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[Fsf-friends] Free as in free beer Re: Freedom {X VS X} AND Rich User Experience
by rajeev joseph sebastian 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Dear Mr Gaur, Free as in Freedom, not Free as in Free Beer. > Dear Rishi, > > "WE" here stands for FSF evanglists who value > FREEDOM as much as you do. I > really wonder whether FREEDOM again means not trying > to write good software. > What you call FREEDOM for yourself is the hard work > of countless Open Source > guys towards a common goal - promoting Free > software. Not really, FREEDOM arose from the GNU conception of Free software, not the OSI conception of free software. Of course free software is doing a LOT. Apache, et al are doing a marvellous job at the cost of fragmentation, which is the holy grail of Software Configuration Management (which I learnt in Semester 7). In any case, the end-user as you said does not _care_ whether software is Free. (but whether it is free matters to them a lot.) In that case, wouldnt it better to make Free software, than merely free software ? The usefulness, flexibility, usability etc of software is a totally seperate consideration from whether software is Free or not. The former is measured by the way the artifact operates (ie, engineering values and metrics), and latter considers the means of distribution, utilization and improvement (ie, social values and social perception of the process of engineering) > > So you mean to say that if the software come for > FREE I should not expect it > to be good. What a foundation "WE" (FSF evangalists) > are laying down for > others to follow. > I still wonder whether you are arguing on the side of Free or free software. > Let me remind you I am not talking about "you", the > IT guy. I am talking > about the end user for whom computers is a tool to > do his work. And trust me > he values "RICH USER EXPERIECE" more than getting a > free software. IS THIS > WHAT YOU CALL FREEDOM? > > FREEDOM for who? You or the MASSES? I repeat lets > move from "PHILOSOPHICAL > MINORITY" to "MASS MAJORITY" and for masses your so > called "SHALLOW" user > experience matters. > > Windows market share is a testimony to this SHALLOW > concept. windows market share is due to the inferiority of the masses: they are not fit to evaluate the choices available to them (I am also making a point abt democracy here). windows market share is due to heavy marketing ... when was the first time you saw a GNU/Linux ad on TV ? (I saw the IBM ad about 2 weeks ago) I saw the Microsoft "1 degree seperation" .NET ad about a year back (if i remember correctly). However, look at the technical market for OSs and professional software ... almost every one of those runs on Unix and variants. The technical market knows their options, and more importantly understand them. This is the method I take the side on - make every company on Earth dependent on Linux, and the rest (your so-called shallow tool-Lusers) will follow. Morover i dont see anything "RICH" about about the dry packages that comes with an MS-XP install (Solitaire, Minesweeper, Notepad, Wordpad, anything else ? oh yeah regedit). Whereas the basic install of PCQLinux .... I really LOVE gnofract4d and Celestia and OpenOffice ... that pretty much makes for a VERY rich user experience than XP could hope for (then again i'm talking from the viewpoint of a _legal_ basic installation :) ) > > I remind you again ... i am not decrying linux .... > of FSF. I am myself a > strong supporter and have followed linux from its > nacence. > On a side note, a "strong" supporter would call it GNU/Linux not merely linux ;) just joking ... Rajeev J Sebastian Stendek R&D Kochi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

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by Tarun Gaur 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Hi Friends, I understand and respect your confidence and am myself a staunch follower of FSF and open source. Infact the company where i am working is a live example where i have ensured that they have moved to linux rather than win 2003 and .NET. But Dear Rishi and Anivar, Let me give you a backgrounder. Mr. Ram Reddy is the editor at "The Hindu" and has been referred to me through another friend of ours at FSF. The reason I sent a copy of what he wrote about Linux is to initiate a debate and i am happy that we are discussing this further. Now, he is a live example of an END USER PERSPECTIVE on Linux Desktops. Let me remind you I am not talking of Linux as a Server. If you were at Microsoft or even IBM and giving statements like "I care a Damn on what Mr. Ram Reddy" thinks .... you know the result. Now I have a question for you ... are "Diversity" and "Flexibility" synonyms of "Complexity" and "Non-Rich User Experience"?? No! You can be as flexible as you want and still be Flexible and diverse. And I am not decrying Linux, i know we are reaching there slowly but surely and we all know Microsoft is struggling to retain 2 million Windows NT base. So, when the competetion picks up it is the BUYERS market and you have to be very agile to pick up a market share. And we have to behave very responsibly and look at the world from customer's perspective. We have a big resposibility here. Remember we are not a market leaders but intend to be. You like it or dislike it Microsoft is still there on 94% of wold's desktops. You know why .. because they dont ignore the suggestions of guys like Ram Reddy. Please do not look at this as a Developer, try looking at it as a business man or an end user. We have have done a lot to reach here, lets not assume that we are the best, lets plug each and every hole one by one ... cause thats the only way we can turn from a philosophical minority to MASS Majority. Please do not take this note as personal, it is for every Linux Evangalist who thinks we are the best. If you still think so, please read the mail sent by Mr. Ram Reddy (and you can be sure that he is a responsible guy giving genuine opinion) once again. Lets continue to improve, to end the note .. I am going to Mr. Ram Reddy's place this weekend and be sure we will win one more guy for FSF !! Hail FSF, regards, tarun >From: Rishi <rishi(a)gangfam.com> >To: "Anivar Aravind" <anivar(a)linuxmail.org>,"Tarun Gaur" ><gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com>, fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in >Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] I'll restore Linux and your confidence too !! >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:18:03 +0530 > >On Tuesday 27 Apr 2004 9:25 pm, Anivar Aravind wrote: > > "Tarun Gaur" said on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 07:42:56 +0000 > > > > > I am sure i will be able to restore your confidence in Linux and open > > > source. On our front we will make every effort to ensure that the >Linux > > > is made easy for the end users. > > > > i have enough confidence on linux kernel. if u want to restore anyones > > confidence plz send personal mails to them. i dont want any mail in the > > class "opensource" through free software foundations list. > >Hi Anivar, > >I guess Tarun was just trying to get us to help Mr. Reddy. Maybe we could >be a >little helpful... what say? > > > Is FSF is alotted FSF friends list as Tarun Gaur's personal mail box? > > then rename it as gaur's-friends and unsubsribe me from it > >Just some thoughts on how to re-phrase the sentence above to achieve the >same >goal but with a more gentle approach. ;-) > >======================================================== >Hi Tarun, > >In future, could you forward the e-mail to the FSF list requesting for >assistance in helping you with getting Mr. Reddy to stay motivated with >using >free software, instead of BCC the fsf-friends list? >======================================================== > >Regards > >Rishi > _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss out on jobs that are not advertised. http://go.msnserver.com/IN/47510.asp Post your CV on naukri.com today.

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Re: PlayFair project
by Anand Babu 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Hi RMS, ,----[ Richard Stallman <rms(a)gnu.org> ] | Whether PlayFair would be considered legal in the US is a hard | question, given the details of what it does. I think it is safer to | host it outside the US, in countries where there is really no law like | the DMCA. | | I am looking for help in the Brazilian government. | | If people interested in hosting the program want to talk with the | PlayFair developers, can you serve as an intermediary? `---- PlayFair author has already made me (Anand Babu) as official project-maintainer and I am part of the development team. So I will be the contact-person for this project. People from FSF-India are actively exploring possibilities to help PlayFair project, both in terms of hosting service and legal guidance. Fighting DMCA is no easy task. We would like to get as much help as possible. Thanks -- Anand Babu Free as in Freedom <www.gnu.org>

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I'll restore Linux and your confidence too !!
by Tarun Gaur 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Hi Ram Sir, I am sure i will be able to restore your confidence in Linux and open source. On our front we will make every effort to ensure that the Linux is made easy for the end users. Infact the current state of Linux is that there are multiple initiatives going on to catch up with proprietry software (especially Windows), in the process you will come across multiple versions (distros) of Linux. Each one of them is unique and has its own features and set of specialization though all of them are now converging fast. These are some drawbacks of open source but the very spirit with which we have reached so far is worth acknowledging and trust me sir, the day is not far when you will see Linux replacing Windows not only on the server side, but desktops too. In your case i think the best version is Red Hat / Fedora. I will make sure that i carry them with me when i visit you. Or else if you have a special affinity towards the Mandrake magic, then we will bring that one too. regards, tarun >From: Rammanohar Reddy To: "Tarun Gaur" <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com> >CC: KG Kumar <kg(a)tug.org.in> >Subject: Re: Pleasure to help you Sir >Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:12:26 +0530 > >Thanks, Tarun > >Perhaps we should think of the next weekend -- it may otherwise be very >diffficult. > >But I must warn you that right now I am terribly disappointed with Linux -- >my attempt toload Mandrake for the 4-5 weeks have failed. And right now I >can say more Windows' reliability!! > >best > >Ram Reddy > _________________________________________________________________ Ready cash in just 72 hours. Apply Now !!! http://go.msnserver.com/IN/46922.asp

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[Fwd]: [Fsf-friends] "The free software option" by C. Rammanohar Reddy in "The Hindu"
by Mahesh T. Pai 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

----- Forwarded message from Ramanraj K <ramanraj(a)md4.vsnl.net.in> ----- > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:12:19 +0530 > From: Ramanraj K <ramanraj(a)md4.vsnl.net.in> > Subject: [Fsf-friends] > "The free software option" by C. Rammanohar Reddy in "The Hindu" > To: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in, rms(a)gnu.org > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1a) Gecko/20020610 > > "The Hindu" newspaper has published in its issue dated 22nd November, > 2003, at page 10, an article titled > > "The free software option" > by > C. Rammanohar Reddy > > This is also available online at: > > http://www.hindu.com/2003/11/22/stories/2003112200721000.htm > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ Mahesh T. Pai, LL.M., 'NANDINI', S. R. M. Road, Ernakulam, Cochin-682018, Kerala, India. http://paivakil.port5.com +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+

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Re: [Fsf-friends] I'll restore Linux and your confidence too !!
by Suresh Titus John 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 Rishi wrote : >On Wednesday 28 Apr 2004 9:26 am, Mahesh T. Pai wrote: > > I am not sure that we need to tell Mr. Reddy the concept of freedom in > > software. IIRC, he actually wrote on this a few months back. > >Whoa! Sorry. ;-) >Then what's his problem? >Can you point me to that article if it's on the NET? I'd like to first read it >and then write to him... > Hmm, i think this is the one: http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2002/12/01/stories/2002120100100300.htm suresh

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Re: [Fsf-friends] I'll restore Linux and your confidence too !!
by Anivar Aravind 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

"Tarun Gaur" said on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 07:42:56 +0000 > I am sure i will be able to restore your confidence in Linux and open > source. On our front we will make every effort to ensure that the Linux is > made easy for the end users. i have enough confidence on linux kernel. if u want to restore anyones confidence plz send personal mails to them. i dont want any mail in the class "opensource" through free software foundations list. <snip> > These are some drawbacks of open source .... </snip> i subscribed only fsf lists. i dont want to here such spam contents of this list.this is the draw back of moderator of this list. <snip> >the day is not > far when you will see Linux replacing Windows not only on the server side, > but desktops too. i am not interested in just linux replacing windows. but in freedom replacing proprietory ie GNU replacing proprietory > In your case i think the best version is Red Hat / Fedora. I will make sure > that i carry them with me when i visit you. Or else if you have a special > affinity towards the Mandrake magic, then we will bring that one too. Is FSF is alotted FSF friends list as Tarun Gaur's personal mail box? then rename it as gaur's-friends and unsubsribe me from it ~Anivar Aravind -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze

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For C Rammanohar Reddy
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

Dear Mr Reddy: Like you, I hesitated for a for a year-and-half before being able to take the leap. What was worse, I had GNU/Linux installed on my PC, but just didn't dare to change. To add to my discomfort, I was a founder member of the local [GNU]Linux Users Group in Goa ;-) Today, I use Free Software for 95% of my work. The other 5% is in a cybercafe or at some other office, over which I simply don't have any choice. My main complaint is that my old systems simply go on and on and on working, without giving any major (or, often, minor) problem either. The only time I fidget with the PCs (often getting someone else to do so, agreed Free Software isn't as easy as the click-on-the-exe-file usability... but then, that's compensated by security and that fact that a virus also finds it tough to get control) is when there's some upgradation done. For years (since 2001-02), my computers have not been hit by a virus. The only time a Trojan actually got in -- all my data was restored, nothing lost -- was when I stubbornly clung on to Redhat 6.2, inspite of repeated warnings that it was too long outdated and that security flaws had been reported. My suggestion is get someone else to do the installation. Changing over to a new OS can be rather frustrating, since everything "seems different". For sometime, one doesn't even know where to start searching. But that is soon done with. As Stallman says, even if Free Software was an inferior product, I would still continue using it... just because of the principles behind it. FN in Goa. > >From: Rammanohar Reddy To: "Tarun Gaur" <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com> > >CC: KG Kumar <kg(a)tug.org.in> > >Subject: Re: Pleasure to help you Sir > >Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:12:26 +0530 > > > >Thanks, Tarun > > > >Perhaps we should think of the next weekend -- it may otherwise be > > very diffficult. > > > >But I must warn you that right now I am terribly disappointed with > >Linux -- my attempt toload Mandrake for the 4-5 weeks have failed. And > >right now I can say more Windows' reliability!! > > > >best > > > >Ram Reddy -- --------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa, India f r e d e r i c k n o r o n h a @ v s n l . n e t Ph 832.2409490 / 832.2409783 Cell 9822 122436 Phone calls: preferably from 1300 to 0500 (IST) Try landlines is mobile is temporarily unavailable http://linuxinindia.pitas.com http://www.bytesforall.org ---------------------------------------------------------

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GNU/LinuxinIndia * April 25, 2004
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

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I am glad that Red Hat is getting some patents to use to defend against Microsoft's patents. (I hope Red Hat never turns around to use them for aggression.) But the only help these patents give us is to block part of the danger of patents -- and only part of it! They have no positive effect. Taken all together, the patents do not play any role in the vitality of our community. Most patents threaten us, and a few may partly defend us from the threat of the rest. We would be much better off if nobody had any software patents. India has wisely refused to allow software patents. Every supporter of free software in India should be helping to support that policy. Would you please help? Please don't invite people to lump together a hypothetical future Indian law (software patents) that can kill our community and an existing Indian law (copyright) that has no such power. -- Richard M Stallman <rms at gnu.org> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ########################################################################### --------------------------------------------------------------------------- FROM BANGALORE, Kartik N <kartikn79 at symonds.net> sent out a recent reminder about plans for April's BLUG (Bangalore Linux Users' Group) meet, which was held on April 23. The agenda focussed on talks on filesystems in GNU/Linux (by Arun) and the CD file system features (by Sreekiran). BLUG meets usually take place between 6 to 8 pm at Hotel Ashraya International Infantry Road, Opposite Police Commissioner's Office, Phone : +91 (80) 2262921. Map - http://linux-bangalore.org/images/ashraya-map.png Cover charge is Rs.100 per person (includes dinner). More details at: http://linux-bangalore.org/meetings/200404/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ LOCALISATION LIST from Bangalore is at http://lli.linux-bangalore.org ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ GNUS GRAZING @ BANGALORE: Fans of the Free Software movement meanwhile announced a meeting at Bangalore. It was called on Sunday, April 18 at the unearthly hour of 10 am (no offence meant, I'm usually fast asleep by then). The rendezvous-point was in front of Gangaram's Bookstore on MG Road. Difficult to miss. 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This would tend to really help in promoting uptake of OpenOffice and Linux desktops in consumer market. Digital cameras are now outselling film cameras and this is going to get even more important in the next few years. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ INTERESTED IN FLOSS in Mangalore (coastal south-western India)? Find more about us at http://www.linux-mangalore.org ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ LOCALISATION NEWSLETTER: G Karunakar <karunakar(a)freedomink.org> who is the IndLinux.org coordinator, says: On behalf of the Localization community in India we are happy to bring out the first issue of the Localization Newsletter. Aim of this newsletter is to highlight localization activities based on Free/Libre and Open Source Software, present a complete picture, and to serve as a mouthpiece for all localization teams and their volunteers. HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS ISSUE: * Headlines : Bengali, Punjabi supported languages in Gnome 2.6, Hindi and Tamil supported in KDE 3.2 * In News Bits : PCQLinux2004 with Indic support, Devanagari & Gujarati Opentype fonts, Mozilla build with Indic support. * In Team Watch : Sayamindu Dasgupta speaking on Ankur Bangla project. Read complete issue at http://www.indlinux.org/nl/nl150404.html A pdf of it is available at http://www.indlinux.org/nl/nlvol1.pdf (238KB) Comments are welcome, and can be mailed to the editorial team or posted on http://www.indlinux.org/wiki/index.php/NewsletterFeedback If you would like to recieve copy of newsletter regularly you can subscribe to the mailing list http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/indlinux-news ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ SOME MORE ON LOCALISATION: "Arky" <rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com> says: Perhaps being children of lesser god we don't have such resources, yet localization work is going at a good pace (see http://www.indlinux.org/wiki/index.php?LocalizationNewsletter ) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ MADE IN INDIA, WELCOMED IN THE GULF: A comment from the Gulf region, where Manoj Menon <manojcmenon at yahoo.com> recently commented on the Linux-middleeast(a)yahoogroups.com newsgroup: Linux based PDA for less than 1000 AED ... and best of all, its made in India. http://www.amidasimputer.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ASSAMESE LANGUAGE: Jyotirmoy Saikia <jyotirmoy_saikia at yahoo.com> of Picopeta, the Simputer guys in Bangalore, asks an interesting query: Can I type Assamese from Yudit using Inscript? Assamese and Bengali scripts are same except two consonants: (i) Consonat RA (this is character U09F0 in Assamese and character U09B0 in Bengali) (ii) Consonant VA (this is chracter U09F1 in Assamese, which is equivalent of Devanagari character U0935). As far as I know, there is no consonat VA in Bengali. I have looked at the Open Type Akaash bengali font and found that the characters U09FO and U09F1 are present in the font. But using the Inscript keyboard layout for Bengali, I can't type these characters. I believe we need a seperate Inscript keyboard map for Assamese. What is the suggestion from other people in the group? Similarly, we'll need a Assamese keyboard map for the Milan release also; am I wrong? ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ OFFICIAL SUPPORT FOR LOCALISATION WORK? Jitendra Shah <jitendras at vsnl.com> reports that it is now "certain" that he will be working from C-DAC Mumbai (formerly NCST) on a Central Government Localisation project with the objective of localising Free/Opensource (GNU/Linux) in indian languages with three angles: development of localised software (OS and some applications for SOHEdu), deployment, and building a community of developers and users. Says he: "I think the objective is broad enough." Sometime back, Shah started the work with a volunteer team. "It is heartening to see that there are souls in the government who can identify and support such noble causes too. While I believe such work will have to be done by dedicated people without a pre-condtion of government support, there can be no doubt that progress can leapfrog when there is official backing, particularly when such support includes support for community participation rather than excluding it." Shah has a team of "good people who may want to contribute". But he's also looking out for others who could get involved and help. He adds: "Since the work is at all three levels -- system level, application level and (only to some extent) content level, many people can contribute." Shah and team have also been working on the conversion of legacy documents to Unicode. He adds: "I am trying to convert the silos of legacy data from ISFOC/Akruti/ShreeLipi/whathaveyou to unicode. This has been welcomed by the (Maharashtra) State government as well as Central government and corporates. I propose to use the programs to help generate sustainance for the developers through services rendered and eventually all programs will be free/open source. I have now converted the Rajya Sabha webpage into Hindi and also IITBombay pages." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOUR INPUTS and criticism to this newsletter are welcome. Contact us at fred at bytesforall dot org COPYLEFT 2003. 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AI .... calpp !!
by Tarun Gaur 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

Dear Ramanraj, I appreciate your view on things and your suggestion on trying to concentrate on AI. But at the moment i would keep myself limited to the Naming architetures. Anyways thanx for your advice. Never the less, i did visit calpp site. I am sure i will be able to help you to devise a naming scheme. But for starters i would need some knowledge on the functional domain (Legal Procedures and Proceedings). I dint find much high level description on your project at the site. Architectures and design patterns is my specialization so may be i can pitch in with some suggestions. As for AI, you need an extremely dedicated focussed research work. I am not in a position to put in that kind of effort. I am already part of three major open source software. regards, tarun >From: Ramanraj K <ramanraj(a)md4.vsnl.net.in> >To: Tarun Gaur <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com> >CC: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in >Subject: Re: Epistemology and Naming >Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:29:05 +0530 > >In the Tarka Samgraha - the most common examples given are that of cowness >and jarness: what are the qualites that make a cow a cow, and a jar a jar? > The fundamental concepts required for building full fledged artificial >intelligence systems are found in just this single work. Please do get a >copy of Tarka Samgraha - it is available at the nearest Ramakrishna Math >Book store for Rs. 25/- only. > > >Instead of exploring its relevance to IT generally you may try focusing on >AI specifically. > > >My project is .^. Calpp: Computer Aided Legal Procedures and Proceedings. >The most fundamental problem that I faced was with naming objects in the >law, and my solution was to have just a simple heading and key scheme, that >is easily stored in database tables - and therefore have the ability to >store innumerable facts/data without any artificial limit. Calpp keeps >count of headings and keys, and this way have control of forms, procedures >and proceedings. I have already written index.inc and Index.php scripts >that could index the atoms in the way we want. I won't be wrong if I say >that Index.php is very close to a plane like human consiousness. If >interested do visit >http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/calpp/projdisplay.php . >A mailing list has also been started recently at >http://gborg.postgresql.org/mailman/listinfo/calpp-calpp-general >Arky here is along with me there. > >Regards, >Ramanraj. > _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss out on jobs that are not advertised. http://go.msnserver.com/IN/47510.asp Post your CV on naukri.com today.

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