Linuxers July 2009

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setup gnukhata in ubuntu jaunty
by ashwani mahajan 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

hi , i am not able to install gnukhata in ubuntu 9 kindly help regards Ashwani Looking for local information? Find it on Yahoo! Local http://in.local.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Can Red Hat Enterprise products fall under FOSS?
by Pravin Dhayfule 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

Relax Folks, I never thought that my simple questions would lead to such a huge debate. My questions were very simple. And I got the answer too through these discussions. So I have come to this point (please correct me if am wrong or misinterpreted) 1. Just like Microsoft, Red Hat has a per machine License system (thats what its EULA specifies I suppose). This has nothing to do with trade mark, copyright etc etc. but Violation of EULA 2. Copying RH from the original CD (or using the same CD) and installing it on another Machine for which the License payment has not be done is similar to installing Windows from original or (copied CD) on to other unlicensed systems. This is refered to as Piracy I suppose. 3. On the machines without License, users cant get access to Microsoft Updates (including security, service packs, Internet Explorer, Media Player, etc.) as the MS website checks for Genuineness of the installed Windows. So if a user wants those premium facilities, then he/she will have to obviously pay for that in form of License thats what is referred to as Subscriptions in terms of Red Hat where the User needs to pay for support and upgrades. 4. Microsoft I have heard visits its clients (corporates) to audit whether they have installed their products on systems exceding than those permitted in the EULA, if found then the clients are Fined. There is a similar clause in Red Hat EULA (discussed in earlier threads). So from a Regular (Desktop) End User perspective I can understand that Microsoft:Windows and Red Hat:Linux Although we dont have an option of FREE Windows, we though have option for FREE Linux alternatives like Debian, CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu, Open Suse, etc. So I think thats what answers the question. (For non Geeks) Bye Regards ------------ Pravin Balaji Dhayfule

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Fwd: [ilugd] National policy on e-governance: An official position from ILUG-D?
by Dinesh Shah (દિનેશ શાહ/दिनेश शाह) 12 Jul '09

12 Jul '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gora Mohanty Date: Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [ilugd] National policy on e-governance: An official position from ILUG-D? To: ILUGD main list <ilugd(a)lists.linux-delhi.org> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:21:38 +0530 Gora Mohanty <gora(a)sarai.net> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have drafted a letter that I propose be sent to various > government officials, and industry organisations as an > official ILUG-Delhi response to the draft of the national > policy on e-governance. [...] Thanks for all the comments, and the Wiki page edits. The deadline is till the 15th of July, but the sooner we get it in the more likely it is to be read. So, can I ask for everyone to finish editing/commenting by midnight today, July 9th, so that it can be signed and go out on the 10th. http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/EgovIndia Regards, Gora With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 Blog: http://dineshah.wordpress.com/ Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dineshah/

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cant open certain in ubuntu 9.04
by ashwani mahajan 12 Jul '09

12 Jul '09

hi, i have recently installed ubuntu 9.04 , i cant open certainn websites like trade.hdfcsec, microsoft.com , i even installed xp via virtualbox but still cant open these sites ,i think some problems with network connection. my ip6 is enabled,kindly helpAshwani Yahoo! recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/internetexplorer/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Communication Skills and Software Development
by Prashant Verma 12 Jul '09

12 Jul '09

At 08:02 AM 7/12/2009, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: >What is funny is that we Indians are not the only ones with English as >a non-native language. But we seem to be the only ones to cite that as >*the* reason for any failure. The issue is not language, it is >attitude. One thing that we should remember is that not everyone has had the advantages (of education in certain types of colleges or schools), that we have had. So, in order to really appreciate the problem, we need to look beyond the familiar. I occasionally come in touch with people from rural background who are good programmers, but not so good at communication. And they have a performance problem because of that. About the rest of your email.. you seem to agree with me, but have taken several hundred words to do so :P Anyway, I feel that even in a Mentor-Mentee setup there are certain ingredients to success. The Mentor should have access to online tutorials, articles etc. which are geared to explaining the need for good communication and the steps for improving at that. Just creating a Mentor-Mentee setup will not solve the problem. I am hunting for such tutorials, or will write one if needed.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Communication Skills and Software Development
by Prashant Verma 12 Jul '09

12 Jul '09

At 10:46 AM 7/11/2009, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: >On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Mani A<a.mani.cms(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I do not think the strategy is sufficiently perfect. Such people > > should be made to write complete developer-level documentation under a > > mentor preferably as well (in the FOSS project). Language skills > > cannot be handled properly in a FOSS development environment without > > special mentoring. > > >... >And as for language skills -- if you're talking about the mere ability >to speak in English or write perfect grammar then no, FOSS is not the >place to learn that. In fact I haven't seen to many grammar pedants in >the FOSS programming scenario -- you have to be if you're contributing >to documentation though :) ... Siddhesh, please see the original post. The objective of improving communication skills is so that one can understand and convey specs etc. If a person is skilled enough that he can convey ideas in imperfect english mixed with mumbaiya lingo ('kya baap, khali pili pointer ko null pe set karta hai. Runtime pe lafda ho jayenga.'), that is fine, as long as the person on the receiving end understands it. If you're working in a team, the team members must understand this too :P Of course, once we are past that stage, we'll understand that the best way to communicate is the most concise and precise way, so that most of the people reading it get the message. And that's where grammar comes in. The big point is that lack of communication skills is one of the big obstacles because of which deserving people do not achieve their potential. People must have enough communication skills to be effective in their work. Mentoring, as Mani points out could be an effective way of improving communication skills, but responsibility also lies with the mentee. I'm reminded of this old joke: Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Just one, but the bulb has to want to change.

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[OT]Communication Skills and Software Development
by Prashant Verma 12 Jul '09

12 Jul '09

Why are communication skills important in Software Development? Comprehension and verbal skills are required to read and understand, as well as convey: a. Requirements b. Specifications c. Books, articles and manuals d. Bug reports e. Project Plans f. Achievements g. Difficulties and obstacles coming in way of goals h. and more... More importantly, good communication skills help a developer prioritize tasks better. A good communicator can better grasp the urgency/importance of a particular situation or feature. And of course, innumerable other reasons. Now, one thing I have noticed is that there are many software developers, those with excellent academic records, who could be brilliant programmers or testers, if only their communication skills were better. Often such 'latent' good programmers find their way into organizations of all shapes and sizes. Sadly, more often than not, such professionals are unable to achieve their potential because of their Achilles' Heel: Communication. Often we hear reports of speeches by industry leaders or top managers who have said that graduates from <insert country or state or university> are unemployable. My belief is that the students have the fundamental material built in, but are only hampered by lack of good communication skills. Responsible organizations will want such people to achieve their potential. What are the options open to such organizations? Classroom Training? Online Training? I will appreciate if other people who have thought about this issue could contribute their opinion. If anyone has links to online articles which address this issue or online training programs, that would be very helpful.

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F 11 launch party
by dilip khanolkar 11 Jul '09

11 Jul '09

We are trying to arrange a fedora 11 launch party. Need some topics & speakers & a place to hold it can anyone help out in this. Regards, Dilip Khanolkar, +919769107738

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[Announce] Talks on FOSS - Friday, July 10th, 2009 @ 2.30 pm
by Prabhu Ramachandran 10 Jul '09

10 Jul '09

Hello, This is to announce the following talks that will be webcast from CDEEP at IIT Bombay, as part of the National mission on education through ICT. More information is available at: http://www.cdeep.iitb.ac.in/events.html. At the time of the event, a live webcast will be available at http://www.cdeep.iitb.ac.in/webcast/. The participants at all EDUSAT remote centres will have two way audio/video connectivity as well. You are welcome to attend in person or view this online. Regards, Prabhu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Friday, July 10th, 2009 Time: 2.30 pm Venue: 3rd floor seminar hall, Kanwal Rekhi Building Duration: Each talk will last for about 40 minutes Talk 1: 10 things a FOSS developer should know Abstract: FOSS development is easy. A simple set of rules and protocols would get anyone started on FOSS development. In this talk, the 10 essential things are discussed in a form that is easy to remember and, easy to tell others. Mostly interactive and example-driven, the talk builds on the fundamental principles of Software Development and provides relevance within the FOSS model of doing things. Speaker: Ramakrishna Reddy is a Sr Software Engineer at Red Hat. A self-confessed Python fan, Ramakrishna is currently involved in authoring a book teaching non-programmers the fundamentals of computing. He is a regular on various Python forums along side NLP related forums. Ramakrishna maintains various eclectic packages in Fedora and, is also active in the Debian community. Talk 2: How to use infrastructure for FOSS Projects Abstract: Infrastructure is an important part of a FOSS project's lifecycle. In this talk, Prasad talks about how to set up a development environment for a developer and, how best to set up a development/project infrastructure. Touching upon the essential infrastructure aspects, Prasad takes an example of his own project to demonstrate how important infrastructure is for projects. Speaker: Prasad J Pandit is a Software Engineer at Red Hat. A developer who professes a love for Perl and C, Prasad maintains packages in Fedora. He also provides guidance to new participants in FOSS development showing them how to get their feet wet. Talk 3: Communication in a FOSS Project Abstact: Any project is based on communication. Clear, precise and accurate information at the right time helps to build communities around projects. Rahul delves into his experience as a Fedora Community Wrangler to talk about the ways and means to maintain a dialogue with an evolving community as well as how best to build up communication skills. Speaker: Rahul Sundaram has been working within the Fedora community for close to 5 years now. He works as a Software Engineer at Red Hat and, provides inputs and guidance in various aspects of The Fedora Project ensuring that concept of collaboration is well established. He also writes in various publications and online journals. His profile is available at<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram>

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Can Red Hat Enterprise products fall under FOSS?
by Pravin Dhayfule 09 Jul '09

09 Jul '09

========================================================= Re: Can Red Hat Enterprise products fall under FOSS? (Atanu Datta) > Re: Can Red Hat Enterprise products fall under FOSS? > (Sukhdev Jadhav) > Re: Can Red Hat Enterprise products fall under FOSS? (jtd) > Re: Can Red Hat Enterprise products fall under FOSS? (Raj Mathur) > Re: Can Red Hat Enterprise products fall under FOSS? > (narendra sisodiya) =========================================================== Hi Folks, Thanks for the reply and the explanations. They all were well explainative and logical :) But my friends, I do agree about what CentOS does, distribute by removing trademarks etc etc. I agree. But folks, these all apply to them who want to entirely distribute a new Flavor by reusing Red Hat code. My question lies related to End Users. Just for the example what my friend did. Obtained the Red Had Linux CD from institute as a COPY of Original CD, just like how Windows, Linux Mint, Ubuntu and other OS CDs are replicated and distributed. Now on Ubuntu's cover for example, they permit Users the exclusive freedom to replicate and distribute the CDs, although for Windows its Restricted, and I guess this would be even restricted by Red Hat since every CD may be charged per System. So my questions is will this END USER style of distribution and sharing lead to Piracy? Trademark Removal etc are all Programmer Level steps. I am talking from a perspective of Sharing the OS with a neighbor to install on his/her system as it is received..... Will it be piracy? Bye Regards

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