Fsf-friends November 2008

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Re: [Fsf-friends] FSFS.in will have a larger controversy
by CK Raju 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Nagarjuna G. <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org>wrote: > Therefore, if we do not mend our behavior or change our standpoint > according to who is supporting the movement (like an opportunist), we > are on the right path. > I thought of sending across this Cliff Richard's lines to Sun Microsystems. When I was young my father said "Sun I have something to say" And what he told me I'll never forget until my dyin' day. He said "Sun you are a bachelor boy and that's the way to stay. Sun, you be a bachelor boy until your dyin' day" Cheers, CK Raju

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Report & Decisions of Community Meeting (20-11-2008) on FSFS exhibition
by Anoop Jacob Thomas 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

Hello Friends, We had a Free Software Community meeting at Space Office, Trivandrum. The community has a special privilege of having few stalls in the upcoming conference(FSFS). The agenda of the meeting was to divide the stalls among the participating Free Software communities. The following people took part in the meeting, I doubt if I have left anyone, if so please update me. Ashik Salahudeen, Ranjith S Kumar, Anoop Jacob Thomas(myself), Saral, Mani, Cherry, Joju Joshua, Anoop S, Vimal Joseph, James P Mathews, Adhap, Rajiv S. R, Akhil Sasidharan We have decided to divide the stalls as themes. And 10 themes have been decided. 1. Why Free Software (why anyone should be using Free Software) 2. Install Fest (GNU/Linux install fest) 3. Repository Counter (Distros, distro repos, applications, games etc) 4. Copylefted Materials Counter (Printed copylefted articles) 5. SMC (Swathanthra Malayalam Computing) 6. Developing in Free Software (IDEs,Linux Kernel and device driver programming, Embedded Systems), 7. General Applications (GIMP, Blender, Openoffice.org, etc), 8. Scientific Computing (Scilab, Mayavi, Octave, Stellarium, Marble etc), 9. More Free Operating Systems (showing GNU/Hurd, React OS,OpenSolaris etc,for information to the student community as they can help further in development) 10. Fosstronics (Fedora electronics lab, Open Hardware etc) The main aim of the public event at Kanakakunnu(exhibition) is to educate the public. So we must be providing informative materials also. We need volunteers for this effort. We will be having a poster exhibition at Kanakakunnu Palace, we need posters for that purpose and few people have shown interest in creating posters. Others if not able to meet us personally need not worry, you can send the posters to my email id and also post it in the group. Eventhough themes have been decided we have not split up the themes among the communities. Members please throw in your ideas as to what all can be showcased among the 10 themes. So friends all of you can be a part of this Mega Event, you can take up any of the above themes. We can add more applications to theme 7 (general applications) if needed. And if anyone is ready to take a seminar on any topic related to Free Software please contact us. In Why Free Software, Install Fest and Repository Counters we wish to give out fliers(notice) which will contain neccesary information about Free Software, Contact Information of volunteers who can assist in installation, Equivalent Softwares etc. The copylefted articles counter will give information about Wikipedia. Printed copylefted articles will be showcased and we will be giving out a compilation of copylefted articles on CD or USB. SMC will assist a common man on all queries regarding Malayalam Computing. We can give notices so that people will be provided with a reference material. Developing in Free Software will showcase the IDEs like eclipse, anjuta etc. Linux Kernel and device driver programming will also be demonstrated. So infact we need volunteers who can take up each activity in the stalls. Communities please come up with your ideas. Those who have not joined FSFS-discuss please join the mailing list and be a part of the event. http://www.fsfs.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsfs-discuss Friends please post information about the conference in all communities you know and pass it to all you friends and family members. Anyone can contact me for information and suggestions. Please call me only on or after the 26th of Nov(as roaming incoming charges are high [:(]), but you can mail me. -- Anoop Jacob Thomas Mobile: 9846670945 Email: anoopjt(a)gmail.com Join: http://www.fsfs.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsfs-discuss

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Re: [Fsf-friends] Good bye to this list
by Deepa Paul |ദീപാ പോള്‍ 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Laxminarayan Kamath <kamathln(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 11/20/08, Deepa Paul |************ ************* > <deepa.paul(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Dear fellow comrades, >> >> Male Chauvinism rules this this list now. >> Deepa Paul > > > http://xkcd.com/385/ > > I can see some connection here. I just dunno what. > Thats a good one. Sarcasm accepted :-) Replying to list > -- > Laxminarayan Kamath Ammembal > http://lankerisms.blogspot.com > (+91) 9945036093 >

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Good bye to this list
by Deepa Paul |ദീപാ പോള്‍ 20 Nov '08

20 Nov '08

Dear fellow comrades, Male Chauvinism rules this this list now. Any of us are bot going to achieve anything out of it. I am really tired of reading mails with Chauvinist attacks and counters . This is the last request to stop this FLAME not at all based on the ethos of free software. If this continues I have to quit this space. I feel I am not the only one tired with this flames. I request all responsible members to relcaim this list . I am waiting 2 more days before saying good buy to list Deepa Paul

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Fox marries chicken, both moves to henhouse
by CK Raju 20 Nov '08

20 Nov '08

I found it hard to believe but the story is true. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Gardner/index.php?p=2369 CK Raju

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Re: [Fsf-friends] [FSUG-Bangalore] Blog post on National Conference & Boycott Novell Protest (PART - 1)
by Vikram Vincent 20 Nov '08

20 Nov '08

Till now I have been as polite and to the point focussing only on objective issues relevant to the future of the Free Software Movement in India and Karnataka in specific. But it seems that personal attacks seem to be the "in thing". Anivar, Read my clarification below. I shall make it bold to enable you to clearly read it.* My request for clarification is very clear I had asked Anivar to provide mails where I have been abusive in the least. * *I never asked him to delete reference that I walked over to read the handbills being pasted in the main venue. http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsug-bangalore/2008-November/002194.html* *http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsug-bangalore/2008-November/002196.html * 2008/11/20 Anivar Aravind <anivar.aravind(a)gmail.com> > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Vikram Vincent <vincentvikram(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > 2008/11/20 naveen mudunuru <naveenmudunuru(a)gmail.com> > >> > >> Anivar, > >> > >> i saw your blog and it is ridiculous, Vikram never requested you to omit > >> those lines he questioned ur statement and gave clarification about your > >> posting on his participation(as per his mail to the same list). > > It is true that he participated. You can confirm it with other people > participated in protest. But if he dont want to put this fact, the > only option in front of me is to strike that sentence. Why do you destroy your own credibility with such false statment? Read my reply above. I never denied coming over and reading your handbills. I only asked for clarification as to when have I sent abusive mails. > > > Anivar > > >Vikram > >> please clarify if you had a talk to him or mailed him anything other > than > >> what you mailed to the list. make some sense in what ever you write. > >** > > *My request for clarification is very clear > I had asked Anivar to provide mails where I have been abusive in the least. > I never asked him to delete reference that I walked over to read the > handbills being pasted in the main venue.* > * http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsug-bangalore/2008-November/002194.html<http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsug-bangalore/2008-November/002196.html> * *http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsug-bangalore/2008-November/002196.html *

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Fwd: [FSUG-Bangalore] Blog post on National Conference & Boycott Novell Protest (PART- 3)
by Vikram Vincent 20 Nov '08

20 Nov '08

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Fwd: [FSUG-Bangalore] Blog post on National Conference & Boycott Novell Protest (PART- 2)
by Vikram Vincent 20 Nov '08

20 Nov '08

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <naveen.nj(a)birlasoft.com> Date: 2008/11/20 Subject: Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] Blog post on National Conference & Boycott Novell Protest (PART- 2) To: fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in * PART – 2 * * (This is a continuation of PART-1. So first read PART-1 and then read PART- 2)*** *A Glimpse into The FSF Conference - CUSAT* I understand the passion the free software activists had while protesting against Novell, an outflow of grave anti-dominion feel. But this was not the way, especially considering that the protest against Novell was lead by a member of the program committee – there should've been some morale. 'NOVELL' was the next important thing after the conference from Saturday, considering the gargantuan 20x30 backdrop hung in the main stage. I must say, being humble enough to proclaim that I possess some basic common-sense that it is next to unbelievable that among the 15 – 20 people behind the BOYCOTT NOVELL MOVEMENT, not even one of them saw this banner. I remember Mr. Arkky (the cameraman in the exhibition hall) who send a mail about this, and many others retorting about this '*UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT'* but present in the inauguration ceremony. As per the hierarchy of incidents, the fact that Novell had a hand in sponsorship was realized too late by them, too difficult for me to accept considering the above facts, and even if they knew it early, instead of resorting to cheap publicity methods and making a mess of things they should've shown the sense of making it clear with other committee members like Anil and Deepak who have made their points clear through blogs and mails before. But they fled with their say-sos and made the innocents from MEC & TCR Engg College partners of their crime – conspiring how to make a huge mess out of the whole thing. Some* ALUMNI* did approach the organizers but not to gather support for BOYCOTT NOVELL movement, but to escape the hands of the volunteers for the chaos caused by these so called revolutionaries. Novell put up their stall only after giving the sponsorship cash to the organizers. I won't be able to digest the reason – even if I get one – why one among the program committee member himself lead this anarchy!!!!!!!. Why I call it a beautiful drama, I'll speak about later - but after this drama of incidents I had a casual chat with the organizers of the Novell stall. They actually thanked the protestors – how wonderful – as the whole incidents boosted up their publicity. People who knew nothing about Novell now know everything about it – the very purpose of stalls & publicity. 'Boycott Novell' posters were pasted in many stalls forcefully. Banners welcoming the delegates put up on behalf of the various associations like Cochin University Employees Association and Cochin University Teachers Association etc had no escape... Dr Bhasi, a highly honored faculty of CUSAT, when trying to obstruct the chaos that ensued in the exhibition hall was probed about his authority in the matter. It is demeaning to note that a former student stooped to such low levels as to ask such a respected man to remove the posters himself. I do take this as an opportunity to express my heartfelt regret at such an action. Even the University Security Officer, Mr. Suresh Babu – an extremely student friendly officer, was assaulted by questions about his authority and was asked to show his identity card – how appalling for him, for us. Volunteers, pushing away their exam pressures going on throughout this month did an awesome job to make the whole program a grant success – their dedication and commitment to the principles of such a movement being the driving force. Unfortunately they too weren't spared. The 'former students' who did witness a variant of such an atrocity during Culturals and Sports can have a better understanding, I suppose. *(To be continued as PART – 3)* Regards, Naveen ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Anivar Aravind* <anivar.aravind(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:51 PM Subject: [FSUG-Bangalore] My Blog post on National Conference & Boycott Novell Protest To: Principal Support List of FSF-India <fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in>, Free Software Users Group - Bangalore <fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in>, Free Software User Group Thrissur- Discussion list <discuss(a)lists.fsugtsr.org> I blogged about the national Conference & Boycott Novell Protest http://anivar.movingrepublic.org/2008/national-free-software-conference-boy… If you are any more questions to me. Leave a comment on the post . I will update the FAQ Anivar -- I am always happy when I am Protesting: Richard M. 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Fwd: [FSUG-Bangalore] Blog post on National Conference & Boycott Novell Protest (PART - 1)
by Vikram Vincent 20 Nov '08

20 Nov '08

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <naveen.nj(a)birlasoft.com> Date: 2008/11/20 Subject: Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] Blog post on National Conference & Boycott Novell Protest (PART - 1) To: fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in *PART - 1* ** *A Glimpse into The FSF Conference - CUSAT* I am a fresher – in all aspects – into FSF. I feel my pulse mount when I see monopoly, the reason that leads me down here. I was back to my campus (CUSAT) last weekend when I came to know about this conference and had the honor of being a delegate for the last two days. But what I witnessed finally had to be mentioned about, at least to serve my mindset. A Temple of Education – one like CUSAT – esteemed to be one among the best in the state has been affronted by some recent series of atrocious incidents happened during the Free Software National Conference - labeling the students and teachers of this prestigious institution as erratic and irresponsible, questioning their integrity and devotion. It has been raised by some 'former students' and some so-called revolutionaries who love to be addressed as the 'proprietors of free software movement, supported by a few intellects. I, as an alumni and a witness to the roll of incidents take it as my obligation to comment on it. The SFI and the CUSAT University Union is being blamed in the light of the recent incidents that took place. But the fact that it was SFI who first invited Richard Stallman *(Prophet of FSF)*to preside over the Students Parliament which held on 2004 in Trivandrum and that it was the CUSAT University Union who made the platform for him in CUSAT is being deliberately kept under cover. The tradition of CUSAT B.Tech Students - has been put down! There was a time when they retorted the monopoly of the big players when the American Dictator was screeching Iraq with bombs - with pure rejection of sponsorships from big-names like Pepsi & Coke and moved into the court raising fund from among them to accomplish their Culturals & Sports. Let's get into the nerves of this Novell Whim. Only two days before the conference started did the organizing committee get the sponsorship from Novell - the reason why Novell's name was omitted from the official website of the conference. Organizing committee is at an obvious burden for not letting themselves know who is pouring in such a huge amount – lack of commonsense, I must say!!! But its beating around the bush, let me hit on the nail - the fact that Novell's stall appeared in the exhibition only on Saturday morning while the exhibition actually started on Thursday, is the ultimate proof that sponsorship from Novell was confirmed only on Thursday or Friday. It is intriguing that even after knowing this one of the program committee members himself is raising the issue that Novell's name was purposefully omitted from the conference website. This has to be thought off amply. *(To be continued as Part 2)* Regards, Naveen ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Anivar Aravind* <anivar.aravind(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:51 PM Subject: [FSUG-Bangalore] My Blog post on National Conference & Boycott Novell Protest To: Principal Support List of FSF-India <fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in>, Free Software Users Group - Bangalore <fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in>, Free Software User Group Thrissur- Discussion list <discuss(a)lists.fsugtsr.org> I blogged about the national Conference & Boycott Novell Protest http://anivar.movingrepublic.org/2008/national-free-software-conference-boy… If you are any more questions to me. Leave a comment on the post . I will update the FAQ Anivar -- I am always happy when I am Protesting: Richard M. Stallman _______________________________________________ FSUG-Bangalore mailing list FSUG-Bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsug-bangalore _______________________________________________ FSUG-Bangalore mailing list FSUG-Bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsug-bangalore

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Freedom of expression cant be suppressed with muscle power
by Anivar Aravind 20 Nov '08

20 Nov '08

Freedom of expression cant be suppressed with muscle power. MES students recovered deleted videos from their memory card. I posted them in my blog post http://anivar.movingrepublic.org/2008/national-free-software-conference-boy… -- Any responsible politician should be encouraging a home grown Free Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs. Learning Windows is like learning to eat every meal at McDonalds.

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