Linuxers November 2003

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] AMD processor ??
by Vishal Belsare 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

> From: T Roy <troylinux(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [ILUG-BOM]AMD processor ?? > I want a AMD Athalon XP( 1.8Ghz) processor(with 256MB > DDRAM) but there have been rumours that the processor > gets heated up and could hang the system. Yes, AMD's Athlons do heat up a lot, but I don't think its a major 'problem'. I use AthlonXP 2000+, with MSI's KT4V (Via KT400 chipset), 256 Mb DDR, nVIDIA GeForce4 64 Mb Display. (thank you to a good friend made here on LUG, who helped me out making the machine) I run Mandrake 9.1 currently, and moving quickly toward a Gentoo install on the same machine. [Visu, you'll be there, right? ;-) ] I replaced the fan which came along with the processor, by a Thermaltake Volcano copper bottom fan with a higher RPM. Sure it works great man. Gave me 4-5 C less. The idle temperature is around 50 C, and reaches around 57 C under some intensive tasks, maybe like playing Quake. > > My room is not well ventilated, only cooling source is > Fan. In such a case would AMD give me a problem? Get a good fan if the fan from AMD isn't satisfactory. & yes, if you're too paranoid, then see if someone can get you a good thermal paste, like Arctic Silver's Ceramique or Shin Etsu's G751. They might help you with a degree or two. Add up all, a good fan, a good grease and keeping the cabinet un-congested and all grills clean, you should have a decent machine at some 4,000-5,000 Rupees less than Intel's Pentium. > > Has anyone worked with XP series processors and how > was your experience? The machine would be used solely > for Linux( thats why I want to get a cheap > processor ). Athlon maybe 'cheap' but it is surely a good processor. If you want to go REALLY cheap consider VIA's C-3 at 667 Mhz at Rs. 475 /- and C-3 800 Mhz at Rs. 1075/- :-))) > > I do face a heating problem. The temperature easily rises to 60+ oC > without any process using CPU cycles. Its not a problem, AMD's spec sheet says that AthlonXP is fine until you take it to furnace at somewhere around 90 C, so 60 C sounds tame. But I appreciate your concerns. > I use CPUIdle on Windows which does a very good job to keep the > temperature down to 25 oC when CPU is not in use(even when the room > temperature is 30+ oC). > CPUIdle and other such softwares might *not* be a good long-term solution. AFAIK IMHO, such software cooling solutions halt the FSB time & again, and this leads to some deterioration of the hardware over time. Nothing can substitute a good physical solution to thermal issues. > BTW is there any utility on Linux like "CPUIdle" which "cools" the CPU > while not in use? > I believe there is a HOWTO especially for Athlon cooling under Linux. If you're the adventurous kind and are blessed with a decent 24/7365 internet connection, install Gentoo Linux. My dear friend reported to me that his fps count went up from 850-900 fps to 1700-1800 fps JUST by changing to Gentoo Linux, getting the one which is specifically optimized for AthlonXP processors. That is squeezing out the most out of the combination of a good processor and a good distribution. Extreme value for your money with the trade-off that you gotta rack your brains a little with the Gentoo offering! > > > > I think linux kernel does internal cpu power management and does not > need any such utility... Yes I guess, but I dont think its enough for Athlons... I still am trying to figure out an integral solution to spinning down hard-disks, clocking down the CPU, and turning off the display in a timed manner. ACPI doesnt seem too well supported atleast till 2.4.21. I believe 2.4.22 resolved many ACPI issues. with good ACPI support, Athlon + GNU-Linux combination rocks. Vishal A. Belsare. -- Practise economy at any cost.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM]Dynamic Bandwidth Control
by Mahesh Gharat 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

Try CBQ http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bandwidth-Limiting-HOWTO/cbq.html http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bandwidth-Limiting-HOWTO/faq.html = Hope this Helps! Best Regards, Mahesh Gharat Technical Consultant - Information Security MIEL e-Security Pvt.= Ltd. C- 611 / 612, Floral Deck Plaza, MIDC Central Road, Andhe= ri (E), Mumbai 400 093, India. Tel No:+ 91 (022) 2821 5050 = Fax No:+ 91 (022) 2821 5838 Email: mgharat(a)mielesecurity.com = On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 K i r @ n G h a g wrote : = >Next LUG meet: 9 Nov 2003 around 4 pm - VJTI >-------------= ------------------------------- >Hi all, > >Ther= e is one situation...imagine a intranet which is to be hooked up to &= gt;internet through a proxy server. >do you know any intelligent p= roxy server that will allow dynamic bandwidth >allocation with use= r starvation prevention....to talk in simple terms... >1. i should= be able to allocate max bandwidth usage to a user in peak >traffi= c time >2. when traffic is not present, this limit can be exccedde= d > >normally this will happen, i mean, if there is only = one user, he would enjoy >faster speed. but as the users add up, t= he speed slows down drastically. and >the operation is not determi= nistic...i cannot guarantee that a particular >user is limited usi= ng a max bandwidth qouta > >any clues/links..??? &g= t; >links to HOWTOs would be great.. > > &= gt;Thanks and Regards, >Kiran Ghag >Software Engineer @ P= atni Computers, India >Work Phone: +91 (22) 2829 1454 Extension 52= 36 >Web Page: http://kiran7.freeservers.com > ><= BR> > >Wishing without work is like fishing without bait. = >-- Frank Tyger > > >-- >http://m= m.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers = [1] [www=] References 1. 3D"http://clients.rediff.com/signature/track_s

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RE: [ILUG-BOM]AMD processor ??
by Aseem Rane 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

> > BTW is there any utility on Linux like "CPUIdle" which "cools" the CPU > > while not in use? > > I think linux kernel does internal cpu power management and does not need > any such utility... > not sure but felt like read somehting like this somewhere... In that case, I think, I will have to recompile the kernel. Because default kernel with RedHat 8.0 or 9 doesnt seem to do that. I wonder why they have not kept this option active. Regards Aseem

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Re: [ILUG-BOM]AMD processor ??
by Devender Kumar Saini 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

Hi ! I am having following combination: AMD XP Athalon 2000 on Asus AN7 266VM with 256DDRAM. The board has nVIDIA GeForce 2. I never had a problem with this combination & my pc remain on for more than 10 hrs perday continuously. MSI KT Ultra would be little more expensive but might offer you more like blue tooth. Afterall dicision would be yours. Good luck, Devender ---- _________________________________________________________________ Make fun prints Click here to order. http://www.kodakexpress.co.in Delivery anywhere in India.

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[ILUG-BOM]Knoppix 3.3 cd availability.
by Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

Does someone have knoppix 3.3 cd ? I'd like to buy a copy. btw, how do I change the X resolution in knoppix (or debian) ? thanks, Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri Homeopath and Linux Enthusiast. Mumbai, India. http://www.pavri.net/

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[ILUG-BOM]viewing ppt presentations
by Vivekanand Bachche 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

hi, is there any "lightweight" package that can be used to view ppt files... the package i want is to be installed on debian.. can anybody help me.... thanx in advance. warm regards , vivek __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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[ILUG-BOM]Topics at LUG meet - 09-11-2003
by Sthitaprajna 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

Hi Is there a finalisation of topics that are to be discussed on teh LUG meet on teh 9th of November, VJTI? -- Regards

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Re: [ILUG-BOM]How do I redirect streams ?
by Yogesh Kulkarni 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

>I need some help from you guys. >Inshort, the streams should be redirected at runtime. >Please help me out... any trick or utility program or >anything that I can do for it is welcome. >Thanx in advance. >Akhilesh. Refer man pages for close dup and dup2 calls. --yogesh

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[ILUG-BOM]Srini On Vacation
by SRINIVAS TURAGA 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

I will be out of the office starting 30/10/2003 and will not return until 03/11/2003. Catch U Soon Folks!......

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Re: [ILUG-BOM]viewing ppt presentations
by Santosh Majety 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

Hi vivek One package I know about is Crossover package which can be installed on any Linux machine and run windows applications such as "Word" "powerpoint" and "Excel". But I am afraid you have to pay some amount for the full version. But the trial version is readily available and is free for download. Hope this package would be of help to you. Bye Santosh ----- Original Message ----- From: Vivekanand Bachche <bvivekb4u(a)yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:20:48 -0800 (PST) To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: [ILUG-BOM]viewing ppt presentations > Next LUG meet: 9 Nov 2003 around 4 pm - VJTI > -------------------------------------------- > hi, > is there any "lightweight" package that can be used to > view ppt files... > the package i want is to be installed on debian.. > > can anybody help me.... > > thanx in advance. > > warm regards , > vivek > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze

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