Re: [Fsf-friends] [Vivara] Re: [ilug-tvm] Re: [Vivara] Re: [smc-discuss] Re: Fwd: [ATPS] Website inaugurated - Fsf-friends

30 Sep 2008

2008/9/29 Anilkumar KV &lt;anilankv(a)gmail.com&gt;om>:

Anil,

This would be my last mail on my thread. As Arun said on fsf-friends,
lets wait for the official position of the FSF India.

...
  2008/9/29 Praveen A &lt;pravi.a(a)gmail.com&gt;

 Kiran Chandra's active role in organising the event will not count? Or
 are you claiming Kiran Chandra did not take leadership in organising
 the event? 

     Yes, Kiran Chandra had involved in organising the Hyderabad event. In
 fact he was the main organiser of that event. He had involved in it as an
 activists of swetcha.in, and not in his capacity as FSF-India director. The
 Organisers of Kochi event are constantly in touch with Kiran and other
 organisers of Hyderabad event, and it is as per their decision, Kerala and
 subsequently Kochi was selected as the venue for the second meet. The
 organisers in Kochi has been now assigned to organise  the next meet as a
 result of the discussion which Hyderabad organisers initiated. 
I was not aware that Kiran was not representing FSF India but just
Swecha. This was the major reason for my confusion. But isn't Swetcha
a project by FSF AP? (Swecha.org has FSF Andhra Pradesh written below
the logo). I am curious why FSF India was not involved in organising
this time when one of its board of directors was actively involved in
organising both events.

...

 'm amazed at the tone of the organizers
 of this event in discredit the FSF India's role of supporting the Free
 Software community for such a long time and also discrediting the role
 played by many individuals in the Free Software community by claiming
 the only effort to promote Free Software happened was last year in
 Hyderabad. Now the concerns are getting even beiiger about the motives
 of the organisers about this event. 
    As far as I know, none of the mails from Kochi organisers had any
 intention to denounce or discredit activities undertaken by any other free
 software organisers or activists. If you sensed like that, please let me
 know, corrective action is always ensured. No where it is claimed by any of
 the Kochi organisers that efforts to promote Free Software happened last
 year. 
I was referring to the claim by the organisers that the only National
Level conference on Free Software after FSF India formed was the
Hyderabad event. I felt it was discrediting the efforts of so many of
the events that happened in time time. I hope the organisers would
acknowledge the contributions of other events and communities in
helping promote Software Freedom.

...

    In fact it is your message that is making confusion among the free
 software friends, which comes without collecting actual facts. You could
 have at least get information from Kiran before you accusing the Kochi
 organisers. Please confirm with him whether the proposed Kochi event have
 any legacy of Hyderabad event. 
I am sorry for creating this confusion. I was not expecting an FSF
India board member leading a Free Software conference not in his
capacity as a FSF India representative. I was also mistaken that
Swecha is not independent of FSF AP. Thanks for all the
clarifications. It helps to keep things in perspective.

...

 Why would they not consult with the community?
 Why would they discredit Free Software community's efforts for such a long
 time?
 Why would they be blind to so many of the Free Software conferences
 that has happened and happening all over the country? 

 The assumptions prompted you to ask these questions itself is based on wrong
 facts. Hence they stands void.

 I would like to know who suggested not to involve the orginal
 organisers and who suggested the name? 
 Nobody suggested any exclusions. In fact there is no exclusions indented at
 all. The organisers of of the Hyderabad event are part of the decision by
 which the next venue and organisers are selected.

 This is the whole problem. Free Software community does not work this way.
 This is like telling Linus Torvalds that he can join hacking the Linux
 kernel by a newbie without any clue about the Linux kernel. 
 You feel it as a problem because you still assume that FSF-India organised
 the Hyderabad event, which is not true.

 Your interpretation  with example is also wrong due to your ignorance on
 organisers of Hyderabad event. It may more resembles on seeking support from
 Linus, or whoever it may be, for a second stage of a project,  for which he
 has extended support for the first stage.

  I'm expressing the concerns of the Free
Software community in a manner
 that is common in the community. We always raise our objections in
 public mailing lists. 
 Ok.  I appreciate your spirit, however whenever such concern arises please
 confirm the base facts with the concerned, otherwise it will create unwanted
 confusion among the Free Software community.

 Even then to clear these confusions, let FSF-India directors or secretary
 respond to this debate. 
OK. Lets wait and see what is the official response of FSF India. I
apologise for any confusions I have created because of my
misunderstandings about Kiran Chandra's role in organising Hyderabad
event.

I hope the suggestions are taken positively and I wish all the best
for the event.

Cheers
Praveen
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