Linuxers September 2004

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[ILUG-BOM] (fwd) [Sysads] TOTAL POWER SUPPLY SHUT DOWN FOR THE ENTIRE CAMPUS ON 12.9.2004 (fwd)
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 11 Sep '04

11 Sep '04

FYI. Power shutdown on IIT campus on Sunday morning. I had not seen this earlier ... The meet is in the evening, so lets keep our fingers crossed. Sameer. -- forwarded message -- Newsgroups: it.general Subject: [Sysads] TOTAL POWER SUPPLY SHUT DOWN FOR THE ENTIRE CAMPUS ON 12.9.2004 (fwd) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:15:47 +0530 Organization: Kanwal Rekhi School of Information Technology INDIAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY BOMBAY =09 Electrical Maintenance Division No: EMD/B-28/2004 CIRCULAR=09=096th Sept. 2004 TOTAL POWER SUPPLY SHUT DOWN FOR THE ENTIRE CAMPUS ON 12.9.2004 This is to inform all the electricity users in the Campus that M/s. The Tat= a Power Co. Ltd., supplier of electricity, is carrying out metering potentia= l transformer structure replacement/repair on 12.9.04 Sunday. The mutually agreed time for the work is about two and half hours starting from 09.00 a.= m. on 12.9.04. To carry out this work, 22KV supply to the entire campus has = to be kept off. Though the work is planned, the same is being carried out by outside agency, and hence users are requested to bear with the inconvenienc= e if the time is extended due to necessity of unexpected work. Inconvenience caused is regretted. =09=09=09=09=09Executive Engineer(Elect.)(SG) _______________________________________________ Sysads mailing list -- end of forwarded message -- -- Research Scholar, KReSIT, IIT Bombay http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~sameerds/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sept 12 GLUG Meet
by venky1＠vsnl.com 11 Sep '04

11 Sep '04

My replies below: From: Trevor Warren <trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com> <snip> > Whats the itenary for the meet?. Is it possible to > have this in the morning this time around just to see > the outcome???. Next time, maybe? We'll stick to 4PM on Sunday September 12th this time. One of the objectives of planning in advance is to avoid last minute chopping and changing. Also, cannot reschedule the speakers. Agenda is the talk on FLOSS and IPR issues by Ms. Nappinai and Subramaniam Vutha of the Technology Law Forum. <snip> > > there any issues that need to be discusses? > > any voluneteers who could steer a healthy debate on > some core issues > > if possible lets also talk about some of the > activities we could spawn One item for the agenda could be more localized LUG meets, though I tend to agree with Nagarjuna that the Mumbai GLUG list should exists as it is. Venky

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Sept 12 GLUG Meet
by Venkatesh (Venky) Hariharan 11 Sep '04

11 Sep '04

Dear All, Here is an article by RMS which is topical since this Sunday's GLUG Mumbai meeting will focus on the issues of patents and FLOSS. Prof. DB Phatak had to cancel his talk this Sunday, hence the first session will focus on Free/Open Source Software and IPR issues. Mitul said that he will try to put together a talk on PHP Resty. Do remember that the entry to KReSIT will be through the parking lot at the back of the building since it is a Sunday and the main doors are closed. Regards, Venky 98214-47800 How to fight software patents - singly and together Thursday September 09, 2004 (04:10 PM GMT) By: Richard M. Stallman Software patents are the software project equivalent of land mines: Each design decision carries a risk of stepping on a patent, which can destroy your project. Developing a large and complex program means combining many ideas, often hundreds or thousands of them. In a country that allows software patents, chances are that some substantial fraction of the ideas in your program will be patented already by various companies. Perhaps hundreds of patents will cover parts of your program. A study in 2004 found almost 300 U.S. patents that covered various parts of a single important program. It is so much work to do such a study that only one has been done. Practically speaking, if you are a software developer, you will usually be threatened by one patent at a time. When this happens, you may be able to escape unscathed if you find legal grounds to overturn the patent. You may as well try it; if you succeed, that will mean one less mine in the field. If this patent is particularly threatening to the public, the Public Patent Foundation may take up the case; that is its specialty. If you ask for the computer-using community's help in searching for prior publication of the same idea, to use as evidence to overturn a patent, we should all respond with whatever useful information we might have. However, fighting patents one by one will never eliminate the danger of software patents, any more than swatting mosquitoes will eliminate malaria. You cannot expect to defeat every patent that comes at you, any more than you can expect to kill every monster in a video game: sooner or later, one is going to defeat you and damage your program. The U.S. patent office issues around 100,000 software patents each year; our best efforts could never clear these mines as fast as they plant more. Some of these mines are impossible to clear. Every software patent is harmful, and every software patent unjustly restricts how you use your computer, but not every software patent is legally invalid according to the patent system's criteria. The software patents we can overturn are those that result from "mistakes," where the patent system's rules were not properly carried out. There is nothing we can do when the only relevant mistake was the policy of allowing software patents. To make a part of the castle safe, you've got to do more than kill the monsters as they appear -- you have to wipe out the generator that produces them. Overturning existing patents one by one will not make programming safe. To do that, we have to change the patent system so that patents can no longer threaten software developers and users. There is no conflict between these two campaigns; we can work on the short-term escape and the long-term fix at once. If we take care, we can make our efforts to overturn individual software patents do double duty, building support for efforts to correct the whole problem. The crucial point is not to equate "bad" software patents with mistaken or invalid software patents. Each time we invalidate one software patent, each time we talk about our plans to try, we should say in no uncertain terms, "One less software patent, one less menace to programmers: the target is zero." The battle over software patents in the European Union is reaching a crucial stage. The European Parliament voted a year ago to reject software patents conclusively. In May, the Council of Ministers voted to undo the Parliament's amendments and make the directive even worse than when it started. However, at least one country that supported this has already reversed its vote. We must all do our utmost right now to convince an additional European country to change its vote, and to convince the newly elected members of the European Parliament to stand behind the previous vote. Please refer to www.ffii.org for more information on how to help and to get in touch with other activists. Copyright 2004 Richard Stallman. Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article are permitted worldwide without royalty in any medium provided this notice is preserved.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux on Cell
by Raseel Bhagat 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Hey guysm this link is really good. Folow it around, it= s actually very intriguing and fascinating..... we can build up from = here. Raseel. On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 Asit Vad= havkar wrote : >FYI >http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3= 421076804.html > >cheers >- Asit > = >On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:27:32 +0530, Rajesh Rajani <rajeshr(a)vsnl.c= om> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > >Thank= s for showin interest, I dont have practical knowledge about how to &= gt; > >alter the kernel for Nokia but I have good knowledge about wha= t features > > >are available in particular phone(Nokia), wh= at OS it has and what are its > > >limitations also how we c= an enhance it. I know what kind of hardware is > > >required= for transffering stuff to Cell (not MMS n Tones it uses different &g= t; > >Cable). I suppose if few enthusiasts show inetrest in this we c= an give it > > >a try and I'm sure we can do it as nothings = impossible. > > > > IAAESP (I am an embedded softwa= re programmer). > > > > I admire your enthusiasm. I= t will be well placed if you have some > > background in develo= ping kernels for RTOS, etc. Not even writing > > applications o= n RTOS is enough to get into the kernel of such a beast leave > &g= t; aside knowing just the feature set. You may have seriously underestimate= d > > the effort involved in such an endeavour. > > > > That aside, the practical problem for such a project is ge tting the > > hardware information of the cell phone in questio= n. Just knowing the > > processor is not enough, you need to kn= ow the memory map, the peripherals > > connected, etc. For conn= ectivity you wil need to know the protocols, etc. > > >= ; > Nokia is not encouraging anyone to develop any software for it's pho= nes > > which use the Nokia OS (apart from using J2ME). You can develop C++ > > applications for Series 60 phones which use th= e Symbian OS but all the > > interesting APIs are not available= . The OS abstracts all the details of the > > hardware and no h= ardware info is actually available for any Nokia phone > > AFAI= K. Replacing the OS on such phones is going to be VERY difficult if not = > > impossible. You can find technical info for any Nokia phone in= the > > developer section of the website. > > = > > If you want to play around with cell phones, the Motorola Linu= x phone seems > > to be the best bet since all the info will li= kely be available. > > > > All the best in your ven= ture. > > > > Regards, > > Rajesh = > > > > > > > > > >= ; -- > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/m= ailman/listinfo/linuxers Raseel Bhagat [1] [www.rediff=] References 1. 3D"http://clients.rediff.com/signature/track_sig.asp"

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] An Idea
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

On Thursday 09 September 2004 22:39, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: > kishor bhagwat wrote: > > >>farmers (anyone remember Amchi Mati Amchi Mansa?) > > > >I DO!!! pretty neat and informative program - used to be > >primetime too at 4pm i think.. some of it was neat. Some downright dnagerous like use of pesticides and fertilizers which are known carcinogens and denetic disrupters. > > It was actually prime time stuff. They used to show it at 7:30 or > 8:00 pm in the evening. Since there was no other channel to > watch........ > saswata Yeah only serious government propoganda about foreign hands and India is Indira and the great achivements of government undertakings and how fortunate we were to be accepted as subjects of the great congress raj. Never mind it took 8 yrs to get a phone, and a lathi charge and tear gas to book Hamara bajaj. Two generations brainwashed by utter rubbish in the guise of patriotism. OH how i miss propoganda. If only DD makes it's archives public it would provide great entertainment

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[commercial] trainers required
by pramila 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Hi Everyone, We urgently require trainers for: 1. PHP 2. Perl 3. MySQL Its a 5-7 day training will have to be conducted @ 3 hours per day during week days. Those interested may mail their profiles to prami_22(a)linuxmail.org with expected remuneration per hour. Thanx, Pramila --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

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apologies for the repetitive emails
by Trevor Warren 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Afternoon guys, I seem to have lost my mind with my webmail client causing you all to be spammed with three copies of a mail. Please ignore and apologies again. Trevor ===== ( >- -< ) /~\ ______________________________________ /~\ | \) / Scaling FLOSS in the Enterprise \ (/ | |_|_ \ trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com / _|_| \____________________________________/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Re: Linux requirement
by Trevor Warren 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Morning all, We are looking out for the Facility Management Services (FMS)for our Networking department. We are looking for the engineers with proficiency in the following:- * * Operating System : Proficient in various flavors of Gnu-Linux/UNIX operating system. Knowledge of Shell scripting and Linux kernel is preferable. Hardware Platform o o Intel range of server and desktop RISC based server * * Office Automation : Services like Microsoft ISA, Mailing software e.g. Microsoft Exchange, SQUID mail, Microsoft Active Directory structure e.g. ADS etc. Networking o o Hands on experience on LAN/WAN, structured cabling. o Thorough knowledge on TCP/IP, protocols and various communication modes o Conversant with Internet technology and data communication. o Network Design and Management Co-ordination with telecom service provider, vendors. * Security o o Network security components like SSH/SSL, Firewall, IDS etc. PKI and its implementation using Smart Card technology * General o o Knowledge of programming and testing of application will be an added advantage. Conceptual Knowledge on database management techniques, Software support and Analytical skills. Please email your c.v's to "Ajit Shinde <AjitS(a)nsdl.co.in>". Trevor ===== ( >- -< ) /~\ ______________________________________ /~\ | \) / Scaling FLOSS in the Enterprise \ (/ | |_|_ \ trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com / _|_| \____________________________________/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Re: Linux requirement
by Trevor Warren 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Morning all, We are looking out for the Facility Management Services (FMS)for our Networking department. We are looking for the engineers with proficiency in the following:- * * Operating System : Proficient in various flavors of Gnu-Linux/UNIX operating system. Knowledge of Shell scripting and Linux kernel is preferable. Hardware Platform o o Intel range of server and desktop RISC based server * * Office Automation : Services like Microsoft ISA, Mailing software e.g. Microsoft Exchange, SQUID mail, Microsoft Active Directory structure e.g. ADS etc. Networking o o Hands on experience on LAN/WAN, structured cabling. o Thorough knowledge on TCP/IP, protocols and various communication modes o Conversant with Internet technology and data communication. o Network Design and Management Co-ordination with telecom service provider, vendors. * Security o o Network security components like SSH/SSL, Firewall, IDS etc. PKI and its implementation using Smart Card technology * General o o Knowledge of programming and testing of application will be an added advantage. Conceptual Knowledge on database management techniques, Software support and Analytical skills. Please email your c.v's to "Ajit Shinde <AjitS(a)nsdl.co.in>". Trevor ===== ( >- -< ) /~\ ______________________________________ /~\ | \) / Scaling FLOSS in the Enterprise \ (/ | |_|_ \ trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com / _|_| \____________________________________/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Re: Linux requirement
by Trevor Warren 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

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