Linuxers February 2005

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] did anyone say linux is only for geeks ?
by Ninad 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

Hi I have been using Linux for the past 4 years (started out in mid 2000). My family members identify me as a linux Fanatic.After all these years they are used to names like Slackware/Red Hat/Ubuntu. My son who is 1.5 years old can already identify the logo of Red Hat.( I had casually mentioned this name along with other logos like pepsi,intel,ibm) and also likes the tux picture in magazines. I do not get much time to log on to my Pc other than office but the last time I started and ran windows was 6 months back. It is addictive!!!!!!! Ninad Bapat

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] did anyone say linux is only for geeks ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

On Thursday 03 February 2005 11:22, Erle Pereira wrote: > my mum uses linux for the past few years.Never really sat on a > windows m/c. Recently went to my bros place and tried to use the > comp. After a short while, she put up her hands in despair, and > said > "i cant use this, its too confusing!" That is exactly how i feel in a cybercafe using windose. It was the same feeling switching from dos to windose95. But switching from windos98 to RH6.0 was thrilling. I was in control of the binary beast once again. And the stupid 6215c display card and i810 mobo with shared ram, did they open up your eyes to the World of HighTech politics. I stopped buying intel stuff for quite some time. Intel lost about Rs.70 lacs of my bussiness. Today i do not touch anything which is not supported under GNU/linux . The reason - a company which does not disclose sufficient details for writing drivers has only malafide intent as far as it's customers are concerned. They are holding me and my bussiness and my customers as hostage. Strange that the vast majority of bussinesses do not grok this fundamental fact. Perhaps they hold their customers hostage. Which is good - when i make my pitch i am sure to grab those customers ;-). rgds jtd

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uninstalling files in mandrake 10
by journo shiv 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

don't understand all this tech stuff. I just want to uininstall the pppoe client that comes pre-installed with mandrake 10 so I can install something else. both are not compatible. actually, i think this mandrake 10 sucks. does anyone know of any linux app which is really similar to windows? shiv kumar > ATTACHMENT part 3.4 message/rfc822 > From: "Adil Kodian" <akodian(a)gmail.com> > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" > <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:15:47 -0700 > Subject: RE: [ILUG-BOM] uninstalling files in > mandrake 10 > > what do you mean uninstall files ? > > was it a rpm package ? if so, did you install it > using urpmi or just > rpm -ivh <filename>.rpm ? If so - simply urpme or > rpm -e > > if it is a source tar.gz file, and you ran > ./configure and make install as > root, without giving any prefix, then simply run > configure again to find out > the default install directories. just delete those > files and you should be > fine. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > [mailto:linuxers-bounces@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On > Behalf Of journo shiv > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:52 AM > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] uninstalling files in mandrake > 10 > > > dear all, > where is the uninstaller in Mandrake 10? and the > help > files? and the.... > > I just downloaded in2net_linux-1.1-1.i386 software > from Rohit B's website kiraninfotech to access > pacenet. now I have uninstall the existing pppoe > client to get the new program going. how to do this? > > shiv kumar > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > ATTACHMENT part 3.5 message/rfc822 > From: SeekingGyan <linuxlinux(a)gmail.com> > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" > <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:12:17 +0530 > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL ADSL > > Hi all, > > MTNL is testing their broadband services across > bombay. I have applied > for it but they said it will take atleast 45 days to > get a connection > as they are still testing in other areas of the > city. ... ( me based > at borivli ) > > the engg was not aware about linux support but said > they are using all > standard and latest stuff ... > > has anyone tested it on linux ? > > More info on this service is here > http://mumbai.mtnl.net.in/internetservices/adsl/triband.html > > -- Harsh > > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] did anyone say linux is only for geeks ?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

On Thursday 03 February 2005 11:29, Vinayakam Murugan wrote: > I have a five year old daughter and have started to teach her > computers at home. I am starting off with Knoppix. She loves the > Potato Guy Game. I want to teach her about word processors and > spreadsheets rather than Word and Excel. > > can anyone suggest any good packages for the agegroup around 5-7 > years? I am planning to start weekly sessions for my nephews also > now. http://www.linuxforkids.org/ http://mirror.pacific.net.au/osg/Linux/ http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-jr/ IMHO teaching kids linux is not about computers and software. It also helps them to take the crap dished out of news papers, TV and companies with a healthy pinch of salt. It makes them independent, discerning and responsible citizens. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] re: uninstalling files in mandrake 10
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

>> >> shiv kumar >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: akodian(a)gmail.com >> Subject: uninstalling files in mandrake 10 >> >> >> A little knowledge is a dangerous thing - read up on >> linux package On Wednesday 02 February 2005 11:33, journo shiv wrote: > hey one thought computer software meant for the lay > user must be intuitive in nature. Every distro has a dialler by default. AFAIK wvdial, pon / poff is available on every distro including floppy based ones. And the distro is very intitutive to the distro creators and it's umpteen users. Please do not confuse one persons intution (or lack thereof) with another persons. > one doesn't have to > go out and get a degree in software coding to install > a dialer!!!!! You dont. But reading about the stuff u r going to "intutively" install on your m/c does help to convert intution to fact. Configuration of a dialler to a specific localised ISP's requirements without sufficient information has very little to do with intution. > > the comment below simply smacks of the disdain a > sectin of the linux community has for the lay user. Yeah?. Telling somone to read up before his intution screws his disk completely is disdain. Man get a life. And while we are at it dont top post and do trim the irrelevant portions of the previous mail. Disk space and bandwidth does not come free u see. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re:(ot) trying to escape-dependence [was] MTNL ADSL
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

On Wednesday 02 February 2005 19:02, svaksh wrote: > On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:32:43 +0500, sherlock(a)vsnl.com > > FOSS community is about independence and effort to understand and > > excell in computing. If people are happy behind the gates so be > > it. If somone feels differently go ahead and do the needful > > nobody's stopping u. > > > > rgds > > jtd > > Unfortunately, you continue to miss the point of both the > articles... :( Absolutely not. > Any product (free or otherwise) is used by *all* > (incl non-geeks) but if the FOSS community wishes to be the only > consumer of its creation, then so be it. > List members usually help others *freely* minus prejudice, thereby > sharing knowledge. Repeating one self ad infinitum is not sharing knowledge it is drudgery, which prevents the knowledgeable from doing other more important tasks like writing code, debugging, writing manuals, liasing with clueless service providers etc. The point here is that the guys who migrate from windose know how to search the web for music and antivirus stuff and updates galore, but do not know how to search for info about the simplest of things under linux. My clobbered mind fails to see the logic. Nor do they have netiqette. Which doubles up everybody's work of filtering manually messages with no subject, scrolling thru entire top posted mails etc. > If one does not have either the time or patience > for 'so-called' stupid questions by newbies, feel free to delete > the msg or unsubscribe. They are not forcing anyone to help so it > certainly does not justify rudeness. Silence helps, imho ;) -- Be happy that posters without netiquette are not booted out. It's not the dumb questions, it's the lack of effort in using easily and readily available information first. It's a lot easier to google than post and wait and then read ten mails abt the solution. And u will notice that inspite of a less than flowery reception to such mails there is very rarely a personal attack on anyone. So imnho silence is very bad. Be happy that posters without netiquette are not booted out for consuming bandwidth, disk space, and other peoples' time. And posting to a mailing list is like singing in a bus. It forces everyone to listen,( but not to rants like this one - the OT in the subject line will tell ur filter to send it to /dev/null.) rgds jtd

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did anyone say linux is only for geeks ?
by SeekingGyan 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

Thirteen-year-old Elizabeth Garbee may not know as much about Linux as her father Bdale Garbee, Linux CTO for Hewlett Packard and former Debian Project Leader, but that won't stop her from presenting at linux.conf.au 2005. http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39179560,00.htm

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL ADSL
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

On Wednesday 02 February 2005 09:05, Nagarjuna G. wrote: > > I think it is part of our community's obligation to write and get > these things written down in their advertisements. Could Terrence > take this responsibility, and if you need help, I can ask Anurag to > take some burden and meet the officers personally. along with M$ > GNU/Linux should also be listed as supported. And their > docuementation should also include howtos for these systems. Tell > them we will help them to get the relevant info. > > Nagarjuna I would be more than willing to provide the conf files and instructions for debian. I dont care about the commercial distros. They should be doing this in the first place and have ample resources for this. Let me know the names / email ids of the concerned officers. Also reliance maybe violating the gpl. Extract from copyright notice in /common/rconnect # Reliance reserves all rights not expressly granted. You may not # reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the software, except # and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by # applicable law notwithstanding this limitation. And one binary file /common/check which is using glibc for which there are no sources. rgds jtd

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4
by Yasar Curtay 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

Does any one have FreeBSD 5.3.1 . please let me know. i have been trying to download this off the net at my 2kbps speed and it gets stuck at 250mb .. not going over it. so if anyone have the cds kindly help me out. On Tue Feb 01 22:35:55 PST 2005, linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in <linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> wrote: > Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-owner(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. ppp nak/rej error (anandraj soni) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "anandraj soni" <araj1509(a)rediffmail.com> > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Date: 1 Feb 2005 17:49:30 -0000 > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] ppp nak/rej error > I have tried using configuring internet on linux using pppd and am getting following error. It says that I am connected, but no web page opens. Also ping replies with correct results to the ISP's IP address. Kindly send me solutions to same. Folowing is the log message that I got. > > <starts here> > Feb 1 22:41:37 localhost pppd[13689]: pppd 2.4.2 started by root, uid 0 > Feb 1 22:41:38 localhost chat[13819]: send (AT^M) > Feb 1 22:41:38 localhost chat[13819]: expect (OK) > Feb 1 22:41:38 localhost chat[13819]: ^M > Feb 1 22:41:38 localhost chat[13819]: OK > Feb 1 22:41:38 localhost chat[13819]: -- got it > Feb 1 22:41:38 localhost chat[13819]: send (ATD#777^M) > Feb 1 22:41:38 localhost chat[13819]: expect (CONNECT) > Feb 1 22:41:38 localhost chat[13819]: ^M > Feb 1 22:41:38 localhost chat[13819]: ^M > Feb 1 22:41:38 localhost chat[13819]: CONNECT > Feb 1 22:41:38 localhost chat[13819]: -- got it > Feb 1 22:41:38 localhost chat[13819]: send (\d) > Feb 1 22:41:39 localhost pppd[13689]: Serial connection established. > Feb 1 22:41:39 localhost pppd[13689]: Using interface ppp0 > Feb 1 22:41:39 localhost pppd[13689]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0 > Feb 1 22:41:44 localhost pppd[13689]: PAP authentication succeeded > Feb 1 22:41:44 localhost pppd[13689]: local IP address 220.224.7.46 > Feb 1 22:41:44 localhost pppd[13689]: remote IP address 97.232.2.9 > Feb 1 22:41:45 localhost pppd[13689]: Received bad configure-nak/rej: 12 06 00 00 00 01 > Feb 1 22:44:51 localhost pppd[13689]: Terminating on signal 15. > Feb 1 22:44:57 localhost pppd[13689]: Connection terminated. > Feb 1 22:44:57 localhost pppd[13689]: Connect time 3.2 minutes. > Feb 1 22:44:57 localhost pppd[13689]: Sent 9668 bytes, received 7076 bytes. > Feb 1 22:44:58 localhost pppd[13689]: Connect time 3.2 minutes. > Feb 1 22:44:58 localhost pppd[13689]: Sent 9668 bytes, received 7076 bytes. > Feb 1 22:44:58 localhost pppd[13689]: Exit > <ends here> > > Anandraj Soni.From nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org Wed Feb 02 09:05:41 2005 > Received: from nagarjun by cc4.tifr.res.in with local (Exim 4.34) > id 1CwBIr-0007X5-Cw > for linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:05:41 +0530 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:05:41 +0530 > From: "Nagarjuna G." <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL ADSL > Message-ID: <20050202033541.GD27436(a)gnowledge.org> > References: <5f3d3617f4.617f45f3d3(a)vsnl.net> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charsetus-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > In-Reply-To: <5f3d3617f4.617f45f3d3(a)vsnl.net> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i > X-BeenThere: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > List-Id: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India <linuxers.mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers>, > <mailto:linuxers-request@mm.ilug-bom.org.in?subjectunsubscribe> > List-Archive: </pipermail> > List-Post: <mailto:linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > List-Help: <mailto:linuxers-request@mm.ilug-bom.org.in?subjecthelp> > List-Subscribe: <http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers>, > <mailto:linuxers-request@mm.ilug-bom.org.in?subjectsubscribe> > > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 07:21:26PM +0500, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > On Tuesday 01 February 2005 18:18, Vickram Crishna wrote: > > > At 4:34 PM +0530 2/1/05, SeekingGyan wrote: > > > >MTNL is testing their broadband services across bombay. I have > > > > applied for it but they said it will take atleast 45 days to get > > > > a connection as they are still testing in other areas of the > > > > city. ... ( me based at borivli ) > > > > > > > > > > I have noticed that telco engineers are often completely clueless > > > about personal computing. My direct experience is Reliance, Tata > > > Indicom and MTNL. None knew that there were alternatives to > > > Windows, and that many users of such existed in Mumbai city at > > > least. It took a while for Reliance to create a download for a > > > GNU/Linux compatible dialer for their CDMA fixed wireless service. > > > > wvdial and kppp works fine on the reliance network even before they officially announced the service (personally tested ). What were they trying to "create" > > > > > I don't know if it also works on the Tata service. I do know that > > > asking MTNL for help can be a very frustrating experience. > > > > wvdial and kppp works on Tataindicom (personally tested). > > It also works on orange, airtel, and bpl gprs and gsmdata (personally tested. > > > > > > > > So next time (and there will be a next time) someone asks for help > > > do look for ways of providing it instead of finding reasons why it > > > should not be given. If you can't think of a way please don't > > > discourage others from trying - by all means let us know of the > > > pitfalls though. That's what an open forum is for. > > > > not unless the person has made an attempt to resolve his problems thru readily available means FIRST. GNU/Linux is all about self help. If you do not do that you are leaving the door wide open to the problem you are trying to escape - dependence. > > > > I think it is part of our community's obligation to write and get > these things written down in their advertisements. Could Terrence > take this responsibility, and if you need help, I can ask Anurag to > take some burden and meet the officers personally. along with M$ > GNU/Linux should also be listed as supported. And their docuementation > should also include howtos for these systems. Tell them we will help > them to get the relevant info. > > Nagarjuna > > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > >

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My Apologies
by Linuxers Admin 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

Dear List members, Please accept my apologies for recent mails on the list that were way beyond acceptable size limits and list guidelines. I do not completely understand how these posts made it through the approval process. Thanks. -- List Admin

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Linuxers February 2005