December 2006 - Linuxers

Sharing printers in Linux.[INFO]
by Rony 20 Dec '06

20 Dec '06

Hello All, I was surfing the web for information on printer sharing and came across this gem below. All those who are new to printing in linux *must* read this page. It even gives tips to set up printers in command line. Another trick is that you can use the web based setup like going to address 'localhost:631' in command line too using the Lynx command line browser. Simply type 'lynx localhost:631' at the command prompt. Even those who have only one computer should definitely try these modes of setup. Its fun and a good learning experience. If you don't have lynx, simply download it using apt or yum according to your system. http://www.cups.org/doc-1.1/sam.html#4_2_1 Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] What is stoping Indians from contributing to FOSS ?
by Debarshi Ray 20 Dec '06

20 Dec '06

>> Could you tell me how many PCs you installed with Ubuntu 6.06 can play >> VCDs with proper sound? Mine does not even after installing codecs and > Mplayer works for me. You might need the binary codec packages from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html to play some of the proprietary formats. Regards, Debarshi -- Universities are places of knowledge. The freshman each bring a little in with them, and the seniors take none away, so knowledge accumulates.

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[OT] M$ Vista one of the best products of the year?
by Dinesh Joshi 20 Dec '06

20 Dec '06

Are these guys retarded or something?? :O http://www.crn.com/sections/slideshows/productyear/10.jhtml?articleID=19660… Man...M$ must've paid HUGE to get them to publish that! LMAO! :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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by Niklas Palmqvist 20 Dec '06

20 Dec '06

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Samba - MS Vista interoperability
by Arun K. Khan 20 Dec '06

20 Dec '06

For those who have to support Samba - MS Vista interoperability, the solution in following article may be useful. http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4434907782.html -- akk

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What is stoping Indians from contributing to FOSS ?
by പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen 20 Dec '06

20 Dec '06

Hi, Is it a cultural issue? Do we need someone to tell us what to do? What are other reasons for not many Indians in the global FOSS scenery? Or are we shy to talk about what we are doing? See Suparna's example, most of us didn't know we had such an important contributor from India who could take Alan Cox's place at FOSS.IN and Alan Cox recognizing that we made the right choice? We have started this debate at the FOSS.IN panel discussion on Day 2 and BoF the next day. http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Challenges This is the page you need to add your comments. Also there is some discussion going on in ilug-goa now, and you can see the thread here http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa/message/14878 Some comments from Sameer Kelekar, http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa/message/14880 1) I think the big IT boom in India gives people jobs easily; and when you do a cosy job, you lose half of the motivation. It is a case of innovation being killed due to complacency. 2) As a society, there is a lot of pressure on people to be successful immediately; and success here means making money. This means that if one were to tread the road not taken, one has to withstand the pressure from friends, family, relatives blah blah blah. What adds to this is the lack of knowledge about FOSS and such things among the common folks (read one's parents, relatives etc). 3) The whole atmosphere around is counterproductive to innovation and risk taking. Those who fail are not looked upon well by the Indian society. What matters to the society in India is success; the means does not matter. 3) We also are not trained to think in a creative manner. Succumbing to authority comes more natural to Indians rather than being free and think freely. Of course there are exceptions, but in general as a rule. We have a list of the Indian Contributers (just starting to collect all names) here http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Contributors So if you have contributed please add your name to the list and may be you could explain the motivations that brought to FOSS and the challenges you had to face ... in your page. Also if you know a person who has contributed please add their name as well. Regards Praveen -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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Moderation of Commercial threads (inspired by: Linux expert with a monitoring background required)
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

Hi, Can we make it a practice|rule to NOT respond to threads that are marked Commercial, especially potentially inflammatory responses? We could have some kind of automated filter or something that blocks off replies to commercial threads. We could follow two simple rules: 1) Moderate Commercial tagged emails so that there is no spam coming in 2) Disallow replies to commercial threads. Any inquiries can be made off-list. Probably a bit more work for the mods but most off-the-line threads seem to spawn themselves from Commercial threads of late. Regards, -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk http://siddhesh.phpnet.us

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as low as it gets: P2-350, 64 MB, 4 GB
by Abhishek Daga 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

Finally managed to get my hands on some P2 350s with 64 MB and 4 GB. CDROM thrown in too. (atleast in one of them). it has 98 for now, but planning to use a stripped down version of ubuntu. if there was ever such a thing. My basic (and probably only requirements are) 1) Wine 2) The two browsers. FF and IE. 3) a teeny .exe application that will be run over wine just like IE. Am pretty sure the above config should meet those needs, but is there any further stripping i need to do while installing the standard ubuntu 6.06 dapper drake to make it more lightweight? thanks abhi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Google Earth problem.
by Sachin Nambiar 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

Hello, I have recently moved to GNU/Linux, I recently installed Google Earth and iam unable to change the display to show up completely to my desktop resolution (1280x1024). It just shows up half way. Any ideas? Everything else working perfectly or i just do not know if anything is malfunctioning. Background: Newbie yet not so newbie user. Been exposed to linux since rh 5.3 but limited to just basic functionality and have moved to linux completely only now. If there is any more information you would like to have please let me know, onboard i810 intel 865 chipset, 2.4 GHz, 256 mb ram, swap around 700mb. Thank you in advance. Sachin G. Nambiar snambiar.com IPH email:bomlug@snambiar.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] What is stoping Indians from contributing to FOSS ?
by Kartik Mistry 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

Dear all, I think this thread is stopping us from contributing to FOSS. Why don't we not shut up and contribute? EOF! -- Regards, ---------------------------------------------------------- Kartik Mistry | kartikmistry.org 0xD1028C8D | kartikm.wordpress.com -----------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
by Vihan Pandey 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

> If you fit the requirements and are interested, then send me your > profile preferably in plaintext (but .doc and .odt are welcome as well). i find it HIGHLY OFFENSIVE that you are encouraging the use of a .doc file format in a GNU/Linux mailing list. Even if your mail is tagged as commercial. Regards, - vihan

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Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
by Vihan Pandey 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

> No they won't. I've done this in the past, and I've received resumes in > .doc format, and I've written back telling the candidate that their > application wasn't considered because I couldn't read their resume. Did any of the candidates bother asking why? Even one? Regards, - vihan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
by Vihan Pandey 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

> > >If you fit the requirements and are interested, then send me your > > >profile preferably in plaintext (but .doc and .odt are welcome as > well). > > > > > > i find it HIGHLY OFFENSIVE that you are encouraging the use of a .doc > file > > format in a GNU/Linux mailing list. Even if your mail is tagged as > > commercial. > > > Some people don't have the luxury of being able to enforce that their > resume will always be sent using open formats. The kind of people whose > resumes will be sent in through recruitment agencies. > > Live with it. You don't have to like it, it just happens to be a fact of > life. If we sit and ``Live with it" nothing will ever change. If we want a better society, we HAVE to make it very clear what is NOT the way to go. Call me a naive idealist if you want, but if i see something that i don't agree with i'll make it a point to say it. It may be a ``fact of life" now, but if we don't do anything to change it, it will remain so. Not opposing something that is evil is not the same as supporting evil, but it indirectly contributes to evil persisting. Take a simple case, You have company and advertize for jobs, you INSIST on ODT or any open standard for accepting resumes. Then come what may people(including placement agencies) WILL use that format to send a resume to you. Who know's in the process they ``might" just have a moment of clarity in which they'll realize that there's more that just what's followed. And that is the 1st step. Regards, - vihan

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How to recover Grub in live Ubuntu [INFO]
by Rony 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

Hello All, This is an important link for all Ubuntu users who need to re-install GRUB back to their mbr. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] What is stoping Indians from contributing to FOSS?
by Rajesh Rajani 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

Hi, > On Monday 18 December 2006 10:48, Vihan Pandey wrote: > >>>Speaking of which my latest Sony DVD writer has a region setting >>>which can be reprogrammed 5 times. After which it will stay stuck >>>on the 5th. Now u have the possibilty of bricking your hardware >>>(particularly with closed drivers) or purchasing your content >>>from the last region. >> >>Is it a hardware level lock? This REALLY stinks. > > > Not sure. U can reflash the cdrom bios, but dont know if it will reset > the region counter. > Just to inform you that in the US and possibly other countries, all DVD writers/roms sold require to have this lock. It is mandated by the RIAA/MPAA and by extension US law so that you cannot freely change regions to play DVDs released in other regions. The fact that you can change it 5 times is a privilege extracted from these agencies by the manufacturers of the devices. That Sony has it is not unique and it just says that they are selling the international model here in India. If other brands don't have this lock then they are probably chinese/taiwanese players who may not be fully complying with the law (if it applies in India). Regards, Rajesh

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] as low as it gets: P2-350, 64 MB, 4 GB
by Vickram Crishna 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

--- "Dinesh Shah" wrote: > On 12/18/06, Abhishek Daga <abhishekdaga at yahoo > dot com> wrote: > > Finally managed to get my hands on some P2 350s > with 64 MB and 4 GB. > > CDROM thrown in too. (atleast in one of them). > > it has 98 for now, but planning to use a stripped > down version of > > ubuntu. > > if there was ever such a thing. > > Try Damn Small Linux > (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/) it supports HDD > Install and very light. > > DSL is Debian based and after installation you can > use apt to install > whatever you want. > > According to DSL site, all you need is 486 with 16 > MB of RAM! If I download this to my HDD, and install it to replace my current RH9, which has some irritating issues with memory handling (aside from issues recognising peripheral hardware, plus the CDROM drive is kaput), will I lose my RH9 user settings? If this is a completely trivial question, please do mail me back offlist, anyone who can guide me ensure that neither settings nor stuff like mailboxes get lost (this is the computer my wife uses, and my life will be at stake). Many thanks Vickram ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] as low as it gets: P2-350, 64 MB, 4 GB
by Chirag 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

You can even try http://www.xubuntu.org/get#requirements which is stripped down version of Ubuntu I have not tried it but only giving you other options Bye for now Chirag Subscribe to bermudaEmail: [input] [input] Browse Archives at groups.google.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] What is stoping Indians from contributing to FOSS ?
by Vihan Pandey 18 Dec '06

18 Dec '06

> Speaking of which my latest Sony DVD writer has a region setting which > can be reprogrammed 5 times. After which it will stay stuck on the > 5th. Now u have the possibilty of bricking your hardware > (particularly with closed drivers) or purchasing your content from > the last region. Is it a hardware level lock? This REALLY stinks. i had faced a similar problem with an Apple iBook G3 but fortunately the lock was only at the software level. Using another ``software" sorted it out ;-) i had heard about a hardware level hack for DVD players, i.e your standard DVD player is set to a default region(normally the one in which the DVD was manufactured), apparently the guys to supplied the player told us about this AND about the hack(which was essentially doing some soldering on the DVD logic board), and boom i had a region free DVD player. i don't know if we will be so lucky with Blue Ray DVD's, but luckly the alternative HD DVD is a little less restrictive. Regards, - vihan

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Simpler explanations?
by Roshan 18 Dec '06

18 Dec '06

College was shut today, for unknown reasons, so I returned home and was reading my emails. Came across this blog http://www.leadstep.com/BusinessBlog/technology/the_truth_behind_indian_bro… Could someone have simpler explanations to what is mentioned in this article? -- http://sankoobaba.blogspot.com __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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List welcome mail..
by Dhawal Doshy 18 Dec '06

18 Dec '06

Hello List, The welcome mail citing posting guidelines is horribly formatted at 80 characters. Can the list maintainer please have a look at it. - dhawal PS: 'Sandesh Rao' are you still around? The welcome mail lists you as one of the contributers.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] problem with pyQt
by Chirag Wazir 18 Dec '06

18 Dec '06

Pradnyesh Sawant wrote: > why would one not use an IDE (especially one where one can drag-drop > widgets onto a form) to create a gui? is it not more intuitive? > is code generation not less cumbersome this way? especially > with layouts; coz i just saw that qt4-designer does a very good job > of laying out stuff, and that manually it would be very hard to place > stuff at proper positions, and then configuring each petty detail of > each widget Actually it's just my personal preference. There's no harm in using the designer, but some advantages of manual coding are - (a) You have absolute control over code, (b) Well written code is self documenting, so you have a list of exactly what changes you have made to default properties of each widget and (c) This may not be important in many situations, but your own code tends to be smaller and neater than the generated code. I sometimes use the designer to do an initial layout and then copy and paste modified bits into my final code. This is especially helpful when you're still learning the relevant calls for various properties of widgets. Of course, doing it manually negates the advantage of having a separate and easily modifiable file for the GUI components, but I personally find the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. BTW, there isn't a problem with "manually it would be very hard to place stuff at proper positions" because Qt uses layouts like Java unlike say Visual Basic. So usually one doesn't position things using coordinates, just specifies the hierarchy. For example you're telling it that there is a dialog containing a frame containing a horizontal layout containing 3 buttons and an image. Actually compared to drawing out a dialog box in VB, using the Qt designer is a little more complicated because of this. But the initial complexity pays some nice dividends for both the end-user and the programmer: automatic widget positioning and layout allows easy resolution-independence, simple resizable windows and ultimately convenient portability. P.S. I'm wondering if this thread isn't getting a bit too far off topic for the list. BTW, comp.lang.python is a very useful resource for this sort of stuff. If you're not a regular usenet user try: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python?hl=en Chirag Wazir http://chirag.freeshell.org

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Saving multiple values returned by cut command into different variables
by Pascal Nunes 17 Dec '06

17 Dec '06

hi, I am writing a shell script where I retrive values from a text file using cut. I want to save these into variables. The script is something like this... grep searchtext file | cut -f 1,3,7,8 I want to save the values returned by cut into 4 different variables. Can anyone suggest a method to save these values into multiple variables? Is there any better method to do this? - pascal. -- Any tool is only as good as it is used. .:[ http://pascal_nunes.blogspot.com ]:.

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[Commercial] Linux openings at Delhi
by Openlx Linux 17 Dec '06

17 Dec '06

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] problem with pyQt
by Chirag Wazir 17 Dec '06

17 Dec '06

Pradnyesh Sawant wrote: > 1. i have some d'loaded python scripts (eg: memaid-pyqt), which use > "import qt". what'll happen to those scripts? how much rework (if any) > is necessary to get them into working condition again? In my experience it requires quite a bit of work - I found it easier to rewrite one of my own programs from scratch rather than modify it (the logic could be copy/pasted, but the GUI I rewrote). The changes are definitely for the better, but if you're not the original author of the code you can expect it to be quite painful to modify it to use the new version. Some of it is fairly mechanical - searching for the new location of various functions and changing calls from QPushButton() to QtGui.QPushButton() etc. Other changes are more subtle, like changes in behaviour and deprecation of some widgets. > 2. can you kindly provide me with some good pyqt (using qt4 designer) > tutorials? the net provides qt4 tuts but not with designer :( I don't really use the designer myself so I haven't looked, I find it is easier to maintain code I write from scratch rather than worrying about exactly how the designer & pyuic decide to do things. As Pradeepto Bhattacharya pointed out, the Qt4 documentation and examples are helpful - assuming you're conversant with C++. There are also some useful examples of PyQt4 code at: http://indico.cern.ch/contributionDisplay.py?contribId=33&confId=44 You might also look at: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/PyQt4 Chirag Wazir http://chirag.freeshell.org

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] problem with pyQt
by Chirag Wazir 17 Dec '06

17 Dec '06

Hi Pradnyesh, Pradnyesh Sawant wrote: > i'm new to pyQt and am having trouble getting it to work. i have > python2.4, qt4 and sip4 installed .... > i get the following error:- >>>> import qt > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in ? > ImportError: No module named qt PyQt 4 has a different module organization compared to previous versions. You no longer use "import qt" The library has been split functionally and you typically use something like "from PyQt4 import QtCore, QtGui" There are many other differences from previous versions and when I switched directly from 2.13 to 4.0 I got quite a shock - all older programs need significant work to be fixed. Since you're starting from scratch, make sure that you use documentation or books that are up-to-date and refer to Qt 4.x, otherwise you're going to get very confused. Chirag Wazir http://chirag.freeshell.org

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