Fsf-friends April 2004

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AI .... calpp !!
by Tarun Gaur 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

Dear Ramanraj, I appreciate your view on things and your suggestion on trying to concentrate on AI. But at the moment i would keep myself limited to the Naming architetures. Anyways thanx for your advice. Never the less, i did visit calpp site. I am sure i will be able to help you to devise a naming scheme. But for starters i would need some knowledge on the functional domain (Legal Procedures and Proceedings). I dint find much high level description on your project at the site. Architectures and design patterns is my specialization so may be i can pitch in with some suggestions. As for AI, you need an extremely dedicated focussed research work. I am not in a position to put in that kind of effort. I am already part of three major open source software. regards, tarun >From: Ramanraj K <ramanraj(a)md4.vsnl.net.in> >To: Tarun Gaur <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com> >CC: fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in >Subject: Re: Epistemology and Naming >Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:29:05 +0530 > >In the Tarka Samgraha - the most common examples given are that of cowness >and jarness: what are the qualites that make a cow a cow, and a jar a jar? > The fundamental concepts required for building full fledged artificial >intelligence systems are found in just this single work. Please do get a >copy of Tarka Samgraha - it is available at the nearest Ramakrishna Math >Book store for Rs. 25/- only. > > >Instead of exploring its relevance to IT generally you may try focusing on >AI specifically. > > >My project is .^. Calpp: Computer Aided Legal Procedures and Proceedings. >The most fundamental problem that I faced was with naming objects in the >law, and my solution was to have just a simple heading and key scheme, that >is easily stored in database tables - and therefore have the ability to >store innumerable facts/data without any artificial limit. Calpp keeps >count of headings and keys, and this way have control of forms, procedures >and proceedings. I have already written index.inc and Index.php scripts >that could index the atoms in the way we want. I won't be wrong if I say >that Index.php is very close to a plane like human consiousness. If >interested do visit >http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/calpp/projdisplay.php . >A mailing list has also been started recently at >http://gborg.postgresql.org/mailman/listinfo/calpp-calpp-general >Arky here is along with me there. > >Regards, >Ramanraj. > _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss out on jobs that are not advertised. http://go.msnserver.com/IN/47510.asp Post your CV on naukri.com today.

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Epistemology and Naming
by Tarun Gaur 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

Hi Ramanraj, My work primarily stems from trying to focus of abstract similarities and yet being able distinguish entities. Integrative pluralism is the key that, despite accepting the relativism of distinct place values, does so within a universalist framework. My work on epistemology is limited to exploring the domain of binding entities togather and its relevance to IT. Still, it was nice to read your mail the way you compiled it. Please write more on your work; it will be a great learning experience. regards, tarun _________________________________________________________________ Easiest Money Transfer to India. Send Money To 6000 Indian Towns. http://go.msnserver.com/IN/42198.asp Easiest Way To Send Money Home!

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RE: [Fsf-friends] Giving subject titles that describe content
by Senthil_OR＠Dell.com 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

-----Original Message----- From: Ramanraj K Subject: [Fsf-friends] Giving subject titles that describe content Senthil_OR(a)Dell.comwrote: >One request.While replying kindly keep the subject line >intact so that people (like me, who sort the mails in threaded fashion >using the Subject line) may keep track and enjoy the discussion. Your >subject line ofcourse relates to your content, but It would be a good ( >list) practise I believe. What do you say? > >Please thread using message-id. Gnus threads incoming mail correctly - please try using it. Anand Babu and RK Muthukrishnan have already shared their .emacs and .gnus.el files here and it should help to get started. This way, the archive indexes at http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/ are easier to refer in the future. Thanks for pointing me to that! Yeah, I see that Message Ids can be used. ( Will be figuring it out with Outlook Express and Evolution) But for the Mahesh. T.Pai's solution of using X-BeenThere header;it points to fsf-friends(a)gnu.org.in to mails in the list. I doubt if it can help in conversional track of the messages. The Message ID for that matter has some <number>@<yourisp> and has some logic of tracking. ( what logic?) If its simple leave it to me :), if it interesting, why not share across? Regards, Senthil

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Universal Distributed Naming !!
by Tarun Gaur 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi Gurusami, Thanx once again. If you check RFC 2138 of RADIUS you will find again that it is a bit specific like LDAP. I will try and explain what i am looking for. I am developing a Distributed Naming Architecture as part of my reasearch work. The Beauty of this Naming architecture is that it will be able to hold information on any kind of entity, still be able to uniquely identify it in the Global Namespace. Now the catch is that this entity need not be related to any specific domain or stream !! I am a bit abstract but i believe it should make some sense. The implications of such a Naming structure is not difficult to understand !! Naming is the key to Discovery and Discovering is the key to Usage ... Usage is based on Trust .... its all woven toagather. Regards, tarun >From: Annamalai Gurusami <annamalai.gurusami(a)email.masconit.com> >Reply-To: annamalai.gurusami(a)email.masconit.com >To: "Tarun Gaur" <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com> >CC: imran(a)imran.info, fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in >Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Something more Generic and Distributed ... >Naming!! >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:51:30 +0530 > >"Tarun Gaur" <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com> writes: > > > Yep LDAP is more specific. Infact I am looking at some ideas related > > to distributed secure naming architecture that could be applied in > > and out of virtual world. If anyone knows of any such work > > somewhere, it will be of great help. > >Does Remote Authentication Dial In User Service (RADIUS) protocol of >any interest? > >Rgds, >anna > >-- > >Time-stamp: <2004-04-08 09:56:03 annamalai.gurusami> > >Memtest86 is thorough, stand alone memory test for x86 architecture >computers. BIOS based memory tests are a quick, cursory check and >often miss many of the failures that are detected by Memtest86. > > http://www.memtest86.com > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail on your mobile. Messenger on your mobile. http://www.msn.co.in/mobile/ Stay connected to what matters.

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Kernel Compilation !! Something like this ...
by Tarun Gaur 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Maybe we could initiate some tech topics and post such articles on fsf-prog ... i am sure it will help ======================================================= How to Compile 2.6 kernel for RedHat 9/8 Mike Chirico Last Updated: Mon Apr 5 06:45:59 EDT 2004 The latest version of this document can be found at: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/souptonuts/README_26.txt?download For configs ref: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=79320&package_id=1099… STEP 1: Download the latest version of the kernel and any patches. This documentation is done with linux-2.6.3, but look for later versions. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ Also take a look at http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/post-halloween-2.5.txt This has some useful hints on some of the changes needed. STEP 2: Download the latest version of module-init-tools "module-init-tools-3.0.tar.gz" and "modutils-2.4.21-23.src.rpm" http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rusty/modules/module-init-too… http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rusty/modules/modutils-2.4.21… STEP 3: Install module-init-tools. This will replace depmod [/sbin/depmod] and other tools. tar -zxvf module-init-tools-3.0.tar.gz cd module-init-tools-3.0 ./configure --prefix=/sbin make make install ./generate-modprobe.conf /etc/modprobe.conf STEP 4: Install modutils-2.4.21-23.src.rpm. You may get warnings about user rusty and group rusty not existing. Also, yes, you'll have to force the install. If you don't do these steps for both Redhat 9 and Redhat 8, you'll have problems with the make modules_install. rpm -i modutils-2.4.21-23.src.rpm rpmbuild -bb /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/modutils.spec rpm -Fi /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/modutils-2.4.21-23.i386.rpm STEP 5: Install and configure the kernel. Do NOT use the /usr/src/linux area! Reference the README. I put my files in /home/src/kernel/ gunzip linux-2.6.3.tar.gz tar -xvf linux-2.6.3.tar cd linux-2.6.3 If you have patches install these now: bzip2 -dc ../patch-2.6.xx.bz2 | patch -p1 STEP 6: Copy the appropriate /usr/src/linux-2.4/configs [kernel-2.4.20-i686.config, kernel-2.4.20-i686-smp.config] to .config in whatever directory you are installing. In my case it's /home/src/kernel/linux-2.6.3 cp /usr/src/linux-2.4/configs/kernel-2.4.20-i686.config \ /home/src/kernel/linux-2.6.3/.config If you don't have the source configs, you can download them from here: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=79320&package_id=109… I've also included a file config2.6-chirico which was a 2.6 version for some of my systems. This isn't a bad reference if you run into trouble. STEP 7: Assuming you copied the appropriate kernel-2.4 config to .config, run the following which will run through necessary questions for the 2.6 kernel. Or, you might want to use the config2.6-chirico...this has already been run through make oldconfig on my system, and I've answered the necessary questions for a general system. make oldconfig STEP 8: This is very important. Make sure you're .config has the following in it CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y You'll run into the following error if you leave this =m instead of =y: pivotroot: pivot_root(/sysroot,/sysroot/initrd) failed This is because Redhat 9.0 and 8.0 use the ext3 filesystem for /boot ... STEP 9: Edit the Makefile and add changes to the Extraversion as desired. Patches will update these values as well. VERSION = 2 PATCHLEVEL = 6 SUBLEVEL = 3 EXTRAVERSION = -skim-ch6 STEP 10: make bzImage STEP 11: make modules STEP 12: make modules_install STEP 13: make install If you come across errors here, what version of "depmod" is being picked up in your path? Also, if you get a module not found, say the following: No module aic7xxx found for kernel 2.6.x Then, in /lib/modules/2.6.x/kernel/drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/ cp aic7xxx.ko aic7xxx.o insmod should look for aic7xxx.ko ;but , it looks for aic7xxx.o If you still have trouble, make the following change in the .config CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y and go back to STEP 10. You also may want to ref kernel-2.6.3-i686-smp-chirico-aic7xxx.config in http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/souptonuts/configs-0.3.tar.gz?download STEP 14: mkdir /sys STEP 15: /etc/rc.sysinit needs to be modified. Look for the following line: action $"Mounting proc filesystem: " mount -n -t proc /proc /proc and after this line enter the following: action $"Mounting sysfs filesystem: " mount -t sysfs none /sys Here's my /etc/rc.sysinit for reference: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/souptonuts/rc.sysinit.txt?download Be very careful at this step. Backup the /etc/rc.sysinit file. Thomer [http://thomer.com/linux/migrate-to-2.6.html ] also added changes to /etc/fstab. I only had to do STEP 16 below. STEP 16: Add the following to /etc/fstab for usb support. /proc/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0 STEP 17 (CHECKING EVERYTHING): Check the following: a. The new image file should be installed on boot and there should be sym link to it. My latest kernel is 2.6.3-skim-ch6, and I got the "-skim-ch6" from the values I put in the Makefile, so I see the following: _________________________________________________________________ Post Classifieds on MSN classifieds. http://go.msnserver.com/IN/44045.asp Buy and Sell on MSN Classifieds.

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Lets revive fsf-prog !!
by Tarun Gaur 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Or we could lay down some tutorial or something alike for the newbie's to get a headstart and a gradual progression. What do you say Anand? tarun >From: Anand Babu <ab(a)gnu.org.in> >To: "Rakesh \"arky\" Ambati" <rakesh_ambati(a)yahoo.com> >CC: Tarun Gaur <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com>, fsf-prog <fsf-prog(a)mm.gnu.org.in> >Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Compiling HURD .. Lets revive fsf-prog !! >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 04:25:25 -0700 > > >,----[ Tarun Gaur <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com> ] >| > Let me initiate a technical discussion out there ... I have couple >| > of friends who are very eager to start working on HURD but they have >| > no idea on how to go about compiling their own kernel from >| > scratch. Is there someone who is real good at it and can help the >| > newbie's out .... >`---- >If they don't know how to compile the kernel, they are probably not >ready for hacking GNU HURD yet. I very much recommend them to start >with submission of new-feature and bug-fix patches for existing Free >Software projects. > >http://savannah.gnu.org/people/ has a list of "Projects Needing Help" > >If they are already a free software contributor and a newbie, I won't >recommend kernel hacking in the first shot. > >,----[ "Rakesh \"arky\" Ambati" <rakesh_ambati(a)yahoo.com> ] >| When we started working on building FSF-Bangalore chapter,this was one >| of the issue that came up.We here at bangalore planning to hold >| meetings regularly wherein users (experts & newbie's alike) can >| bring-in their box's and get their problem's sorted out. >| >| We can even arrange special interest talks on topic's like using or >| programming GNU/Hurd. >| >| May be we can even build a digital library of free software.If someone >| wants a copy of GNU/Hurd he can burn it there for a nominal charge. >`---- > >Mridul Jain <mridul.jain(a)californiadigital.com> has good understanding >of GNU/HURD OS and its inner workings. He is in Bangalore and has >helped me fix critical bugs in my HURD RPCI project. He would be glad >to help. > >-- >Anand Babu >Free as in Freedom <www.gnu.org> _________________________________________________________________ Easiest Money Transfer to India. Send Money To 6000 Indian Towns. http://go.msnserver.com/IN/42198.asp Easiest Way To Send Money Home!

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Compiling HURD .. Lets revive fsf-prog !!
by Tarun Gaur 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi Ab, nice to hear from you ... I thought we will help them with compilation tips. Hacking would come as a sequential step. I am sure there are numerous folks out there seeking a headstart. Nevertheless i will start my effort, it will be great if you could pitch in. Regards, tarun >From: Anand Babu <ab(a)gnu.org.in> >To: "Rakesh \"arky\" Ambati" <rakesh_ambati(a)yahoo.com> >CC: Tarun Gaur <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com>, fsf-prog <fsf-prog(a)mm.gnu.org.in> >Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Compiling HURD .. Lets revive fsf-prog !! >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 04:25:25 -0700 > > >,----[ Tarun Gaur <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com> ] >| > Let me initiate a technical discussion out there ... I have couple >| > of friends who are very eager to start working on HURD but they have >| > no idea on how to go about compiling their own kernel from >| > scratch. Is there someone who is real good at it and can help the >| > newbie's out .... >`---- >If they don't know how to compile the kernel, they are probably not >ready for hacking GNU HURD yet. I very much recommend them to start >with submission of new-feature and bug-fix patches for existing Free >Software projects. > >http://savannah.gnu.org/people/ has a list of "Projects Needing Help" > >If they are already a free software contributor and a newbie, I won't >recommend kernel hacking in the first shot. > >,----[ "Rakesh \"arky\" Ambati" <rakesh_ambati(a)yahoo.com> ] >| When we started working on building FSF-Bangalore chapter,this was one >| of the issue that came up.We here at bangalore planning to hold >| meetings regularly wherein users (experts & newbie's alike) can >| bring-in their box's and get their problem's sorted out. >| >| We can even arrange special interest talks on topic's like using or >| programming GNU/Hurd. >| >| May be we can even build a digital library of free software.If someone >| wants a copy of GNU/Hurd he can burn it there for a nominal charge. >`---- > >Mridul Jain <mridul.jain(a)californiadigital.com> has good understanding >of GNU/HURD OS and its inner workings. He is in Bangalore and has >helped me fix critical bugs in my HURD RPCI project. He would be glad >to help. > >-- >Anand Babu >Free as in Freedom <www.gnu.org> _________________________________________________________________ Marriage? http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?72 Join BharatMatrimony.com for free.

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People from Hyderabad ??
by Tarun Gaur 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi Rakesh, Thanx for your prompt mail. Infact I mailed Dr. Nagarjun to find out if there is some Hyderabad Chapter or not? As per him we dont have it as yet. So i was thinking of getting some mail ids and contacting like minded people in hyderabad and throwing a small party for them and take it ahead from there. Please advise and suggest on how we could go about it. regards, tarun >From: "Rakesh \"arky\" Ambati" <rakesh_ambati(a)yahoo.com> >To: Tarun Gaur <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com>, fsf <fsf-friends(a)gnu.org.in> >Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Compiling HURD .. Lets revive fsf-prog !! >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:48:52 -0700 (PDT) > > > I fully agree with Sajit that we should start > > discussing some programming > > topics in the lists and help revive the list .... > > > Its really great idea,let's make sure that we stick >to discussing to free software programming only. > > > Let me initiate a technical discussion out there ... > > I have couple of > > friends who are very eager to start working on HURD > > but they have no idea on > > how to go about compiling their own kernel from > > scratch. Is there someone > > who is real good at it and can help the newbie's out > > .... > >When we started working on building FSF-Bangalore >chapter,this was one of the issue that came up.We here >at bangalore planning to hold meetings regularly >wherein users (experts & newbie's alike) can bring-in >their box's and get their problem's sorted out. > >We can even arrange special interest talks on topic's >like using or programming GNU/Hurd. > >May be we can even build a digital library of free >software.If someone wants a copy of GNU/Hurd he can >burn it there for a nominal charge. > > >tarun,please do let me know about any FSF related >activities in Hyd off the list. > > >--arky > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ >http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail on your mobile. Messenger on your mobile. http://www.msn.co.in/mobile/ Stay connected to what matters.

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Compiling HURD .. Lets revive fsf-prog !!
by Tarun Gaur 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi Friends, I fully agree with Sajith that we should start discussing some programming topics in the lists and help revive the list .... Let me initiate a technical discussion out there ... I have couple of friends who are very eager to start working on HURD but they have no idea on how to go about compiling their own kernel from scratch. Is there someone who is real good at it and can help the newbie's out .... Lets keep a date and Start our postings on this learning, if others can suggest other topics it will be great !! Let this be in fsf-prog .... Hail Open Source ! regards, tarun ============================================================ If not I, Then Who? If not now, Then when !! - Steve Waugh _________________________________________________________________ Marriage? http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?72 Join BharatMatrimony.com for free.

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Compiling HURD .. Lets revive fsf-prog !!
by Tarun Gaur 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

great Sajith, I was thinking of Actually going into the details of helping out newbies ... with step by step help. I have written mails to a lot of guys who would want to learn and contribute. I am sure we will see some activity soon in fsf-prog. regards, tarun >From: Sajith T S <sajith(a)symonds.net> >Reply-To: Sajith T S <sajith(a)symonds.net> >To: Tarun Gaur <gaur_tarun(a)hotmail.com> >CC: fsf-prog(a)mm.gnu.org.in >Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Compiling HURD .. Lets revive fsf-prog !! >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:10:39 +0530 > >Tarun Gaur wrote: > >>Let me initiate a technical discussion out there ... I have couple of >>friends who are very eager to start working on HURD but they have no >>idea on how to go about compiling their own kernel from scratch. Is there >>someone who is real good at it and can help the newbie's out > >Nice start Tarun :) > >To start working on Hurd, it is not at all necessary that you compile >kernel from scratch and all. You just install Debian GNU/Hurd and go :) > >See http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd > >If you want to start hacking stuff rightaway, there's the Hurd Hacking >Guide by Wolfgang Jährling. The Hurd Reference Manual is another source. > >I hope Anand Babu might step in and comment :) > >Regards, >Sajith. >-- >Your friends will know you better in the first moment you meet than >your acquaintances will know you in a lifetime. > -- Richard Bach, "Illusions" > > _________________________________________________________________ Strike the right balance! News, gossip n fundas! http://www.msn.co.in/women/ Get it all at MSN Women!

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