.W. Fowler, available at http://www.bartleby.com/116/ and find it very interesting and useful.
Fowler begins the book with the statement: "ANY one who wishes to become a good writer should endeavour, before he allows himself to be tempted by the more showy qualities, to be direct, simple, brief, vigorous, and lucid. "
Studying Fowler should help to write delightful and meaningful articles which are worthy of sharing with others. Browsers and other computer programs are lucky not to suffer pain when they read malformed articles, but please, give us a chance to alleviate our pains. __
Anwar said on Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 04:53:59AM +0800,:
FSF India website. Unfortunately I am not a good designer.
Anwar, FSF-I is a voluntary organisation. _before_ you make public statements about volunteers' abilities. You would be justified if you had made an alternative _suggestions_ to solve this issue. True, you raised a complaint that has apparently not been rectified, but did you provide a solution?
If you do not have a solution, do _NOT_ talk about individuals' abilities. Confine your complaint to the institution.
Also till yesterday the site had a w3c html mark on it
Yes, you definitely have a point here; the -web archives show that at least 3 people have pointed out that the pages are _not_ W3C compliant. If W3C compliance was a problem we ought to have removed the logo from the non-compliant pages. But can somebody come up with a W3C compliant html template, a w3c compliant css and a sensible directory heerarchy for the FSF pages so that webmasters' lives is made easier?
http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-*(discuss,friends,...) all had a link to http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/
(This leaves me scratching my head ....) I think these pages are autogenerated by mailman. IIRC, we had upgraded mailman sometime back. AFAIK, GNUmailman has some problems importing the settings for an already installed version. Nagarjun did ask for help with some issues sometime back; but do not know if this particular issue is related.
Well the thing is that there are other places that have link to individual mailing lists like fsf-friends. What you have done is not rectification but I could rather call it a detour to the archives so that you
Mmmm... do not seem to be multiple symlinks, but contain same info, it seems.
How come the fsf keeps amateurs as its webmasters.
coz. we all are amateurs at one time or other. And volunteers for the GNU always.
Well I not saying that I am good because I dont know much about web designing, but I hate things that are done without perfection.
Not even god is perfect. If god was perfect, man would not have been so imperfect.
Imperfections are natural outcome of being human. The solution is give us concrete suggestions. Sans suggestions, at least do not cast aspersions on individuals who are contributing their mite.
It would be a different case if you had provided solutions which were turned down.
Ask not what FSF can do for you. Tell us what you can do for the GNU.
On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 02:23, Anwar wrote:
I could see how bad you are when i pointed that the http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-*(discuss,friends,...) all had a link to http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/ , and the problem was rectified by creating another link to all the individual archives from http://fsf.org.in/mailinglists.html
All the mailing lists were directed to http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail possibly because the variable <MM-Archive> on the template expanded to that value. I guess this is a bug with mailman. Presently I have manually inserted the correct destination on all the pages. Now the archives are directed properly.
Thanks for reminding.
How come the fsf keeps amateurs as its webmasters. Well I not saying that I am good because I dont know much about web designing, but I hate things that are done without perfection.
FSF-India keeps only volunteers to run the organization. We have no resources to buy services. But, buying service doesn't always mean perfection, and voluntary job doesn't always mean imperfection either.
And whenever you notice something wrong, do let us know. Feedback is very important to reach perfection.
Nagarjuna
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