On the whole, it appears that press is report is presented without a good
research.
1) The Report was HIGHLY misleading to the general public.
2) A highly inadequate research had been done by the author/editor of that
paper.
3) Incomplete information; half side of the story presented to the public.
We need to inform the newindpress editor, regarding the mistakes they have
made and see through that it is corrected.
I have sent a mail yesterday itself and dunno how responsive/responsible
newindpress will be.
Senthil
> Got the news from Arun,that CDIT used RH 8.0 with some additional packages
> added and used the RH Logo.
> Hence,the case.
>
> > Did it publish its own CDs and used RH logo? or copied/distributed RH
> > enterprise linux software?
>
> They used RedHat 8, initially. They made packages which looked like
> RedHat packages. With redhat trademarked logo. In contained some
> additional stuff, on the same CDs or separate CD in the same package.
Another point to note here is that the redhat logos were not used on the CD's which hold the additional packages. The logo was used only on RedHat linux9 Cd's. No additional packages were include in the Cd's printed with RedHat Linux or RedHat Logo. The additional softwares provided on the additional CD is completely distribution independent. They can be compiled and installed on any distribution.
Also in the RedHat's Trademark Guidelines it is said clearly that
"If you are an educational institution, a not-for-profit organization, a user group, or an individual affiliated with or employed by any of those organizations, Red Hat grants you a trademark license with respect to the RED HAT mark for use with the non-commercial redistribution of Red Hat® Linux® in the form you electronically downloaded it from our FTP site or other authorized electronic download sites or as copied from an original disk from Red Hat or its authorized distributors (either from the boxed set or delivered directly to you by Red Hat or an authorized distributor)."
As Cdit prepared the CDs , it is the distributor and CDIT has done without accepting any fee for the OS CDs. It is clear that the purpose was non-commercial and again I affirm that Akshaya project is a non-commercial community project
>From this its evident that eventhough the logo is printed there is no infringement of copyright law.
The completely tailored reports in the Indian Express and Kerala Kaumudi were the bye-product of the microsoft lobby which is playing all kinds of game to topple the "Free Software" initiative. They are trying to misguide the government. In this context we have to consider the Panchayath computerisation projects which the govt decided to implement using Microsoft platform.
Manilal
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Hi,
The popular malayalam computer magazine, ITLokham
has called for a discussion on about "free softwares".
The editorial of the current issue says
Computer users are still in confusion about switching to
Free softwares. So we wish to start a discussion on this.
Please send us your comments. If your suggestion can be a
torch for the still confused users,we are glad to act as
a medium for it
The current issue contains two article about free softwares.
One is the translation of RMS's "Can you trust your computer",
(Translation by me). Another article is by Mr. Subodkumar Fadke,
modular Infotech pune. He argues that "Anything that is available
free is bad". He compares free softwares with clock he got free
with a fridge he bought!. (He dontknow anything about issue of
freedom at all!!!).
I dont think there is any meaning in responding to the meaningless
article by Fudke. But we need to respond to the initiative of the
magazine to start a discussion about the free software. The audiance
of the magazine is mainly High school and Highersecondary teachers
(and students).
Please send your comments to the editor,
<sidharthan at itlokhammonthly dot com>. It will have some
impact on the decision several persons to try GNU/Linux
Sajith VK
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I admit that the Logo is printed on the CD. The CD's are issued by the CDIT to ITM but not to the public.
Then how did the Indian Express people came to know the issue.
It's clear that Akshaya project is non-comercial project. If the logo issue is solved then what is the problem with distributing the CD's? But the newspaper has not quoted the logo issue, instead they are focussing on "mass copying". Which is allowed by the GPL and RedHat. Then Why these people(Indian Express and Keralakaumudi) are trying this way. They are also trying to link this issue with FRIENDS which is absolutely unnecessary.
Manilal
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From: Sajith VK <sajithvk(a)hotpop.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:53:16 +0000
To: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in
Subject: RE: [Fsf-friends] Indian Express
> On ബു, 2003-12-24 at 06:32, Manilal K M wrote:
> > Arun had absolutely gone wrong. The OS used is RH Linux 9.
> Yes, OS is redhat 9.0. And Redhats logo is printed
> on the CD.As far as I know, Redhat 9.0 License doesnot allow this,
> but fedora License do.
> The real question is, is it a "COMMERCIAL REDISTRIBUTION" or
> not. Let someone else answer it.
>
> Kerala IT mission and CDIT(?) was clearly informed about the issue.
> So it was up to them to take necessary steps.
>
> But I do belive that there is "someone else" is playing behind the issue
> whose actual aim is to block the use of Free softwares in
> Akshaya project, and other IT related projects in kerala. They
> are trying to say "Even free softwares are not free in all case".
> This may result in unwanted confusion on common free software users.
> Let's take necessary action to avoid this confussion.
Here comes the point ....
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Hello,
Another news clipping: it's in Malayalam so ensure that you have the correct fonts.I couldn't find any english version of the news
http://keralakaumudi.com/news/122403M/a_ker1.stm
This malayalam newspaper had again harassed the issue? They are trying to relate it with FRIENDS. Why are they doing such an attempt? It's clear that someone is trying to play a fowl game on behalf of linux.
It is said in the article that the CD's are being commercially distributed. I don't understand what is the commercial value behind the Akshaya project.It's also clear that somebody has mislead the newspaper.
The Free Software community should note that this is not the case of mere "infringement of copyright law" as you say. It'll bring down the image of Free Software in the community. People(i mean the common man not techies) will be afraid in using free software. There will be a bad notion that Free software is not at all different from proprietary software.
with regards
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Hello everybody,
I wish to share with you a news snippet. The New Indian Express had declared RedHat Linux as a Proprietary software.
Ref: http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IER20031223001556&Page=R&Title=…
It is said in the EULA of RedHat Linux that "Most of the Linux
Programs are licensed pursuant to an open source EULA that permits you
to copy, modify, and redistribute the software, in both source code and
binary code forms."
But Indian Express had declared, quoting some official sources that RedHat is a proprietary software.
It's said in the RedHat license that anybody can copy RedHat Linux for non-commercial purposes.
The AKSHAYA Project which is a community literacy programme is a non-commercial initiative by the govt of Kerala. I just can't understand the motto behind such a report. The newspaper is trying to make AKSHAYA project a commercial initiative. Forgetting the matter that This project will make a good impact of "Free Software" on the mass the newspaper is trying to benefit some vested persons.
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Senthil posts:
>> _I feel_ that discussing/arguing about Philosophy is vain
Feeling and discussing are two different actions. I feel that the
philosophy of software sharing is good. Mailing List discussions are
articulations having an effect of clarifying the underlying philosophy
of sharing. I have learned a lot from such articulations. And as such,
these clarifications should not cease from happening, it should continue
and they shall never be seen as vain.
On the contrary I see most of the "LUGS" discussing superficial
technical issues and generally do not have any idea of where they are
going. In these "LUGS" you find a bunch of experts who are vain and are
very wary of sharing what they know. They have their own caucuses.
>> Any thoughtful material I find, I absorb it and get back to work.
>> And that's how I see most of my friends are
I see most of my friends as discussing things of common interest. We
absorb things and help each other, rather than keeping things which we
may have learnt, to ourselves.
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ragOO
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ramanraj K
> Senthil_OR(a)Dell.com wrote:
>
> >Dear FSF-Friends,
> > I am good comp-sci guy.
> >My head is paining with this.
> >Please provide me some "Free" water, atleast. :)
> >
> >Senthil
> >
> >
> >
> Where are you?
> You may get Free Software, but I doubt if you can get Free Water in
> India ;-)
At Bangalore, there is a lot of enthusiasm and freshness for all hackers
in general.
At FSF-Friends list, I saw some serious discussion on Licensing( with
all Legal terms) going on.
How did this benefit us?
I don't recollect the exact story, but in one of Swami Vivekananda's
books, there is a narration,
wherein a group of philosophers would be discussing about god and a
small boy would walk in and
say, "If all these are true, then what are we doing here".
Sometimes, _I feel_ that discussing/arguing about Philosophy is vain.
Any thoughtful material I find, I absorb it and get back to work.
And that's how I see most of my friends are.
Ok. Now, if you can crack some joke here(for everybody to
laugh,ofcourse),then press Reply All
otherwise press Reply Only.
If you do it the other way round,then I will consider it as an encrypted
message (for which I don't have a key)
Senthil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rishi Gangoly
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:09 PM
>
> On Tue December 23 2003 4:05 pm, Senthil_OR(a)Dell.com wrote:
> > > http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IER20031223001556&
> >
> > I read this article and I am completely surprised.
> >
> > For RH9.0 and Fedora,I believe,any number of copies can be made and
> > distributed.
> > It is available for Free Download in the Redhat FTP itself.
> >
> > The article is not giving the complete picture.
>
>
> I suggest you read this page specifically regarding distribution.
>
> http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/guidelines/page4.html
>
> Also in general you should go through the Trademark Guidelines before
> considering distributing it commercially.
>
> http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/
>
> Regards
>
I went through the two links you provided.
and I did not find anything related to the story itself.
See, the news article states as:
...a fresh case of mass copying of the Linux-based Operating System of Red
Hat India by the Centre for Development of Imaging Technology (C-DIT) has
surfaced...
Now, the Fedora License says that:
This agreement governs the download, installation or use of the Software (as
defined below)
and any updates to the Software,**regardless of the delivery mechanism**.
The Software is a collective work under U.S. Copyright Law.
Subject to the following terms, Fedora Project grants to the user ("User")
a license to this collective work pursuant
to the ***GNU General Public License***.
The link you sent was like the copyright over the name 'Fedora'.
I will be sued by RH, if I write an OS and call it Fedora, use its logo.
I am free to distribute Fedora( from Redhat) to my friends.
Now, coming to the New Ind Press article again, it did not mention, if C-DIT
used RH9.0 ( or similar
consumer based OS or they used RH-EL).
Thus, it gave a wrong picture of the general public.
Thanks,
Senthil
> |
> http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IER20031223001556&
I read this article and I am completely surprised.
Redhat comes in different versions; home-users and enterprise users.
For home-users,the last series was Redhat 9.0 and it has been stopped.
Fedora Project having the same rpms and srpms has taken over.
For RH9.0 and Fedora,I believe,any number of copies can be made and
distributed.
It is available for Free Download in the Redhat FTP itself.
But Enterprise Linux series. RH 2.1AS and RH3.1 EL come for a cost.
The cost is for some management packages and the support they provide
for
Enterprise customers.
The article is not giving the complete picture.
It is just giving a rough news and definitely not a good outlook to the
public.
-Senthil